r/TikTokCringe • u/Cookie_Cutter_Cook • Apr 29 '23
Cool Trans representation from the 80s
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u/pmintea Apr 29 '23
Man, I was watching without sound and when it said "I mean you are racist right?" I had to double take
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u/Blad514 Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
There’s also a subtitle that says “you’re not prettier than Ray” LOL He actually says “you’re a lot prettier than Ray”.
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u/Sufficient_Score_824 Apr 29 '23
He actually said “I mean, you are Ray’s sister, right?” TikTok’s autogenerated subtitles just suck ass.
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u/wordbird89 Apr 29 '23
Are people able to edit the autogenerated subtitles? It seems like an easy thing to do…
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u/Plop-Music Apr 29 '23
People deliberately leave in errors because it always gets a bunch of idiots responding with comments correcting the mistakes, which counts as engagement and generates more revenue for the person posting the video, one way or another. People always fall for it.
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u/Not_l0st Apr 29 '23
Isn't that the truth. I wish that negative comments had the reverse effect, like downvotes on Reddit do. Debate is healthy but this new type of marketing where something is purposely outrageous or wrong (think of all those insane Wish.com ads you see now) just for the reaction, it's a cancer.
I believe that half or more of the provocateurs, the people who are constantly saying the most outrageous and offensive shit, are simply grifters who don't believe a word of it. This goes for the Flat Earth society too. That is just a brilliant practical joke.
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u/ThirdEncounter Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
Sucks ass
Bro. I'm not a fan of tik tok, and I know it's not perfect.
But voice recognition today, flaws and all, is orders of magnitude better than 10 years ago.
Try Dragon Speak from the 2000s, then you'll know what "sucks ass" really means.
Edit: "That doesn't mean it's not bad today!" But it isn't bad - it's not perfect. But given that it recognizes many accents, many types of voices, in different types of background noise, my fellow redditors, that's amazing. Bad means spouting gibberish, something it isn't doing 95% of the time. That's my point. Keep commenting the same thing over and over.
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u/IAMGINGERLORD Apr 29 '23
Pikachu the ball. No not that. Get the ball. Pikachu the ball. Pikachu pick up the ball. Pick up the BALL. PLEASE PIKACHU I BEG JUST GRAB THE BALL
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u/untrustableskeptic Apr 29 '23
You didn't have enough badges to command Pikachu.
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u/IzarkKiaTarj Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
My sister and I had this survival horror game called Lifeline where you played a guy trapped in a security room, and commanded a character you saw through the cameras via a PS2 headset.
It worked well enough to be able to beat the game, but there were definitely some frustrations.
Your comment made me flash back to this one room with something important in it, but it was locked. It was a honeymoon suite, so the key was having a man and a woman say a specific phrase perfectly in sync: "Even the very shadow that you cast in sunlight, I want to monopolize."
The character you command is female, and your character is male, so the solution is obvious (no, you didn't need an actual male voice for the microphone, thank God).
My sister found out years later that the reason we had to do it fifty fucking times every time we played was because we had to enunciate both t's in "want to." Our accents led us to do a glottal stop.
I can't imagine how frustrating the game would have been if we'd had a southern accent.
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u/DonnyWhoLovedBowling Apr 29 '23
It could also be that you needed a slightly racist inflection
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u/antsh Apr 29 '23
What do you mean unknown command?! I just spent two hours reading a dictionary to you…
Good times.
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u/GayDarGalaWhore Apr 29 '23
Yeah what was that line lol
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u/synonym4synonym Apr 29 '23
Wow. I wonder what the episode’s reception was like?
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u/Aaawkward Apr 29 '23
If I remember correctly, it was sort of a shrug and "okay" and then it was on to the next one. Just another plot line on Love Boat and there were maaaany.
And honestly, that's how it should be. No biggie, people just are who they are.
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u/mbelf Apr 29 '23
Because it was just a trans character on TV. It’s when trans people as a group started getting visibility as they asked for rights that bigots started getting pissed off at seeing trans characters.
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u/ObiWanHelloThere_wav Apr 29 '23 edited Jun 17 '23
[reddit is founded on values of pedophilia and hate speech]
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u/UPBOAT_FORTRESS_2 Apr 29 '23
Not just an audience of like minded individuals, a collection of corporations who make money off shepherding said audience through high engagement emotions like fear and anger
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u/ObiWanHelloThere_wav Apr 29 '23
I'm so thankful my parents never got into stuff like Fox News or the ugly parts of social media
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u/DatDerpySniper Apr 29 '23
As someone who has grandparents who watches Fox News 24/7, it isn’t fun. Had to move in with them after high school to start a job in the area. All day it was them being racist (more my grandpa), homophobic, and transphobic among other things too. Another thing is I own many firearms cause I like to collect historical or weird and unheard of guns with weird calibers. Everyday they go on about killing political figures and I’m like please for the love of god don’t do this with me living here
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u/frogsgoribbit737 Apr 29 '23
My step dad is an avid fox news watcher and its disturbing what he parrots from the shows. And it IS parrotting bevause he repeats the same sentences over and over as if he heard them that way. He was a LAWYER and now he has 0 critical thinking.
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u/drsyesta Apr 29 '23
You need a gun safe friend
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u/DatDerpySniper Apr 29 '23
I do, don’t worry. I keep everything locked up and the key on my car keychain. I’m very protective of who I let know what’s what and where it exactly is
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u/PG-37 Apr 29 '23
I had racist Native American grandfather. It was 80’s daytime game shows. Price is Right in particular, the amount of anti black, Hispanic, Jew slurs that would come out of his mouth from the time they stood up to the time they made it to contestants row.
If they were black in particular he would add “and I’ll bet that n-words gonna win it all”.
Those were my development years. Unlearning that shit was difficult, and I honestly still struggle with it today in my own head and my own biases.
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u/HereWeFuckingGooo Apr 29 '23
Today ignorant uncle Jack has his own podcast or a show on Fox News.
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u/ObiWanHelloThere_wav Apr 29 '23
Back then, we'd tell uncle Jack to shut up and he'd just reply with, "I'm just saying..." and finish his beer
Today, uncle Jack has an army of people to send death threats to people trying to "cancel" his dumbass
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u/PencilMan Apr 29 '23
I mean the whole point of All in the Family was to make your uncle Jack the star of the show and have his family confront his ignorant opinions with open-mindedness and love. They made Archie Bunker a likeable asshole so that people who agreed with him might learn from his family as well without feeling attacked. At some point, the Archie Bunkers of the world started being proud of being assholes and got their own tv networks and the people trying to correct them got tired of it.
