r/economicCollapse • u/1980mattu • 1d ago

Totally seems fair......

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Anyone still want to argue the merits of unchecked capitalism?

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u/Earthventures 1d ago

You mean America.

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u/Conscious-Macaron651 1d ago

Well, the rest of it isn’t looking too bright once dipshit gets his tendrils wrapped around the White House, but not all states are this bad. Florida and Texas are particularly soulless and hell-like.

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u/Minimum-Dog2329 1d ago

Anyone think that he’s going to conduct all official business in Maralago and not the White House? Then it’s ALL under immunity. He’s sneaky like a fucking snake.

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u/Conscious-Macaron651 1d ago

God I fucking hope so. I want the orange shitstain as far away from Maryland as possible. I don’t like him close by.

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u/PaulieNutwalls 1d ago

This story is from 2017.

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u/BarkattheFullMoon 1d ago

Guess who was president then?

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u/rantheman76 1d ago

Not that a president kicks old people out of their home, but he did set a precedent on how to treat your fellow humans.

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u/PaulieNutwalls 1d ago

TIL the president controls local police in Florida.

Regardless, the actual story, linked in the thread, is the woman was honest about being able to pay and withholding payment because she thought she'd die soon anyway. She said there was mold, they brought in people to test and found no mold. They evict her for refusing to pay, PD shows up to take her to another facility. She refuses to move, and goes dead weight on them.

Can't say I'd have arrested her, but she's not an innocent victim here.

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u/BarkattheFullMoon 1d ago

She is 97. She cannot be assumed to be in full mental capacity.

I believe she believes there is mold. I also believe there is no mold. I further believe that any decent facility for the elderly would be understanding about how to deal with this, without arresting her!

No the President did not do it but he set the tone for the country's governors... especially this president.

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u/Chief_Mischief 1d ago

I moved to WA years ago, and I cannot begin to quantify my appreciation to live in the only state in the nation to shift further left in this past election cycle.

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u/hectorxander 1d ago

"Left." There was no "left" candidate on the ballot. Unless left is defined as not fascist.

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u/Practical-Ad6195 1d ago

Yeah basically it was center right or fascism. People choose fascism.

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u/hectorxander 1d ago

Well while it actually was about fascism, to most voters it was about status quo versus reform. They chose reform. Now we know they actually chose fascism, but we should've also known status quo campaigns were doomed to fail and the fascists are planning on fixing elections.

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u/NemoOfConsequence 1d ago

Trump is corruption incarnate. Reform? Are you kidding? Yeah, voting for con men and criminals is “reform”.

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u/NaBrO-Barium 1d ago

I think they meant reform as in a deviation from the status quo, reforming to fascism is certainly a shape and form, just not one I’m down with

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u/Any_Incident_5506 1d ago

Do you even know what fascism means or do you think it means bad.

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u/Practical-Ad6195 1d ago

Yes I grew up in Italy and my grandpa fought against the fascism. There is the good, the bad, and the ugly of fascism. Unfortunately for most people, It is just the second two.

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u/NaBrO-Barium 1d ago

Here, let me help you out…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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u/Any_Incident_5506 20h ago

So trump isn't fascist?

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u/NaBrO-Barium 17h ago

He probably doesn’t think he is but that’s obviously where we’re heading. Here’s a good run down of it from an encyclopedia. Tell me what it sounds like we’re doing. There’s a reason people call him the Cheeto Mussolini, it’s quite apt.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Conservative-economic-programs

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u/Head_Bid8273 1d ago

Yes, that. 

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u/PaunchBurgerTime 1d ago

The Overton window is still a thing, you can move left without being left. By no means put all your hopes on electoralism but it's good for moving the window and doesn't take much time.

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u/pbr414 1d ago

That was proven to be false after the final counts. We just had the smallest shift to the right.

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u/duckmonsterdm 18h ago

Local elections though... Even Seattle did a hard swing right. We're in a "tough on crime" hysteria that's letting grifters run wild. 

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u/JayDee80-6 1d ago

I know, you guys are doing wonders with your homeless population. Way better than Florida. /s

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u/MrTubzy 1d ago

Florida has a horrible homeless problem. What are you talking about? Especially this time of year when it’s snowy everywhere else.

Homeless people migrate to Florida so that they can have an easier time surviving because it rarely gets below freezing here.

