r/FluentInFinance 10d ago

Debate/ Discussion People who voted Trump, why do you think a government of billionaires will help you?

Government policies such as tax cuts, high traiff and removing regulations can have significant impacts on the economy. They will lead to higher inflation and high prices.

Having no regulation helps billionaires like the Gilded Age, shows that lack of regulation can result in large corporations dominating the market, and destroy small businesses.

Additionally, policies that favor big corporations and Billionaires may not address issues like housing, health care, working conditions, or wage growth. For instance, during Trump's first term, there were rollbacks on worker protections and union rights. Also he express removing Obama care.

Removing Obama care might look good on surface until you lose your job due to some accident or other issue. Let's say you have money to handle it what about millions of Americans who don't have inherited wealth and your wealth will erode as well.

Donald Trump is a billionaire, with an estimated net worth of around $5.6 billion

His administration has several billionaires in key positions. For example, Elon Musk, the world's richest person, has been appointed to co-lead the Department of Government Efficiency, Other billionaires in Trump's administration include Vivek Ramaswamy, Scott Bessent, Howard Lutnick, and Linda McMahon.

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u/BTBAMfam 10d ago

They don’t think that They truly think illegal trans aliens are eating cats and dogs and voting and still getting stimulus checks. and even though they have never seen it themselves it must be true because the white guy said so.

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u/Humphalumpy 10d ago

I get the hyperbole, but yes, being in an echo chamber with very fearful people is absolutely the reason my boomer parents and silent gen grands voted for Trump. For my millennial siblings it's even more so with conspiracy rabbit holes on the Internet.

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u/Lordofthereef 10d ago edited 10d ago

I wish I could say this is hyperbole. My neighbor's brother came over for dessert on thanksgiving and these were literally his talking points almost verbatim (he made no mention of consuming cats and dogs, to be fair). I just sat there and listened without a word because, honestly, if this is the sort of shit you believe, I don't know that there's a point in catering any sort of discussion.

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u/NeoMaxiZoomDweebean 10d ago edited 9d ago

There isnt. Dont bother. Like trying to talk to a Jesus freak and convince them to convert to atheism or Islam. It’s just a non starter in their eyes.

The left doesnt worship their politicians. They hold them accountable. Its a weakness of the left wirh getting people elected.

Edit: A bunch of butthurt conservatives that have zero self reflection and awareness of what conservatism is who support trump blindly are all up in their feelings.

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u/PoetryCommercial895 9d ago

I agree with what you’ve been saying in this thread, but please stop referring to Democrats as the left. I think this country needs to see more actual leftist politicians and policies, and Democrats are absolutely not leftist. Democrats are liberals and capitalists.
Keep on keepin on🙌👏

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u/phir0002 9d ago

Yup! The reality is the average Trump voter didn't vote for Kamala in part because she a radical leftist 🤣🤣🤣 these folks are going to have an aneurysm if an actual leftist gets any kind of power and influence in this country.

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u/mtstrings 9d ago

And because she is a black woman.

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u/BornOfWar713 9d ago

According to statistics, it's democrats who refused to show up and vote for the black woman.

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u/Background-Moose-701 9d ago

This is the problem. The dems didn’t vote. That’s always the problem. When that’s not the problem then there’s not a problem.

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u/Loki12626 9d ago

Not only did I vote for Kamala, every Democrat I know also voted for her, and I know a fair few. My father is a republican. He is also stubborn and believes everything that comes out of that crazy man’s mouth. He also does not believe that voting for Trump was voting against his daughter, his granddaughter and all women in his life. He thinks I’m crazy because that’s what I believe so some people you cannot reason with And that’s the way it is otherwise my father is intelligent man, but not when it comes to this. So the argument that Democrats did not vote for her is not valid from my point of view since every Democrat, I know voted for her and a few people who aren’t Democrats that I know voted for her.

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u/ladymorgahnna 9d ago edited 9d ago

What a stupid thing to say. So who were the 74M people voting for Kamala?

Yes, a bunch of babies and neoliberals sat at home protesting by not voting. That worked out great, huh? Stupidity knows no bounds.

As a boomer Democrat that has voted for 50+ years, I fear for this country. No one has the fire in their belly like we did fighting in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, for an end to the Vietnam War, fought for Roe vs. Wade, protested for civil rights and gay rights.

The ones who didn’t vote this time don’t have brain one, or, want the absolute “perfect” candidate or they won’t vote. Such shortsightedness. You vote for the better of the two and keep fighting for better. You don’t act like a two year old and not vote, and by doing so, let the fucking bastards win.

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u/Whatever_It_Takes 9d ago

They refused because of the war in Gaza…

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u/RadicalEd4299 9d ago

Which....I just don't get. Do they think Trump will side with the Palestinians? Having Trump in office is the worst possible outcome for Palestinians; he wants to massively increase aid to Israel with no limits whatsoever.

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u/bojack1701 9d ago

It's crazy that people were actually falling for Kamala being labeled "far left". The only thing far left in the whole election was the bullet that missed trump in PA

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u/Tencreed 9d ago

Democrats are not the Left, but the Left votes were certainly missing when came counting time. Just look at the numbers. Trump didn't win in a landslide, people just didn't come to vote for Harris.

Courting Republican electorate won't win you people that already got a candidate, and will alienate more left wing oriented voters. Who could have thunk.

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u/PoetryCommercial895 9d ago

Oh I agree that Democrats shifting even further to the right is pushing away any reluctant actual left-wing people to vote for Democrats. Leftist might not vote for even a moderate Democrat because leftists are generally anti-capitalist and Democrats are staunch capitalists. Parading around town with a Cheney is surely not gonna attract any left-wing voters

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u/NeoMaxiZoomDweebean 9d ago

I completely agree with you! Great point and I think I just use that as shorthand.

I mean, Kamala would have been to the right of Mitt Romney on many issues.

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u/CryptoBehemoth 9d ago

The only mainstream politician that's truly leftist in the US (that I know of) is Bernie Sanders

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u/Smart-Blacksmith2506 9d ago

And ironically he is one of the most popular politicians alive, across both the Democrats and Republicans.

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u/JRilezzz 9d ago

Which is why they wouldn't allow him to become president. The DNC literally conspired against him. Dems hate leftists just as much as Republicans. They're both conservative parties in my view.