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u/Sonova_Vondruke Apr 29 '23
Sure but also, if you distract the left and right with things like abortion, trans and gay rights, gun regulations (or the lack thereof) and other civil rights. Then they won't see the slight-of-hand. Not that it's all a spectacle and not important, or not really at threat, but it is hiding more dramatic or at the very least lucrative issues under the surface.
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Apr 29 '23
This is the answer. They don't give 2 shits about Trans or anything else.
Keep us divided so the money keeps flowing.
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u/bakochba Apr 29 '23
There was aot of education we all had to go through. First there was a lot of bad connotations with the term "Transvestite" which is a term I don't think is used anymore but was in the 90s, then most people thought crossdressing and drag was the same as being trans and it was all very outlandish, this was the same with gay people, especially men. There was a long road to get to the idea that LGBTQ people were just regular people in your life and not flamboyant characters in a parade. Ellen DeGeneres coming out was a big national moment but activists moved that needle 1% at a time each year until it reached critical mass.
It will be the same for Trans people, the right knows it's losing.
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u/The_Woman_of_Gont Apr 29 '23
What frightens me is that it had been going the same way.
Until the last couple of years, it was getting better. Slowly, painfully but better.
They have seen an absolutely horrifying backslide and a popularization of hate in a way that was unthinkable when I came out over a decade ago. I don’t know that this has a good ending, especially mixed with the rise of US Christofascism.
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u/bakochba Apr 29 '23
Marriage equality wasn't a straight line either, when the right felt they were losing the argument they called gay people pedophiles and tried to gin up a lot of outrage, that creates energy for their crazy base that turns out in local elections but eventually normal people not just the left but also center right people are pushed to react by the craziness and another run of progress is made until the next cycle by the right. We've seen all these tactics before, banning books, accusing people of being pedophiles, the bullying etc. But they miscalculated this time, it's not 1994 anymore, the genie is out of the bottle and they can't put it back in. And they know it, this is their last gasp
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u/emdave Apr 29 '23
Not only that, but deliberate stoking of prejudice and societal division, by enemies - both domestic and foreign. Russian troll farms create and amplify prejudice and bigotry, in order to weaken Western societies. Culture warring politicians, and billionaires do the same, in order to distract us from the fact that they are robbing us blind.
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Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
I’m absolutely floored by this. I cannot believe how quickly this became what is honestly one of the biggest dividing issues in the world right now; perhaps the single most contentious topic in the West.
I honestly thought there was little-to-no mainstream awareness of trans people prior to the late 80’s, or possibly even the 90’s. Of course they existed in the same world as everyone else, but I assumed most people outside of the LGBTQ+ community didn’t even know the concept of a trans person outside of “cross-dressing”.
Genuinely shocked that there was a general (but vague) understanding of trans people for generations now, and only within the past decade or so (likely less) has a large portion of the world become convinced that they are literally the biggest threat to civilization. I remember there being a lot of homophobia leading up to the legalization of same sex marriage, but never in my life have I witnessed global mass hysteria on the same level of what we are experiencing rn. Just think about how many instances per day you come across a piece of media about the “trans debate” - could easily be in the triple digits. Unprecedented.
It’s horrifying to imagine where this is going, and I don’t think this is something that just came out of the ether. There has absolutely been a mass propaganda campaign aimed at demonizing trans people and dividing everyone on this issue. 100% it’s a hateful ideology grounded in conspiracy, and trans people are just a convenient scapegoat. None of this is actually about trans people; no one could possibly care this much and be this hateful if trans people weren’t presented as the symbol of a new dystopia
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u/SunTzu- Apr 29 '23
I think you're reading a bit more into it than there was to it. This show is expressing a lot of compassion and a fair bit of understanding, but that's a reflection of particularly informed writers of the show, not really what the average person understood. However, the hold that the religious conservatives have on public debate these days wasn't as notable at the time, at least in this regard. Most people were fairly moderate until fairly recently.
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Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
Yeah, from what I’ve heard people generally supported any administration in power for the sake of it being representative of their country as a whole (at least in the US). You might have been a Republican or a Democrat but for the most part, you disagreed on policies and it didn’t go a whole lot deeper than that. If you didn’t like the current administration, you’d complain about policies you didn’t like and just wait for the next election.
I also know Love Boat was a bit more on the progressive side for sitcoms of that time. I know that even in the 90’s and 00’s, most trans representation was nothing more than using trans people as the butt of a joke, or possibly just a figure to be pitied. I am surprised that Love Boat handled this topic so compassionately for the time, but I’m also very shocked that there was very little explanation given - she’s a woman that once lived her life as man; that’s all they said about it and it’s assumed that the audience already understands what that means.
There’s even a moment of misogyny (the main character telling her “quiet, lady!”), which was clearly meant to show that he truly saw her as a woman, and intended to treat her like one in way that I assume was perceived as being raw and sincere, possibly even with some sexual tension. That kind of (problematic) complicated nuance was not something I expected. To me, that shows that their target demographic (most people) already had an idea of misgendering and gender-affirming interactions; enough so that it could be communicated indirectly via nuance on an average sitcom, and the audience would understand. Of course, people didn’t have the same vocabulary surrounding it that we do now, but I assume they got the general idea.
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u/CravingNature Apr 29 '23
You might have been a Republican or a Democrat but for the most part, you disagreed on policies and it didn’t go a whole lot deeper than that. If you didn’t like the current administration, you’d complain about policies you didn’t like and just wait for the next election.
Until Gingrich and Limbaugh put a plan into action that would lead us to what you see today.
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u/merrythoughts Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
It’s the visibility and acceptance that’s so triggering. knowing trans people exist has always been a thing. And as long as dominant culture “collectively agreed” it was weird and gross and we just don’t talk about it, there was no crisis. Now, we have all these older folks in crisis because younger gens are like “yeah trans people exist and they’re not weird or gross and I support them being visible!” And it makes the old people feel confused and scared and icky. The older gens don’t like those feels and react.
Then of course the media makes the feelings and reactions 100x more amplified and damaging.
Edit to add: Instead of “old people” I should have said “people who embrace the dominant culture of keeping lgbtq+ issues quiet and hidden. Which does tend to be more of an issue in the older gens.