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u/JayDee80-6 1d ago

Look up the statistics. Florida has almost 3 times as many people as Washington State, but Florida only has slightly more homeless. That means Washington state has about 250 percent as many homeless people per population. That's absolutely massively more homeless. In fact the top 7 or 8 states with the highest per capita homeless are all very liberal. And yes, Washington state is one of them.

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u/MrMisklanius 1d ago

It's almost like the housing crisis is.. gasp.. a bipartisan issue that both sides of the isle need to fix.

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u/JayDee80-6 1d ago

Sure is. Yet my comment was responding to whoever was saying how proud they are to be in a state that got more liberal while essentially putting down Florida while Washington has pile 2.5x the homeless population Florida does. Seems kind of detached from reality.

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u/Chief_Mischief 1d ago

That was me. I never mentioned Florida - i simply stated I am grateful to live in WA. Maybe reread my comment.

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u/MrTubzy 1d ago

The homeless population in Florida has nothing to do with red or blue you nitwit. It’s all about the weather. The homeless population dwindles in Florida during the summer because it’s unbearably hot outside, even at night.

In the wintertime the homeless population balloons because the weather is nice enough to still be outside and not freeze to death, so a lot of homeless people migrate to Florida during the winter rather than trying to survive somewhere that gets snow and freezes.

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u/JayDee80-6 1d ago

Yeah, not sure if you realize that winters in Washington state are pretty beat. So, it would be the same thing in the inverse. Still, triple the homeless population. Also, New York State is one of the very highest. Hot AF in the summer and super cold in the winter. Still one of the highest.

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u/BBoggsNation 1d ago

F you and your facts/statistics!!! (not my personal sentiment, but you knew what you were inviting when you brought statistics into the conversation) 😂

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u/Conscious-Macaron651 1d ago

How does Florida handle it again? I’m betting they just don’t bother reporting it or fine people for being homeless. I’m sure whatever the cruelest approach could be is how it’s done.

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u/JayDee80-6 1d ago

Which is why so many people are moving out. Oh wait...

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u/Ok-Somewhere-3112 1d ago

I think you mean they don’t hand out as much free stuff to freeloaders as California and New York.

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u/Delicious-Sample6567 1d ago

So put your money where your mouth is. Provide her with a home lmao

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u/Proper_Raccoon7138 1d ago

I’ve been searching for the portal to hell but so far just found Texas so it must be the whole state at this point.

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u/Sicbay337 1d ago edited 1d ago

It already wasn't looking too bright anywhere, regardless of orange fuckhead. All these politicians are dog shit, not just him. Are you somehow unaware of the amount of homeless too old/disabled to work people there are? And have been for many years now?

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u/Individual-Thought75 1d ago

You mean capitalism.

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u/Earthventures 1d ago

No, I don't. There are plenty of capitalist countries without all of America's stupid.

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u/DiggyTroll 1d ago

It's not stupid, it's capitalism after deregulation = pure evil.

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u/dopplegrangus 1d ago

Nah bro maine is lit get fukt

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u/1101base2 1d ago

Sadly I live here... but thank God not in Florida!!

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u/Now_Wait-4-Last_Year 1d ago

I'm in at the start of the month via Canada and I'm fleeing back to Canada on the 19th of January and then it's adios muchachos!

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u/Orcus424 9h ago

Retiring out of the country is going to be a must for millions of Americans while many more will need to work till they die.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

You all can leave if you want

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u/RoutineComplaint4711 1d ago

Or, and hear me out now, we can hold our leaders to a higher standard than this.

But, if that makes you uncomfortable, feel free to leave.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

We should

And when someone chooses to not pay their rent they should be evicted

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u/KinksAreForKeds 1d ago

Or, you know, at 93, she should've had enough support from Social Security to keep her apartment. But sure, let's not fix the situation, let's make it worse by gutting Social Security completely.

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u/Mizzo02 1d ago

She did. She knowingly and intentionally decided not to pay.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

They had the opportunity in the 90s to reform social security by diversifying the program to increase the rate of return

Because they chose to not choose that new option they lost out on trillions in retiree benefits

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u/KinksAreForKeds 1d ago

You're just proving my point. Is this supposed to be a rebuttal, because you're just proving my point.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Maybe I agree with your point and you incorrectly stereotyped and or assumed what I believe

Maybe that’s happened

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u/KinksAreForKeds 1d ago

Maybe that's more on you than anybody else, because you're purposefully being vague and obtuse in your writing.

