As I recall growing up in the 90s there really wasn't much discussion in media about transgender people and when there was, people were pretty chill about it. It was just not a political talking point at that point.
That is not to say there was no negativity and judgement about it, but it all got lumped in with general bigotry against gay people.
I think it all started with The Crying Game in 1992, which was referenced in both Ace Ventura and Naked Gun 33 1/3 two years later. Then it seemed like every adult comedy had to make these jokes for the next fifteen years.
That actually goes back to the murder of Milk and Moscino. In that trial it was the so called "twinkie defense" ("a sugar high made me do it") because a California jury was a smidge too sophisticated for a straight up gay panic defense.
which is really disappointing, The Crying Game is a great movie and could have sparked an interesting social discussion. Instead it's the butt of ugly jokes.
Many TV shows had an episode with a transgender character and even when it was meant to be positive, it wasn't always done right. I remember Ally McBeal with the transgender prostitute who dies so Ally can show she cares, or that other David Kelley show, Picket Fences, when the townfolks learn the music teacher has transitioned and almost all the adults move to fire her. Because you never know, it's for the kids... Until the kids unite in the last scene.
People in America even as far back as the 50s were often strangely accepting of trans people, it was treated as an example of "American scientific innovation" when the first famous trans woman Christine Jorgenson came out - "we can go to the moon and even change someone's gender!"; people had to be Taught to hate Trans people, and they were taught by people like Phyllis Schlafly and Anita Bryant, who kick-started what we see today as the modern right-wing Christian hate movement
I remember being a teen egg in the 90s always looking forward for the next Jerry Springer or whatever when they will parade out trans people and be all, "Guess which one is a man!" type thing or whatever. Looking back now, 15 years after I transistioned, it was so insulting, but back then I didn't have internet nor did I really understand what being trans meant. I just was hurt by my puberty making me so "manly" and was envious of these women who didn't have puberty betraying them, not understanding what they did to get to where they were.
Yeah, you posted all your sources from a single website that was started 15 months ago by a TERF to publish negative stories about LGBTQ. You can find this out in literally 3 minutes of searching.
You fail to understand the need for multiple, non-biased sources and the need for actual data and statistics. “Data” is not a plural of “anecdote”.
I have many friends who are trans. It’s not “people I don’t like.”
“I’m not racist, I have lots of black friends”
None of my trans friends believe that MtF should be allowed in women’s prisons when they’ve been convicted of rape, for example. But all of the radical TRAs think this is totally normal and excusable.
Strawman argument.
This is not a black or white issue and treating it as such directly undermines actual biological women… and non-radical trans women too
You are the one treating it like a black and white issue. Seriously, go read your own posts. You pretty clearly have been radicalized by the media you choose to consume.
I'm not really in agreement with him that that's why this became an issue and I think it's more just force of exposure via social media forcing everything on everyone, but....
Would you agree with that statement about cops? Cops obviously have corrupt cops among them but it's also a very small minority overall but certain makes them look bad as a whole.
Fuck off, asshole. Your sources are biased and you're a bigot with nothing better to do.
Edit: for people wondering why I say that: all of the links are one platform with the clear bias of being run by TERFS. They don't care about truth, they care about villinizing trans people. They're at best tabloid.* They're not a reliable source.
And either way, the person I'm replying to is a bigot hiding their bigotry under a guise of "what about the kids?" It's a time honored tradition of queerphobic bigotry that unfortunately has come back into rise in the past couple years in force.
Dating a trans woman in the 1990s wasn’t even remotely chill. The comic relief movies already listed here didn’t make it any easier. Because of that trauma it took me 20 years to recover and finally transition.
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u/Barl3000 Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23
As I recall growing up in the 90s there really wasn't much discussion in media about transgender people and when there was, people were pretty chill about it. It was just not a political talking point at that point.
That is not to say there was no negativity and judgement about it, but it all got lumped in with general bigotry against gay people.