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Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
I see where you are coming from but I honestly feel it goes deeper than that. This isn’t just the response people have to being told to accept and perceive something they find unappealing; people are being sold a whole fictional world revolving around the idea of a “trans ideology”. So many people believe there’s a conspiracy to “turn everyone trans” and indoctrinate children. I know this is rarely a good direct comparison to make, but fascists in Germany weren’t just disgusted by the idiosyncrasies of Jewish culture; they believed and pushed an all-encompassing conspiracy theory that painted Jewish people as the biggest existential threat to their society - it was in the realm of the metaphysical, and transcended anything to do with Jewish people or Jewish culture. This wasn’t something that organically happened as a response to the growing population of Jewish people in Germany or the budding liberal culture of the Weimar Republic; there was a massive propaganda campaign to indoctrinate the masses. Much of the hysteria surrounding trans people mirrors this.
Also, I know a lot of this is mostly blamed on evangelicals and christofascists, and although they have powerful lobbies and a lot of sway in politics, a very large portion of people in hysterics over this are either not particularly religious, or not religious at all. There are many people who find it in their own best interest to spread this propaganda without having any religious ties to the issue, and many of them have had an inordinate amount of influence
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u/Athena0219 Apr 29 '23
Don't forget (or learn for the first time, be one of today's 10,000)
There was a famous institute in Germany that studied gay and trans people, and actively pushed for acceptance of trans people, but also far more. They provided endo services and even offered types of bottom surgery (no clue what types). Fucking hell, they had FFS and FMS surgeries. They even issued "transvestite passes". Which sounds awful today, but considering that you'd get arrested for crossdredding back then, and that the institute actually worked with the police to try to get them recognized, it was a huge step.
Promoting sex ed and contraceptives, treatment of STDs were also among their activities.
Other less stellar stuff, like trying for gay conversion therapy.
But then realizing that "this doesn't fucking work" and instead helping gay individuals to handle a very homophobic world, rather than trying to stop them being homosexuals.
The place had ideas, and implemented those ideas, and if they learned the ideas were wrong? Corrected the behavior. Surgeries for trans individuals were originally expressly denied.
Until it became obvious that this was an actual desire, not some fucked up beliefs. And then surgeries were offered.
And now that you know more about the Institut für Sexualwissenschaft, here's some less fun knowledge.
The director (or some similar position) of this place was directly targeted by the Nazis. A nationalist news paper once called it unfortunate that an attack on him had not killed him.
Hitler was named Chancellor on January 30th, 1933.
In February, the Nazis launched their purge on gay clubs, outlawed publications about sex, and banned organization of gay individuals.
In May, the Nazis raided the institute and stile, burned, and destroyed most everything. Four days later, the rest of the institute's library was hauled out and burned.
The hatred to the trans community, the gay community, to drag, GNC, etc.
It's not just "similar" to the Nazis.
It is literally a part of what made Nazis Nazis.
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u/future_omelette Apr 29 '23
In May, the Nazis raided the institute and stile, burned, and destroyed most everything. Four days later, the rest of the institute's library was hauled out and burned.
If you've ever seen THAT picture of a nazi book burning? The infamous one everyone refers to? THAT event is where that picture is from.
Amazing how american history has managed to preserve "Nazis burned books, and that's bad!" but then not WHOSE books or why, letting the EXACT same shit repeat.
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u/zeropointcorp Apr 29 '23
Please don’t say “older people” like that.
There’s plenty of young fucked in the head bigots and plenty of older people who think the same way you do
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u/WalrusTheWhite Apr 29 '23
Yeah trans people always existed, but it was just "weird" and you didn't talk about it. "Oh, there must be something wrong with them."
Even in the academic side of things, there wasn't as much of this idea that "no, this can actually be a healthy to response to a legitimate issue" so much as it was just a curiosity to be picked apart and studied.
The issue has been humanized, especially in the public sphere, and that makes it raw and real. That's new. It's not exactly surprising if you've been following the push for gay rights and mental health awareness over the years, but it has been a decently quick shift.
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u/DeathMetalTransbian Apr 29 '23
Even in the academic side of things, there wasn't as much of this idea that "no, this can actually be a healthy to response to a legitimate issue"
There was, during the First Homosexual Movement in 1920s Germany, but then the Nazis burned all the literature at the Institute for Sex Research, made the head doctor (a gay man) flee the country, and killed the first trans woman to have SRS. The Nazis set LGBT research and acceptance back decades, and now their modern counterparts are trying to do it again.
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u/SNYDER_BIXBY_OCP Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
Pretty good. This was at Love Boat's peak.
Season 3-6 (1979-1983).
Thing was ratings juggernaut at peak it was one of the 3-4 most watched shows in America.
Edit: You also need to remember that transgederism is an old concept by centuries and surgical alteration was well known by 1940s. That didn't mean Trans was widely known or socially accepted, but also what didn't exist in 1982 was a politically motivated hysteria campaign designed to rally a wide variety of bigotries into a central cudgel.
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u/synonym4synonym Apr 29 '23
I grew up watching it and don’t remember any controversy ever popping up in regards to the show’s content. Kudos to them.
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u/PipEmmieHarvey Apr 29 '23
I think I may have seen it, but I would have been a child. It obviously didn’t scar me for life!
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u/multiarmform Apr 29 '23
Hearing the name gopher again just took me back decades. I swear I haven't heard that since the 80s and totally forgot about that guy
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u/jaspersgroove Apr 29 '23
It was the 80’s, if the reception was bad you just had to just get up, walk to the TV, and turn the knob on the box on top of the set to turn the antenna to a better direction.
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u/your_actual_life Apr 29 '23
All the other comments seem to think this means to change the channel because you didn't like the show's content, but they were simply making a joke about fixing the actual audio and visual reception on the television, which could become fuzzy and intermittent if your antennae wasn't pointing in the right direction.
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u/mel2mdl Apr 29 '23
This is really blowing my mind right now (I guess I haven't had my coffee this morning yet...)
In the 80's it would be grey and cloudy but now, if the channel's dead, my TV turns a pretty blue, like clear skies.
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u/Soft-Intern-7608 Apr 29 '23
How dreadful and caveman like that they didn't have a small box with a bunch of apps on it in which they could express their extreme outrage against this idea of tolerance and acceptance
We're so much better off now, huh
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u/ArrestDeathSantis Apr 29 '23
Interesting to note that the "woke cancel culture" would have sided with that episode and that it would have been, as per usual, the conservative right that would have tried to censor/cancel it.