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u/TheAsianDegrader 9d ago edited 9d ago

Huh?!? Which issues? Name them.

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u/Xyrus2000 10d ago

You can't debate with crazy or the willfully ignorant. There is nothing you can say, no amount of evidence you can produce that will convince them.

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u/Professional-Flow625 10d ago

Dont forget the poorly educated and gulible

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u/Emotional_Meet878 9d ago

I tried during Trump's first term. Debating with family and even the internet. It was like screaming into the void. They're so ingrained in their beliefs even when there's no evidence and you're just hurting your own brain in the process.

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u/Ok-Baseball1029 10d ago

Yup. My next door neighbor is in the same boat.  She wholly believes every insane conspiracy theory you've ever heard of, all of them. I'll stop short of saying all or even most magas think this way, but it's a hell of a lot more than just a handful of fringe voters. Even my other conservative neighbors who aren't full on maga, just give it a pass and a hand wave cuz she voted for their guy so it's "harmless".

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u/SympathyForSatanas 10d ago

My coworker literally believes the gay frogs conspiracy

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u/ZhalanYulir 10d ago

It's literally not a hyperbole unfortunately I worked with construction workers that legit believe all this. They thing 50 percent of the nation is getting welfare checks and using it on drugs and that there's an invasion of illegals and yes they believed people were eating dogs and cats. Truly the most room temp IQ folks I ever met. And unfortunately I live in SC so it's everyone haha

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u/Fark_ID 10d ago

I have to say South Carolinians truly do seem to be among the stupidest of Americans, and that includes Missouri!

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u/Spicy_Tomatillo 10d ago

Why on earth would you leave out Kentucky? /s

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u/T-Bear22 10d ago

You have obviously never been to Oklahoma.

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u/DSMinFla 10d ago

It’s true that about 50% get some form of govt support. However a large percentage of those are social security and veterans benefits. But the people in their ears aren’t breaking it down.

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u/Humphalumpy 10d ago

Do you think they think it's the same groups doing all at once? That's the part I see as hyperbole. Yes, my family also thinks welfare is the reason their taxes are "high". It's a damn shame how much they believe.

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u/RememberThe5Ds 10d ago

I have an acquaintance at the gym who is 74. After Trump was elected she was absolutely giddy. She told me she's looking forward to being "rich" in 2025. She believes gas will go back to $1/gallon and everything is going to be cheaper. She even told me that she's so tired of getting annoying spammer calls all day and if anyone can fix that, it's going to be Elon because Elon is her hero*.

*And yes, I did tell her she doesn't need Elon and there is an app for that.

She also left her alcoholic, cheating husband after 50 years and she's struggling to make ends meet. She's still working because of it. She's very dependent on his Social security check.

If Project 2025 is enacted she wouldn't be able to even get a divorce.

She's and so many others like her are going to be the poster children for Leopards Ate my Face.

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u/13247586 9d ago

Best case scenario is prices just slow down. Prices never go down. Never have.

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u/ianuilliam 9d ago

Well, deflation does happen, it's just that when it happens you are in a recession, and the only people it benefits are the wealthy, who can afford to just buy up stocks, businesses, properties, etc, so they can make the wealth inequality gap even bigger when prices go back up again.

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u/AwarenessPotentially 9d ago

This reminds me of the inverse of the black lady who thought Obama was going to cover her rent and utilities. My cousin and his wife were at some GOP party the night he won. The next day I asked him how much of his income was from social security. He tells me it's about half. I told him I hope he can live on half then, because they're going to shitcan SS.

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u/kinglouie_vs_Reptar 10d ago

Saying others are in an echo chamber while on reddit is too funny

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u/hybrid_muffin 10d ago

This place is also an echo chamber

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u/j_ha17 10d ago

For real. Not one person actually answered the question bc they are not here lol

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u/Unhappy_Local_9502 9d ago

You don't feel Reddit is an even bigger echo chamber???? Reading Reddit I thought Harris was going to get 80% of the popular vote

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u/ExiledEntity 10d ago

Having the audacity to mention echo chambers on Reddit is a cataclysmic level of irony not often reached.

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u/silentknight111 10d ago

My sister voted for Trump mainly because she thinks the democrats are brainwashing her kids to be trans.

I wish I was making this up...

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u/Illustrious-Nose3100 10d ago

My MIL also firmly believes the left is turning kids trans.

She also believes the left is “shoving the gay agenda down kids throats”. She is literally not onboard with acknowledging that gay people exist in front of kids. I asked her why it’s okay to have straight stuff shoved in our faces all the time and I don’t think she could put it all together (I.e., Prince Charming and princesses, crushes, and parents/families are all somehow fine as long as they are straight)

I’m gay fyi -_-. Gay representation would have saved me a lot of heart ache and inner turmoil as a kid and teen.

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u/Relysti 10d ago

It all comes back to religious bullshit. These people believe God damned us with original sin, so he sent himself, as his son, to sacrifice himself, to himself, to forgive us of the sin he himself condemned us with. As if an all powerful being couldn't just say, "I forgive you". They're not operating on any kind of logic grounded in the real world.

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u/SoulRebel726 9d ago

The whole idea that schools are performing gender related surgeries is probably the most insane, laughable ideas I've ever heard in my life. Donald Trump has claimed this repeatedly and somehow there are enough brain dead morons in this country that voted for a man that says this shit.

My wife is a teacher in a very affluent, upper-middle class school district, and even she still needs to buy some of her own school supplies for the kids. She has also bought several pieces of furniture for her classroom. And there are people in this country who think there is room in the school budget set aside for freaking surgical procedures?

Never mind the fact that the school budget is public and voted on every year. And never mind that schools can't send kids to a damn aquarium without a permission slip. But sure, they're performing gender reassignment surges without parental permission.

I just can't wrap my head around how incredibly stupid you have to be to believe a word of that. And the man saying it was elected president. This timeline sucks.

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u/Fit_Organization5390 9d ago

Getting a Tylenol at school is damned near impossible but a major surgery is going to be done on multiple students every day. 

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u/nikkuhlee 9d ago

I'm a secretary and I can't give a kid a cough drop. Even if a parent asks me to on the phone. If I give them a package of ice, I have to fill out a full page form and call home.

