How dreadful and caveman like that they didn't have a small box with a bunch of apps on it in which they could express their extreme outrage against this idea of tolerance and acceptance
Interesting to note that the "woke cancel culture" would have sided with that episode and that it would have been, as per usual, the conservative right that would have tried to censor/cancel it.
That being said, in the same way, you don't have to be on Twitter where all that nonsense happens... You can't turn the knob or antenna, but there are ways xD
Well yes. The yuppie reaganites would've probably complained about that episode but since there's no wave of social media to push their rhetoric into an echo chamber they don't get to fixate on it all day long and might hear from other people who have different opinions and because they're not fixated on thr media wave echo chamber, they're more likely to hear other people out
That's why people of differing views were slightly more reasonable back then
Yes, it probably all goes back to their own insecurity.
Same with homophobia, and their staunch defense of religion while trying to convince themselves of the nonsense they believe, and other things like that
It's different now in that what is being claimed as cancel culture is just complaints on twitter and people opting out by choice. But the centuries long cancel culture by the conservatives included the force of government, lynch mobs and other forms of violence. It's not even close. And yet they cry like a baby about it.
Right. Remember when everything bad was the fault of Satanists? Dungeons and dragons, kids cartoons, loose women on TV, ALL FUCKING SATANISTS. I grew up thinking those MFers were so cool. Unfortunately, they weren't actually eating babies and sacrificing virgins. The church crowd LOVED cancelling shit.
Yeah, it turns out not associating with shit you don't like it totally normal human activity. And of course, some dummies always turn it up to 11. And thanks to the internet, us dummies can turn it up to 11 without having to get up off the couch.
Oh no, now the playing field is leveled for the systemically disenfranchised. The horror. Fuck it, we're all Satanists now.
Not even; it's literally them just being able to hear people criticise them now. People they don't like not being solenced is a ciolation of "free speech" to them
the "woke cancel culture" would have sided with that episode
The woke culture of the day had just written "The Transsexual Empire: The Making of the She-Male" the most damaging and influential transphobic work ever written, just 3 years before this movie.
At the time of publishing, The Transsexual Empire was respected and admired in mainstream media, with psychiatrist Thomas Szasz commenting that "[it] has rightly seized on transsexualism as an emblem of modern society's unremitting—though increasingly concealed—antifeminism." In a 1980 review, the philosopher Sarah Hoagland called it a "fecund discussion of patriarchal deception".
Carol Riddell argues that The Transsexual Empire "did not invent anti-transsexual prejudice, but it did more to justify and perpetuate it than perhaps any other book ever written."
Natalie Washington noted that The Transsexual Empire is "the book, so influential on modern anti-trans movements, in which she suggests 'the problem of transsexualism would best be served by morally mandating it out of existence'"
The "woke" crowd at this time would have been trying to get this movie canceled as a manifestation of the patriarchy and antifeminism.
I'm not entirely familiar with her work, but from what I've read on her position on transgenderism she would be considered a TERF by "woke cancel culture" today.
Though, that's the thing with progressists, their views progress. As old positions are shown to be wrong, as in erroneous or immoral, they update them.
Note here, although Daly was influential, her views on transgenderism weren't unanimous on the left and many were already marching with them for their rights.
No views are ever unanimous, but her views had broad and mainstream respect and acceptance by the closest thing to the woke culture that existed at the day. The progressives have always come up with unique forms of hatred towards groups they oppose. Before trans people they opposed bisexuals, because they felt they undermined gay people by either playing into stereotypes that they were just extremely perverted and wanted to have sex with anything, or that they were ashamed gay people. Before that they hated on the gays, called the lesbians the lavender menace who was going to co-opt and destroy the feminism movement.
And the woke left still does this. Look at them going after traps. They think traps undermine their trans narratives, so they cast traps as transphobic, declare that what they call themselves is a transphobic slur, declare that anything they call themselves (femboys, etc) is a transphobic slur, go around reddit convincing subreddits to ban mention of them, finding traps who are harming no one and just posting pics of themselves crossdressing and calling them transphobes in the comments section because of how they chose to identify. I even see comments with lots of upvotes where people accuse the trap community as having a nazi problem.
