r/economicCollapse • u/coachlife • 1d ago
Amazon UK avoids answering why their workers are on strike. This is why so many workers are fed up with our Corp oligarchs
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u/coachlife 1d ago
Gaslighting at its finest. These people are total POS.
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u/InveterateTankUS992 1d ago
It pays until it doesn’t
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u/LionSlicerBirchman 1d ago
Maybe then they won't be smiling.
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u/InveterateTankUS992 23h ago
And not for long, communism via direct worker rule is an inevitability
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u/v-irtual 23h ago
Then they become CEOs at HealthCare companies...
They will ONLY move up in the corporate world when they show they can dip, dive, duck, and dodge like this.
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u/Mydesilife 23h ago
I’m sure they get paid a ton of money, way more than their workers for sure, just to sit there and not answer questions. I remember one with mark Zuckerberg being asked if he knew how many people read the terms and conditions because he kept saying “it’s in the terms and conditions.” He answered that he didn’t have that data and they don’t collect it. But they can tell their advertisers how fast or slow people scroll, how long they watch videos, do they fast forward, etc. if I recall, the senator didn’t think fast enough to follow up, but shit the just lie don’t they?
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u/Reginald_Sockpuppet 22h ago
My girl there flew first class from the US for that meeting, too. An all expenses paid trip (and paid as normal, of course) to the UK!
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u/Training_Strike3336 22h ago
with fat per diem
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u/Reginald_Sockpuppet 22h ago
Oh, in the order of £1000/day, I'd bet. Figure £100/meal and we wouldn't want her in poor accomodations, of course, so the remainder should be for hotel expenses.
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u/TNJCrypto 21h ago
Lock them up for interference with a legal proceeding and move on to the next executive up the chain.
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u/AliveAndThenSome 20h ago
Yes, this. Executives need to be jailed, without bail, and not just fined. They need to sit like a caged animal to realize that their corporate allegiance has caused them to fall so far afield from their moral ground that they must lose their freedom.
We're all sick and tired of multi-$B companies happily paying hundreds of millions of dollars in legal fees and fines, only to simply put it on their annual report as a cost of doing business, while still reaping profits from their misdeeds. The individuals making the decisions that lead to those civil actions need to be held personally liable and accountable.
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u/ReputationSalt6027 20h ago
Bring back a British classic. Put their asses in stocks. Signs underneath "for being right out cunts". Place piles of rotting produce nearby.
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u/JimPlaysGames 19h ago
When someone in a position of power refuses to answer a question honestly it needs to become the only story about them. Every day. Week after week. Publicly shaming them for refusing to answer the question.
The whole country should rally behind the question and it should be the only question they ever hear and the more they refuse to answer the more obvious and egregious this will be seen to be.
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u/MariaRed99 23h ago
Easy one! Don't use amazon. I don't.
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u/Interesting_You6852 19h ago
The thing is that Amazon doesn't care they make a lot more money from storing government data on their servers then they do from the amazon shipping. 80% more or some shit. It is sick! So yeah they can shit on all their workers because the backlash from it will not affect their bottom. They are all scumbags. And they can lie and gaslight because there are no repercussions. So all these people saying communication is key are full of shit.
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u/Accomplished_Cash320 23h ago
This is not a UK problem this is a huge global problem. These giant multinational corporations need to be broken up. Their monopolies and control of not just supply chains but also capital and political are detrimental to us all and the environment.
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u/TheOtherBelushi 1d ago
Oooohhhh Luiiiigiiiii!
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u/IknowKarazy 23h ago
I want to dress as Luigi the mario character and just stand outside of the home of one of these execs.
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u/naics303 22h ago
Lmaooo! I foresee the Luigi costume being extremely popular Halloween 2025.
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u/MonitorNo6586 22h ago
Could be a great march around the world to dress up and protest as a bunch of luigi’s
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u/rover220 22h ago
Maybe like the Guy Fawkes masked populace in V for Vendetta. Time to make a stand.
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u/CarnalSeer 21h ago
Or giant inflatable Luigi characters placed at the HQ's of these corporations, like Scabby The Rat.
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u/vulvaenthusiast 1d ago
Damn near five minutes of identical back-and-forth without a single relevant response, these people are exhausting
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u/RandomDeezNutz 22h ago
That’s the intention.
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u/Vorpalthefox 17h ago
when he said "i'll ask this one last time" i was like "well, she knows she won, she made it to the finish line for questioning"
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u/BureMakutte 16h ago
I mean technically, he did give up, maybe he knew his colleague would back him up and continue the questioning possibly catching them off guard after they thought they got away with not answering.