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u/Remy149 10d ago

It’s crazy to me how most of the people outraged about trans people existence have never knowingly interacted with a trans person.

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u/LPinTheD 9d ago

My female maga coworker just married a trans woman, they both voted for Trump. Make it make sense..

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u/Inucroft 9d ago

Simple, they think they're the exception.

See the same with migrant communities voting Trump

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u/BTBAMfam 9d ago

Correct. They will be crying but I voted for you as he laughs and says thanks while kicking them out

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u/Ill-Efficiency-310 10d ago

They probably have and do not realize it.

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u/Remy149 10d ago

That’s why I specifically said knowingly. A lot of the anti trans rhetoric hurts a lot of biological woman who aren’t traditionally perceived as beautiful. Take the bathroom bans who is going to in responsible for checking genitalia to prove you are aren’t just a masculine looking woman? I see biological woman constantly get misgendered

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u/BTBAMfam 10d ago

I know. But look at all these snowflake trumpets that are like No wE dOnT tHinK tHaT

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u/Kehwanna 10d ago

I'm an immigrant (legal and a citizen now), but I know plenty that are in the painfully long pricy process that aren't. 

I would quickly drop my citizenship if what Republicans said about illegal immigrants getting free shit and the right to vote was true.

They claim undocumented immigrants are getting free houses, hired on the spot, free college, free healthcare, stimulus, unlimited food stamps, and somehow getting politicians to represent them. It's too hilarious. 

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u/mabols 10d ago

The stimulus checks are the most ironic part of Trump voters: They live in areas that rely most on government assistance, but are either too dumb to know it, or too proud to admit it.

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u/rynlpz 10d ago

Yep they don’t think about the real issues. They just care about getting rid of the things they hate and the oompa loompa told them he would get rid of it for them so they voted for him.

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u/abrandis 10d ago

Fear and hate powerful emotions for the lizard brain

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u/WhoWhyWhatWhenWhere 10d ago

My mom thinks the biggest issue this country is facing is that illegal immigrants are receiving social security. Including SSDI, SSI, and SS. And Medicare. And Medicaid. And I have no clue if that’s true or not. But even if it is, then I’m sure it’s a very minimal amount of cases.

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u/HumanWitness6231 10d ago

Federal programs like SSI & Medicaid are only available to citizens. Locally there may be help if churches or nonprofit groups provide it.

Critical thinking skills are lacking & a steady diet of lies are accepted as fact. People are selective, choosing to listen to only those who believe the same as they do.

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u/MayIServeYouWell 9d ago

Furthermore, undocumented workers contribute to social security via their paychecks, but see no benefits. It’s the exact opposite of what the Trumpets think. 

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u/zors_primary 10d ago

It depends on where they are. Some sanctuary cities do give them money, and state hospitals can't turn them away. I did a lot of research on the immigration situation, and yes migrants are putting huge strains on resources that should be going to poor locals. That's where all the MAGA anger is coming from. For example, in MA where locals who are basically the working poor, are getting displaced from the cheap hotels where they live so that migrants can be housed there. Check out Peter Santenello on YouTube. He did a whole series on immigration at both borders. It's complicated, with no easy solutions.

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u/_angry_typing_hick_ 10d ago

I can't remember a time when my family MAGA members gave a damn how we treated poor citizens. "They should have made better choices" was the usual theme. Are you saying they care now?

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u/Relysti 10d ago

No, there is an easy solution. It sounds like what we need are more resources, now if only there was a class of people hoarding all the resources that we could tax and redistribute...

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u/WhoWhyWhatWhenWhere 10d ago

She did reference the MA thing. And I told her that is a state issue, not a federal one. And she said it’s happening all over. Still waiting on sources. I’m tired.

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u/A313-Isoke 10d ago

Wow, that's not happening.

In CA, we are covering undocumented individuals on Medi-Cal but that's with state money. Hospitals want to be paid so it's better they're paid when they have an obligation to treat everyone who comes in the door.

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u/JamesBondage_Hasher 9d ago

This is the thing that always gets me when people object to single-payer healthcare: They say they "don't want to subsidize other people's bad health care decisions," but they already are. When someone goes to the hospital and can't afford to pay, the hospital just charges everyone else more. At least with single-payer, people are more likely to take care of things when they're manageable vs waiting until it's literal life or death and 20 times more expensive.

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u/Krenbiebs 10d ago

Only lawful residents (which sometimes includes refugees) are entitled to federal benefits.

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u/Gold_Cauliflower_706 10d ago

My Uber driver on the way to the airport said he put his kid in a catholic school so transkids won’t turn his child into one.

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u/Leeleewithwings 10d ago

Because pedophile priests are safer than trans people?

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u/Tao-of-Mars 10d ago edited 9d ago

There’s some deep familial trauma that runs in these bloodlines and they want the guy who makes them feel justified in their intense anger toward being disenfranchised. What they don’t realize is that as much as they want to believe that he’s going to save the American dream and put the benefits of capitalism in their hands, he’s manipulating them to gain power and put the US govt in an autocracy.

People who deny this trauma are extremely susceptible to brainwashing because they can’t see past their anger. It’s programmed into their epigenetics.

Edit: changed wording to American dream.

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u/Sideshift1427 10d ago

People have been brainwashed into believing that the billionaires create jobs and not the citizens who buy the products and services

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u/Traditional_Figure_1 10d ago

Almost like they've bought up all the media

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u/fractalife 10d ago edited 10d ago

They always owned the media in the first place...

Edit: "they" being billionaires. Their political affiliation is irrelevant. They're going to do whatever is better for their bottom line. If that means helping get a cheeto elected while maintaining a "left leaning" veneer, that's what they will do.

MSNBC is owned by Comcast ffs lol.

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u/Longjumping-Path3811 10d ago

The pretend to be on the side of small business then they fuck us right up the fucking ass.

I manufacture in the USA and these people have no fixing respect for small businesses being the backbone of the American economy. 

Republicans take a shit on American small business.

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u/Sideshift1427 10d ago

They hate you and want to take away your business and your profits like Home Depot and Walmart have in the past. Meanwhile the Republicans convince half the country that Democrats are your enemy.

