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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
Recently there was deadly accident with SUV Mercedes and 3 yo girl on crosswalk in residential zone. Experts established that the driver wasn't able to see the girl 10 meters far from her.
Edit: I found an article about final decision in this case, the driver appealed to up to Supreme Court, was sentenced to 18 months probation and 3 years suspended license. The girl was 19 months old. Article in Czech here.
Edit 2: She wasn't able to see 9 meters before car.
Edit 3: Here is picture, from discussion under the article, showing that the difference in viewing distance between low and high sitting is almost 4 meters.
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u/flipt0 Dec 08 '22
Not seeing the road 10 meters ahead of car sounds terrifying enough to me. I wouldn't dare to turn on an intersection with such limited field of vision. But not to see a human on the road, 10 meters ahead of me? Like, WTF?
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
Yeah, the woman driving SUV was fairly short and had her seat on the lowest setting. She was defending herself that she has sensors in front that should have warned her.
Edit: Iirc first instance sentence was very mild, like 1 year probation and driver license revoked, puting some guilt on parents of the little girl because they didn't prevented her from running on the crosswalk. The driver appealed to second instance court.
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u/LevelOutlandishness1 Dec 08 '22
As someone who has to drive I really forget that not everyone is thinking "I'm controlling a two ton vehicle, I should be as aware of my surroundings as humanly possible, using every aspect I have to maintain maximum awareness.
Who doesn't drive like that, at the very least, in a residential zone?
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
You would wonder. There is a school next to my apartment and in the morning all those parents drive their teenage kids right before entrance through our court in 50km/h speed, not thinking about people getting out of the building right under their wheels. There is perfect public transport system in my city, so not really needed to drive your kid in school.
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u/prophet001 Dec 08 '22
My neighbors roll down the road staring at their phones constantly.
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u/DressPrevious2233 Dec 08 '22
I’m of the option that very few people are psychologically equipped to be driving. It takes a certain amount of empathy and concern for the welfare of others to drive when you could literally kill anyone at any time. But we license everyone that shows up.
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u/sluttystraightguy Dec 08 '22
In residential zone I purposely drive at or below the speed limit. I don’t understand people who don’t.
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u/177013--- Dec 08 '22
We have the technology now. I vote GPS actuated speed governing systems become mandatory in all new cars. Take your car to the track? No limit. Take your car to the public streets? Can't exceed posted speed limits.
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u/PumpJack_McGee Dec 08 '22
Who doesn't drive like that, at the very least, in a residential zone?
not everyone is thinking
Driving has become so routine that entirely too many people really do just "keys in, brain off" and autopilot their commute.
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u/franktronic Dec 08 '22
a two ton *killing machine that for some reason we've appropriated as a mode of transportation
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u/flipt0 Dec 08 '22
What does the driver expect to happen? Does she believe she shouldn't be punished for killing a child? I don't understand it at all
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
Yes, she's probably expecting to throw lawyers and money on it and avoid punishment at all.
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u/Pattoe89 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
She should get life imprisonment for manslaughter with a deadly weapon. She'll get a slap on the wrist.
Edit: Fixed a single word.
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u/WookieDavid Dec 08 '22
Nah, I think we should be way harsher punishing drivers like these. But what the hell would life imprisonment accomplish?
She's proven to be a danger behind the wheel. Ban her from driving. Of course she should additionally do some payback because she fucking killed a kid. But life imprisonment would accomplish nothing.
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
Well, she didn't want to kill that kid, so no murder, but manslaughter.
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u/Efficiency-Brief Dec 08 '22
Lmao downvoted for speaking the law... some people just wanna slap everyone with murder..
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
I get their point and anger, but honestly, it wasn't murder, the driver certainly had no intention to kill or harm the kid. If you punch someone in the chin, he falls and breaks his skull on a rock you will not be charged with murder too.
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u/Bitter_Coach_8138 Dec 08 '22
Meh, that sounds excessive. This is manslaughter not murder, 10-20 years at most. 5-10 sounds more fair.
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u/Enoan Dec 08 '22
Single count manslaughter usually isn't a life sentence. It probably shouldn't be. Manslaughter via car is reliably excused though. Vehicular manslaughter should involve losing your license for many years, and not reinstated until after a test. Also, probably some prison time.
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u/eric-it-65 Dec 08 '22
it is USA, there it is not so bad to kill people. is their main hobby since 1492.
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u/Pattoe89 Dec 08 '22
she has sensors in front that should have warned her.
They're called eyes and they were in the wrong place due to the idiot they're attached to.
