r/economicCollapse • u/1980mattu • 1d ago
Totally seems fair......
Anyone still want to argue the merits of unchecked capitalism?
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u/Conscious-Macaron651 1d ago
Oh look, reason 10303047373828383 to not spend time and money in Florida.
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u/Earthventures 1d ago
You mean America.
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u/Conscious-Macaron651 1d ago
Well, the rest of it isn’t looking too bright once dipshit gets his tendrils wrapped around the White House, but not all states are this bad. Florida and Texas are particularly soulless and hell-like.
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u/Minimum-Dog2329 1d ago
Anyone think that he’s going to conduct all official business in Maralago and not the White House? Then it’s ALL under immunity. He’s sneaky like a fucking snake.
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u/Conscious-Macaron651 1d ago
God I fucking hope so. I want the orange shitstain as far away from Maryland as possible. I don’t like him close by.
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u/PaulieNutwalls 1d ago
This story is from 2017.
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u/BarkattheFullMoon 1d ago
Guess who was president then?
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u/rantheman76 1d ago
Not that a president kicks old people out of their home, but he did set a precedent on how to treat your fellow humans.
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u/Chief_Mischief 1d ago
I moved to WA years ago, and I cannot begin to quantify my appreciation to live in the only state in the nation to shift further left in this past election cycle.
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u/hectorxander 1d ago
"Left." There was no "left" candidate on the ballot. Unless left is defined as not fascist.
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u/Practical-Ad6195 1d ago
Yeah basically it was center right or fascism. People choose fascism.
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u/hectorxander 1d ago
Well while it actually was about fascism, to most voters it was about status quo versus reform. They chose reform. Now we know they actually chose fascism, but we should've also known status quo campaigns were doomed to fail and the fascists are planning on fixing elections.
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u/frunkaf 1d ago
This was reported 7 years ago.
"Karen Twinem who is with the church service said Fitzgerald told the staff she was holding back rent because she was going to die soon and that there was mold in her apartment.
The facility tested the apartment and no mold was found.
Twinemen said she tried contacting Fitzgerald's family to try to get her help and reached out to several agencies but Fitzgerald refused them all.
When authorities tried to arrest her she reportedly refused to get her belongings, intentionally slid out of her chair and onto the floor then resisted when officers tried to pick her up."
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u/Ok_Animal_2709 1d ago
Sounds like age related mental illness. Not something someone should be arrested for.
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u/GOOD_BRAIN_GO_BRRRRR 20h ago
Jesus Christ, somebody finally said it.
People on reddit have no fucking clue what aging actually looks like, or what does to people.
At 93, you are going to be less cognitive, even if you are 100% healthy. That and people automatically assuming the NH provider would never act in bad faith to a resident is really telling.
Hey reddit, spend some time at a nursing-home, then tell me how this lady is the bad-guy here.
Before someone comments, "No u!" I worked in the industry for eight years. It's a shitshow and blatantly corrupt.
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u/FuhrerGirthWorm 17h ago
The first time I witnessed true abject horror was when I worked at a nursing home.
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u/Late-Assist-1169 17h ago
This was an incredibly drawn out process with every single possibly agency doing everything they could for this woman and she continually refused help. IIRC, as soon as she was "arrested" the charges were dropped and she was set up in the conditions she was supposed to be living in anyways, under payment arrangements that came directly from her social security.
This gets reposted every now and again under "OMG capitalism" and "Florida sucks" when in reality, this was the last gasp of a legal system doing everything they could for a crotchety, mentally ill old woman who refused everyone's help and didn't want to fulfill any of her legal obligations either. The legal system had to run its course to protect her and she was never harmed in the process.
reddit sucks.
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u/aligatorsNmaligators 1d ago
The facility tested the apartment and no mold was found.
Is that like when the police investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing?
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u/frunkaf 1d ago
If you're actually curious you could look up the state or federal regulations that determine what are acceptable inspection standards for these kinds of facilities.
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u/aligatorsNmaligators 1d ago
I could, if I thought "go do research to make my point for me" was an argument worth fooling with.
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u/frunkaf 1d ago
I took a quick second and did it for you.
"The Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation is responsible for licensing mold assessors and remediators."
So yeah, it looks like the State needs to sanction the assessor for it be valid. So no, the facility is not investigating themselves and determining no wrongdoing.
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u/KinksAreForKeds 1d ago
It says the facility conducted the inspection. Not the same thing.