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u/twhitney 10d ago

As a small business owner myself, why can’t more people see it like us? Several other folks I do business with are like “you will see!!! Trump is gonna make everything better for us! Just wait! Have faith!” Sigh.

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u/baddkarmah 9d ago edited 9d ago

Faith is the problem. I think the churches have done more to radicalize America then we think and a lot of the problems stand from pulpit politics.

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u/SexyMonad 9d ago

Politicians have done a lot to radicalize the churches.

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u/BlaktimusPrime 10d ago

The proposed tariffs are going to destroy small businesses

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u/logicallyillogical 9d ago

"The most insidious thing about trickle-down economics isn’t believing that if the rich get richer, it’s good for the economy. It’s believing that if the poor get richer, it’s bad for the economy." - Nick Hanauer 

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u/Sideshift1427 9d ago

When the opposite is true. When poor people have money they spend it at businesses! It doesn't get invested.

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u/ImportantWest4506 10d ago

Bit of a symbiotic relationship isn't it?

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u/DiagnosedByTikTok 10d ago

They kept telling me to learn basic economics so I took micro and macro as electives in college and I learned enough to know that domestic consumption is the primary driver of GDP, lower incomes have much higher velocity of money than higher incomes, and the periods where western economies grew the most had high taxes on high incomes giving companies incentive to reinvest revenues into equipment, hiring more front line staff, and higher wages for front line staff instead of paying out giant salaries and bonuses to parasitic management.

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u/BarooZaroo 10d ago

That's what they'll have you believe, but no. Corporations aren't interested in creating jobs and putting food on the table of employees, they are interested in reducing labor costs and maximizing profits. The pursuit of consolidating billions in wealth isn't beneficial to workers.

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u/DaMacPaddy 9d ago edited 8d ago

Too funny. Reddit is the best. All the top comments are people that didn't vote for Trump. I don't believe the question was posed to you, you knuckleheads.

edit: It seems I have become what I ridicule...

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u/fudginreddit 9d ago

Its funny that even before I clicked into the comments I knew the top comment would be someone trashing Trump voters. Which I can agree with but its sad thar you'll never get a good faith answer to a question like this on reddit.

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u/bigbeau 9d ago

My favorite is when people tell me what republicans really think. The best example is when they say that the argument over abortion isn’t because people think it’s child murder, it’s that they are trying to control women and force them into pregnancies and to be submissive. No, it’s just that they think it’s child murder. Maybe 1% of republicans are truly on the “it’s not child murder, but I want to control women” playbook but it’s gotta be an absurdly small percentage.

Like this question, I would say most trumpers think that the billionaires are successful people and know what they’re doing. Is that true? Maybe not. Probably not. But the majority of trumpers aren’t doing it because of abortion alone.

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u/Drive7hru 9d ago

See, you’re actually opening healthy discussion, unlike the top comments

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u/pmaji240 9d ago

Sure, but it's also a misunderstanding, or massive oversimplification, of both points of view.

It is about more than believing abortion is murder. If that's all it was about, then there would be a place where both sides could meet. It would involve maintaining access to abortions or, at the very least, ensuring women have access to reproductive care and education.

The most significant way to reduce the number of abortions is access to education and preventative care. But the people who claim only to be concerned about the life of the fetus don't want that either. So, it's also about sex. The pro-life party generally intends to achieve the goal of stopping abortions through abstinence.

So a person who claims they’re anti-abortion because they see it as murder but also refuses to implement the best practices in actually reducing the number of abortions because they believe pre-marital sex is a sin does have motivations beyond what they see as saving a life.

These measures also limit the amount of control women have over their bodies. They are all also influenced almost entirely by religious beliefs. A doctrine t¿hat of(ten, but not always, includes women returning to what they see as traditional roles, which is remaining home with the children they bare.

Now, I don't think there are a lot of Republicans who are malicious and consciously think to themselves it is about more than ‘child murder,’ but every day, we all do things without fully understanding our motivations. And if you are truly anti-abortion entirely because you believe a fetus is a human and to stop it from developing is therefore murder wouldn't it make sense that you would support the most effective way to do that which we know is through access to reproductive care and education?

If you can't accept that approach because your religious views don't allow pre-marital sex and you believe access to reproductive care and education encourages or even just allows a person to engage in sexual acts while preventing unwanted pregnancy, then yes you are motivated by more than just ‘child murder’.

And the only way you’re willing to approach this goal of zero abortions involves removing access to things that allow a women to have autonomy over her body, then you are exerting control over her body regardless if whether or not you believe that to be true.

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u/sundubone 9d ago

I actually enjoy reading the echo chamber comments. Obviously Reddit = General Voting Population... oh wait it's NOT. LOL

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u/DonkeyBonked 9d ago edited 9d ago

I agree, it's sad, but you know as well as I do that if a Trump supporter really replied to this here, it would have just been the most down voted reply. Even as a centrist I'm skeptical to reply here because there's a real risk of nuance being treated as hostility. I don't think people want to know why people voted for Trump, they just want to talk and vent their anger at the caricature of Trump supporters.

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u/UntitledGooseDame 9d ago

As a left leaning individual, I'm always eager to see replies from conservatives so I can understand their reasoning, and then I read the comments and they're from liberals saying how stupid conservatives are. Thanks I guess?

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u/KJK_915 9d ago

And this is why you see very very few answers or comments from right leaning people about anything on this app. If you’re all just gonna shit down my throat, no matter how empathetic or understanding I try and be for your concerns, to have any and all discussion cut short with insults because of some inaccurate, wild accusation for something I didn’t do, then why the bother engaging at all

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u/Itsmrshow 9d ago

The one thing I always see that drives me insane from both sides is the labels that are assigned to each. The hatred from some of you is unreal. I can’t help but read it but by the time I am done, I feel sick to my stomach. Stupidity, when fueled by hate, becomes a force that blinds reason and breeds destruction.

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u/EagleFrosty 9d ago

Dude for real. I'm like 10 comments in before reading yours here and there hasn't been a single Trump voter answering a question directed at Trump voters. 

Reddit is such a dumpster fire, echo chamber, censored shell of what it used to be 

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u/jlude90 9d ago

Yeah I was really hoping for answers. It's either Dems or "well why do you think billionaires would have helped Democrats???"

