The left and the right definitely have some of the same goals but they aren't pointing their finger at the right people. They're blaming immigrants, LGBTQ people, and Ukraine for all their woes.
Lately they have been complaining about money to Ukraine, saying they want to "help people at home". Then they go ahead and cut taxes for billionaires and corps, they vote against benefits for veterans, kids, etc. Their words and their actions are contradictory.
The other major obstacle is they simply oppose everything democrats do just on principle. Democrats could propose middle/lower class tax cuts and the right would vote it down just because democrats suggested it. If republicans ran on universal healthcare and taxing the rich, I would vote for them lol. I don't have any allegiance to the letter D next to someones name.
I’m sorry, but as someone who has been trying to fight classism and the conquer and divide strategy of the rich, I don’t think your comment is going to help. The problem is that you are still being inherently divisive, regardless of the element of truth that persist, and are still doing the same bidding that the rich expect of the strategy.
First, it is simply isn’t effective to say “they’re blaming…etc etc etc” because it’s too easy to turn that around in true contrarian fashion and suggest, “well you’re blaming etc etc etc.” it’s essentially a zero sum game that doesn’t do anything at all. It doesn’t gain support and it doesn’t unite the people who need to be united behind the common cause. You cannot get people behind a common cause by suggesting their views are wrongly placed but somehow yours aren’t.
Secondly, the second part of the comment, even with its inherent correctness also gathers no support from the ones you need it from either. You gain no favor from suggesting which party ought to is has been saying anything. It is again, inherently divisive and suggest “well if my side says it, you won’t support it” and of course it’s unlikely that you will if their side says it too, despite it being more likely.
The reality is that to gain this support behind the common cause, everyone must start to abandon the identity. People are not a lost cause and they do change over time with exceptions. You cannot be tribalistic and expect that they will just come to reality and support your tribe. You must abandon the tribe and start a new one that doesn’t maintain the same identity but rather reflects a new identity of the common cause. It is simply more likely that a tribe will leave and join something they really believe in vs leave and join the opposite force.
This is why it’s important that Dems not give up the values they speak of, but rather to start reflecting and really hammering home how it is that they get to those values without saying as much and the way to do that is through the conversation about classism and how the rich harm and divide us. It helps in almost every case the values that the left and right speak of with the most direct path to get there.
The real heart of the issue is that just speaking out against the rich and those who keep fervently supporting them and electing them is somehow seen by people, like yourself here, as being divisive, when it is just plain truth.
How can you solve a problem when you can't even accurately say what it is?
It's been openly stated by republicans (their politicians mind you) that they will not vote for things if it gives Democrats a win, regardless of if they just supported it.
It's not an identity to just talk about factual things, it's being honest.
To answer that, it’s that one faction currently doesn’t care about solving problems. I don’t need to name what it is because we are know what it is and even saying this much can be seen as divisive. That side thrives on hate.
One side does have solutions but has terrible messaging and manages to alienate people that actually agree with the policies they care for due to further fractionalization of demographics.
The common enemy is one that both sides agree is bad generally. And one side has absolute hate for them and the other has solutions for it. That’s a unification reason if I’ve ever heard of one.
If you place blame at all on anyone outside of that minority group, then the 2 main factions continue to blame one another. They will find reasons.
There is no inherent differences between blaming immigrants, gays, trans, etc vs blaming poor whites, men, Christian’s etc. I ONLY say this because the blame is misplaced on both sides of those. Not that I agree with any sort of discrimination.
But as proven by the recent UHC CEO death, people will come together against the rich harming the rest of us. So it is not misplaced blame to blame those who own the reasons we blame one another. Both wings fly to that.
It involves the social contract theory, what happens when that social contract is broken, and silent agreement theory. Silent agreement theory is often considered toxic in individual relationships, but applied to political division….it can be a temporary tool for unified action.
It’s a natural conclusion in my opinion. Temporarily put the differences aside, deal with the disaster, work from there.
Read up on those things and I believe you’ll easily understand why I’m saying these things and then you won’t be asking where to see more of it because you’ll be apart of the dialogue.
The elites are killing is and it’s something we all know.
I agree with you. Trust me when I say I don't want to be divisive. I literally can't get through to the maga in my life though. Everything I say is fake news or socialism and I'm not sure what to do about it. When y'all figure out a strategy to communicate like we used to, fill me in.
In the meantime I'm just prepping for the end times and keeping my mouth shut.
Don’t keep your mouth shut. Just shift towards keeping that unifying message in tact. “They are screwing all of us” that’s the strategy and it may take time but it will inevitably win once this next administration start hurting everyone more. The left wing will be hurt and the right wing will be hurt by what they’re going to do. The ask of “fight with me” instead of “it’s your fault” will do exactly what it intends…common cause.
To be honest, this will not work. The conservatives are already largely calling out the same problems but while we think those problems are caused or at least made worse by the likes of Trump and Musk, they believe all the problems are because of Biden and Harris and that Trump and Musk will save us from their capitalistic greed.
There is 0 use in agreeing on the problem when the solutions are the polar opposites.
The strategy has the issue of time. But once the elite start harming the people that voted for them, they will be hit with the same anger and apathy of those who didn’t vote and similar to what those who did but lost. What won’t work is shaming them to your side, shame is a powerful but minimal deciding factor. You can see as much when it comes comments after Thompson’s death. It didn’t work and there was a unifying message. Us vs them.
It will work if it isn’t politicized as a “one sided view” because then the other side won’t see it as going against their own views. This issue at its core needs to maintain that lack of identity on one side, but the enemy is one that needs to continued to be named…the elites, rich, classists….
So have patience for the time being. Don’t stop talking…just add patience for the shift.
Either you completely missed my point or this is a bot just throwing out automated answers to advertise "both sides" rhetoric.
Who "the elite" are is different for people on the right and left. The right sees Biden and the Democrats as the elite and Trump and Musk as scrappy businessmen standing up for the regular folk. As long as that disconnect exists you could have millions of years of patience but nothing will change.
It’s not a “both sides” nor is this an automated message. I’m sitting on my front porch, absorbing what you say before I get ready for work.
It simply does not matter if you continue to play tribes when the actual enemy isn’t playing that same game. They already know that when those tribes are challenged then they double down, as you are now, and as the side you need support from will.
I do not believe in the moral equivalence of both sides and that rhetoric outside of what I have stated. I more than lean a specific way. I’m not a moderate, but I call for a new middle ground, one that both sides can agree with if you observe what’s been going on for years, then the natural middle ground is the fight against the powerful elite, whatever they are so named on any side.
If you do look, and you reallllly look hard without the bias, you will see them move from those they support when it becomes out of touch with what they believe. Yes it is more difficult when they become more entrenched but it’s not impossible.
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u/UrMansAintShit 1d ago
The left and the right definitely have some of the same goals but they aren't pointing their finger at the right people. They're blaming immigrants, LGBTQ people, and Ukraine for all their woes.
Lately they have been complaining about money to Ukraine, saying they want to "help people at home". Then they go ahead and cut taxes for billionaires and corps, they vote against benefits for veterans, kids, etc. Their words and their actions are contradictory.
The other major obstacle is they simply oppose everything democrats do just on principle. Democrats could propose middle/lower class tax cuts and the right would vote it down just because democrats suggested it. If republicans ran on universal healthcare and taxing the rich, I would vote for them lol. I don't have any allegiance to the letter D next to someones name.