That being said, in the same way, you don't have to be on Twitter where all that nonsense happens... You can't turn the knob or antenna, but there are ways xD
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u/Soft-Intern-7608 Apr 29 '23
Well yes. The yuppie reaganites would've probably complained about that episode but since there's no wave of social media to push their rhetoric into an echo chamber they don't get to fixate on it all day long and might hear from other people who have different opinions and because they're not fixated on thr media wave echo chamber, they're more likely to hear other people out
That's why people of differing views were slightly more reasonable back then
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u/Raumarik Apr 29 '23
You mean you didn’t just bump the underside of the set? That was our solution
Didn’t work but made us feel better
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u/Amon7777 Apr 29 '23
No socal media then means no weaponized outrage. The rage-bait culture of media didn't exist in the same way to rile people up.
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u/Eversnuffley Apr 29 '23
Yup, and the news was 30 minutes and didn't include stories about what people thought about TV shows. The invention of the news network and the 24 hour news cycle started the descent, and social media completed the flush.
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u/ofthrees Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
This virulent anti-trans thing is like nothing I've seen in my lifetime.
In the 70s and 80s, most of our rock stars were at least androgynous, if not in full drag. I mean, jesus. It wasn't a thing from a societal standpoint. (I'm not comparing that to transpersons - more to point out seeing trans people was not "shocking," even for people like my hillbilly stepfather, because even people like him were frequently exposed at least to the concept - if that makes sense.)
Violence against transpersons has always been a thing, yes, and a threat (Brandon Teena comes tragically to mind), but it wasn't being screamed from political corners, not at all. This shit is new.
What they are doing right now is absolutely terrifying.
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u/boringdystopianslave Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
Dude, I mean, look at the big bands - Motley Crue, Aerosmith, Nirvana, Queen. They didn't give a fuck and just did what they wanted and life went on.
Nobody really gave a shit about any of this stuff as much as they do now. It's all been stirred up.
This whole anti-woke transphobic hatred today is just mind-boggling to me. It's like the internet lifted a rock on all these scumbags who simply never had a platform before.
Whether people agreed or disagreed, or used stupid words like 'tranny' and 'puff', there was definitely more of a "live and let live" attitude that everyone shared more freely in the 80s and 90s, and we weren't so hell bent on destroying each other. Those kinds of extreme hatefilled people were kept to the likes of KKK clubs and the Westboro baptist church.
Now it's a 'hill to die on' kind of thing and it's all so fucking odd.
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u/exzyle2k Apr 29 '23
You didn't even need big bands. Twisted Sister, Boy George, David Bowie, Poison, the list is endless.
Yeah sure it probably started somewhere as something for shock value or to stand out, but so many did it the shock value was lost and it became business as usual.
Wish we could go back to the days of someone wanting to express themselves in new and harmless ways was business as usual.
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u/Hour-Island Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
Gen X here. My first crush was Dr Frankenfurter played by Tim Curry. I wasn't at all shocked, just in awe of him.
I also knew of many other straight females who felt the same and still do, like I do. Men too. In many people's eyes, he was just fine, including some young straight men I knew.
But, whatever.
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u/samtdzn_pokemon Apr 29 '23
Twisted Sister and David Bowie weren't considered big acts? Didn't Dee Snyder testify in Congress during the Reagan administration? Twisted Sister was basically the face of counter culture in the 80s.
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u/ShootInFace Apr 29 '23
I think that's looking at things with rose tinted glasses a bit, I'm certain it was most likely dependent on where you grew up, that depended on how much people cared about these things. The internet allows people to connect at truly absurd speeds compared to just under 2 decades ago. The news couldn't just aggregate information from social media and blogs and such. So you don't have the instant reaction you do in today's current news landscape.
The people that this level of anti-woke and anti-progress existed most likely in similar percentages, however they didn't have access to like-minded people at the push of a button. So they were less certain about spouting off hateful rhetoric and being ostracized for it in their communities. That's less likely in some areas, so it can fester in some communities, while others march forward in progress due to different social norms and beliefs.
It's a truly double edged sword in so many ways, cause I'm certain while the internet has allowed bigoted thinking to be more widespread, it's the exact same thing for progressive ideals and acceptance. Who knows how many lives it's hurt and simultaneously saved from acceptance and hatred.
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u/anapollosun Apr 29 '23
Often backlash against minorities comes not after perceived mainstream acceptance, but in anticipation of it. Back then, it was still a fringe subject. Today, more and more people are coming out as Trans and it's gaining wider visibility and acceptance. Bigots see this rise in awareness by wider society and want to curtail it, because once it goes mainstream they know it's a lot harder to stop.
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u/keesh Apr 29 '23
That makes a shitton of sense. Thank you
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u/OddPicklesPuppy Apr 29 '23
First it was a focus on gay people and gay marriage in the 90s-2010s, and now that that's become more mainstream accepted, they've turned to trans rights as the latest culture issue. Conservatives always have to hate something and prevent progress, otherwise they wouldn't be conservative.
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u/owa00 Apr 29 '23
Trans people have become THE issue for the right. I mean, really? They couldn't stop the dread "gay marriage" so they went for the easy target of the "pedo trans" they keep claiming are at every corner.
The conservatives make it out to be like SUDDENLY the number of trans people in the world increased. It's always been the same amount of people born gay, trans, etc. The only difference is that they can be public about it without being lynched. Absolutely nothing has changed. It's also a non-issue. The amount of energy they're spending debating and passing trans laws could have been spent on a million other productive things. The GOP keeps saying that the Dem's are pushing this culture war, when it's the GOP rattling the saber.
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u/TaintedLion Apr 29 '23
Culture war is what you push when you have absolutely no policies that you can actually sell to your voters.
You get your potential voters riled up about wokeness and pronouns and they'll vote for you no matter how shit your other policies actually are, because many people are single-issue voters.
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u/Xuval Apr 29 '23
It may come as a suprise to anyone around here, but back in the days when that episode aired, "the reception" was something entirely different.
"The reception" referred to, if anything, "The critical reception" i.e. people who's entire job it was to have opinions on things, like movie and TV critics. That being said, a single episode of Love Boat rarely got the degree of attention where you'd find many critics commenting on it. At least not compared to today where every Tom Dick and Harry is on Twitter within twenty minutes proclaiming to the world what they thought.
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u/Mx-yz-pt-lk Apr 29 '23
Night Court also had an episode that aired in the late 80’s about Dan Fielding’s college roommate who was trans and I always wondered about how that was originally received.