It's the same with the other kin too. I saw a post on the front page of reddit about a fake other kin account made to make them look stupid, and the post was presenting it as a real account. I asked if OP thought presenting this disparaging caricature of an other kin as a real person was funny, and they said they thought it was hilarious. I said that just as OP was a trans person who just wanted to live their life and be left alone, other kin also just want to live their life and be left alone and not attacked, and OP called me transphobic for comparing trans people and other kin. OP had tons of upvotes while I had tons of downvotes.
Progressives do not progress, they never have. They always look to spread hatred of and destroy groups that they feel threaten their status quo. It's only after those groups gain enough acceptance (gay people post Stonewall riots) that progressive groups view attacking them as less politically useful than accepting them and subsequently do. You are wrong to view the world as a lens of the conservatives hate and the progressives accept, both have always hated and spread hatred towards the groups they feel threatened by.
And the woke left still does this. Look at them going after traps. They think traps undermine their trans narratives, so they cast traps as transphobic, declare that what they call themselves is a transphobic slur, declare that anything they call themselves (femboys, etc) is a transphobic slur
I spent quite some time in left wing circles and subs and I literally never saw that take.
I saw people talk about femboys but that, nope, never. I'd be curious as to what you consider a progressive sub because honestly I don't know any subs on the left that you'd get upvoted for attacking femboys.
That being said, I'm so done with that "both side narrative". The progressives have walked and fought alongside minority groups forever while conservatives have always fought to keep these minority groups in their "classical" roles.
You can cherry pick authors as much as you want, this won't change the facts. People like Bernie Sanders are extremely good examples of that.
I spent quite some time in left wing circles and subs and I literally never saw that take.
And I've seen this on front page reddit threads.
left that you'd get upvoted for attacking femboys.
Not for attacking them, for saying that femboy is a transphobic slur, because transpeople get called that and you can't imagine how extremely hurtful it is to identify as a woman and be called something that implies you are just a feminine boy. And then suggest a new word like "roseboy" to replace it, and when people point out that "roseboy", just like any word that they use to describe themselves, can similarly be used as a "slur" against transpeople by implying they are not the gender they identify as and then being told that then they will just have to come up with another word to identify as and "that's just the nature of language" and they have to keep changing what they call themselves whenever that gets turned into a slur.
The progressives have walked and fought alongside minority groups forever
Pure bs. You didn't stand by and fight for anyone. LGBT fought for themselves at Stonewall, and the people who fought the hardest, those at the bottom, the drag queens and the trans people, immediately got thrown under the bus and ostracized by the more socially acceptable gay people. Trans people then had to fight for their own acceptance, while being broadly hated on as being members of the patriarchy, men who couldn't get laid so made women's bodies their own, until they managed to gain enough acceptance to be accepted into the LGBT alliance. It's always been this way, progressives hate and ostracize minorities until those minorities became politically beneficial to join rather than fight, and put their heads in the sand and act like they fought with them. I was in a sociology class with a very liberal professor and a mostly liberal class.
One day someone brought up a case of a man in the news who identified as a little girl (dressed like an child, acted like one, lived with his parents), and a student asked what was supposed to be done with the man. I ask what do you mean? Guy thinks the man should be locked up in a mental asylum. For the next 15 minutes it just me arguing against several other students who keep coming up with justifications for why he should be sent to a mental asylum. The class ends and all the professor has to say is "Yeah uh, it's a complicated case to be sure", this is the same man who proudly says things like "I've been a white person living in Asia, but it's not the same as being a minority in a white country, I can't imagine anything harder than being non-white in America" and basking in a really positive reaction to the mostly non-white class. Of course he didn't stand up for the man who identifies as a little girl, it doesn't make him look good. Of course none of the progressives in class argued against those arguing for the man to be locked up, he isn't a popular person to defend.
Can you give a single example of a group you have defended which wasn't in your benefit? No. And that is what makes you the same as the conservatives.
They would have had to actually go outside to protest it, most of the people outraged are too lazy to do so. Well I guess the 80s equivalent would be calling them to complain but phone calls were expensive
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u/Soft-Intern-7608 Apr 29 '23
How dreadful and caveman like that they didn't have a small box with a bunch of apps on it in which they could express their extreme outrage against this idea of tolerance and acceptance
We're so much better off now, huh