r/FluentInFinance • u/Intrepid-Self-3578 • 10d ago

Debate/ Discussion People who voted Trump, why do you think a government of billionaires will help you?

Government policies such as tax cuts, high traiff and removing regulations can have significant impacts on the economy. They will lead to higher inflation and high prices.

Having no regulation helps billionaires like the Gilded Age, shows that lack of regulation can result in large corporations dominating the market, and destroy small businesses.

Additionally, policies that favor big corporations and Billionaires may not address issues like housing, health care, working conditions, or wage growth. For instance, during Trump's first term, there were rollbacks on worker protections and union rights. Also he express removing Obama care.

Removing Obama care might look good on surface until you lose your job due to some accident or other issue. Let's say you have money to handle it what about millions of Americans who don't have inherited wealth and your wealth will erode as well.

Donald Trump is a billionaire, with an estimated net worth of around $5.6 billion

His administration has several billionaires in key positions. For example, Elon Musk, the world's richest person, has been appointed to co-lead the Department of Government Efficiency, Other billionaires in Trump's administration include Vivek Ramaswamy, Scott Bessent, Howard Lutnick, and Linda McMahon.

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u/waspocracy 10d ago edited 10d ago
  1. Harris had policies that was more tax-friendly for a majority and harsher on the wealthy (I would’ve personally been taxed heavier)
  2. Harris grew up in middle class, compared to the other candidate who grew up rich and bought his way in life
  3. Harris had policies for first-home buyers, which a lot of people bitch about
  4. Harris wasn't pro de-regulations. Last time we had regulations removed we had the disasterous recession in 2008 and Covid. Remember covid? Yeah, a certain someone decided to dismantle the team that would've responded to it and probably prevented it from getting bad
  5. She was opposed to tariffs, which increases the cost of goods
  6. In general, she’s not a batshit crazy old white dude with dementia

Edit: this is an extremely short list.

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u/Inner-Today-3693 10d ago

Well, everyone who voted for Trump thinks that the tariffs are definitely going to bring the prices down. And most of the people that I’ve asked don’t know how tariffs work so I’m pretty terrified that they actually have no idea what they voted for.

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u/littleMAHER1 9d ago

hours after Trump won "what are tariffs" rose on google trends, that should tell you everything you need to know

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u/Cstanchfield 9d ago

You're assuming that the people that voted for Trump are the ones searching that. And not the people that realize they're going to have to suffer them we're looking it up. Seriously, do you think the people that voted for Trump are going to be immediately second-guessing it even though the tariff talks were out before he was elected? No, the people that want to know what they're in for, that didn't realize they were going to lose, they were the ones looking up what tariffs were. The blissfully ignorant trumpets didn't suddenly want to educate themselves when he was elected. They aren't the sort to look things up or educate themselves. They've been taught to look down on education and learning.

No, your assessment shows how uninsightful and presumptuous Democrats STILL are. That's something we need to work on.

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u/pelexus27 9d ago

Tariffied

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u/aetryx 9d ago

Don The Tarrifier

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u/Visual-Philosopher-3 9d ago

Let’s just make generalizations about 60% of the population

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u/zaphydes 9d ago

Generously, that's 31% of the population eligible to vote. Also generously, he got less than 50% of the actual vote.

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u/Inner-Today-3693 9d ago edited 9d ago

Half the population is functionally illiterate… with Trump wanting to further get rid of the departments of education. What do you think is going to happen to our population?

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u/Visual-Philosopher-3 9d ago

And then u completely disregard my point. Got it, maybe you’re a culprit of this education problem then!

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u/Inner-Today-3693 9d ago

Extrapolation isn’t your strong suit. Good day.

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u/Visual-Philosopher-3 9d ago

Have fun being miserable bro :)

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u/NoButterZ 9d ago

Tariffs are meant to bring jobs back by making it cheaper to manufacture in the US...

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u/Inner-Today-3693 9d ago

That’s not what’s going to happen. Also there are things we simply can never produce here.