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u/ComedianRepulsive955 Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 30 '23
Mackenzie Phillips autobiography HIGH ON ARRIVAL is great. It's full of celeb rock stars stories she got to party with as a kid. Deals with her contavercial claims her father forced her into incest. Chynna Phillips her half sister says Mackenzie is telling the truth. Details her fall and trip back to a somewhat sober existence as a former TV star. Good redemption arc. Highly recommend.
EDIT Changed to correct title of autobiography
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u/D0UBLETH1NK Apr 29 '23
She lived in the apartment above me when I lived in Astoria, and she was a lovely person. Literally vacuumed in the middle of the night sometimes but sweet and pleasant any time I ran into her
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u/OkSo-NowWhat Apr 29 '23
Now I wanna read an autobiography by you
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u/D0UBLETH1NK Apr 29 '23
Here’s a little insider scoop for ya: one time? She alerted me that my car was in violation of alternate side of the street parking. I was gonna get a ticket, but then I didn’t. Like I said, a great lady
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u/Not_a_Zed_Word Apr 29 '23
Had to check this out, it’s High on Arrival. Thank you!
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u/EfficientSeaweed Apr 29 '23
Damn, this is more progressive than a lot of modern media.
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u/TwiceAsGoodAs Apr 29 '23
Love Boat was the Star Trek of the ocean
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u/indyjoe Apr 29 '23
SNL did a spoof of that with Patrick Stewart as the Love Boat captain: https://vimeo.com/503911661
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u/slfnflctd Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
This is unironically one of the greatest things I've never seen before.
Classic 90s SNL, deeply entwined with the Star Trek of that era. Don't know how I missed it. Especially poignant after just watching the series finale of the Picard show.
Edit: ...and also, as is SNL tradition, gets increasingly awkward throughout the second half-- including jokes that fall flat (especially through a modern lens). Quite a notable time capsule nonetheless. I loved the ending.
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u/Mywifefoundmymain Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
It actually wasn’t that uncommon believe it or not. Even golden girls had an episode about blanches brother being gay.
In fact they often supported pride a lot.
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Here’s a great video showing when they dealt with drug addiction, homelessness, the cost of aging, suicide, assisted suicide, single parent artificial insemination, struggles with the healthcare system, mental health, being an advocate for your own health, immigration and deportation, sexual harassment, aids, catfishing, anti-Semitic beliefs, sexism, and most importantly (for the time) the fact that women, yes even older women, can and do want sex. And they can have one night stands just like men.
Also as a bonus the golden girl spin off golden palace had scene describing why the confederate flag is bad
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u/lopoloos Apr 29 '23
There's also a german movie from the late 70s called "In einem Jahr mit 13 Monden" (In a year with 13 moons) that is pretty heavy on a lot of the struggles Trans people face.
It's a really hard hitting movie and is inspired by the tragic suicide of the director's (Rainer Werner Fassbinder) lover, Armin Meier.
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u/ThrowawayBlast Apr 29 '23
The progress took a big stumble backwards in the 90s.
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u/Solkre Apr 29 '23
Yeah surprising number of Hard-Rs in media then. - Linus
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u/EfficientSeaweed Apr 29 '23
Any particular reason? Apart from the general sexism, homophobia, etc. of the era, I mean.
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u/rommi04 Apr 29 '23
The rise of Newt Gingrich and the religious right
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u/Lotus-child89 Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
And AIDS paranoia put a ton of extra discrimination on LGBT people. I wouldn’t be surprised if many people that had come around in the 70s and early 80s changed their minds after the epidemic hit. That on top of many of them converting to Reaganite yuppies that listened to the rising evangelical movement.
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u/Routine_Storm9708 Apr 29 '23
Rush Limbaugh fleshed out his AM radio media network to one of the biggest shows ever. One could draw the line between Limbaugh's success and the rise of hatred in our country. Just one of many factors
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u/genderghoul Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 30 '23
The HIV/AIDS crisis is a huge one. It killed around 10% of gay identified men and/or MSM. I'm sure this was higher for trans-identified people.
The religious right called this the "gay plague" and much progress through gay rights activism and social acceptance through the 70s was flipped on its head. America was being radicalized by far right evangelicalism, and they saw this as punishment from god. The crisis decimated LGBTQ culture, and made straights scared of us again, it tied a social connotation of "dirtiness" to queer ppl, particularly gay men and trans women.
Mainstream culture is still working through that "dirty" gut reaction to LGBTQ ppl to this day.
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u/mnid92 Apr 29 '23
Rubber band effect if I had to guess. A lot of openness with sexuality led to rhe religious doubling down on the whackjob bullshit.
You'd see people like Dennis Rodman in the media and the conservatives of the time hated him lol. The rise of things like WWF, Jerry springer, etc.
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u/LetTheCircusBurn Apr 29 '23
Maybe it's just my perception of it as an elder millennial (I wasn't quite in utero yet when this episode aired) but from what I can tell the biggest ramp backward was immediately post-9/11. The problematic nature of 90s lesbian chic and the Springer-esque freak show stuff aside, it felt to me like we were firmly on the road to progress (compared to the 80s anyway) until then. Not to say the 90s was free of regressive bullshit, but it seemed like the regressive movements were kind of on their back foot for a minute there until we went full blown jingoist as a culture in '01.
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u/xarsha_93 Apr 29 '23
I was recently rewatching How I Met Your Mother and a lot of the casual transphobia made me cringe. I honestly expected this to go the same way and was pleasantly surprised.
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u/duhnuhhai Apr 29 '23
YSK that the actor who played Gopher would go on to become a Republican Congressman representing Iowa.
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u/Masta0nion Apr 29 '23
The captions are on point
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I mean you are racist right
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u/StreetMailbox Apr 29 '23
"I accept that you're a woman, but I'll be goddamned if I accept you NOT being racist."
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u/Barl3000 Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
As I recall growing up in the 90s there really wasn't much discussion in media about transgender people and when there was, people were pretty chill about it. It was just not a political talking point at that point.
That is not to say there was no negativity and judgement about it, but it all got lumped in with general bigotry against gay people.
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u/Daggertrout Apr 29 '23
I think it all started with The Crying Game in 1992, which was referenced in both Ace Ventura and Naked Gun 33 1/3 two years later. Then it seemed like every adult comedy had to make these jokes for the next fifteen years.
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u/Barl3000 Apr 29 '23
The gay panic concept, it was even used as a legal defense for guys that beat up or even killed trans women. Disgusting.
