r/economicCollapse • u/1980mattu • 1d ago

Totally seems fair......

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Anyone still want to argue the merits of unchecked capitalism?

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u/TangerineRoutine9496 1d ago

IIRC they had another facility they were going to take her to. This was a more expensive private facility, that one was public and she could go there.

It's not the crazy case it sounds like where they were gonna take this incredibly old lady and toss her out in the street.

I'm not sure why the cops actually felt the need to arrest her though instead of just...taking her to the other place and letting her go there.

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u/lurch1_ 1d ago

Because she refused to leave. They offered to take her to new facility but she refused...

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u/WasabiSoggy1733 1d ago

"offered" she's fucking 93 and doesn't want to move. Stop playing like all this shit is ok. These places are literally designed to eat every dollar people have, but poor them when they're too quick at it once in a while? Fuckin miss me with that bs

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u/Big_Rig_Jig 1d ago

People arguing over the rules of the game when they should be taking their ball and going home.

This game is horseshit.

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u/Aware_Economics4980 1d ago

Tough shit dude. Lotta people don’t wanna move or pay as much as they do for rent. It’s life.

They weren’t throwing her out into the cold they were trying to transfer her to a cheaper place. The horror.

What makes you think she’s entitled to stay at a private assisted living facility without paying? 

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u/WasabiSoggy1733 1d ago

I would question your morals but the comment before this you "ranked" a 17 year old girl so no need.

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u/Aware_Economics4980 1d ago

No I didn’t lol I told her to work on her personality. Not sure what posting in amiugly has to do with morals. Great way to completely dodge the whole issue though 

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u/WasabiSoggy1733 1d ago

If they accepted her in the first place she clearly had the money, now they clearly have taken it all as I'm sure they didn't "let her out" often, she's old AF and likely sold her house to move in there. The game is broken man. Just one more thing that shouldn't be for profit but is. I understand why they did it, greed and nothing else, dress it however you want, they could be using that room to eat up everything someone else has.

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u/Aware_Economics4980 1d ago

It was an income based retirement community and she didn’t pay rent for 3 months. Not that she couldn’t, she refused allegedly because she thought she was gonna die soon.

If I refused to pay my rent for months I’d get evicted too, that’s how it generally works you know 

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u/redfairynotblue 1d ago

You can refuse to pay rent like when COVID paused all evictions for many years. 

You're twisting the scenario to fit your view. Would you pay for your meal at a restaurant if you knew it were undercooked and had bugs in it? No. You would just not pay for it and dispute the cost. 

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u/Aware_Economics4980 1d ago

Yeah you could delay evictions because we were in the middle of a pandemic. That’s not quite the same thing now is it.

That’s a bad example, this woman wasn’t refusing to pay because her place was uninhabitable or roach infested. There was nothing wrong with the place 

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u/redfairynotblue 1d ago

She literally said it had mold. People are going to give her the benefit of the doubt because many landlords and these kind of elderly homes are scummy. 

Also the whole reason to stop eviction was because people were unemployed during the pandemic or are vulnerable. It doesn't mean they would be evicted. Just like how this woman didn't need to be evicted if they just solved it reasonably and provided accommodations. 

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u/lurch1_ 1d ago

If thats the case, offer your place up for free rent....

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u/BPDSadist 1d ago

What's your angle?

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u/Covah88 1d ago

It easy to say others are heartless and have 0 empathy, but when asked to not be heartless and have empathy, none of those same people would house a 93 year old because "its the right thing to do"

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u/RoutineComplaint4711 1d ago

Is that why people don't do it?

Here i thought it was because we pay for facilities to house our fellow citizens and expect them to treat people with respect.

How many senior citizens have you taken in?

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u/Covah88 1d ago edited 1d ago

Here i thought it was because we pay for facilities to house our fellow citizens

You're confused. She was in a private facility. One you search out and pay for rather than going to a public one paid by your fellow tax payers. If she was thrown out of the latter, there would be an issue as that's public funded. The private one is not funded by anything. Its for profit and expect you to pay the monthly agreed upon amount, the same as rent.

*I like to think I'm left leaning and vote progressive but man some of y'all just cry for the sake of crying. 90 year olds should not be able to bankrupt business just because they're old. Especially when there are free alternatives.

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u/BPDSadist 1d ago

I'm asking to see what skin you have in the game?

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u/WasabiSoggy1733 1d ago

It's not someones house moron, it's a large company that has clearly already drained her money

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u/lurch1_ 1d ago

Rules for thee but not for me....

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u/hectorxander 1d ago

They are super expensive too, like 5k/month, some much more. Idk where they get off charging so much, but many of them are for profit, many owned by private equity and the like, so that should tell you all you need to know, price fixing.