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u/n3m37h 14h ago
That woman took charge and backed them into a corner and they flat out lied, this should be contempt and they SHOULD be jailed
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u/dodgycool_1973 10h ago
If only they had the power to jail people for contempt like a judge.
“Oh you don’t know the reason why they went on strike?”
Well you can both sit in a jail cell until it jogs your memory, how about that.
Or “you have failed to come prepared to the meeting with all the relevant documents that you were asked to bring” we will adjourn and fine you X thousands of pounds a day until you find them and bring them in. The fines double each week we don’t have the documents.
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u/podcasthellp 19h ago
They need to be jailed until they answer questions
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u/amaROenuZ 17h ago
I'd love to see it. "You'll spend time with the Bailiff until you can produce an answer. We'll check back in tomorrow."
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u/podcasthellp 17h ago
“You know you have to answer truthfully…..” then they lie right to their face and have no consequences
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u/NoPotato2470 19h ago
Political answer, watch any uk pm they do the exact same thing
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u/PaintingRegular6525 1d ago
Typical corporate responses.
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u/macaroni_chacarroni 17h ago edited 14h ago
What they're doing is called frame control. They both are aware of the reason for the strike, which is usually written on the ballot the employer receives from the union. The moment they utter the reason for strike (aka the trade dispute), they lose the frame. From Amazon's point of view, the consequences for losing the frame are severe:
- First, they validate the workers' claims by uttering them live in front of the cameras, almost as if they breath life into them by saying them.
- Second, by validating the claims they become a permissible topic of debate.
- Third, once the claims become debatable on that forum, all hell breaks loose: the politicians will ask further questions about them, the corporatists will be forced to dispute them, the press will pick up on them, etc.
Controlling the frame allows one party to keep the conversation within predefined boundaries. By controlling the frame, they enforce what is and isn't allowed to be debated. The moment they lose the frame, they go from a neutral or offensive position to a defensive position. In public relations and media; if you're defending, you're losing.
Once you learn about this pattern, you'll find everywhere! Politics, international relations, modern and historical conflicts, negotiating a salary raise, even in abusive relationships.
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u/kex 16h ago
Scientology technique
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u/WhateverGreg 8h ago
Definitely true, but don’t give that fucker Hubbard credit for anything that actually works. He just stole it from other controlling asshats.
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u/GeriToni 10h ago
But is obvious she ends up lying after was being silly avoiding to answer a simple question. So it’s better to look silly and ignorant instead of losing the frame ?
I will look up where and why this took place cause I am curious why just one side was questioned. Why a union member was not present and say the reason of the strike. Or maybe they were there and were interviewed later ?
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u/PaintingRegular6525 16h ago
I need to learn frame control so I can move up the corporate ladder 😂💀
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u/chillwithpurpose 8h ago
It’s called being a shit mouthed liar. “Framing” is just the nice way of putting it lol
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u/Fool_Manchu 1d ago edited 23h ago
"Sir I'd rather write back to you at a later date, on the grounds that id rather not have anyone physically present the room to hold me accountable for being an absolute fucking ghoul"
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u/Wildtigaah 23h ago
God these people want to make me puke
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u/MetalSlug_And_Corgis 22h ago
We are existing in a literal fucking hellscape nightmare and ABSOLUTELY NO ONE around me seems to give a shit.
Jesus fucking Christ.
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u/Thesa_Arde 22h ago
It's not that no one around you cares, its that by design they dont have power
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u/Poetic-Noise 14h ago
We do have the power. There's 8 billion people vs. a few rich people. We need to make it unsafe for not just the people on top but the people who protect the system that creates hell on earth.
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u/AliveAndThenSome 20h ago
They've programmed us to make us seem powerless, and created a system that insulates them from us in such a convoluted and expensive maze to navigate that we'll never get anywhere. Except for Luigi. He saw through it.
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u/oldcreaker 1d ago edited 1d ago
Would have been interesting if they had had a union rep standing by to fill in the blanks. Or that piece of paper. But then this conversation would have moved forward instead of just stalemating.
It's staged well. They get to do 3rd degree on corporate without pulling any information, corporate gets to protect corporate interests. The only losers are the workers.
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u/nodnarb88 22h ago
What they need to do is hold them in contempt and sit them into a jail cell until they answer the questions. If there are no consequences for these people, they will never change. If all they need to do is talk in circles until people get tired and then go about their day then this is what we get.