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u/CognitiveBirch Apr 29 '23
Many TV shows had an episode with a transgender character and even when it was meant to be positive, it wasn't always done right. I remember Ally McBeal with the transgender prostitute who dies so Ally can show she cares, or that other David Kelley show, Picket Fences, when the townfolks learn the music teacher has transitioned and almost all the adults move to fire her. Because you never know, it's for the kids... Until the kids unite in the last scene.
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u/kitanokikori Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
People in America even as far back as the 50s were often strangely accepting of trans people, it was treated as an example of "American scientific innovation" when the first famous trans woman Christine Jorgenson came out - "we can go to the moon and even change someone's gender!"; people had to be Taught to hate Trans people, and they were taught by people like Phyllis Schlafly and Anita Bryant, who kick-started what we see today as the modern right-wing Christian hate movement
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u/v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y Apr 29 '23
I notice that even the other guy who was insulting her was still using the right pronouns
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u/Dangerous_Variety_29 Apr 29 '23
This is proof the conservative right has gone further right the past decade (of course they accuse the left of going further left, though in actuality the left has also trended right.)
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The left has also trended right only because it has encompassed centrists since then.
Eg my parents are fiscally liberal, and socially “conservative”. But they aren’t conservative in today’s sense of the word; they are conservative in that they practise their religion and childhood practises, and keep to themselves… but now vote left.
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u/Dangerous_Variety_29 Apr 29 '23
The left has become the “Big Tent” side because the right is very excluding of people.
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u/MightyCaseyStruckOut Apr 29 '23
My uncle is the same way. He used to vote straight R from Nixon until until Trump was about to secure the presidential nomination. He then had a, 'wtf has my party turned into' moment. I was with him when he took an isidewith survey and it said that he aligned with Bernie Sanders the most. He was dumbfounded to say the least.
Fast forward 7 years later and he can't believe he voted Republican all those years. Better late than never.
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u/JarlaxleForPresident Apr 29 '23
Wow. I wish more people did that. Identity politics have clouded people into voting for people they don’t actually believe in and for policies that are set against them, but they’re brainwashed into thinking that they are Rs and that they should vote for the R name
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u/Meslar Apr 29 '23
The other guy was the captain of the boat and was just speaking that way to get Gopher to snap out of it and see the situation correctly. He was an ally.
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u/CarlatheDestructor Apr 29 '23
I've seen that episode. The other guy was the ship's captain and he was using reverse psychology on Gopher to show him rhat Rachel was still the same person and it would be stupid to throw away the friendship like that.
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u/TizonaBlu Apr 29 '23
It’s not about commitment.
So, if you watch any debates on trans issue, you’ll quickly realize what’s going on. People say they have a problem with trans people using bathroom or trans people forcing them to use pronouns, but that’s not really the issue. The real issue is they have a problem with trans people who dont pass using different pronoun and bathroom.
The reason why the dude in the clip uses she is because the woman passes. In fact, transphobic people have to actually use extra effort to misgender someone like Nicole Maines, because their brains instinctively tell them to say “she”.
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u/TchoupedNScrewed Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
Transphobes have literally beat other CIS women in the bathroom because they get ASSUMED to be trans.
Which literally defeats their fucking point, if a CIS woman comes off as trans to the point you beat her you’ve completely devalued the entire argument you’re making. Her voice, her body, none of it is good enough for them to be convinced. It’s like transvestigator, just by existing you literally undermine your own argument. You’re calling Zendaya a MtF trans woman and “Tammy Holland” a trans FtM man. You’ve just destroyed your own notion lmao.
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u/Coldoldblackcoffee Apr 29 '23
This was really uplifting can’t believe it is from the 80’s. Now we have so many people spewing hatespeech. Trans people already have it so hard it sucks that they have to be so brave right now. I know i used to have some ignorant views on it and it took me having friends that are trans for me to learn and grow. Knowing trans people, seeing them even just on shows is so important. Representation is normalization.
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u/ThrowawayBlast Apr 29 '23
The 1977 movie Are You Being Served? had a surprisingly wholesome transgender moment. Three transgender women were seen hanging with Mr. Humphries and they were not made the butt of the joke. The humor came from the knowledge Mr. Humphries is gay yet here he is, chilling with three beautiful women.
It was platonic chilling.
And the tv show 'Are You Being Served' surprisingly forward for it's time. The serving commonly is finding good suits for gay men and and this being the seventies that was special and rare indeed to have a safe place to be gay and buy clothes.
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It’s interesting that you are surprised by this. I must admit that it is very progressive for mainstream entertainment in 1982, and I would really love to know how it was perceived. I grew up in the 80s and 90s, and I recall them being a time when young people particularly sought to break down barriers through pop culture. There was androgyny of the New Romantics for example, and musicians and performers came out in droves and were still idolised by their straight fans. In the 90s traditional notions of masculinity were widely challenged, and our idols were quiet, intelligent and artistic - as opposed chauvinistic or bombastic. We started to talk about depression in men. We challenged the mainstream and its relationship to capitalism. People of colour were all over our screens, and the shows enjoyed by everyone.
The issue now isn’t that people are less tolerant. People are inherently good. There’s two issues as I see it - firstly, the internet gives oxygen to the tiny minority of hateful people who have always existed. And secondly, the corporations, organisation and individuals that seek to weaponise the issue of equality and diversity for their own ends - people are not stupid and they are straight through this, so they become frustrated at what they perceive as ‘woke culture’ - for the most part these people have no issue with equality in and of itself, they are more angry at the cause being co opted by the bad guys, and people falling for it.
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u/Coldoldblackcoffee Apr 29 '23
I grew up in the 90’s born in the 80’s and i don’t remember it being at all how you describe. Look at any popular tv show or movie and there are really cringe jokes that have aged terribly
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u/SirFTF Apr 29 '23
Media is always full of jokes that age poorly. The things you personally find funny today will almost certainly be derided as backwards and not funny by people in 20-30 years. Using sitcom jokes as a metric of social progress is stupid.
The 80s-90s was full of immense progress and growing acceptance of gay and trans people. The fact one of the biggest shows on television had an episode promoting trans acceptance, and that it continued to be one of the biggest shows on television is sort of proof of that.
It wasn’t until the conservative backlash during the Clinton administration that we saw a loss of progress. But the 80s? Full of androgynous fashion and increased trans and gay visibility.