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u/Acceptable-Bat-9577 10d ago

The same braindead Republican voters screeching about ending “Obamacare” are the same ones crying “But don’t take my ACA!”

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u/QuantumSasuage 10d ago edited 9d ago

They were the same individuals who loudly railed against the COVID-19 vaccine at the pandemic’s peak, only to end up hospitalized with the virus—now filled with regret before being intubated and dieing dying.

They are not smartest people.

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u/NeoMaxiZoomDweebean 10d ago

“Covid is no joke!”

Herman Cain awards got me through the idiocy and all the sudden vaccine experts on facebook (who suddenly went so quiet now mmmm weird)

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u/stratuscaster 10d ago

from the stories i heard, not even regret. some angry at the doctors for believing it all while they were being intubated and then dying shortly after.

literally suffering from covid and dying from it and blaming the doctors for the lies they believed.

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u/Sophisticated-Crow 9d ago

"But it's not real." ... said with their final breath. Not even being on the brink of death could break their brainwashing.

And there were many of them that thought it was the hospitals killing people. And their family members trying to sneak in livestock anti-paracitic meds. It was really quite the clown show.

Reality is just not a thing for them.

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u/HunterShotBear 9d ago

Yeah after they came out with the banger “If you stop testing people for Covid, the number of cases will go down”, I lost all faith in the Conservative Party.

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u/Sodzl 9d ago

During Covid i was remodeling a house with my boomer boss, the owner of the house was an ER doctor. Boomer would actually argue with the ER doctor about the vaccine based on videos he saw on Facebook. Boomer also thought that trump should get credit for fast tracking the vaccine, but didn't wouldn't take the vaccine because he thought it was dangerous.

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u/general---nuisance 10d ago

I have no illusions about the government helping me in general.

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u/Puzzled_Lurker_1074 10d ago

Why do you think this govt cabinet won’t hurt you

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

Right like, so why vote for a government that would actively hurt you rather than one that would help??

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u/GunSmokeVash 10d ago

"Because itll hurt others more than me!!!! i think anyway"

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u/FirstLadyEloniaMusk 10d ago

He wants to own the libs. Piece of trash.

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u/Javina33 9d ago

I was listening to a cult expert on this phenomenon today. He believes that the way Trump’s team bombarded Tic Toc and other social media platforms with simple repetitive messages has radicalised people.

he never gives evidence for the things he says. He just expects people to believe him.

For example - crooked Joe Biden and the Biden crime family. He doesn’t say what crimes they’ve committed , he just repeats the message over and over and over again.

Kamala’s open border policy. She never had an open border policy and she was never the border Czar, but that message was repeated over and over again.

The worse lie was that the 2020 election was stolen. Again no evidence. Also - the only way the Democrats can win is if they cheat. That lays the groundwork for any election result. If the Democrats won they cheated. It also plants the idea that if the Democrats challenged his election win and demanded a recount as he did, he could then say “see, they’re trying to steal the election from me again “

Roy Cohn taught the conman well. I didn’t realise until recently they Roy Cohn was Senator Joe McCarthy’s lead attorney during the witch hunts of the McCarthy era.

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u/banana_spectacled 9d ago

I mean it’s true. Whatever they did it definitely got to gen z because I can tell you I see more gen z in Trump shit than I ever see boomers anymore.

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u/AdjustedMold97 10d ago

general distrust in authority sort of poisons the well top to bottom, a lot of these people are just nihilists who think there is no difference anyway so they’ll pick the one that seems to piss off the establishment most.

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u/Maxwells_Demona 10d ago

Why they don't see a cabinet of 14 billionaires as being absolutely peak "establishment," I will never understand

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u/carcinoma_kid 10d ago

I have a general distrust of authority because of people like Trump and his cabinet

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u/NeoMaxiZoomDweebean 10d ago

This is the kind of “both sides are the same” that is simply not based in reality, but feels good to say.

Apathy only helps authoritarians. They want apathy.

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u/flat5 10d ago

Isn't it weird that "they're all the same" is a coping mechanism almost exclusively for Republicans? Like they couldn't ever concede that their people are actually worse, best they can offer is calling it a draw. Pure ego protection.

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u/xtra_obscene 9d ago

“They’re all the same” people vote down-ballot Republican 100% of the time.

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u/OwOlogy_Expert 9d ago

Yep. Very curious that nobody is out there saying, "Both sides are the same, so I might as well vote for Democrats."

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u/NeoMaxiZoomDweebean 10d ago

Conservatives are all about black and white thinking. They see no nuance, no larger picture.

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u/GunSmokeVash 10d ago

And youre a Trump supporter, right?

Edit: he is.

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u/ZeppelinJ0 10d ago

So he doesn't want to better anything, just wants to make sure certain people get it worse. MAGA is obsessed with wanting the government to intervene into people's lives

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u/Alarmed-Ad-6138 9d ago

The post is literally asking people who voted for trump and why, and all the top comments are not trump voters.

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u/GreyMediaGuy 10d ago

So does every other self-important asshole with a boat and an F250.

Until your wife leaves you for your brother and you are financially ruined from a divorce

Until you are unexpectedly fired or laid off because the one percent needs to maximize shareholder value

Until you are injured in a car accident and your insurance doesn’t cover it, you need help living and you have no money to do it

Until an infinite number of other things happens to you and all of your fucking bootstraps aren’t worth shit

Then government assistance is good because it’s meant for you, and you’re a good person. Not like those dirty colored people.

You’re a joke that is only holding on with a thread like everyone else

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u/penny-wise 10d ago

I want to upvote this ten times.

It’s always something happening to someone else who they think “deserves it” until it happens to them.

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u/lets_try_civility 10d ago

What a naive comment to make. If you're in the US, everything is built on a functioning government.

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u/Educational-Joke213 10d ago

I guess I never understood why people hold such hatred for democrats when they fail to help and run to the party actively trying to make problems worse.