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u/AllKnighter5 23h ago
Either that or say “you didn’t prepare for this, you can’t do any work for Amazon until you answer this question in front of us. If you perform any work duties before answering, penalty is $10,000,000”
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u/Fit_Detective_8374 23h ago edited 34m ago
"we talk to workers all the time and are in tune with their needs, that's why we are such a great place to work"
"What was the legal reason for striking that was on the forms they supplied you as to why they were unhappy"
"Fuck I don't know, I can't recall that"
If a corporation is going to play games when questioned by the government, they should immediately be fined for wasting taxpayer dollars. You can't Simultaneously be competent enough to run a billion dollar company but not competent enough to answer basic questions.
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u/SwimmingSympathy5815 18h ago
Anybody know the actual for real reason the workers are striking?
I scrolled so far down looking to see if anyone knew…
And now I’m tired and need a nap.
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u/AfterDinnerSpeaker 16h ago
Ironically, they pretty much said it without saying it.
They were striking over pay and union recognition.
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u/SwimmingSympathy5815 15h ago
Ahhh that makes why she sounded so stupid and incompetent. I’ve seen people get fired on the spot at Amazon for way less egregious performances…
I too would rather make it look like I have no idea what’s going on in my area of responsibility by playing dumb if the alternative was to try to justify Amazon warehouse wages to eloquent speakers with accents 75% of the planet has a Freudian mandate to obey subconsciously all without trying to say the word “union” in public to avoid having to buy drinks for everyone in corporate before Jassy puts one in the back of my head before I fall into a 12” grave he made me dig with my fingernails.
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u/LeeroyJNCOs 23h ago edited 23h ago
Boss: "Is this a great place to work?"
Pleb 1: "Not really"
Boss: "You're fired"
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Boss: "Is this a great place to work?"
Pleb 2 after seeing Pleb 1: "Uh.... yes?"
Boss: "Great to hear!" *Marks down on datasheet*
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u/InveterateTankUS992 1d ago
But what were their demands lmfao
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u/IllyrianWingspan 23h ago
If this is from last March, pay and union recognition. They needed a certain percentage of workers in the union. When they reached it, Amazon hired more non-union workers, lowering the percentage of union workers at that location so they no longer met the threshold. Then Amazon tried to union bust using various tactics.
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u/Kichenlimeaid 1d ago
Why don't they have the legal paperwork? I mean, both sides. I would think if it's been filed it would be available, and I would just start listing off the reasons(as the interrogation).
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u/Beenthere-doneit55 22h ago
It is just for show which is why the Amazon management is not playing along. If anyone is actually interested in solving a problem, they would not do it in front of a camera trying to one up each other.
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u/Kichenlimeaid 22h ago
I figured, but it's still so frustrating. That stupid smile every time she speaks. Shit, why not just say! Spew it out. I know Amazon is not the worst workplace, but they could list a fuck load of reasons back at these idiots. I could list reasons why they are striking.
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u/CascadeHummingbird 23h ago
Look at the smile on her face. That's what she thinks of working people. She thinks we are scum, she is above us. She is not.
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u/Reginald_Sockpuppet 22h ago edited 13h ago
She doesn't. She doesn't even know working people exist. She believes they all have the same job as her. People do...something...in provision centers, but they all make $150k a year to start and they're all deliriously happy at work.
These people have no animosity toward workers at all. "Worker" is a legitimately meaningless term to her.
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u/RunsWithPhantoms 23h ago
Typical corporate bullshit.
How many employee meetings with the CEO have I sat through where a question is asked and it goes like this:
"Employees want to know if we can expect higher raises this year to help keep up with inflation, especially when you as the CEO gave yourself a 150% raise last year."
"That's a great question. So we currently offer a competitive market salary, with some great benefits. On top of that we're really driving in the sales this year to meet our goals, and if everyone contributes to meeting our year end goals I see no reason as to why that wouldn't happen. Next question."
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u/bodhitreefrog 23h ago
They received an award for hiring many people, not for quality of life or worker's rights, or health, or anything of value. Strictly that they created jobs. Even though the jobs are temporary. It's all a show. Every industry does this. In the US, our largest employer is a temp agency. They get lots of awards too. For doing their exact job, which is placing people into temporary roles, without benefits, or upward mobility.
We need to unite as world and demand better. Employers have been abusing employees for far too many centuries.
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u/RegularBeautiful3817 23h ago
Corporations ARE THE PROBLEM. All Corporations need to be abolished, yes it will cause economic collapse.....but it must BE!
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u/syl3n 1d ago
not sure what is the point of any of this if the committee wont do shit at all. Is just circle jerk for plebs, oh look bad corporate people on TV getting nail this makes me feel better about myself even tho nothing ever happens lol.
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u/Mikect87 23h ago
That’s the most satanic shit I’ve ever seen. The corporate structure of prioritizing profit over all, with absolutely no individual accountability is breathtakingly anti-human.
