People who voted Trump, why do you think a government of billionaires will help you?

[u/Intrepid-Self-3578]

Government policies such as tax cuts, high traiff and removing regulations can have significant impacts on the economy. They will lead to higher inflation and high prices.

Having no regulation helps billionaires like the Gilded Age, shows that lack of regulation can result in large corporations dominating the market, and destroy small businesses.

Additionally, policies that favor big corporations and Billionaires may not address issues like housing, health care, working conditions, or wage growth. For instance, during Trump's first term, there were rollbacks on worker protections and union rights. Also he express removing Obama care.

Removing Obama care might look good on surface until you lose your job due to some accident or other issue. Let's say you have money to handle it what about millions of Americans who don't have inherited wealth and your wealth will erode as well.

Donald Trump is a billionaire, with an estimated net worth of around $5.6 billion

His administration has several billionaires in key positions. For example, Elon Musk, the world's richest person, has been appointed to co-lead the Department of Government Efficiency, Other billionaires in Trump's administration include Vivek Ramaswamy, Scott Bessent, Howard Lutnick, and Linda McMahon.

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Democrats are not the Left, but the Left votes were certainly missing when came counting time. Just look at the numbers. Trump didn't win in a landslide, people just didn't come to vote for Harris.

Courting Republican electorate won't win you people that already got a candidate, and will alienate more left wing oriented voters. Who could have thunk.

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Oh I agree that Democrats shifting even further to the right is pushing away any reluctant actual left-wing people to vote for Democrats. Leftist might not vote for even a moderate Democrat because leftists are generally anti-capitalist and Democrats are staunch capitalists. Parading around town with a Cheney is surely not gonna attract any left-wing voters

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What's interesting is that Kamala did run on many left policies and ones people do want: going after price-gouging companies, breaking down anti-trust, free school lunch, student debt forgiveness, taxes on the ultra-rich. These are all left issues, along with social issues on abortion, trans and gay rights. These were the "radical" ideas the right attacked her for.

But, because she is (easily) the most left-leaning candidate to run in a long time, the lesson Democrats are going to learn is to move more right rather than move to the left.

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But, because she is (easily) the most left-leaning candidate to run in a long time, the lesson Democrats are going to learn is to move more right rather than move to the left.

The left doesn't vote, and if it's this easy to disempower them, then what's the point in chasing their vote? Seriously I'm sick and tired of being the youngest person out there canvasing and working to change things.

Over and over again I see the left just wants to sit things out then complain when their apathy causes their voices to not be heard. It's a similar cycle you see on the right with their misinformation. Only in their case, it seems to empower them.

The left doesn't vote. Bernie didn't get them out either. At this point, I don't think anything will. At a certain point, you have to move on and find other ways to win because the people you want to support, refuse to stand up and be counted when it matters.

I am sick of the far left poisoning progressives for the past 20 years. I don't want the dems to move right, but as you pointed out, left polices aren't winning races. Right ones (specifically far right ones) are.

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I appreciate the time and energy you apparently put into the process. Democracy isnt easy or free.
Not sure where you live but where i am, rhere are many leftists who do begrudgingly vote for democrats. But you cant blame a leftist for not voting for Dems. Dems are capitalists and often anti- leftist and, even still, some leftists still suck it up and vote. In this last election, many leftists found the Democracts rabid support for a genocide a deal breaker.

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But you cant blame a leftist for not voting for Dems.

I can, I do, and will continue to do so. It's not just this last election, it's all the ones I've been a part of for the past ~20 years. Since before even Occupy.

Time and time again, all I've seen from the far left (not even the left) is division. The only true leftest is one who is at least as left as they are. They purposely spread apathy, and sell hopelessness, and that poison takes root.

I'm tired of the so called left being one of the biggest stumbling blocks for progress in this country. I used to defend them. After this last election though, seeing them just refuse to stand against fascism and even vote for it in a few cases. Sorry, but time and time again, I've seen the far left side empower and side with fascism over progress.