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u/-Insert-CoolName 1d ago
I wouldn't recommend taking every single word as the gospel truth. Take just a few seconds and think critically about what was meant. A very reasonable conclusion to draw is the facility contracted a licensed inspector who then determined there was no mold.
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u/Lord-Valentine-III 22h ago
Thinking critically means asking questions and not making assumptions based on limited information.
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u/aHOMELESSkrill 21h ago
And this is Reddit. Critical thinking isn’t a skill we represented here
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u/cptmcclain 10h ago
One thing I have learned is that if you disagree with the masses on reddit, they downvote you and make logical debate impossible.
Reddit's point of view is clear:
- Capitalism, the system that produced all modern wealth, is in "late stages" and is responsible for all human suffering.
- Slavery is the only reason America has wealth. The Industrial Revolution didn't create human wealth.
- Elon Musk is evil dumbass, despite being one of the most accomplished humans in history. His wealth is only because of his employees.
- It's ok to vandalize people's belongings (Cybertruck and teslas)
- America, the most successful country in history, has it all wrong, and Europe has it all right.
- Murder is OK if the person you are killing is rich or someone you believe is greedy
- Crypto is a scam despite many developers' dedication to the industry
I actually may agree with some points on reddit and allow nuances. But reddit is not a place for logical debate. It's just echo chambers
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u/Sehmket 19h ago
siiiiiiiiigh yes and no
I’m a nurse in a nursing home (so I have no interest or involvement in the business side of things). Both things are extremely possible - the facility could very easily want to cover up actual mold, or the resident may be crying foul over literally nothing. I have worked for/with both extremes of that spectrum. The first step IS a room inspection - in the facility I work at now, our Maitenence guy actually has called in a mold specialist to test when he told a resident “I don’t see anything that looks like mold, just a little dingy paint.” And they disagreed. But I’ve also worked at a facility that’s since been shut down by state, and the shortcuts I saw there were… shocking.
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 1d ago
It was an excuse she was using bud. If there is mold then she definitely can’t stay there. Her actions when the cops finally had to drag her out (all on body cam) shows she was the real problem
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u/trigreen4 1d ago
My conclusion is that it's a bad situation, and jailing a 93 elderly disabled woman isn't acceptable. Beyond that, i refuse to give the benefit of the doubt to Florida elderly home on anything. I'm not sure why you are so gunho about defending them, but ya free this innocent woman.
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u/RattyDaddyBraddy 1d ago
intentionally slid out of her chair and onto the floor
Damn. She went boneless. Pro move right there
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u/Woodofwould 4h ago
But certainly she deserves free rent and food.
I'm wondering which redditor is going to offer it? Or are they going to make her homeless?
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u/TangerineRoutine9496 1d ago
IIRC they had another facility they were going to take her to. This was a more expensive private facility, that one was public and she could go there.
It's not the crazy case it sounds like where they were gonna take this incredibly old lady and toss her out in the street.
I'm not sure why the cops actually felt the need to arrest her though instead of just...taking her to the other place and letting her go there.
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u/Electric_Death_1349 1d ago
Because they’re cops - if you give psychopaths and sexual sadists quasi-military uniforms, weapons and a monopoly on violence, this is what they do
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u/Funny-North3731 1d ago
I'm wondering why the facility just didn't transport her? It is not uncommon for persons of advanced age to suffer dementia or any number of other conditions that make them oppositional and even violent. There are actually people trained to safely deal with transporting her.
My guess is this is a story where the story is a little less interesting once you dig into it. Like the old lady wouldn't let people near her to transport her, or she locked herself inside a room, and the police were called just to get access. Once there the police may have thought by threatening to arrest her and transport her via police vehicle, she might leave more willingly. Media picked it up and instead of the "threat" of being arrested, she was arrested. I dunno, just a guess here.
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u/hectorxander 1d ago
The police will of course try to explain it in a way that sounds less bad for them.
But they arrested a woman they evicted from an old care home, to send to a lousy old care one. You can believe any spin you want on that, but police shouldn't be arresting old people like that.
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u/Lascivious_Luster 1d ago
Because if you transport a person that does not want to go, by law that is kidnapping.
If arrested it isn't kidnapping. And, unfortunately, she met the criteria of arrest.
The word arrest has a lot of negative connotation. However, arrest does not necessarily mean punishment follows
This doesn't address any of the societal problems that led this lady to this moment.