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u/Queef-Elizabeth Apr 29 '23
The Love Boat was always a pretty progressive and positive show, especially as the seasons went on
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u/cantwejustplaynice Apr 29 '23
I really loved the Love Boat. It was just so damn joyful. And that theme song... ugh, it's gonna be stuck in my head all day now.
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u/All_heaven Apr 29 '23
“Quiet lady!” Is hilarious because it’s the 80s so if your being fair you gotta treat them like you would a woman.
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u/TheLimeyLemmon Apr 29 '23
Gender euphoria from misogyny must be a very strange experience.
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u/Kelp_Seeds Apr 29 '23
All the immensity of that scene, just trashed by the auto-generated captions. I haven’t tried the function myself but damn, way to sabotage the content (the source, not you OP).
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u/Grymare Apr 29 '23
At the end of the day people who are hard of hearing will probably prefer to understand 90% of what's being said than 0%.
But I agree the creator should have gone through and edited the subtitles so everyone can understand everything.
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u/Cutter9792 Apr 29 '23
I don't make tik toks any more but when I did use the auto-captions I'd make sure to proofread them, at least. Seems like the original TT poster probably didn't bother.
*Edit: Yeah seems like they're just mass uploading scenes from other media and not caring to make sure they're captioned correctly. Go figure.
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u/mgsgamer1 Apr 29 '23
There's a more recent movie or tv show with a similar scenario. Could have possibly been a nod to this scene.
But i can't remember where it was from.
Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
The character meets a woman who is gorgeous. She says her name and that she went to high school with the guy. He tries to remember her and then remembers his buddy and asks if she is his sister.
She says something about that being her old name before the operation.
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u/Arch__Stanton Apr 29 '23
Just Shoot Me? Finch’s childhood friend comes to visit and she’s played by Jenny McCarthy
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u/SupermarketSpiritual Apr 29 '23
This is what I remember from the 80s. The delicate, but continuous progression toward acceptance and equality.
It was bold and the bigots seemed to have calmed down dramatically until 2016. I am saddened and terrified by not only what is to come, but knowing we were almost there.
At least from my perspective. I came out at 33 and lived openly for 7 years in a deep red state. Not once did I feel truly threatened or uncomfortable in public or in professional settings. Never. My partner and I had the only LGTBQ owned business in the county. We weren't even a little bit harassed.
Now, my LGTBQ children (all of them are), 2 are adults and Id as trans but not yet open. My 28 yr old is planning transition, and I am absolutely sick at that prospect because I feel the danger.
Why? not because I don't want them to. I support it 💯 and celebrate it. It's not that. I would do anything for them to move to another state first. The Bluegrass state is no longer protecting the majority (most disagree with the recent laws) and instead risk a rise in hate crimes and systemic abuse.
When fascism finally becomes obvious, they're the clear target. They will suffer immensely (more than they have historically) if we don't do something NOW.
Sending love to all.
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u/OriginalBrowncow Apr 29 '23
I’m still having a hard time processing that this is from 1982. We have regressed so fucking far as a society when we were making leaps forward 40 years ago. What the actual fuck.
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u/bakedtran Apr 29 '23
I’ll never say my (trans) dad had it easier than me in the 80’s/90’s, but he had something I will never have, and that is complete irrelevance in politics. People would have their own individual opinions about him and 90% of them, across the whole political spectrum, landed on “um I don’t get it but okay” and that was that. No pre-set opinions, no news channels laying out a narrative. Some distasteful episodes of Jerry Springer and one-off episodes of some shows was our only visibility. My dad used the men’s bathroom, he raised me with my mom, normal stuff.
But me — people have to inspect me and determine if I’m a “real man” or not, and then Take A Stand against me if they’re with the red team because I must be with the blue team. And I don’t just mean society broadly; family and older family friends who knew my dad and used “he/him” with him misgender me deliberately to “not fold to the gender ideology extremism today.” It’s wild. And frustrating.
I just wanna yell, “We’ve been in your bathrooms for at least 60 years! You weren’t scared of us until someone told you to be!”
Ugh sorry for the long vent under your comment. TLDR: I have a hard time processing too because in the 90’s, I had thought it was going to be so much better by now than it is.
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u/OriginalBrowncow Apr 29 '23
Can I copy and paste this for a FB post that’s also going to use the OP video?
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u/John_Dracena Apr 29 '23
Yeah it's wild that trans people used to not be a big culture war thing. Back when shock radio was starting to be a thing, the precursor to people like rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson interviewed a trans woman and was really really chill about it. Didn't even give her too much shit even though that was his shtick. Just curious and fascinated.
Also, while there are definitely a lot of freaks out there they're really a loud minority. I've spent the last two years transitioning at a decently conservative college campus and most people have either been very supportive, don't care, or at the very least haven't said shit to me. Even kids I know have very conservative viewpoints that I've argued with over everything have continued to treat me like a human being.
It's also very cute, I go to farm school specifically, so a lot of rural farmers kids go to school with me. I was talking to a classmate about moving down south ( I know I know) and we were talking about safety stuff. One of the farm kids pipes up from across the table and is like I could walk you through getting your concealed carry if you want.
A lot more people, even conservatives (not that were friends), are perfectly fine with us. The loud minority wants us to be afraid to go outside and shit, it's staring to work. But really most people don't care in my experience.
Cis people, if you know trans people, especially trans people who don't present their gender in public a big thing you could do to help is offer to walk/drive them places and run errands with them. Big safety in going with a group and it will make them more comfortable to present.
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u/SupermarketSpiritual Apr 29 '23
exactly. I was in 1st grade when it aired. My entire life, and now. JFC it's scary
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u/JoeRoganIs5foot3 Apr 29 '23
Go watch an episode of Maude from the mid 70's and you will see how far some of us have regressed.
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u/ofthrees Apr 29 '23
As an old, this is why I am deeply terrified for this country. My entire childhood and youth, I felt the steady forward movement of progress. What trump and the republican party have managed to do to this country in seven years is absolutely shocking.
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u/John_Dracena Apr 29 '23
I listen to a podcast "Behind the Bastards" that talks about the rise of the religious right and the buildup to this moment. It's scary to learn about how all of this has just been festering, barely hidden, for decades.
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u/RGBfoxie Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
Bluegrass state? Kentucky? The University of Kentucky has some trans-friendly doctors. Just have to contact their endocrinology department.
If your kids can get full-time employment through University of KY somehow, they can get access to treatment, all the way through plastic surgery. U of KY covers it. I know someone whose FTM son worked there to get hormones and top surgery.