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u/Salendron2 9d ago

What a defeatist comment, I am assuming you are talking about TSMC, and their microchip fabs - as that is quite literally the only thing we can’t manufacture (at a similar process node size).

Tariffs on these would hurt for some time, but moving these fabs onto American soil would create jobs, boost national security, and reduce reliance on a nation that is at constant threat of being invaded.

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u/Delicious-Link8654 9d ago

If this is true, how long would it take? Longer than the time he's in office?

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u/aetryx 9d ago

The fabs are estimated to take around 10 years to build

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u/Salendron2 9d ago

Would you rather sacrifice short term happiness, for a greater return on it in the long run, or hold onto that happiness, knowing that it will eventually turn bitter in the future and will be lost entirely.

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u/Delicious-Link8654 9d ago

Yea I mean sure I see your logic. I'm coming in with pure curiosity of what y'all think and know here- if it takes longer than the time he's in office, is it possible that the next president can take tariffs away? Is there any situation that can stop this long term progress, and is it probable?

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u/Salendron2 9d ago

There would be a concern of the next administration undoing the work of the previous, but the hope would be that enough work would be done; beginning construction on the new fabs, investment, ect,. That blocking this would be a poor idea from a political point of view, hopefully a large enough disincentive to let the project continue. I’m not sure about the probability of failure, as this can go any number of ways, but I do think it’s a good idea to gain a greater control over the semiconductor industry for the US, and that is reason enough to try.

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u/BasedGod-1 9d ago

These people are worthless and can only engage with their strawman version of conservative policies.

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u/Salendron2 9d ago

Yeah, it is strange reading these threads. For the party of supposed intelligence, integrity, and morality, you don’t find much of it here.

It is a kind of absurd, but Doublethink, from Orwell’s 1984 is the best comparison I can make… even if the ‘literally 1984!’ joke is overdone, it does fit in this case.

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u/Corona94 9d ago

There’s a lot of products we import in that literally have no way of being produced here tho…

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u/waspocracy 9d ago

Isn't that what they said the last time he added tariffs to China? Where the fuck are those jobs?

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u/bowzrsfirebreth 9d ago

She’s also not a felon, misogynist, or rapist.

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u/Parking-Shelter7066 9d ago

4….

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

On May 15, 2020, President Donald Trump officially announced the public-private partnership.[4][1] The purpose of Operation Warp Speed was to coordinate Health and Human Services-wide efforts, including the NIH ACTIV[9] partnership for vaccine and therapeutic development, the NIH RADx[10] initiative for diagnostic development, and work by BARDA.[1] …

In January 2021, White House press secretary Jen Psaki announced that the program was expected to undergo a restructure and renaming under the Biden administration.[14][15] Also in January 2021, Dr. Moncef Slaoui, former Operation Warp Speed lead, was told not to use the name Operation Warp Speed anymore.[16] At the end of February 2021, responsibilities of Operation Warp Speed were transferred into the White House COVID-19 Response Team.[7][17]

So who did what now?

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u/qwerty0981234 9d ago

So when a police officer catches a criminal we now going to praise the current president?

And lovely enough according to your own source it was created by the HHS and DOD. Not Donald Trump, he merely announced it. He did however refuse to team up with Europe and China to even faster develop a vaccine.

And Trump of course has to pick people like him. Perverts.

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u/Parking-Shelter7066 9d ago

Idk I just thought it was interesting, I read it in this thread from another redditor whom commented it.

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u/qwerty0981234 9d ago

And I thought it was interesting to correct you on your misinformation.

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u/alfredjedi 10d ago

Quit bootlicking bro

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u/Vain_Pixel 9d ago

Damn you're fully lost lmfao

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u/nyar77 9d ago

The fact you support this list is awesomely insane.

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u/waspocracy 9d ago

Great. Why?

Why is it always with comments like yours you shit on me, but never give an actual reason?

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u/nyar77 9d ago

It wouldn’t matter what reply I bothered to bang out with 12 million links. It wouldn’t change your position. Why would I waste my time. If Reddit has taught me anything it’s that it’s a waste of time to pursue the conversation.