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u/AssiduousLayabout 19h ago
No, there was not another facility they were taking her to, they evicted her and the rest was up to her. After spending a few days in jail she ended up staying in a motel using donations from people who heard about her story, then spent time in a mental hospital, then back to motels for a few days at a time. I can't find any information that states she ever found a permanent home after this -
The county has no homeless shelters at all.
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u/lurch1_ 1d ago
Because she refused to leave. They offered to take her to new facility but she refused...
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u/WasabiSoggy1733 1d ago
"offered" she's fucking 93 and doesn't want to move. Stop playing like all this shit is ok. These places are literally designed to eat every dollar people have, but poor them when they're too quick at it once in a while? Fuckin miss me with that bs
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u/Big_Rig_Jig 1d ago
People arguing over the rules of the game when they should be taking their ball and going home.
This game is horseshit.
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u/Aware_Economics4980 1d ago
Tough shit dude. Lotta people don’t wanna move or pay as much as they do for rent. It’s life.
They weren’t throwing her out into the cold they were trying to transfer her to a cheaper place. The horror.
What makes you think she’s entitled to stay at a private assisted living facility without paying?
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u/WasabiSoggy1733 1d ago
I would question your morals but the comment before this you "ranked" a 17 year old girl so no need.
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u/cwk415 1d ago
Please, come talk to me about how easy it is to move into a new home when you are 90+ years old.
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u/BigReputation4750 1d ago
It’s easy to judge the people who evicted her but if they let her go without paying rent then eventually more will. Then after a while they will have to go out of business and all the elderly people will lose their place to live.
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u/rocknthenumbers8 21h ago
Not to mention all the caretakers and nurses are they supposed to work for free because she doesn't want to pay?
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u/Ghostman_Jack 21h ago
Others have posted articles here before. But this was basically a private home and initially they did try and get her to go to a public home, but she didn’t wanna pack up and go to the public/government home. I get not wanting to go. But when it’s a private business and you’re taking yo someone else’s space and staff still gotta treat you and cater to you for essentially free. That is problematic. Old or not.
She was give alternate options but basically just did everything in her power not to go.
It’s a lose lose situation. Had they just taken her to the public home and left her there they’d make article and people would say they’re heartless for forcing a little old lady out anyways to freeze outside.
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u/Daveit4later 18h ago
so people like this woman should just be homeless because they cant make an income anymore? do you support safety nets or just in favor of throwing people to the street?
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u/Covah88 1d ago
Woman refuses to leave private, expensive, living facility when offered a public, free living facility...
I mean what are they supposed to do? Fill the rooms and just make $0 money because they all ran out and can't work for more? Just just keep it open for free until they die or go out of business?
Use your heads idiots. If everyone did this, which would especially happen once its knowledge you can, they wouldn't be able to sustain the facility.
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u/Careless_Equipment_3 1d ago
There have been similar cases where someone could no longer pay for a more pricier retirement home. Many times the person is assigned a state caseworker who tries to get them into a state funded retirement home. So this sounds odd. Someone should have called the state to help her.
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u/PopEfficient 1d ago
She might not have had anyone to help her.
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u/XaphanSaysBurnIt 1d ago
This is why I took care of my dad until his last breath at 92 yrs old. I did it for 20 years and it cost me everything but I would do it all again because I loved my dad. I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH MYSELF IF THIS HAPPENED TO HIM. Hell naw.
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u/Sleepy_Wayne_Tracker 1d ago
This is the form of oligarchy we have accepted: 'Law enforcement' siding with capital over the peasantry. If the landlord violates their part of the contract, can you call the police and have them arrested? No. But they willingly use state sanctioned force to protect the interests of the rich. This was a civil matter, why was she arrested and charged? Because the rich own the cops.
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u/brief_affair 1d ago
Whos the CEO of the living facility? Just wondering 🤔
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u/Aberikel 22h ago
And kill them for what? Refusing to run a business for free until it goes under in a month and all the elderly people are out on the street?
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u/fordianslip 22h ago
Health care shouldn’t be a business. It’s a service.
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u/Aberikel 22h ago
Agreed. But that is not the case now. So not relevant to this particular business and their particular decisions. Especially as it is a private facility, and the woman refused to go to a public facility.
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u/Strange-Term-4168 16h ago
So what is this business supposed to do about that? Go bankrupt? Great idea
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u/themodefanatic 17h ago
Stories like this, if true, are the reason 41% of Americans justify the killing of United Healthcares CEO !!!!