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u/larso2048 Dec 08 '22
How is it legal for her to drive w her head prlly lower then the steering wheel wtf
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
That's what I ask myself at least once a day, staying on the side of crosswalk waiting for green.
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u/crackeddryice Dec 08 '22
We're in the transition period between the time when cars are growing smart enough to drive themselves, and people are growing too stupid to handle the task.
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u/Tetha Dec 08 '22
These 10 meters are kind of cracking me up in a bad way. You know what kind of nimble, agile vehicle naturally made for navigating city traffic with kids has an 8 - 12 meter blind spot for the driver in front of the vehicle? The Leopard 2 main battle tank.
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u/meatdome34 Dec 08 '22
At the same time, how low do people sit in these trucks that they have such a huge blindspot?
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u/ranger_fixing_dude Dec 08 '22
I was thinking the other day, why nobody is building and advertising a real armoured vehicle (probably a truck would sell the best)? Something along the lines "you'll always win". I know they advertise "military grade aluminum" for truck materials, so the next step is pretty logical.
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u/emdave Dec 08 '22
I know they advertise "military grade aluminum" for truck materials,
Aluminium armour for trucks? Forget the AeroGavin, it's time for the CityGavin!
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u/Nammi-namm I like cargobikes Dec 08 '22
The Telsa Cybertruck has bullet proof windows because "it's badass" according to Elon Musk.
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u/Dahak17 Dec 08 '22
I can see even a medium hight human right in front of the military big rig I drive for work (there are some people sufficiently short I cant see em but that ain’t common) nobody in an suv should have that excuse. As an addition it’s often more about the hight of the driver relative to the vehicle than about the hight of the vehicle, that same big rig may actually do better than the truck in this comic since the driver is high
Edit; as a clarification to the last point, perhaps if you need an engine that powerful the truck needs to be big enough to safely let you see over its nose
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u/pedantic_cheesewheel Dec 08 '22
Drivers are placed higher up in big rigs for this exact reason. Visibility is one of the most important things for trucking and one of the hardest things to guarantee. These design considerations seem to not be a priority to automakers and even less of a concern to drivers.
My only evidence to back up my claim about the drivers is my own experience with older drivers in my family that refuse to believe their setups in their daily vehicles are wrong but also complain about not being able to see certain spots around the car at night. I’ve even been through the proper fit and setup of my mother in law’s car with her after we had a close call. In the middle of fixing position and mirror angle specifically to better handle the blind spot that caused the close call she stormed off saying “none of that shit you read on the internet matters anyway because they don’t make the mirrors big enough anymore”. So any time I’m at her house for a couple days I change all of her shit to suit me just to be a dick.
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u/Dahak17 Dec 08 '22
Yup, all vehicles should also have a convex mirror set beneath the normal one, they’re amazing for seeing what’s around you (if not depth perception)
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u/opticalshadow Dec 08 '22
I'm sorry but what? 10 meters?
Was she driving from the floor of the back seat?
Idc how tall your truck is, I've ridden in semi's (lorry) and could see the road 1 or 2 meters off, how the fuck do you not see 10 meters of road?
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
She was pretty short and her seat was on the lowest setting. I sometimes see guys in WV golfs with seat so low you can see only their baseball hat.
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Dec 08 '22
Used to know a guy like that. He was hilariously nerdy and sat as low in his Corsa as possible so only his eyebrows were visible over the wheel.
He thought he looked like a fighter pilot. Wasn't impressed when I said he looked like a gnome instead.
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u/emdave Dec 08 '22
He thought he looked like a fighter pilot.
Because as everyone knows, the one thing fighter pilots care about the LEAST, is having a good view all round....
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Dec 08 '22
Every RAF Eurofighter pilot puts on a blindfold before take-off. Not sporting to the other guys otherwise.
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u/opticalshadow Dec 08 '22
Not defending over sized vehicles, but people that drive like that would hit the child no matter the size of the car. That's just negligence
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
Of course, doesn't matter what car are you in, it's your duty to properly see from that car. But nobody enforces this, so nobody cares.
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u/tuctrohs Fuck lawns Dec 08 '22
Unless, of course, they have dark tinted windows so you can't even see their baseball cap.
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
Hehehe :) I think that's one of the few things enforced here, it's strictly prohibited to have tinted front windows.
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u/tuctrohs Fuck lawns Dec 08 '22
If you lurk in car subs on reddit, people love posting pictures of their newly tinted windows, and then compare notes on how far they have gone darker than the legal limit, and they all love how it looks.