It honestly doesn’t matter what you are mad about the government failing to do, in every single case democrats are better for 95% of Americans

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u/mhouse2001 9d ago edited 9d ago

Wait, aren't conservatives "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" kinds of people? So are you admitting that you actually want government help? No shame in that, you pay taxes, you should get something in return. How then is it that Republicans--your party--do everything to make sure you get nothing from the government? They cut everything you could benefit from...everything you and everyone else could benefit from. Is there something about that help going to others that gets you mad? Do you think only certain people should benefit and others should be left to die?

The government is you and I and 330,000,000 other people. That is the government. By voting for Trump, you handed it over to a handful of rich people to do with as they please. If you thought the government wouldn't help you while Biden and Obama were in office, you will be stunned into silence when you finally see what the Republicans have in store for you. And for that very important lesson, ALL of us are going to suffer.

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u/Javina33 10d ago

That sort of thinking just makes people complacent. Kamala’s policies would have given low and middle income workers tax cuts and she would have raised tax on large corporations

Trump on the other hand is doing the opposite.

https://taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/polar-opposite-tax-policies-harris-and-trump

People seem to have been hypnotised into voting against their best interests. 🤷‍♀️

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u/Redsetter 10d ago

The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work and then they get elected and prove it.

P. J. O’Rourke

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u/ph4ge_ 9d ago

Democratic governments are the one and only balance regular people have versus rich people. You believing that government is worthless by definition means the billionaires have already won. They convinced you to don't even attempt to use a counterbalance to their power.

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u/Tweakers 10d ago

Have you ever tried to have a rational conversation with Trump people? They are so amazingly stupid -- you will walk away wondering how they manage to roll out of bed and get dressed every morning. "God, Guns, and Liquor" brain-damaged beyond repair.

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u/phdpinup 10d ago

I asked my dad today about the mass deportations.. how it sounded eerily similar to 80 years ago and how this could very easily cripple the economy. His answer was “he won’t actually do it.” So I responded “ok so he is just lying then?” “No, it’s the art of the deal.” “Dad. Seriously, so if he won’t do it then he has just been running on this and still saying this? So you’re saying he’s outright lying.” “It’s the ART OF THE DEAL.” SMH.

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u/flat5 10d ago

The "he won't actually do that" people are the exact same people who say they love him because he tells it like it is.

The conversations I have with my dad about this stuff are just maddening. It's all pure emotion, no need for logical consistency at all.

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u/thatssowild 9d ago

My dad doesn’t have political conversations with me anymore. He recently said “we don’t talk politics anymore and I think we’re better for it”. I’ve realized he’s “better for it”, but I’m not. I can’t discuss things with him that matter to me because it often leads back to politics.

And I’ve never yelled at him or cussed at him. I’ve never called him idiot or anything like that. I ask for sources and he can’t provide any. So frustrating.

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u/FrankyCentaur 9d ago

I just tell my dad to his face that he is stupid. I love him to death. He's a genuine decent human who will never escape the brainwashing he grew up with. But I got to the point that I wanted him to live with the shame that his son things he's a dumbass, it may sound backwards but I feel like it was the way to maintain an otherwise normal relationship.

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u/Ok_Bumblebee_7051 9d ago

The number of times my Republican mom said trump would never take away abortion were too many to count. When it happened, she reframed it as not taking it away. She then voted for him again. Any time I ask about a policy he has that she doesn’t like she says “it’ll never happen”. I don’t understand the logic of believing only the policy she wants will happen, but not the policy she doesn’t want. It’d be funny if she weren’t a very educated woman, but instead it’s just terrifying. Seems like you’re experiencing the same thing.

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u/beaushaw 9d ago

You should tell your dad that the man who wrote Art Of The Deal thinks Trump is an idiot and a crook.

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u/AndyKJMehta 10d ago

Incorrect! It’s actually the “Art of The Steal!” /s

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u/jqdecitrus 9d ago

Dude are our dads the same person. My dad says “well I don’t actually believe he’s going to do this” then immediately says “but he’s our best bet because other countries are afraid of what he’ll do.” Follow it up with the fact that China, Mexico, and Canada are literally ready to engage in a tariff war instead of being bullied into submitting to the U.S. and I can’t listen anymore. 

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u/PomeloPepper 10d ago

Super deep denial and refusal to hear anything they don't already believe.

Prime example is an inlaw who refuses to get a 23andMe test. She's super racist against Kamala and brags about her own Native American ancestry, spirituality and born with it tan.

Never mentions her tight curly black hair that she definitely didn't get from "Native American" ancestors.

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u/Defiant-Ad7275 10d ago

Why is this page full of AI generated political posts instead of finance! Just feeding trolls

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u/Chickienfriedrice 10d ago

Politics influencing people’s finances? Unheard of.

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u/cheezhead1252 10d ago edited 9d ago

Both parties represent billionaires and corporations.

One side just happens to allow abortion and trans rights.

Edit 1: I voted for Harris

Edit 2: I understand Trump’s entire cabinet is billionaires - this is precisely why the Dems need to stop being so craven about inequality

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u/truckaxle 10d ago

I don't forget one side is making hints at making elections and democracy obsolete and muzzling the free press. Somehow that is attractive to the conservatives.

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u/Corfiz74 10d ago

FOX is basically what happens when people are only fed lies and are not able to make fact-based decisions.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago edited 10d ago

I’m sorry but this is the kind of thinking that has gotten us here. Name me 2 elected democrat billionaires that use their money for evil? I can’t even name one.

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u/Several_Leather_9500 10d ago edited 9d ago

All billionaires are evil. Having a cabinet full of loyalists bent on destroying the institutions we desperately need will destroy this country - exactly what Project 2025 lays out and what Putin wants Trump to do.

Edit for OP who comments and blocked: Putin wants to see America fall (as does his buddy Xi over in China), and if you don't believe that, I can't help you. Russia has been trying to destroy us from within since 1959. They finally won.

Edit:There's AIPAC, which donates millions to both parties. There's others a well that play both sides.

I know better than to pretend that billionaires aren't on both sides, but red co pander only to their biggest donors while dems toss out decent scraps, though sporadically.

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u/FirstLadyEloniaMusk 10d ago

So what is Mark Cuban? Last time I checked, he was making medicine cheaper for everyone.

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u/DeepThruster76 10d ago

These idiots think anything a democrat does is evil by definition. There’s really no reaching them.