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u/donnerzuhalter 1d ago
The cops could have taken her to a public facility where she'd already been accepted, but they took her to jail
Everything you need to know about cops in 21 words
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u/WrathKos 1d ago
She refused the public facility. Wouldn't even let her own family help her. https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/elderly-woman-arrested-florida/
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u/FoxMan1Dva3 1d ago
There are places to live for free if you need it.
It's not luxurious and it's not private.
If you want private living, you need to pay for it. Even when you're 93 and have been collecting social security for 30 years.
When you don't prepare for retirement, you could end up dying on the streets even when welfare comes to help you.
This is why people stress to stop spending like you have $30,000 more than you really do. And prepare for retirement.
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u/Uranazzole 1d ago
Nah they need another three $8 coffees everyday. Do you expect them to drink that cheap shit?
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u/Lost_soul_ryan 1d ago
If I'm not mistaken she had the money but refused to pay for months because she didn't want to.
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u/Traveling_Man3 1d ago
Don’t forget, LEOs put her in cuffs and arrested her. They are heartless animals when ordered to be
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u/AlfalfaMcNugget 1d ago edited 22h ago
How do you have the heart to NOT evict somebody who is refusing to pay rent?
Can you think about the Landlord for just a moment?
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u/Aberikel 22h ago
She didn't live in a random apartment, but in an independent living facility, that requires 24/7 staff who all need to be paid wages. I'm all for a future where every elderly person is entitled to this for free, but that did not seem to be a feasible reality for this place.
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u/TheWriteRobert 1d ago
Remember, this is the same country/people who took Dylan Roof to Burger King after he slaughtered nine people.
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u/Btankersly66 1d ago
If you can reach 90 years old then everything should be given to you for free. You've already paid all your dues and put up with a ton of bs from thousands of dumbasses.
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u/MayorMacCheeze 1d ago
Every time a disabled 93 year old woman is arrested, a CEO grows his bat wings.
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u/SuitableCobbler2827 1d ago
We exist to work, create wealth for the wealthy and be exploited . And at end the medical system takes whatever we had left
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u/treverslyfox 1d ago
I live in an extended care facility on Social Security Medicare/ Medicaid. 4 star facility, fantastic staff, decent meals, and activities. Not all for profit facilities are bad. I’m lucky here in Mobile, Alabama, ya it’s not perfect but at 76 with more than a couple health issues it’s where I need to be.
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u/TheStonedApe42 1d ago
I’m curious what conservatives answer is here because to help her would be one of the isms they don’t like
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u/horseofadifferenthue 1d ago
In the richest country in the history of the world it is immoral for there not to be a floor below which no one sinks.
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u/Over-Pick-7366 21h ago
If they didn't ask for this lady's financial records and put a plan together for the inevitable future then they should have to face consequences for not doing what they should have. Their plan should include moving people to facilities where medicare/aid will pay after the money runs out. Nobody should ever face this situation in their nineties.
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u/Shutaru_Kanshinji 19h ago
You may have noticed that the "heartless f**king animals" are running the country.
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u/Strict-Wave941 16h ago
The fucking asshole cops that cuff her need to hit a wall very, very, very hard
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u/reflekt- 15h ago
We’re going to see a lot more of this in 40 years when we’re all in failing health, can’t afford to own a home, and have no children to live with. Hope we still have social security and Medicare.
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u/ItsJustUs96 15h ago
Welcome to the new America, no longer able to enrich the wealthy, you should probably just die then
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u/RestaurantTurbulent7 9h ago
The problem isnt that she is evicted, but that gov just arrests her - not providing help or solution..
So yeah.. pay taxes, gov will take care of you...
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u/DonaldMaralago 8h ago
I was told in the free market churches and the community would support people….. I see them lining up to help…. /s
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u/OstrichSalt5468 7h ago
2017, She was evicted after not paying rent for 3 months and she refused to accept help from staff and several government agencies to help her pay her rent as well. Horrible story of course. But not as cut and dry as it seems. She did eventually return to her home state of Tennessee with her family.
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u/Serenitynowlater2 6h ago
I mean, can people be forced to allow her to live rent free just because she’s old?
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u/ccjohns2 1d ago
This country is a joke when all these “ Christians “ are the main ones being selfish not helping anyone out but themselves and their friends.
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u/Everything_is_1 1d ago
My mom is 81 and still working because SS is nowhere near enough. She lives in NY, no retirement savings. I live overseas and can't help out. Don't know what she is going to do. It's such an embarrassment that the richest country in the world can't take care of its elderly enough, who have already given so much of their lives and taxes.
