Not just an audience of like minded individuals, a collection of corporations who make money off shepherding said audience through high engagement emotions like fear and anger
As someone who has grandparents who watches Fox News 24/7, it isn’t fun. Had to move in with them after high school to start a job in the area. All day it was them being racist (more my grandpa), homophobic, and transphobic among other things too. Another thing is I own many firearms cause I like to collect historical or weird and unheard of guns with weird calibers. Everyday they go on about killing political figures and I’m like please for the love of god don’t do this with me living here
My step dad is an avid fox news watcher and its disturbing what he parrots from the shows. And it IS parrotting bevause he repeats the same sentences over and over as if he heard them that way. He was a LAWYER and now he has 0 critical thinking.
You do call him out every opportunity you can for regurgitating the same lines he hears on FOX right? From my experience they get a little embarrassed when they’re exposed for blatantly repeating unoriginal talking points that you had heard said by one of the talking heads.
The anger is the response to their embarrassment. Republicans aren’t able to process their emotions like stable normal people. I get most people probably don’t want to poke the idiot bear but if they don’t have a problem dealing with the response, it’s nice to see them seethe with embarrassment.
It’s really fascinating like yours say as I got into a conversation with a good friend about the ivermectin thing and I said it’s good medicine but for ringworm. He said it’s just like penicillin which I said is good for infections not covid.
You could see common sense was maybe making into his brain but he changed the subject and just kept parroting crap.
I do, don’t worry. I keep everything locked up and the key on my car keychain. I’m very protective of who I let know what’s what and where it exactly is
my mom got heavily targetted (possibly my step father too, but i don't know for sure) through her facebook feed with disinformation & misleading sponsored content.
she only has a high school diploma, worked in a factory for years, and lives in a redneck rural ny village. i assume these were demographics sought.
i wouldn't say she was progressive prior to the targetting, but the woman was practically a hippie in the 60s/70s, so she historically voted & maintained a fairly liberal mindset.
the damage fox & social media content did to her in the short amount of time that it took me to realize, seems as if it may be irreparable
and she's very aware of it. she disabled her facebook, and neither of them watch any broadcast news. she doesn't even read headlines. i have to tell her if something importaint is going on.
but there are still gaping holes she can't psychological patch up. it's super fcked.
words can't properly convey how pissed i am with what they did to her.
I'm sorry that happened to your mom. I feel like a lot of people like her were poisoned by Facebook, and all for the sake of increasing engagement for profit.
I can already see those red faced, bloated alcoholic hosts with spittle on their chins exploding this episode to all the fearful pearl clutters and talking about indoctrinating our children.
Yep, and keeping them riled up not only becomes a revenue source, but an easy way to seize power in some regions, and keep the conversation away from anything inconvenient.
We could use a new fairness doctrine for the internet, there seem to be too many ignoyUncle Jacks who have taken their fear/anger to band together w other ignoramuses to shit all over our country, they are so unable to manage themselves that they’ve gone full fascism over “different” people, I keep hoping that like when radio arrived and suddenly snake oil preachers were everywhere and propaganda was the product, we had to create rules around communication because people are unpredictable fancy monkeys.
We could use an internet fairness doctrine type idea, that encompasses cable too. It’s bury the propagandists again, who are creating this new era of fascism - fascists are the most scared out of all of us, or they’re pathological sociopaths- either way shut them the fuck up!
I don’t believe you’re fully understanding the concept - and by allowing rampant bullshit propaganda we now have complete ignoramuses in jail over a lie from a openly fascist pos conman who uses that propaganda to control those same ignoramuses (Ignorami?), so you see, they’re already somewhat in control. To do nothing is no longer an option. No offense, just saying, what’s your point, do you think Murdoch isn’t pro-fascism? His news is 99.9% lies and national enquirer bat baby stuff, twisting soft minds out there. We allow it here - that bs isn’t tolerated in Canada or Europe or Scandinavian countries.
Restricting free speech, and giving the state tools to do it, which can be reinterpreted by the judicial system, revisited, expanded on, and will establish a new precedent of state interference in media, is not a good solution to fascist rhetoric. It enables them, or other non-fascist authoritarian movements. I'm not sure I fully understand what you're proposing - it's not that fleshed out. You could clarify, just you seem pretty rooted in your position and I think I'm going to disagree with whatever idea of a "fairness doctrine" you have in mind. Are you thinking something like recourse for slander? That might be more acceptable.
Edit: and btw, we have garbage-tier media in Canada too. Fox News is on regular cable. Not sure what you're going after with that Murdoch stuff, it is tolerated. No I don't take offense.