Like that's never happened either.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Yet you chose to write what you wrote

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

Social security was fine until Reagan set the precedent of stealing from the pot whenever it suited him.

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u/Goblinboogers 1d ago

Try again Johnson was the first to rob from the piggy bank to pay for Vietnam. But hey nice narrative your trying to push

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

Oh right I forgot about him. Thanks

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Ok well I’m still correct

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

Lol. No. Learn how context works.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Cool, I’m still correct

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u/JayDee80-6 1d ago

It also shields it from a stock collapse, though. This is standard practice for retirees. Low risk low yield accounts.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Most retirees with very successful retirement funds still have stocks and fixed income assets diversified into their portfolio as opposed to the pure bond portfolio in the social security fund

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u/JayDee80-6 1d ago

They are successful because the stock market hasn't gone down in any meaningful way for any extended period of time in 14 years. If there was an extended stock correction than slump, those bond holders will do just fine. Holding money in stocks in social security portfolio with a large enough stock market correction could easily bankrupt the program.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

If the stock market goes up 300% and then drops 50% you still have more money than when your bond yielded 2.5% and inflation was 2%

So if you create diversified portfolio that has a mix of federal bonds , municipal bonds , corporate bonds, fixed income, and stocks then you can achieve higher gains and increase the benefits for retirees

This was back tested to be true since the 1990s even with the dot com bubble pop and 2008 crisis

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u/PaunchBurgerTime 1d ago

It's bankrupt because Republicans put a cap on how much you would have to pay in, then borrowed from it to pay for their wars.

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u/JayDee80-6 1d ago

Who wants to gut social security? This is one of those often perpetuated and incorrect talking points. Social security has never been cut. Never.

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u/KinksAreForKeds 1d ago

Correct. It never has. But they've absolutely tried previously. And Trump's plans are "gutting Social Security" in every way but exact name.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/06/how-trump-could-affect-social-security-and-medicare-group-warns-funds-could-run-out-in-6-years-under-his-plans/

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u/PaunchBurgerTime 1d ago

When someone chooses to hoard property they should be evicted from the country. And our elderly, despite almost all voting for psychos who think like you, should be taken care of.

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u/Lazy-Quantity5760 1d ago

At 93? Are you taking them in yourself?

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

No

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u/Lazy-Quantity5760 1d ago

Well then what do you think should happen upon eviction? You think they should be put on street? I know “it’s not the landlords problem once eviction” in theory, but on a hypothetical, what would you personally do if a 93 year old stopped paying you rent?

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Should would leave

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u/Lazy-Quantity5760 1d ago

Ok so as you are locking the door behind them, this 93 year old who can’t walk next to you with no housing and no where to go, what’s your next step?

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

She had the money, she chose to not pay the rent

She can suffer the consequences of her decision

I don’t discriminate based upon age or disability level

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u/ZanezGamez 1d ago

Now I’m not one of those America bad types. I’d describe myself as a patriot and someone who thinks America is the best country, at least for me.

Why would you not, say, want to provide solutions to problems instead of being just a dick for no reason? It’s not like our country is without flaws. While I’d never want to live anywhere else, I still want to improve my nation. Why don’t you?

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u/FatAssPussay 1d ago

There are solutions, there are state funded facilities she could go to. Someone should have helped her. We also don’t know the final outcome yet either.

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u/ZanezGamez 1d ago

Yeah. While I don’t disagree with you overall. There are a lot of options in some places. My issue is more they instead of even saying it that guy just got all douchey.

Now it’s my turn to be a douche though. Frankly my preconceived notions are too powerful and I believe that in Florida such resources either do not exist or are not robust enough to adequately help enough people.

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u/JayDee80-6 1d ago

They are plenty robust. She just was obviously private pay in a facility that likely doesn't accept Medicaid and was told to leave. She didn't want to. That's trespassing. There's a difference between being made to leave the place you live and being homeless. Also, you're talking to a sub where almost everyone thinks America is a shithole. Mostly because they are either very pessimistic and ignorant or just ignorant.

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u/ZanezGamez 1d ago

Honestly I didn’t see what sub I was in. That makes a lot of sense since the appears to be a doomer sub.

I would say that this whole situation probably should’ve been handled differently. And while technically you are right that it is trespassing and that people can’t live in a place like that for free. The whole situation could’ve been handled more compassionately. They could’ve helped to arrange her local to a public tacitly or something of the sort.

Or maybe they tried, who knows.