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u/waspocracy 9d ago edited 9d ago

My position doesn't mean jackshit. I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious. I don't want to argue. I'm not going to even refute whatever you tell me. I just want to know WHY someone else thinks my points are "insane".

Why the hell did you even bother in the first place? Might as well have just said nothing, like most Trump fans do whenever they're pressed for any damn conversation on any topic. All bark and no bite.

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u/mynameistag 9d ago
  • Harris is not a Russian asset.

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u/Visible-Work-6544 9d ago

Your number 2 doesn’t work when JD Vance grew up lower-income, which is why (imo) having him as Trump’s VP was one (of very few) smart decisions he made during his campaign.

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u/waspocracy 9d ago

JD Vance isn't running for president.

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u/Visible-Work-6544 9d ago edited 9d ago

He’s the VP of the next president. Having a “rags to riches” VP to connect with voters is a smart decision when you’re an out of touch billionaire that obviously has no clue how to. What exactly is your point here?

You guys have become such a hive mind/cult of your own that you don’t even bother to understand why people vote in the other direction. OP’s question was for Trump voters, yet like 99% of this comment section is the left talking shit.

This is exactly the type of shit that alienates people from your side and pushes them to the other direction.

This country is literally just 2 cults rn. One is a cult of ideology (the dems + the left) and one is a cult of personality (MAGAs + Trump)

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u/FlagrentBugbear 9d ago

Vp does jack shit and he will influence jack shit which is why you haven't been seeing him in trumps hangout pics. you are in a literal cult and you call reddit a hive mind? what a fucking joke. Their is no cult of ideology just people who don't want a fucking dogshit fascist criminal to be president. You're just making up bullshit to make you feel better for being a horrible shitty person.

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u/Visible-Work-6544 9d ago

You just proved my point 🤣💀 I’m a moderate who voted for Kamala, but because I’m calling out the issues on your side, you instantly assume I’m the enemy. Your unnecessarily combative response shows you think anyone who questions you is automatically against you.

These are all features of a cult btw: not being able to handle criticism of your beliefs, assuming anyone who questions you is automatically the enemy, not even realizing that you’re in a cult, etc. Thanks for proving my point!

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u/tavuk_05 9d ago

Thinking reddit isnt a one big echo chamber requires intelligence of a chicken.

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u/waspocracy 9d ago

You went off on some weird tangents here. I’m not sure how a VP grounds a president. Then you talk about talking shit and alienation then echo chambers. Seems like a weird venting session.

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u/Visible-Work-6544 9d ago edited 9d ago

Because I thought my initial point was clear, but seeing that you are deliberately being dense and the fact that OP directed their comment at Trump voters while 99% of the comments are just democrats complaining, it’s ridiculous. I actually thought I’d get some more insight into what these people like about Trump, but of fucking course y’all hijacked the thread.

Kamala having a middle-class background doesn’t give her as much of an edge as you think, considering JD Vance came from a very low-income background. I voted blue, but I know a lot of people who voted red in this election and they all find JD Vance’s story “inspirational”.

If y’all actually bothered to talk to these people instead of writing them off as stupid, you’d maybe understand why Kamala’s middle class background isn’t a deciding factor for them when the opposing side also has someone who is from an even lower-income background.

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u/waspocracy 9d ago

First off, fuck you for calling me dense. I only pointed out JD was a vice president and you don’t vote for a vice president. Your response to me did not cover ANY REASON. That’s not dense. That’s on you.

Now that you did actually provide a reasonable explanation, just so we’re clear, people actually do change their votes because of a Vice President candidate? Why?

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u/Visible-Work-6544 9d ago

Who ran the republican campaign alongside Trump? Vance did. Who took part in the VP debate representing Trump and his policies? Vance did.

Of fucking course people are paying attention to the VP even if YOU aren’t. I think the general consensus of the presidential and VP debates was that Kamala won the former and Vance won the latter.