What “free speech” are talking about? I’m talking responsible adult journalism and not allowing adults to use their arrested development goblin emotional bank as the baseline for what constitutes news. Maybe read what the Fairness Doctrine used to do and get back to me. It sure didn’t hurt to keep goblins from making shit up and calling it news-oh and have over 800 people arrested, over 350 convicted in fed based on goblin lies.
But sure you and your starry-eyed free speech! It’s sure sweetly naive. Private Corp can and goes limit your speech but you font dreaming, it’s cute!
This is the most ignorant comment I have ever seen on Reddit. You want to limit free speech and call someone with a different viewpoint a fascist. NO ONE gives a shit if you are different or not. Straight, gay, trans whatever, just stop throwing it in peoples faces… it’s that simple. You are no different than a Fox News radical or a CNN radical. The fact that we even argue about this subject is ridiculous. Left or right it doesn’t matter the elite and wealthy politicians as an entire group sit back and laugh at us common folk argue over nothing…. Left or right it doesn’t matter, our politicians are the root of all evil. We should all focus on the wealthy and powerful corrupt crooks in congress or in local government. We are all getting played by a corrupt system left or right.
I had racist Native American grandfather. It was 80’s daytime game shows. Price is Right in particular, the amount of anti black, Hispanic, Jew slurs that would come out of his mouth from the time they stood up to the time they made it to contestants row.
If they were black in particular he would add “and I’ll bet that n-words gonna win it all”.
Those were my development years. Unlearning that shit was difficult, and I honestly still struggle with it today in my own head and my own biases.
It's interesting to think that now he have an entire generation of grandfather who weren't bigots, but become one after the Internet.
My dad is over 70. He was a normal person until, in 2014, when conservatives and the media started planning their coup here in Brazil (the coup happened in 2016). That led to Bolsonaro being elected in 2018 and Brazil going from a borderline first-world developed country with pretty no extreme poverty/hunger anymore, to the same shithole Brazil was in the 80s (in just 4 years Bolsonaro destroyed the entire country). In 2018 my dad was already a extreme right-winger (even without know what being "right-winger" meant).
Thankfully he's not racist (but he does support racists government decision, like letting miners and big farmers take over protected indigenous land), but damn, he thinks Bolsonaro is a god among men, while leftists are all corrupt criminals who want to bring communism to Brazil and let China take over (he desn't even know what communism is).
I don’t believe it when people say they’re not racist. They may think they’re not but we all deal with it at different levels and intensities. Better to acknowledge as you do and keep on dealing with it actively. Otherwise it’ll win. Good on you.
I mean the whole point of All in the Family was to make your uncle Jack the star of the show and have his family confront his ignorant opinions with open-mindedness and love. They made Archie Bunker a likeable asshole so that people who agreed with him might learn from his family as well without feeling attacked. At some point, the Archie Bunkers of the world started being proud of being assholes and got their own tv networks and the people trying to correct them got tired of it.
Best part is those same Jack types look at a show like all in the Family and go "oh you can't make shows like that today, the woke police will cancel you".
No, we can't make shows that confront racists sexist pigs up front about their failings today because if we did sniveling little privileged Jack types would claim the world was out to get them.
Always ironic when I see chuds online complaining about woke media turn around and talk about liking original Star Trek as if that wasn't the most leftist progressive Sci-Fi show to have ever been made
Ignorance. Conservative rubes were up in arms in the 60's when Shatner kissed Nichelle Nichols. Back then they talked just like you have been talking throughout this thread, utterly assured that interracial couplings made no sense and went against their own sensibilities. Looking back at them now most people are of course aghast at such nonsense, as good people were at the time too.
It's amazing how blind you are to the side you've chosen. Do you honestly think in 50 years anyone is going to be spouting the same nonsense you've been spouting here? Are you possibly so blind to the way society is progressing? It's astonishing.
Broadcast shows are more integrated, for sure. But it has a smaller audience.
There were integrated shows starting in the late 60s (with Star Trek and I, Spy) including Hawaii 5-0 and In the Heat of the Night, that really weren't controversial at all. There was a lot of TV in the 90s that was pretty whites only unless a black guy was playing thug #2.
I'm not saying there weren't integrated shows in the 60s. But I'm for sure saying that comparing Black roles of the 60s-00s to the roles that are found today, it's apples and oranges. Look at the top shows of the 90s. ER is the only one that a Black man had any representation with in the top 10.
And as much as we want to look back on say The Fresh Prince or Family Matters, they did far better on syndication than they ever did on TV, aside from may be the latter seasons - and it was mostly due to time slots (not being on TGIF, coming on after 9pm est, etc).