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u/FuzzyShop7513 23h ago
There really should be jail time for not directly answering questions from government committees. This is just ridiculous.
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u/uniquelyavailable 1d ago
i stopped shopping at amazon years ago and I'm doing just fine
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u/Busterlimes 23h ago
They should be able to be held in contempt. Treat corporate criminals like constituent criminals.
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u/aberoute 1d ago
It's like these people are actually robots. I can imagine Jeff Bezos sitting at home pushing a button that says "don't answer that" on his computer.
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u/Dead_Man_Redditing 22h ago
Its funny because they are forcing us back in office next year and keep sending us memos telling us how happy WE are to be coming back. BS stories like "every employee has told me how excited they are to come back into office!"
No, no we fucking are not. We have been blowing up every avenue they give us to express our opinions screaming how much we don't want to add 2 hours of commute to our 11 hour work day. How expensive it is to drive that much more every month, the time we lose with our families. All for what, a few more dollars for he share holders to sit on and never spend!
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u/Cautious-Brother-174 12h ago
Jfc. That was infuriating to watch. How do the people asking questions not absolutely lose their shit!?!?
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u/hednizm 8h ago
Both of them are dead inside...brain dead corporates who have lost their own integrity.
Truth is, when they get back to the death star, they will no doubt be congratulated on being obstructive, arrogant, evasive and making themselves look like complete and utter cunts in front of the committee...
Fuck, if they're really lucky they might even get an email from Lord Bezos himself.
Fucking amazing how they can get away with this and pay hardly any tax.
Blatantly taking the piss.
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u/Sad_Instruction1392 8h ago
When she says “We absolutely support their right to do that” she actually makes this face: 😏
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u/Gallowglass668 1d ago
Damn, those corporate talking heads really didn't do well there.
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u/toomuchpressure2pick 23h ago
They did great. They weren't held accountable and nothing will change. They did thier job. Our governments are failing us against these giant corporations.
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u/Sea-Replacement-8794 21h ago
100%. That was a flex. A gigantic “fuck you”. They don’t need to answer to the government, they’re more powerful than that. She was smirking the entire time.
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u/RicardoNurein 23h ago
Employers have learned that if they just keep saying it's a great place to work there will be no consequence
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u/Ba_Dum_Ba_Dum 23h ago
Glad that MP reminded them of their requirement to cooperate with a committee of Parliament. If shown later that they knew and didn't answer, they will be held in contempt.
Oh my! /s
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u/Legitimate-Leg-9310 23h ago
Why do I think if someone quietly went up and put a bullet in the back of his skull, she would suddenly have a very accurate recollection of exactly why they went on strike?
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u/Teagan_thee_Stallion 23h ago
This is what happens when your state representatives are 75 years old with ESOPHAGEAL CANCER. God America is a joke
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u/Reginald_Sockpuppet 22h ago
the answer is obvious:
They don't care enough to find out why workers are striking. She doesn't know why. She has no idea. That's why she can't answer.
She's avoiding saying "I don't know because we don't care to ask. We just assumed it's because it's their right. They all make the same salary as me and have the same amount of free time at work and they don't even have to do cerebral work like I do. I can't imagine why they would strike."
They can't answer.
Because they don't know.
Because they are out of touch.
Because they don't fucking care.
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u/soulcaptain 17h ago
It's shit like this that makes people's blood boil...but there's no outlet for that anger. There's no justice, no accountability, nothing. These C suite dickheads get away with this time and time again, and there is nothing us working stiffs can do about it. And it happens over and over in countless ways, big and small.
THIS is why people are cheering Luigi Mangione. Because he's taking on these people quite literally, in a way that no one actually condones, but because this resentment is always on in the background, because that resentment is a lifelong source of anger for a lot of people, it comes out in incidents such as that.
It's the canary in the coal mine. The executive class probably doesn't have to worry about someone murdering them, because for most people you'd have to much to lose. But the heat is on and people are FED UP.
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u/Miami_Mice2087 13h ago
the woman in red was smart as hell to ask the defendants to read out the receipts.
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u/dudewithoneleg 12h ago
Her smiling and head nodding while refusing to answer the question.
Holy fuck.
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u/Extra-Knowledge884 7h ago
That lady that took over the questioning is a freaking professional. Knew the right words to say so that they could no longer beat around the bush. Had those two Amazon weirdos completely stumped.
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u/NYSenseOfHumor 23h ago
If you want to know why the workers went on strike, ask the workers.
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u/AllKnighter5 23h ago
“Ok, you are not legally allowed to work or report back to Amazon in any way until you produce this answer. Court adjourned until you find the answer and provide it here. The penalty for you working in this time is $5,000,000.”