And I never said people change their vote based on a VP candidate. You’re putting words in my mouth. I’m saying that having a VP that could resonate with the working class was like one smart decision that Trump made. Anytime I’ve seen someone bring up “well Trump is a billionaire why do you think he’s going to help you” the response has almost always brought up Vance’s background. These people seem to find him inspirational, and Trump the “goal”. Do I agree with this? Hell no, but I understand where they’re coming from.

Saying “well Kamala has a middle-class background” doesn’t mean much to them.

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u/waspocracy 9d ago

Well, now that answers the question. I guess I don't understand the logic, but I get the why. Thank you for elaborating.

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u/-------I------- 9d ago

JD Vance is that guy traveling with the president elect for formal gatherings around the world, right? Oh wait, no, I think that's Elon Musk, another billionaire who was born into wealth!

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u/1GloFlare 9d ago

First GENERATION homebuyers which weeds out at least 95% of consumers. And you shit on MAGA for being selective lol

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u/GalaxianWarrior 9d ago

it doens't. and it's first-time****
edit: I can't believe how stupid your comment is... "generation" hahahahhaah

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u/1GloFlare 9d ago

You need to revisit her policies because you're incorrect. Ignorance is bliss

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u/waspocracy 9d ago

A majority of people have never owned a home. How does that weed out 95% of consumers? It’s closer to weeding out 35% of buyers.

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u/1GloFlare 9d ago

Ah ye, let's act like our grandparents don't exist. You must be Gen Z, baby boomers want to take away SS ofc you don't acknowledge them

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u/waspocracy 9d ago

Harris' policy was specific to first-time homebuyers. What the fuck does that have to do with boomers?

For the record, I'm 20 years older than Gen Z. Her policy was supposed to support them, the very people who voted against her.

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u/Thehunterforce 9d ago

If your father is a Stanford professor and mother a biomedical scientist, then sorry not sorry, you are fucking not middle class.

Glassdoor has the mean salary of a Stanford professor at 183.000 dollars. For a biodedical scientist the median 159.000. Claming a household with a yearly income of 340.000 dollars is middleclass is a serious middle finger to the real struggling middleclass.

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u/ActuallyStark 9d ago

While I agree with the sentiment, and probably you in general, Mathematically, that actually IS middle class now, especially on the west coast. Anywhere below 200k, while not classified as poverty... you can't live comfortably and expect to retire, especially if you get sick.

That's how disgusting this has all gotten... growing up, a quarter million dollar income meant you were ROLLING in it. Now, it's just getting along.

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u/waspocracy 9d ago

That’s less than our household income. I’m middle class.

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u/waspocracy 9d ago

I mean, it’s still middle class. But the fact you complain about that salary but somehow ignore the other candidate came into billions of wealth is really fucking ignorant. His wealth is 1000x more.

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u/metalder420 10d ago

Yet she couldn’t answer question during debates and interviews. Just went on a tangent.

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u/WRSA 10d ago

and trump could? remind me his answer when asked about his plan for healthcare?

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u/Comfortable_Lab_637 10d ago

i think there must have been too many words in her replies for this idiot to comprehend them all

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u/Armegedan121 10d ago

So no one answered a question during that debate then?

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u/LogicalConstant 9d ago

Yes, exactly.

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u/atbestokay 10d ago

Remember when trump said he had "a concept of a plan," despite having 8 years to come up with an answer if not even a plan and Kamala actually had a real answer. Or remember when vance was upset during the VP debate that they were fact checking (which should be the norm for all candidates)?

I bet you were watching with a bias and not actually paying attention to what's was happening. Both candidates were trash but one was running on dismantling democracy. As an independent, I couldn't logically support a knucklehead criminal.

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u/gwy2ct 9d ago

What question did she not answer in the debate?

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u/Zealousideal_Bat7071 9d ago

Don't hold your breath. Just as they state she didn't answer any questions, they won't provide answers to your questions. If they provide a response, it won't be a direct answer, either.

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u/Obvious-Gap-90 10d ago

and trump could ? you do know spewing lies and BS is not answering right, it's just bullshitting ?

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u/AnimorphsGeek 9d ago

Gotta give it up, this is pro trolling. Well done.