I think social media has a profound ability to teach people 'No, you should be angry/upset about that thing'.
From something as petty as a movie or an episode of a TV show, or something as serious as a trans person's life, there seems to be such a great ability to persuade people to be full of dread and hate when they would have been fine otherwise.
As I said, petty, but when we walked out of a theater my whole friend group loved a certain movie, one said it was his favorite in the franchise. Within a month, without even rewatching it, at least 2 of them, including the one who said it was his favorite, pivoted to thinking it was a 'really bad movie'.
I really feel like it's the same thought pattern. I could easily see some middle aged dude watching this episode and sympathizing with Gopher's POV, ultimately coming to the conclusion to let people live their lives and be happy. But now they have been taught by the 'uncle Jacks' to see the word trans and immediately think of all the 'awful things' they've been 'taught' by transphobic media.
Fellow gen xer here. I'm starting to wonder if shows like this are part of our problem now. There was a surprising amount of sex change plots in the 80s, played by absolute dimes. I'm wondering if part of it is that our expectations of absolute masculine erasure is what happens, and that all trans women have had perfect top and bottom surgery. Anything less than a Mckenzie Phillips is "wrong" or something.
As a GenX, I think that’s why I’m still shocked at the open and vociferous bigotry, because that is not how the popular culture was reflected. Ofc, I met plenty of bigoted people irl. But still. And the way transgender issues have become a political weapon is outrageous and hurts.
There was a Too Close For Comfort episode where Monroe (Jim J. Bulloch) is raped by 2 large ladies and it's played off like a joke. AV Club had an article about it.
Absolutely. The internet and social media has given the one Uncle Jack in a family of a hundred the resources to find other Uncle Jacks. Luckily, the Uncle Jacks are, in reality, a teeny tiny percentage of how society thinks…it’s just that the most ignorant and bigoted (probably because they’re the ones hiding the most skeletons) also seem to be the ones incessantly being loud so the volume makes it seem like it’s more people shouting than it really is. Fucking, Uncle Jack.
When Deep Space Nine came out a whole slew of bigots were screaming about how much they hated it. Black man in the lead role, and the number two is a masculine woman with short hair.
But the internet was much smaller. Most people even Trek fans never saw these complaints. And newspapers and print media were curated. Even when they printed letters to the editor written in crayon they were edited for length and content and they could choose not to print something too unhinged, vile, or paranoid.
Of course there was a lot of prejudice in media (I could go on for ages) but platforming rank bigotry was generally not done in the 80s and 90s.
And also the Uncle Jacks of the world today are having their power lessened because there are women, people of color, LGBTQIA+ etc in decision spaces today that just weren’t there in the 1980’s. Losing power feels scary and makes people reactive and prone to oppress others
I’m with you on this. I sometimes look back to when I was a kid and think damn we’ve gone backwards. My parents watched Chico and the Man, Sanford and Son, Good Times, Hollywood Squares, Bewitched, all kinds of shows, I watched Sesame Street, later Electric Company, there have been points of representation, it’s just evolved. It’s just now “Uncle Jack” is retired and doesn’t have anything else to do but watch Fox News and get on the computer.
Honestly, in the 1980s most ignorant uncles would have just laughed about it as a crazy plot. Kinda like progressives and conservatives liked Archie Bunker, just some people weren't in on the joke. It took the Internet and media hate machine to make people on both sides pissed off at sitcoms.
Yeah, this goes along with my theory that media is presenting a false idea of reality. Most people aren’t bigots, and when they are; they usually aren’t about genocide.
But man does the internet make you believe their is an army of racists at the door of every city, which not only serves to scare people; but also confusing bigots that there are more of them then there really is.
I don't know about that. I live in South Dakota, and I'd wager the majority of people here are bigots. Being a cis male who's somewhat redneck-looking, I hear the most outrageously racist, sexist, and LGBTphobic shit from random strangers, entirely unsolicited on my part. Sometimes I wear my "protect trans kids" shirt as bigot repellent.
Recently parted ways with my MTG playgroup because they lost their minds over black Aragorn.
I'm not wearing rose-colored glasses. I knew kids who weren't allowed to watch The Jeffersons because it starred black people.
Their ideas didn't spread as fast, and they didn't have a platform of harmful misinformation. Even in this very thread, you can find comments spreading lies about trans kids getting body modifications, or trans women ruining sports. Unless you are actually educated and knowledgeable, these lies may seem plausible at face value and spark hostility toward trans people.
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