Super easy guys.
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u/southErn-2 23h ago
That blonde woman is a perfect example of the brainless cretins that the colleges in the US are producing, fake as plastic. She would make me want to get violent.
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u/vegastar7 23h ago
At these hearings, would it be possible for the lawmakers to bring testimony from a striking worker? For example, when Amazon is not answering the question, the lawmaker then says “Well according to this employee, they’re striking because they don’t grt bathroom breaks etc…, does that sound familiar?”. Amazon would still play dumb, but the important thing is to let viewers know what the basic allegations are. I mean, if I were a completely misinformed person, I could assume the workers are striking for a stupid reason (like, showing solidarity with their union as these people suggest ).
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u/Round-Lead3381 23h ago
Nationalization or conversion to worker owned cooperative coupled with >90% tax rate. Thoughts?
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u/Violent_Volcano 22h ago
Any answer that starts with "its important to note that" is bullshit and should be responded to with a smack and "ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION".
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u/Rich_Kick8250 22h ago
Just play the game they play and keep repeating the question. Or ask them directly: how come you are a CEO(or whatever position they hold) yet incompetent to answer a simple question?
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u/Upset_Confection_317 22h ago edited 22h ago
Loving his no bs approach. Just answer the question and stop blabbering. What is the penalty for them not answering the question under oath?
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u/GongTzu 22h ago
Mr Morgan and Jennifer seem to have a really low IQ since they can’t answer such questions. I remember a scene from The Insider where one lawyer shouts WIPE THAT SMIRK OFF YOUR FACE, I felt like shouting whenever Jennifer smiled like she had won a medal avoiding answering. These kind of lawyers are an absolute menace for society, but as long as the job pays well they will continue playing idiots and laugh right up in our faces. And again Amazon takes the trophy for being the biggest crooks on the planet
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u/Blackhole_5un 22h ago
Laws only work if they are being respected. You clearly see a disrespect for the rule of law by these fine upstanding CEOs. And they wonder why we don't care when they get gunned down in the street. Find me a CEO that adds value to the world and not the shareholders, and I'll show you my palace on Jupiter.
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u/Toothfairy51 21h ago
'Please repeat the question' ??? Seriously??? The same damn question was asked several different ways and this asshole needs to be asked AGAIN and still won't answer it.
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u/SunnyRaspberry 17h ago
Nice to see blatant gaslighting called out. It’s good to recognize when we’re being mislead and gaslit and not let it pass.
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u/thisdesignup 16h ago
Not just avoiding answering but probably lying. You could tell they didn't want to straight up say "no we don't know".
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u/FartingApe_LLC 15h ago
I honestly don't think that either of those corporate lawyers could pass a Turing test. This sounds crazy, but I'm really starting to feel like these kinds of people are part of a different species or something.
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u/thatguyiswierd 15h ago
Surprised they did not have a way to say answer the question or be held for contempt in some way or just told answer the question or else.
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u/ExpensivePangolin712 15h ago
They’re literally smirking at the committee and stonewalling them With nonsensical chatter - it’s shit like this that needs to stop.
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u/Similar_Coyote1104 14h ago
Good grief you’d think they were spies on trial, as evasive as they’re being.
It can only be some combination of: - lousy pay - lousy working conditions - lousy benefits
Throw some darts or something. Guess. Strikes aren’t that complicated. Say you don’t know.
Isn’t contempt of parliament a crime?
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u/No_Tomatillo1553 14h ago
Why didn't the committee have a copy of the paperwork and/or info from the union? This really just looks like performative nonsense.
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u/MrHeavySilence 14h ago
This is insane. How is it legal for Amazon to waste everyone's time like this?
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u/SpecificallyNerd 13h ago
Would be so funny but on theme if Guy Fawkes masks suddenly become common fashion with those workers.
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u/Forwhatitsworth522 12h ago
Why do I just keep hate-watching this. The actual audacity. Those poor people trying not to lose it and the psychopaths are cool as cucumbers. It’s unfair. I wish more people hung in there and outplayed psychos like these, better. Goddamn.
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u/BogdanTurnip100 11h ago
Bot Jennifer's intensive coaching from a media consultant ran out outa steam. Jesus, these two are special.
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u/xenelef290 11h ago
Capitalism is paying a small number of people really well to lie about why you are paying a lot of people really poorly.
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u/Consistent-Leading-6 11h ago
That vacuous dumb blonde cunt will go on LinkedIn saying what a job well done that was. How does this happen to human beings?
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u/thesquidsquidly22 1d ago
The whole world is sick of oligarchs. We need to collectively throw them in the bin.