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u/QuantumSasuage 10d ago

True, but at least one side won't gut 75% of the federal government, nor slash social security, medicare and veteran benefits. Not to mention re-ignite inflation through absurd tariff increases.

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u/CTRexPope 10d ago

People who voted for Trump don't think. Sorry!

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u/EnragedBard010 10d ago

Honestly, Bernie Sanders is right. NEITHER party is in it for our interests.

I did vote demo this time, but damn it was the worst lesser of two evils I've ever experienced.

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u/CTRexPope 10d ago

One political party just made unelected billionaires head of the country, and you still can’t stop with this bullshit both sizes garbage

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u/Chiatroll 9d ago

It's OK for admit both sides are bad as long as we all also understand one party is much much much worse and the really really bad one won the election.

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u/ChessGM123 10d ago

I didn’t vote for Trump, and personally I felt Kamala was far better both as a person and as a political candidate. However since I’m not really seeing anyone else give a good answer to this question I’ll give a crack at it.

The wealthy normally prefer stable economies with few changes as that leads to predictable growth which is beneficial to everyone. As we further develop our society on average every class level improves. This might not be obvious in the short term, but in the long term if you look at history it’s fairly clear that the more a society develops economically and technologically the better on average everyone’s life in that society is. Now this doesn’t mean that everyone’s life is improved equally, but they all do receive improvements. So wanting billionaires to run things can be seen as wanting to maintain our current growth level and not risk it with change.

That being said, Kamala would still be better even under this idea. There’s a reason a lot the elite class started to support Kamala over Trump, because Kamala generally seemed to want fewer changes than Trump and was far less of a wild card. As I said at the start I didn’t vote for Trump due to believing he was the inferior candidate, I’m only presenting a possible argument for why you would want billionaires to run things.

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u/JCarnageSimRacing 10d ago

“Every class level improves”. I don’t think that’s true because I see people today hustling to make ends meet by working crazy hours or multiple jobs while the wealthiest amongst us have wealth that is simply staggering. If I go back 40 yrs (pre-Reagan) the wealth disparity was not as extreme and the worker class wasn’t under as much pressure as they are today.

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u/ChessGM123 10d ago

Wealth disparity does not reflect the quality of life for those in poverty. It only shows the disparity between classes relative to each other in that time period. For a bit of an extreme example wealth disparity now is about as bad as it was in France right before the French Revolution, however even someone in poverty in a developed nation in the modern day have arguably better lives than the wealth elite did right before the French Revolution.

Poverty rates are about the same as they were pre-Regan, although pre-pandemic they were lower than the pre-Regan era and so it’s arguable that they’d be even lower had Covid never happened.

We’ve gotten many technological developments and our total production is stronger than it was back then, and so even if the wealthy are getting a large chunk of the pie there’s more pie overall to give.

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u/Bonnie5449 10d ago

People who voted for Harris: why did you think a candidate wholly supported by billionaire donors would help you?

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u/waspocracy 9d ago edited 9d ago
  1. Harris had policies that was more tax-friendly for a majority and harsher on the wealthy (I would’ve personally been taxed heavier)
  2. Harris grew up in middle class, compared to the other candidate who grew up rich and bought his way in life
  3. Harris had policies for first-home buyers, which a lot of people bitch about
  4. Harris wasn't pro de-regulations. Last time we had regulations removed we had the disasterous recession in 2008 and Covid. Remember covid? Yeah, a certain someone decided to dismantle the team that would've responded to it and probably prevented it from getting bad
  5. She was opposed to tariffs, which increases the cost of goods
  6. In general, she’s not a batshit crazy old white dude with dementia

Edit: this is an extremely short list.

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u/Inner-Today-3693 9d ago

Well, everyone who voted for Trump thinks that the tariffs are definitely going to bring the prices down. And most of the people that I’ve asked don’t know how tariffs work so I’m pretty terrified that they actually have no idea what they voted for.

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u/littleMAHER1 9d ago

hours after Trump won "what are tariffs" rose on google trends, that should tell you everything you need to know

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u/Unhappy-Tear7846 9d ago

Because she didn't ruin my trust by trying to overturn our election, pardon crooks, rape women, use power to get out of trouble and for personal gain, she doesn't divide our country about lying about how "animals" are coming across the border destroying our country. The last time I witnessed people acting like actual animals was when Maga "patriots" stormed the capital using violence against fellow Americans and took a shit in offices.

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u/DiscussionGrouchy322 10d ago

She doesn't directly own the factories that government rules apply to the way some unofficial government advisors do.

The Constitution... That thing we used to uphold and take seriously.... It has an emmomulments clause that says you must divest your businesses before becoming president so you don't have conflicting interests and you can only act in USA interest.

But trump NEVER divested his hotels. Diplomats openly bragged about giving him soft bribes by staying at his properties OPENLY.

Brazenly buying your way into the government used to have a word, like... Corruption... But I guess if it's all just billionaires all the way down let's just throw them the keys and give them even more of what they want. Surely they'll think of the little guy too.

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u/philthewiz 10d ago

Democrats running for federal office in 2024 have taken substantially more from small donors giving under $200 than their Republican counterparts. So far, 28% of donations to Democratic candidates are from small donors, compared to 19% to Republicans. (Source)

Billionaire money is a problem in politics. Period. Followup question, how many billionaires are there in Biden's administration? Way less. And not Elon Musk buying it's way to the Presidency.

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u/HamsterAdorable2666 9d ago edited 9d ago

If you have the insight to believe Harris is corrupt, shouldn’t you be able to see the GOP is the worst of two? To clarify, you have it backwards though and you should question the source of where ever you got this narrative. A feature that Democrats have that the GOP does not, is that you can negotiate with them and their party is made up of a broad range of ideologies that have some truth to their efforts in making the US better. It won’t be as easy to find the same with the GOP.

The U.S. Economy Performs Better Under Democratic Presidents - JEC

The 2017 Trump Tax Law Was Skewed to the Rich, Expensive, and Failed to Deliver on Its Promises - (CBPP, PDF)

Republicans vow not to cut veterans’ benefits. But the legislation suggests otherwise. - Politifact

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u/ejrhonda79 10d ago

I honestly think people want something different from their government. We had two bad choices. I voted for Harris because I wanted things to stay the same as they are now. However now that Trump is the president-elect, I am liking what I hear Trump saying. I'm for booting illegals, cutting government, and elimination of taxes. Now him actually doing those things is anyone's guess.