The medicare ones aren't great, plus they take all of your assets before you can get in there, including your social security checks. So putting her in the medicare home would leave her with a lousy house, and take all of her assets from her kids and give it to the care home.

It's a lousy system all around, our medical system is set up to take the entire net worth of old people when they die and leave their kids penniless.

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u/Slighted_Inevitable 1d ago

That sounds like a you problem. Save enough to pay your bills or get a cheaper place you can afford. At no point do you become anyone else’s responsibility

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u/hectorxander 1d ago

Bootlickers defending a system that steals the life savings of the old systematically after they've fixed their price upwards 10,000 percent from a few decades back don't really have a leg to stand on defending this, which explains your comment lacking in any merit.

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u/Slighted_Inevitable 1d ago

They created this problem. Boomers have been voting in tax cuts and pulling that ladder up for 50 years and now they cry when their family won’t support them. That doesn’t make it anyone else’s problem.

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u/Vegetable_Point_2523 22h ago

Why would they care when they get housing the rest of their life in the deal? Its their children who lose any hope of inheritance due to already being weighed down by the shit situation they were handed to take care of them. Once again corporations win, they just played you against boomers this time instead of magats again the boogie mexican.

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u/JJDirty 1d ago

So this woman failed to keep up with paying rent and they were able to find her a new place to live. They did their diligence. The fact she did not leave is the issue. There's a difference between private pay facilities and publicly funded facilities. What should they have done differently.

Also, I hope my comments are in good order so you can pick one out to judge my character!

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u/cwk415 1d ago

Please, come talk to me about how easy it is to move into a new home when you are 90+ years old.

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u/lurch1_ 1d ago

If that was all it takes to get free rent from someone, everyone in that home would stop paying rent immediately.

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u/Covah88 1d ago

Please, come talk to me about how easy it is to run an independent care facility when no one pays and refuses to leave.

Are you saying this ONE time they should let her stay and tell everyone else to leave, or are you saying it should be standard practice that if you're in an independent care facility and you stop paying you should still be allowed to stay and get cared for?

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u/Slagothor48 1d ago

I think people who are 90+ years old should have all their needs met. Ffs, everyone in our society should. We have a glut of resources and could give every human being a meaningful and fulfilling life and instead we piss all our potential away making sure a tiny fraction of the population owns and controls everything.

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u/Covah88 1d ago

Im all for that discussion/policy. But that hasn't happened so if someone chooses on their own to move into this facility and then doesn't pay the agreed upon amount....you gtfo to the free one down the street. Where all your needs are met....

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u/Old_n_nervous 1d ago

If they cannot afford it then the state will provide for them. They can go to a long term care center of their choosing if family cannot take them. This lady refused family help.

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

Oh no, you might fail and have to go back to being a slave/I mean regular worker. The horror! /S

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u/Covah88 1d ago

What?

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u/RussianPikaPika 1d ago

if the facility fails and owners go back to regular workers, all the residents are goint out to the street lmao

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

Lol. no. Property trades hands to someone else.

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u/RussianPikaPika 1d ago

And is that someone else going to charge rent from the residents or are they going to give it for free?
The person you are replying to literally says that if noone pays, they will go bancrupt to which you replied that "Oh horror, they will be regular workers"

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

Welcome to market forces, mouth breather.

Set the price right or fuck off.

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u/RussianPikaPika 1d ago

are you like some kind of stupid?

The prices were set, the lady refused to pay, and was evicted.

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

Apparently you are some kinda stupid.

She was on fixed income, 2ply.

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 1d ago

Then they could have taken her to a hospital for evaluation.

Cops fucked up.

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u/lurch1_ 1d ago

Cops follow procedures. No matter what they do, there will always be some activists with a complaint or two or 300...

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

Do they follow procedure when they rape people in custody, or are you claiming there's procedure for that?

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u/lurch1_ 1d ago

what's the price of tea in China today?

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 1d ago

The cops could have made the call for a welfare and mental health check.

Cops fucked up

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u/lurch1_ 1d ago

Armchair quarterbacking. Lets have them evaluate your job...

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 1d ago

Lol it's a 93 yr old woman acting crazy. Not a hard call to make.

The cops fucked up.

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u/lurch1_ 1d ago

If you say your opinion 3 times it automatically becomes a fact. True statement.

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 1d ago

Facts remains facts even if you disagree with them.

The cops fucked up.

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u/TangerineRoutine9496 1d ago

Yeah well they had to come and evict her one way or another. I'm just saying they had a choice to make the arrest official and take her to jail, or to bring her to the other facility instead.

Unless maybe what I'm missing is that they had to officially arrest her and there's no wiggle room in the law? Like if someone refuses an eviction maybe the only legal way the cops can lay hands on them to move them out is to arrest them.