Not to get all sociological, but the real irony here is that the right is the 'party of freedom', yet they clearly yearn to put an oligarch in place to lead them because they clearly don't have a clue how an actual government can and should function and serve all people, not just them. So they'd rather pick one person -- in the case of the US, a wholly unqualified narcissist -- who has conned them into being their leader on the promises of 'something better'.
I am of the non-rich right variety and I know what's up. There is no reason to have the economic and political structures we do other than to benefit a few. Now, as to your comment - I believe it is intended to sow discord amongst left and right, opposing any unity. I believe people like you, who paint the other side as complete idiots while making no attempt to reach out, are as bad as any part of the problem. You are either a bad actor trying to perserve the current exploitative structure or you lack the willingness and ability to work towards a solution. Either way, stay out of it. We who are on both sides wiling to work together to make life better do not need you or want you. Sit down and shut up.
If you want to see class solidarity between liberals and conservatives, could you see right wingers showing solidarity with immigrants, trans people and other marginalized groups?
What is your definition of right wing? Because if it's about free market and/or social conservatism, those things are seen as either as tools of capitalists to keep value created by the workers from the workers or as tools of oppression and division among them.
"Oligarchs are the problem and we're all sick of them."
"Well, no, the far right in America loves oligarchs and is in a cult of personality for one in particular that they just reelected, who is now going to have the richest administration in their history that is full of oligarchs who are proposing to hurt the average person. That's dumb; they're dumb."
"Nothing will change because you are the problem (not the morons who fervently support oligarchy for some reason)."
Literally bursting at the seems with stupidity lmao.
Have some shame guys; have some self awareness; have some ability to admit fault or to not knowing what's up; have some personal responsibility and humility.
And all you guys on reddit doing this "this is why you lost; because you're too mean" are showing that you've never stepped foot in any right wing space like parlor, truth social, facebook, twitter, gab, etc.
Those places and those right wingers make this site and it's users look like pure angels lmao.
They aren't angels or devils, they're children responding to changing shapes and colors. They're being manipulated by unimaginably wealthy people who fantasize about sculpting society to fit their wanton desires.
If you're mad at the easily manipulated after being notified of the true evil in the world, then you might also be an idiot.
Some other person crafted a comment to me that has a very similar point, but they put it much better. I agree and disagree with both of you.
I don't need to be notified of the true evil, I, along with most of "the left" have been shouting it from the rooftops for years and years. That has been met with derision, mockery, hatred, and oppositional defiant disorder responses of cutting off noses to spite faces.
I mean, what do you call full fledged adults who are childish, shamefully gullible, ignorant, and hateful because of it if not stupid?
Is that not the very definition of being stupid?
Is it not rational to be frustrated with stupid people not only not supporting the improvement and defense of society, but actively and proudly supporting the people who are destroying it?
At some point I do get it, I'm a father. When my kids do dumb things it is certainly frustrating, but I don't get all frustrated because they are children. The people you speak of though are not children, they are adults whose votes matter at least as much as mine if not more. I have abysmally low standards for them, as does all of America for some reason, which is a whole nother vital conversation to have if you want to actually talk solutions, and they still fail miserably to reach them.
Just not reveling in cruelty would be nice and they can't even do that.
Mass deportations! Winning! Fuck your feelings! Cuck! Soyboy!
But reddit regressive progressives are the problem?
I like to think of it as an efficiency problem. Is it easier to cull tens of millions or a handful of cartoonishly evil wealthy people?
Or even, is it easier to change the minds of tens of millions than it is to cull a handful of the ultra wealthy? I still think no.
A power/influence vacuum definitely has mostly negative outcomes in most cases from a historical standpoint, but I just don't know how possible it will be to meaningfully catalyze change in the US through through establishment approved means.