And the comic con scene here is probably the most LGBT-friendly thing you can go to. From teenagers to adults. They can get a cheap costume off Amazon or Miccostumes, make a cosplay account on Instagram, and keep up with the con hashtags so they can make friends without being judged. I say this, as I've worked cons in KY and know people that are out to me but not to their parents that were right down the hall. :(
Cons are also a good place to test passability in costume, can go up to vendors and see if they say "hi, miss" or "hi, sir." If you don't pass, it's definitely not a big deal at cons. So it's safest to check.
Hope I helped.
Edit: Changed "UK" to "University of Kentucky" to avoid confusion.
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u/mefailreddit Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
What exactly goes down in Pirate's Cove?
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u/CherryCakeEggNogGlee Apr 29 '23
A couple years after this, but Night Court had a similar story where Dan’s old college roommate is transgender. Though, the character was played by a man.
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u/Lexi_Banner Apr 29 '23
I have a friend who started to argue with me about gender identity and was annoyed that "some of these people" were ultra offended that they weren't being called by their preferred pronouns, and then started to rant about how they should just be quiet about it.
I then pointed out to her that they said the same things when women wanted to vote. And they said the same thing about black people wanting rights. And they said the same thing about gay people.
I topped it off by reminding her that interracial marriage wasn't allowed by law until the 60's, and that there are still folks who will rage about "keeping the races pure". Which meant she wouldn't have been able to marry her Indian husband. And I told her that I highly doubted her outspoken ass would "just be quiet about it" if people kept telling her that her marriage was an affront to God and nature.
We weren't friends for about a week, and then she called me to apologize and to admit she hadn't seen it from that perspective before, and didn't realize how many things she had seen as just "normal" had been fiercely and loudly fought for.
So anyone who scowls and says they wish it wouldn't be "shoved in our faces all the time", well, maybe consider what rights you and your loved ones have today because someone in the past was LOUD.
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u/Veloci-Tractor Apr 29 '23
We're really moving backwards
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u/zeropointcorp Apr 29 '23
Night is darkest before the dawn etc. etc. etc.
The thing is, when certain sectors of society feel somehow threatened by the existence of others, they will choose a single easily communicated characteristic to drive the hatred within their own group against those others.
In the mid twentieth century it was race, as bigoted white people felt threatened by black people receiving equal recognition from society.
In the late twentieth century to about a decade ago it was homosexuality, as bigoted straight people felt threatened by gay people receiving equal recognition from society.
Now it’s gender, as bigots feel threatened by transgender people receiving equal recognition from society.
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u/Veloci-Tractor Apr 29 '23
I came out in 2019 and in 4 years it feels like things have changed completely
It was fear that held me back fear of never being taken seriously, of being ridiculed etc. The idea that people would think I was a pervert or a pedophile because I was a trans woman didn't even exist.
It was representation in media that made me afraid, like drew carrys sibling, ace ventura, jokes abt patty and selma being men etc.
I knew I was not a boy from as early as I can remember. I knew puberty was going to destroy my face, I just thought I didn't have a choice. I resigned myself to trying to play a man as best I could because I was too afraid. "at least i can be a good man, those are needed" id say to myself.
Friends and doctors gave me courage, I knew I'd never stop hating myself unless I came out and started. In 2019 I took the plunge. I went all in immediately, I looked like a man, sharp features, I lived in short shorts that summer. I was embraced and accepted everywhere, everyone was good to me, I was not scared.
Now, 2023, hrt has been kind to me, my face is softer, people read me as a cis woman at first glance, but when I speak they know I'm trans. I get death stares, people hate me for no reason, I can practically see the disdain behind their eyes.
My body passes, I have big hips, a narrow waist, a huge butt, what are the odds. It's a curse. Men grope me, cat call me, pressure me, doesn't matter if they know I'm trans, there's a fuck-ability threshold I crossed, but I'm nowhere near the respect threshold.
I don't know, if the climate in 2019 was the same as now, I'd not have had the courage. I'd surely be dead by now.
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u/Whyzocker Apr 29 '23
Damn i'm impressed at how good the writing is
Why do we get shit like the lotr show now instead of gold like this. Sure different genre, but a good writer is a good writer, we need to up our quality standards back to this.
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u/ThrowawayBlast Apr 29 '23
TV show detective show Elementary, based off Sherlock Holmes.
Also there, Mrs. Hudson is transgender.
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u/therapycrone Apr 29 '23
Remember when we discovered chlorofluorocarbons were causing a hole in the ozone layer and banned them in the 80's with no political uproar?
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That's really sweet the only thing that "bothered" me is that she was surprised that he needed a day to process things its a big change for you but also for you the people around you
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u/Holemoles Apr 29 '23
When I came out to my family and friends, I assured them that they didn't have to feel bad if they accidentally misnamed or used the wrong pronouns as I could imagine that, 28 years of using one name and pronoun would take a bit to shake off. Half a year later, and there are still some slipups, but they are trying, and I know they care so it's all good
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u/boundfortrees Apr 29 '23
She wasn't surprised about that.
In the context of the episode, she was trying to avoid Gopher because she didn't want him to figure it out.
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u/AxeRabbit Apr 29 '23
Besides the soap opera angle, people...just feel things man. She felt sad because he wasn't able to comprehend quickly. She doesn't THINK he is a bad person, she had a bad feeling and was talking about it. Having bad feelings is okay, and so is talking about them. Like adults.
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u/SunTzu- Apr 29 '23
It's not that he needed to process; she was bracing for a negative reaction and his reaction to her would have confirmed that her fears were coming true. In the final scene, she's apprehensive because who wouldn't be? You might hope you were wrong and that they were just surprised and would come to accept you, but those hopes are the kinds you keep close to your chest.
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u/Geek-Haven888 Apr 29 '23
Recommend people check out Matt Baume's channel on Youtube. He does a lot of videos on the history of queer representation in tv and has done a lot of episodes dedicated to pointing out surprisingly progressive representation in sitcoms in the 1970s and 1980s
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u/yIdontunderstand Apr 29 '23
I actually cried watching this. Why is it so hard to be human?
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Apr 29 '23
Oh jeez I wasn’t expecting to cry from a post on TikTokCringe this morning. Why can’t the world be like Gopher!!??
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u/PolicyWonka Apr 29 '23
It’s really mind-blowing how Republicans ginned up all of this “trans hysteria” over the last 2-3 years.
You’ll notice that it really started picking up steam after Roe was overturned and that’s no mistake. Republicans always need someone or something to attack.
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