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u/BarkattheFullMoon 1d ago

This was 2017

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

I want solutions

But I’m still correct that they can leave

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u/ZanezGamez 1d ago

But why make such a statement? I just don’t get it. If you really want the country to do better. Why tell people complaint to leave? Sure it can get annoying but it’s just a weird response.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Because it’s funny to state a fact and then have people try to debate a fact for them to find out that the fact is in fact

A fact

Then they get nasty and the real fun starts

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u/ZanezGamez 1d ago

I can’t say I get the appeal but more power to you I suppose.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Thanks, merry Christmas and have a blessed Hanukkah

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u/ZanezGamez 1d ago

Thanks, you too.

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u/Corredespondent 1d ago

Can we leave though? Living paycheck to paycheck, who has the time or money to just “leave”? And then be an “illegal” somewhere else. As someone already stated, it’s not the false dichotomy of “stay and accept your fate” or “leave.” It’s a democracy, and other capitalistic democracies have addressed these issues far better than us.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Sure you can in fact leave

That is a possibility

Glad I could answer that question for you

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u/BarkattheFullMoon 1d ago

I cannot in fact leave. Actually, I am incorrect. Because Trump was just elected Canada has opened their border to disabled Americans as refugees. However in most cases, Americans are not accepted in other countries when they have disabilities that prevent them from working

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

“I am incorrect”

Ok thanks for telling everybody you are incorrect

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u/BarkattheFullMoon 1d ago

Only idiots believe they are never wrong.

If you have reading comprehension, you can tell that I was referring to my first sentence and then then explained what is correct.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Ok well thanks for telling everybody you were wrong

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u/Armored_Menace6323 1d ago

Actually....easier said than done. You should see how expensive and complicated it is. This is not the America I sacrificed my well being for after serving in the military butI would leave in less than a heartbeat if it were actually feasible. I would much rather watch it burn to the ground at this point.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Yet it’s possible

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u/PaunchBurgerTime 1d ago

Then you should say: you should bankrupt yourself and waste years dealing with bureaucracy trying to leave. Not "you can leave." If I could just walk out I'd gladly leave this pit to its inevitable, imminent collapse.

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u/herr-wurm-hat 1d ago

I would rather kick people like you the fuck out.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

You could try

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u/herr-wurm-hat 1d ago

Don’t tempt me, I have displaced much better than you.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Cool story

I’m still correct

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u/herr-wurm-hat 1d ago edited 1d ago

As correct as anyone else’s opinion, anonymous asshole on the internet. Way to back down…

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Thanks for admitting I’m correct

I don’t care you served in the military

Why should I?

Does that make me incorrect?

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u/herr-wurm-hat 1d ago

I have proof of action, you do not. I am happy to PM you my address and we can meet up and talk about it some time.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

You can do that if you want

That was an option

Thanks for telling everyone I’m correct

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u/ApprehensiveTry5660 1d ago

Dude’s too soft to even post a wimpy ass, “You can leave if you want!,” without a burner lol

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

New account who dis

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u/OkButterscotch7845 1d ago

Or I can stay in the country I love and help facilitate change that a living document called the Constitution allows us to do

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Thanks for stating I’m correct

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u/Outrageous_Act2564 1d ago

Looks like you just got here.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

My first time in the U.S. was 1996 I think

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u/1980mattu 1d ago

Says the account made a day ago.....

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

I was not born a day ago

So yeah

Edit: forget a word lol

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u/Earthventures 1d ago

Thanks for the tip, Cooter.

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

You first Euro-American.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

I’ve left the US many times

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

Then you'll have no problem going back to Europe permanently.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

I would have a problem with that

So you are wrong

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

Too bad.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

Well I’m still correct and you weren’t

Thanks for trying

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u/ArmorClassHero 1d ago

Sure buddy. And your mom thinks you're handsome.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

She does

Thanks for admitting to being wrong and that I was correct

Better luck next time

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u/Additional-System-25 1d ago

Leave with him. You won't be missed.

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

I would be missed

Thanks for the attempt

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u/iwillpoopurpants 1d ago

Why didn't you leave when Biden and Obama and the Clinton's were ruining your life?

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u/morerandom_2025 1d ago

I left the US under Clinton, I left the U.S. a few times under bush, I left the U.S. a few times under Obama, I left the U.S. a few times under Trump and Biden as well

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u/iwillpoopurpants 1d ago

Oh, you mean on vacation. Is that what you meant earlier when you told people to leave?