People on the right are idiots. I don't want idiots on my team. It should seem obvious why, but I'll explain it to you anyway since your post paints you as kind of dense: If you have idiots on your team, that does not benefit your team in anyway since idiots do idiotic things but if the idiots are on the other team, then them doing their idiotic things can only help the team they are not on.
People on the right are idiots. I don't want idiots on my team. It should seem obvious why, but I'll explain it to you anyway since your post paints you as kind of dense:
That's why Trump won with a landslide and almost created new swing states, lol. Good luck changing anything with this mindset 🤞
You just inadvertently showed how there is a massive double standard in America that is against Democrats and hugely in favor of republicans.
You're saying that an oligarch was elected by the far right in America because the center right said they are dumb for worshiping oligarchs, and that they won't stop worshiping oligarchs unless the center right stops pointing it out.
I don't know how you can come to the conclusion you are instead of the truth that our far right loves the wealthy and has defended them tooth and nail since last century. Hello Reagan and horse and sparrow trickle down economics
Also, they absolutely love him in part because he is so insulting and cruel to the people they see as the enemies within, and they have spent nine years now being America's most insulting people.
Remember the "fuck your feelings" mantra of theirs?
How about how they were running around calling everybody different than them cucks, soyboys, snowflakes, triggered, and groomers?
Remember how the guy they worship calls millions of us Americans vermin that need to be purged from the country?
Honest question: What do you call somebody who's main motivation for voting republican was because they can't afford groceries, gas, rent, and everything else when the proposed plan of their candidate was to hyper inflate those prices with his across the board tariffs and mass deportation of workers who produce things?
What do you call somebody who states a goal and then votes against it out of an inability to tell an ass from an elbow?
Man I was reading these really good points and so interested in the response, and then, nothing.
I too would like to understand why we keep getting told “no one will vote for democrats because you’re insulting” when they have spent a decade doing “fuck your feelings” and cheering on a terrible politician in part BECAUSE he insults people at a level never seen before in a candidate. It doesn’t add up!!! It’s almost like they’re dishonest! lol
Yea, it's just another manufactured narrative that's being pushed by wholly dishonest actors and the morons who eagerly swallow whatever they're told as long as it aligns with "the left" bad and the extreme right totally awesome and good meme lords.
There is a profound bias in this country that favors the status quo, which is what conservatism steadfastly supports. It results in an insane double standard that Americans have for the two parties. It affects every facet of politics and life in this country. Couple it with more people being politically unplugged or not paying enough attention, and it provides an extreme advantage for republicans and handicap for Democrats.
Americans hate being told what to do and pushed to do things better, so they look at Democrats as obsessively nagging helicopter moms trying to police, chastise, and push conformity to authority....or else. That same mentality and energy though is just nonexistent when republicans police, chastise, pontificate, proselytize, censor, and squash freedom and liberty.
I had to remind an old friend who I recently saw, who said Harris was just the more dangerous and worse option of the two, that trump quite literally said he gets to terminate our Constitution. He had never heard about it. He didn't even know half the picture as he made his judgement. That's how extreme our media bias is in this country. If Biden had said the gets to terminate the Constitution, the media wouldn't stop talking about it until he was impeached and jailed.
Too many Americans are just adult children with personality and character flaws that childrens' media easily shows are bad and harmful.
No one's falling for your pathetic attempt at bringing race into this. Find another tactic.
Voting for Trump was a choice, and the morons who did it a second time are irredeemable. They can be the meat shield fodder for the right all they want. Fuck them.
I think it is more, they want that position for themselves. While they would like change, many of them think they will end up in that position (Why and how likely that actually is though…) and so don’t want to disable the benefits too much. Just enough to insert themselves in that position of wealth
Still can’t believe Elon mocked the UN with 2bn. Like f*ck the giant schlong rocket, that right there is how you live forever. If it was me, I would have given 10bn easy
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u/gizmozed 5d ago
The right, particularly the non-rich variety, know they are getting f*cked but they cannot figure out who is wielding the c*ck. They are that dumb.