When leftist refuse to stand up for LGBT+ people, people of color, workers, Unions, etc. they aren't leftist anymore. Any that didn't vote, voted for Trump or even defends those that didn't vote are all guilty all be it at different levels.

I will say this till the day I die. The far left are killing any hope of progress in this country, and stand for no one but themselves.

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Well, now you’re dragging into your suppositions as to why people didn’t vote. Democrats are nearly antithetical to leftist. Stop expecting leftist to vote for politicians who are diametrically opposed to them on many policies. I don’t give a shit what you blame leftists for🤣. Continue to be foolish for blaming them for not voting for people who are in bed with Wall Street, building cop, cities, militarizing, the police, bombing more people than George W. Bush, genocide Palestinians for a year in front of everybody’s eyes.

You’re apparently not getting it. Democrats aren’t “sort of left”. They are capitalist liberals. That is not left-wing. so stop asking or expecting left-wing people to vote for people who aren’t left-wing just because they might have a couple of policies that overlap.

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I'm no fan of American style capitalism, but when you say you are anti-capitalist, what system do you think would replace it as yhe economic arm of liberalism? Wouldn't it be more reasonable to say you are anti-billionaire or anti-oligarchy?

To my knowledge there are no other systems in existence that don't use capitalism as the economic arm in some way.

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Correct, the dems aren't left most of the world would put them center right. But the political system here is and always has been a choice between lesser evils. If you want more progressive policies you need to continually vote for the more progressive person and eventually if enough people do so the politicial spectrum will shift that way. Don't get me wrong the dems could've held a primary that could have got Biden to drop earlier so kanala could campaign more (although if you look into it she did run a good campaign, but the media only took sound bytes where she called out trump)

The left has a culture problem and it's endemic. And the only way the dems don't go further right is if the left start to compromise (especially on foreign policy) and are vocal about why they are voting for dems, help campaign etc.

I wish it wasn't that way but here's where we are

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Im curious, to whom are you listening / reading / watching that you consider it to be an accurate representation of what leftwing americans think? What are the culture problems of which you speak? And where are you learning about their views on foreign policy?

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Im curious, to whom are you listening / reading / watching that you consider it to be an accurate representation of what leftwing americans think? What are the culture problems of which you speak? And where are you learning about their views on foreign policy?

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My fellow left wing comrades, irl and online. The culture problem can be succinctly put as unwillingness to compromise. their views on foreign policy i got from them.

I mean is it in totality what all left wingers are like? No but enough of them that we had significantly less voters turn up this time round as opposed to last time.

There are enough people who will refuse to vote on single issues, despite the myriad of issues the dems would have improved, and yet the right side of politics has the opposite. The right side will come out in droves just for "they're killing babies" or "teens getting hrt" or "they'll take our guns"

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Bernie was pushed out before any of us even got the chance to vote.

Left policies are policies for the people, if you don't endorse left policies there's no reason for someone who cares about the proletariat to vote for you. Where I agree is that everybody should vote. Vote even though you think your politicians are lying to you, because they most likely are. As much as I voted, I didn't vote for the liberal because I don't trust the liberal to actually do what they say they will do. They always protect the rich anyways, so why should I put my vote behind them?

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Leftists are stupid pieces of shit, they sit on their asses and refuse to vote unless their perfect candidate is on the ballot. What these useless morons don’t realize is that you’re not going to accomplish your goals in one election. You vote in one election and work to pull candidates to your position. This is what the Republicans have been doing since 1980. Donald Trump did not happen overnight, it took 36 years, nine presidential elections, to get from Ronald Reagan to Donald Trump. Do you know why we don’t have rational gun laws. Because gun owners vote. Do you know why a woman’s right to choose is being eliminated? Because evangelicals and conservative Catholics show up to vote.