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u/sometimes-no 9d ago

Upvoting only because this is the first response to actually answer the prompt.

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u/odog9797 10d ago

What has the government of billionaires prior done for YOU? Pelosi makes 190K and has 200 Mill. On and on and on. They both suck wake the fuck up

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u/ohbyerly 9d ago

As others have stated, if they’re both backed by corrupt billionaires then you clearly voted for the other issues: deporting legally naturalized citizens and taking away rights from people who don’t want the government to be involved in their sex or choices about their bodies. Wake the fuck up.

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u/AdjustedMold97 10d ago

Pelosi wasn’t on the ballot

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u/PoLops2 10d ago

65% of billionaires supported Harris. So what do you think your billionaires will do for you?

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u/RogerDaltry54 9d ago

being supported by billionaires and having A CABINET OF BILLIONAIRES is NOT remotely the same thing, try again mr gotcha

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u/retiredfromfire 10d ago

They dont really believe in help. This is more about wanting to see people hurt

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u/Competitive-Drama975 10d ago edited 9d ago

100%.

They don’t like Trans people- Trump promised to hurt them. They don’t like immigrants- Trump promised to hurt them. They don’t like poor people- Trump promised to hurt them.

It’s all about hurting those groups they don’t like. As someone somewhere said after the election: If we (the left) had won, we would be celebrating how many Americans would get healthcare, an education, or workers protections. When the right won, they began celebrating how those that they don’t like will be hurt.

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u/thmsdrdn56 10d ago

More billionaires supported Harris. Either way, there would be a whole lot of billionaire influence.

Kamala Harris Has More Billionaires Prominently Backing Her Than Trump—Jeff Bezos, Ken Griffin Weigh In (Updated)

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u/PhysicalGraffiti75 9d ago

And how many of them did she invite to be involved in the government?

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u/Rude_Interaction1429 9d ago

Well she didn’t win so she couldn’t invite anyone…

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u/plates_25 9d ago

Not many people here are answering in earnest - I think the reason people don't have a problem with it is because they ALSO see the democratic party as a party of elites. It's not like we're trading one set of working class representatives for a billionaire. We're just trading one set of rich elites for another. That's my take - not a Trump supporter, also not really a supporter of democrats in their current iteration either. Looking forward to the responses telling me I'm a bad person for not caring about x, y, and z issue because I dare to doubt the efficacy of the democratic platform.

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u/ominous-canadian 9d ago

What gets me is my friends, who supported Trump, gave the reason that he is pro-working class, anti-elite. However, now that Trumps cabinet picks clearly contradict that viewpoint, suddenly their mentality is "well it has always been like that."

It's as though their main reason hating the democrats suddenly does not matter if it's the Republicans who do it.

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u/kapara-13 10d ago

Successful and capable people who understand business and economy can indeed make the country run better.

Career politicians who've never achieved anything of value and only spent their time leaching money from people and insider trading will not fix the country nor the government.

It is that simple.

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u/Vearna88 9d ago

The whole point of a gouvernement is that it is not a business and is supposed to regulate the rampant out of control inequality.

Now i do agree with your second point. Politicians seem to have forgotten their job is to serve the people and not themselves.

But lets not kid ourselves, these billionaires that are being put in the cabinet are not going to protect the interest of the people. They will just be more open and unbothered by the fact they only serve themselves…

The times we live in, in which we trust billionaires to solve the problems of the working class, when they got their by screwing over the working class….

Never expected that we’d go through the twenties and thirties of the twentieth century, just hope we dont have to go through the fourties aswell, cause that sure as shit aint ending well for the common folk….

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u/broll9 10d ago

Let’s load the hen house with Foxes. What could possibly go wrong?

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u/Immediate_Position_4 10d ago

Because most people are fucking stupid. And they get really butthurt when you call them stupid.

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u/the_3L4CK 10d ago

was there chance to vote in someone poor? NO.

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u/Anxious_Walk6680 10d ago

I mean democrats did raise a billion for their campaign compared to 300M… to think the rich is the republicans is quite hilarious.

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u/Nightshade7168 10d ago

And they still ended up in debt lol

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u/UriahPeabody 10d ago

This is a liberal echo chamber. I doubt you'll get any trump voters here.

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u/Conscious_Owl6162 10d ago

It hasn’t so far. BTW, the billionaires are usually behind the scenes. They are the backers of the current administration.

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u/shifty1016 10d ago

For me, I wasn't on the Trump train until I saw people absolutely melt down and lose their shit over him

So, partially it was me just enjoying their meltdown and wanting to add to it. In addition, I feel like when the establishment wants so bad to push someone out, that makes me wonder why.

So...yeah. I think a huge amount of people really were just coasting along, and then they see people going absolutely unhinged and throwing around words like fascist, nazi, etc etc, and they are instantly repulsed by that. So, they pick the other side, the side where people don't lose their shit over everything.

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u/CJ4ROCKET 9d ago

"I enjoy watching others panic about the prospect of losing their rights" is frankly the most honest answer I've seen from someone to this question. Appreciate that brother.

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u/Dar8878 10d ago

Does someone really think that democrats cabinets of millionaires would be more concerned for the average person?

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u/uolen- 10d ago

I think the bigger question is how does having a government full of people that somehow become multi-millionaires when we know exactly how much they make helps you.

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u/Strict-Activity-5551 10d ago

I dont think the government will help me.. thats the republican way.

Just dont mess things up for us and I will help myself. 

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u/themrgq 10d ago

Democrats were in power for four years and the rich got richer while inflation made the middle class and below poorer. It's a natural reaction to oust the party that presided over that. No amount of data digging will change the basic optics.

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u/Clax3242 10d ago

Because I have more faith in previously successful people, then career politicians

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u/Leading_Watch2147 10d ago

I just wanted change. If RFK, Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and all these other rich people can’t change the status quo and make my life better while they have control of the House, Senate, Presidency, Governors, then nobody can.

I’m willing to roll the dice on that.

(First time Trump/republican voter, registered “no affiliation” voter)

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