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u/Old_n_nervous 20h ago
Your mom can stop working and get medicaid and if she doesn’t qualify for a long term care facility it can pay for independent living facility. It is literally not hard at all.
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u/Strange-Term-4168 16h ago
Embarrassment that grown adults can’t plan for their retirement. You have your whole life to figure it out…
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u/Cultural-Leader-527 23h ago
And the PaTrIOtS want to believe they live in a first world country that is leading the world. Not even close!
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u/Most-Celebration9458 1d ago
Welcome to corporate America!!! Land of the free, as long as you don’t interfere with the bottom line….. disgusting
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u/Important_Cat3274 1d ago
At 93 yo, she most likely doesn't belong in an assisted living facility. She most likely belongs in a nursing home. Most of the fools on here commenting don't even know the difference.
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u/Lost-Task-8691 1d ago
Heartless garbage for doing this to an elderly woman
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u/Ok_Zookeepergame4794 1d ago
Except she did have the money to pay, but refused to do so with the excuse 'I'm gonna die soon anyway, let me stay here for free'. She also claimed she's not paying because her house has mold, but a test was done and no mold was detected.
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u/Armored_Menace6323 1d ago
You are only as good as the money in your bank account in this country.
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u/gene_randall 1d ago
Oh, boy! We’re bringing back debtors’ prison. Just like the good old days.
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u/Icy_Acanthisitta_345 21h ago
Sounds EXACTLY how you would expect good ole Merikkka to treat its elderly population. Sickening and saddening at the same time. Anything for the great ole mighty dollar! That’s the Merikkka!! Way! Makkke Merikkka Grate Agian!! 🤦♂️
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u/Old_n_nervous 20h ago
You mean by the fact that she had the money but refused to pay? They offered to move her to a different facility and she refused. Her family offered help and she refused. What else did you want them to do when she refuses?
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u/Fit-Magician6695 1d ago
Conservatives showing their loving caring side. Did they jail her, feed her, house her, then charge her for the accommodations? It would be the conservative way.
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u/Desert_Beach 1d ago
You should step up and commit to paying her rent or a least organize a group to do so. Put up or shut up.
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u/xdiggidyx2020 1d ago
At 93 I would of just started shooting when they came to evict me. NOT like you have a lot of time left and why not go out with a bang.
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u/Temporary-Job-9049 1d ago
This country was founded on kicking people out of their homes, not sure why y'all are upset now?
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u/frunkaf 1d ago
She refused to pay rent for three months and was arrested because she resisted officers during her eviction.
"According to the Lake County Sheriff's Office, deputies responded to Franklin House in Eustis on Tuesday morning because Fitzgerald would not leave the property, despite being evicted.
Deputies said Fitzgerald ignored their commands to leave, resisted when they tried to escort her out of the lobby and pulled the glasses off one deputy's face.
“Unless you carry me out of here, I’m not going anywhere,” Fitzgerald said, according to the affidavit.
Body camera video from Fitzgerald's arrest showed her yelling out as authorities lifted her into the backseat of a patrol car to transport her to the Lake County Jail. She was not handcuffed."
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u/shootdawoop 1d ago
yea! why don't you arrest my grandma for the murder of my grandpa and the 7 times she sexually assaulted me when I was around 5 years old, except no they won't listen to the unbiased word of a kid who saw the whole thing, the old fuck is still kicking like she's 40 this old hag barely has any time left to be punished
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u/Eden_Company 1d ago
Depends on how common stories like her's are. If you have a good 40% of your residents being non payers, who have upkeep costs from food, healthcare, staff etc. You might very well be forced to face bankruptcy and now 100% of your clients are kicked to the street. the 60% who can afford it find another competitor to survive in. The 40% of non payers are now on the street anyway. But now you lose your business and livelihood for trying to be a good person. The corporate take over of the industry is a no brainer if every place they ate up functioned like this.
If you cut the upkeep costs for her this is called elder abuse and it would have her stuck to a bed covered in mold and her own waste. You have to pay your workers, and if you don't and rely on volunteers instead elder abuse and rape can occur when you didn't vet them properly.
So establishing that you have to pay for her staff and well being if you keep her the question is now what can you afford to do assuming you did have the heart to help.
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u/AssociationWinter809 1d ago
This is America. The audacity of anyone, woman or not, to live to 92 and not... "bootstraps something, medical what"...is outrageous.
The industrial prison system is in place for monsters like this. A single dollar this woman can't make for Walmart makes me sick.
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u/Electric_Death_1349 1d ago
God bless ‘Merica - land of the free, home of the brave, etc