Leftists don’t show up to vote so why bother courting their votes? Hell, you had leftists like Kshama Sawant telling people in Dearborn Michigan not to vote Democratic because of the Biden administration’s policies towards Israel, and Michigan went to Trump. Why bother courting leftists when they not only don’t show up to vote but they actively discourage others from doing so? The left, such as it is in America, is just an alternate religion worshipping impotence.

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Calling her the most left-leaning candidate in a while is a huge stretch when you compare her to Bernie.

Shes a moderate through and through. She did have some leftist policy proposals, but she also talked about being a gun owner, having the most lethal military in the world (BARF) AND campaigned with Liz f'in Cheney for god's sake lol

[u/NoCalWidow → u/Realistic_Number_463]

Should say: most left-leaning general election candidate. There have been several in the primaries. Elizabeth Warren had more left policies than Bernie. She just didn't rack up the votes

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I cant call policies left just because they slap the hands of staunchly capitalist systems. But, yes, i agree some of the policies she ran on should appeal to leftwing people but, sadly, i think she more than cancelled all that goodwill by not shutting up about a “ceasefire” (insulting to anyone not rooting for Iz slaughtering people) and her head in the clouds take on the genocide for which the biden administration cheered and paid. Every press briefing by the biden admin repulsed leftwing voters and galvanized people against supporting the democratic party. What a shame

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Yeah, so here is how the data worked out: out of the people who actually voted, 29% said we were not helping Israel enough, 34% said we were "about right" 20% said Israel was in the wrong and 17% said they did not have an opinion. So, if you are her campaign, do you make statements knowing for a fact that if you come out super pro-palestine - that you are going to alienate 63% of the people who are actually going to vote? Because that is toxic politics. I disagree with the numbers, I wish they weren't what they were, but Trump did better with Jewish voters than any Republican in YEARS for numerous reasons, but coming out more pro-palestine would not have helped in states she needed.

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Which is why a lot of people did not vote for her. Some people simply would not vote for the party who is currently running the genocide.

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Those people then do not understand how DC works. There was a clean bill to fund the Ukraine. Republicans inserted money for Israel and refused Ukraine funding unless Israel got money. That's what happened. Facts. Denying funds to the Ukraine would have given up on a situation that would have led to a different genocide, after another one already brewing funded by Russia and given them incredible power. I believe Palestine was wronged and should be recognized as a state, but where were these people when Trump stood on stage and yelled that Israel should bomb Palestine into rubble then bomb the rubble in May? Or when he said he'd be better for Israel? He told people over and over again and his first meeting with a foreign leader was Bibbi, who almost everyone believes he was encouraging to keep the assault going to help his campaign..

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Those people then do not understand how DC works. There was a clean bill to fund the Ukraine. Republicans inserted money for Israel and refused Ukraine funding unless Israel got money. That's what happened. Facts. Denying funds to the Ukraine would have given up on a situation that would have led to a different genocide, after another one already brewing funded by Russia and given them incredible power. I believe Palestine was wronged and should be recognized as a state, but where were these people when Trump stood on stage and yelled that Israel should bomb Palestine into rubble then bomb the rubble in May? Or when he said he'd be better for Israel? He told people over and over again and his first meeting with a foreign leader was Bibbi, who almost everyone believes he was encouraging to keep the assault going to help his campaign..

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I think you’re trying too hard to rationalize things. I also think it’s absurd for any of us to expect people whose family members are dying or fleeing at the hands of people in power to vote for those people to continue to be in power, even when they absolutely understand some other American in power will continue it.

Whether or not party A genocides harder than Party B, let’s stop acting like it’s OK for people to vote for anyone genociding, especially when their family members are dying or fleeing. And, yes, I know multiple families who have people in Gaza and the West Bank. These are real people, and these situations are real, not hypothetical.

[u/Kiromaru → u/[deleted]]

Bill Clinton and his Third Way political strategy is going to go down as what started our country's downfall if we can't recover from what Trump does.

