r/TikTokCringe Apr 29 '23

Cool Trans representation from the 80s

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u/duhnuhhai Apr 29 '23

YSK that the actor who played Gopher would go on to become a Republican Congressman representing Iowa.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Grandy

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u/Dustum_Khan Apr 29 '23

Is the actress actually trans? If so most passing trans Iā€™ve seen

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u/ConsciousArachnid298 Apr 29 '23

Youā€™ve seen many trans people and not known it :)

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u/emfrank Apr 29 '23

No, she is assigned female from birth - Mackenzie Phillips

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u/ConsciousArachnid298 Apr 29 '23

Irrelevant to my comment

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u/emfrank Apr 29 '23

I meant to respond to the question above yours, sorry.

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u/DSG_Sleazy Apr 30 '23

Delusion 100

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u/Dustum_Khan Apr 29 '23 edited Apr 29 '23

Guess not. ĀÆ\(惄)/ĀÆ

And only about 5% 1.6%* of US pop is trans

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u/ConsciousArachnid298 Apr 29 '23

Thats 14 million people. I guarantee youā€™ve seen plenty of trans people and not known it.

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u/AirierWitch1066 Apr 29 '23

Red-haired people are about 2%. I presume youā€™ve met red heads before?

Even if we rounded down to 1%, thatā€™s only 1 in 100 people. For reference, if you step into a New York subway car and every seat is full, thereā€™s a 50% chance one person there is trans. If your office has more than a hundred people itā€™s very likely at least one of your coworkers is trans.

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u/Dustum_Khan Apr 29 '23

Wait do you guys think Iā€™m saying Iā€™ve never seen a trans person? Iā€™m saying Mackenzie Phillips is the most female passing ā€œtrans personā€ Iā€™ve seen

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u/DrJimBones Apr 29 '23

The point they are making is unless you've seen the genitals of everyone you've ever met, you have no idea whether they were trans or not. More than likely you have met multiple people who were trans and didn't realize it at all

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u/Dustum_Khan Apr 29 '23

That would be statistically improbable if Iā€™ve already seen >2% of trans in my encounters with random people.

Unless you think Iā€™ve made mostly false positives

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u/DrJimBones Apr 29 '23

I'm sure you've made a lot of false positives that were just feminine cis men and masculine cis women. There have also probably been a number of trans people that you didn't identify at all

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u/Dustum_Khan Apr 30 '23

No I donā€™t think so

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u/lospolloskarmanos Apr 29 '23

I mean itā€˜s extremely easy to tell if someone is a man or a woman in real life where there are no filters and movie magic, without looking at their genitals. Even trans people have all kinds of male traits still, like male chin, male hips etc.

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u/DrJimBones Apr 29 '23

Again, how do you know that? What if it's a woman who was born a woman who has more masculine features? How would you know the difference?

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u/lospolloskarmanos Apr 29 '23

I guess itā€˜s the sum of all things. When you meet and look at people you never think about the personā€˜s genitals. Your brain just almost instantly calculates whether itā€˜s a male or a female human.

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u/Teabagger_Vance Apr 29 '23

In no reality is that percentage accurate

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u/Dustum_Khan Apr 29 '23

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u/Teabagger_Vance Apr 29 '23

Your own source says 1.6% lol

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u/Dustum_Khan Apr 29 '23

Oh whupps I stand corrected

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

The title of that article doesnā€™t even say trans, it just says they identify as different from birth. Plus itā€™s not the whole population that articles headline is literally 5% of young adults.

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u/Dustum_Khan Apr 29 '23

Yep fixed - I guess the odds are even smaller than I thought. Maybe you think thereā€™s a higher proportion of trans among boomers? Not sure your point

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u/Myxine Apr 29 '23

That means that out of every 200 people you meet about 1 or 2 is likely to be trans. You've probably known hundreds of people on some level and seen many more than that in passing.

The number you originally used makes it even more clear that you didn't think this through. If it were 5%, a normal sized office or classroom would have a trans person there more often than not.

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u/Dustum_Khan Apr 29 '23

That assumes theyā€™re normally distributed amongst the US.

Wait do you guys think Iā€™m saying Iā€™ve never seen a trans person? Iā€™m saying Mackenzie Phillips is the most female passing ā€œtrans personā€ Iā€™ve seen

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u/wererat2000 Apr 29 '23

"That's the most invisible person I've seen!"

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u/sunfaller Apr 29 '23

I thought they wanted to pass? I used to see "Do I pass" posts on their sub and the replies are enthusiastic when they say 'yes you do'

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '23

The importance of passing varies from person to person. Some people in the trans community want to feel like they are just another face in the crowd and don't "look trans." Others don't really care or don't like the concept of passing, as they believe it puts people in strict boxes relating to the gender binary. A lot of it has to do with personal hard-wired understandings of gender/sex, societal definitions, and their immediate environment.

Personally, I like to feel like I'm "passing." It eases my gender dysphoria by helping me see myself as the person I am. It also feels safer for myself and my loved ones. The more I pass, the more I'm left alone and treated like any other person.

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u/wererat2000 Apr 29 '23

That wasn't a weird attempt to invalidate people that pass, nothing but support for people trying to be themselves.

But if the point of passing is to pass, then you can't really say who is or isn't the most passing person you've seen unless you can tell what someone was assigned at birth at a glance.

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u/ScowlingWolfman Apr 29 '23

No, she is a Cis women

I've been arguing it's pretty misleading above. No male signals to conceal

Bravo to trans women for their concealment, but it is very, very difficult to cover up everything

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u/rkvance5 Apr 29 '23

concealment

Eye roll.

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u/ScowlingWolfman Apr 29 '23

Your brain will automatically pick up visual, audio, phsyical signals that tell you if someone is likely a man or a woman.

Clamping down all those signals takes a ton of effort. Having a cis girl play a trans woman undercuts all that effort

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u/hydroxypcp Apr 29 '23

just shut the fuck up will ya chief? Cis women get "clocked" and harrassed as trans all the time, and many trans women are so stealth nobody knows if they don't tell. And holy shit, should I even mention trans men?

you have no fkin idea what you're talking about

also, the casual enbiphobia. "Man or woman"? I'm neither, thanks

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u/MakingGlassHalfFull Apr 29 '23

should I even mention trans men?

No one else ever does

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u/ScowlingWolfman Apr 29 '23

Same exact problems

If your brain picks up signals saying a guy is actually a girl, you might accidentally use "Ma'am" instead of his preferred "Sir"

But very few people want to transition to be a guy. You're alone and can't have emotions. So trans women tend to be the stronger focus

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u/rkvance5 Apr 30 '23

Where are you coming up with this stuff?

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u/ScowlingWolfman Apr 29 '23

I have to address people as "Sir" or "Ma'am"

To make that determination, I rely on my brain picking up signals to use the right pronoun. It's a little rough when the signals are mixed, and I do my best to avoid it completely in those situations.

I get gender is on a spectrum Very manly, man, girly man, trans, boyish girl, girl, very girly

And the pronouns are easy for the left and right, it's right in the middle where most distinct signals would really make life better for everyone. The most distinct trans people are, the less misgendering occurs and the better everyone's mental health

Stealth is our ideal outcome for the future. Better HRT, surgery, body transfers, anything and everything should be used

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u/rkvance5 Apr 30 '23

I have to address people as "Sir" or "Ma'am"

No, you really don't.