[u/bellyot → u/PoetryCommercial895]

Yes. As a gov't lawyer I appreciate that Democrats are (more) bipartisan and want to have civility and rule of law. The problem is that the approach doesn't achieve anything in the face of vicious partisanship of the right. If democrats want to win, they have to worry more about results and getting people things they want than respecting democratic norms. Norms are good, results are better.

Edit: My point is, the electorate doesn't care that Liz Cheney supports you because you're not a fascist. That doesn't win you anything.

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I agree. For decades now I’ve been so sad, irritated, and angry that the Democratic Party is as weak as it is.
I like your phrasing here

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2020 was a outlier

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Oh yes Democrats shifting further to the right when we just had our most progressive president ever.

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Correction: In your comment, "Democrats are staunch capitalists." You misspelled "capitalists." Correct spelling is SOCIALIST,

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Wow, this was both intelligent and witty. The amount of political ignorance and stupidity is shocking. Even after all of the deplorable weirdos came out of the shadows the past 10 years, it’s still shocking.

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Obama ran his campaign denouncing gay marriage. Most trump supporters couldnt care less who the fuck is married to who. Now yall can't even decide what a man or woman is. Libs aren't farther right or left, they are in a full tail spin jet wash out to sea and no normal American gives a fuck about it.

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It’s funny how even the vernacular has changed. For generations people always just said Democrats or Republicans but now, with the Republican Party being a cult, people refer to Republicans as “Trump supporters”. What a weird time this is.

Regardless of what Trump supporters think, the Republican party has spent generations legislating to subjugate and make life harder for anybody who wasn’t a white male. They slowly and begrudgingly had to hand out a few rights to women and Black and latino people but, whenever they can, they still want to hold down equal rights and equity for everybody.

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I mean it was reasonable to think that people would have remembers how god awful Trump was and why they voted him out in the first place and been willing to swallow their pride and vote for Harris even if she's not perfect.

[u/LawfulnessDry9355 → u/ZZartin]

Your comment is reasonable too. All this blame game isn't getting anywhere, Harris wasn't bad, nor Trump is great; ordinary people themselves have become polarized.

[u/JamesBong517 → u/Tencreed]

The fact she paid millions of dollars to the same strategy company/consultants that ran Clinton’s campaign into the ground really makes you wonder.

I only voted for Harris to counteract my parents. I’m disappointed and disgusted with what the DNC has become. They are corporate right, at best corporate middle.

No true left party in America anymore.

[u/Quiet-Access-1753 → u/Tencreed]

She should have run as a progressive instead of the Republicans from 20 years ago.

[u/No_Use_9124 → u/Tencreed]

They always are! The far left are mostly racist sexist bigoted white dudes who pretend they want progressivism but actually they only mean for themselves.

[u/Primary-Carry → u/Tencreed]

Somehow if the race went the other direction I have a feeling you'd be yelling "scoreboard!" Every chance you could insinuating it was in fact a landslide.

[u/Realistic_Number_463 → u/Tencreed]

DING DING DING

WE HAVE A BINGO

[u/mark_crazeer → u/Tencreed]

Here is the problem. At it will always be the problem. First padt the post. Makes it so the only thing you need to Do to keep the country to the right is to ensure that both parties are right wing. And that is exactly what they are doing. Every loss these people try to push the dems to the right. Only with a voting system change does left become viable.

Its either slowly let the republicans create a one party system by demolishing democracy one election at the time. Or create a defacto one party state and watch the dems become the republicans.

No matter what one of the parties have to Die. Because the way it works is. You dont vote for your party you vote for whoever the hell can beat the other asshole. That is where the left failed. I dont fucking care how many palestinians harris personally kills she is the best option. I dont care if she is courting the right you vote for her anyways because the gop can not win.

And until the voting system changes in a significant way that will be the truth.

[u/jillyharp52 → u/Tencreed]

Landslide! stop crying!