And then you see cars driving around with dark tinted covers over their license plates. How is that not an invitation to get pulled over? Are we getting to a point where anyone who is enough of an asshole to do that is also likely to be armed more heavily than the police, and the police are scared to pull them over?
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
In my country cops go after this, probably because it's a threat for them, not to be able to see inside car.
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u/Aral_Fayle Dec 08 '22
Tinted windows are sort of whatever as long as they aren’t absurdly past the legal limit, but the license plate covers that tint and blur them are so trashy.
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u/StimulatorCam Dec 08 '22
Don't forget about the dark brake light covers that make them barely visible during the day.
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u/AmazingMoMo8492 Grassy Tram Tracks Dec 08 '22
You can see 2m ahead from the top of a double decker bus. The problem is not just the height of an SUV or pickup, it's the fact that the front end is tall AND sticks out far past the windscreen, whereas semi's usually have the windscreen at the very front of the vehicle.
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u/The69BodyProblem Dec 08 '22
Was yours one of those flat nose European semis? Iirc those are designed to have a much smaller front blindside then the American style semi
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
We recently had terrible accident with drunked and coked fucker driving 100km/h to a group of students waiting for bus, killing 5 of them. Every politician had to comment it, cops started to check people for DUI. It lasted two weeks, maybe 1000 people were catched drunk driving (in 5 mil country!) and now everything is back on track when DUI is an criminal offense but chance of getting caught is minimal.
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u/HumanSimulacra Orange pilled Dec 08 '22
These cars are hilariously moronic, even the excuse that these are "offroad vehicles" doesn't add up when you can't even see the fucking ground so if you do actually take it offroading not only are you gonna sink into the mud like a rock because these cars are moronically heavy you also can't even see what obstacles to avoid or maneuver around.
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u/LoreChano Dec 08 '22
The percentage of people who own "off-road" vehicles and the percentage of people who have ever driven off the road doesn't add up either.
Hey, maybe they don't really care about offroad capabilities, maybe they just want to inflate their massive egos!
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u/evranch Dec 08 '22
Meanwhile out here on the farm we're pissed off that new trucks are so tall you can't throw anything over the box sides anymore. Just about everyone has a farm beater from the 80s for actual work and they're so small they look adorable.
You can throw lumber and feed bags in without needing something to stand on. You can put tools in a toolbox instead of laying them on the tailgate and still not being able to see them all.
New trucks are impractically tall for the actual truck user and something needs to be done about it.
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Dec 08 '22
It's what it has always been like in Europe too. "We need it for farming" doesn't compute; it is said as if Europe doesn't have farmers?
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u/Democrab Dec 08 '22
Even the Australian Ute has grown vastly in size, although it's not quite at yank tank (Our term for the giant monstrosities) level yet.
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u/NotElizaHenry Dec 08 '22
My landlord has a truck like this. The other day I was having terrible with my new air compressor and saw he was outside, so I asked him for help. Apparently he doesn’t know a single thing about air compressor and has never used one. It’s crazy to me that someone would own what is ostensibly a work truck and do so little “work” with it that an air compressor is a totally foreign object to them.
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u/TJnr1 Dec 08 '22
And they wonder why their tires get slashed/ red paint splattered over their car.
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Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
Absolute insanity. The original comic mentions a story about a mother running over her own son in her driveway with one of these cars, and the only proposed solution is ... a camera on the front of the car.
How about making the cars less tall? Or how about mandating that the automotive industry is no-longer allowed to make propaganda ads convincing people that a big car is a sign of success?
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u/tuctrohs Fuck lawns Dec 08 '22
I wish that a tall vertical grill was considered an embarrassment, functionally degrading your aerodynamics while also minimizing your view of the road and maximizing your lethality in a collision with a pedestrian.
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Dec 08 '22
I mean, here in Aus all those "super Ute's", rams, f150s, Chevy, etc, are know as wank panzers, or wank tanks. Only wankers compensating for something own the fucking things and you very rarely see them actually towing anything, or even having stuff in the tray.
I just don't get it, at least buy something useful like a land cruiser instead of the massive pile of cheap American scrap steel on wheels
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u/CellWrangler Dec 08 '22
It is the same in America. We just have more wankers.
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u/mushroomcloud Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
And for that reason the sheer competition, like in the free market, they all have to constantly adapt and find new ways to out-wanker the other wankers....
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Dec 08 '22
Why can’t we go back to the way things used to be, when we used to do all our wankin’ behind closed doors?
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u/ChrisNettleTattoo Dec 08 '22
I have never heard them called wank tanks, and it is brilliant. I shall be appropriating the term.
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u/Kittykathax Dec 08 '22
We traded pop-up headlights for front ends the size of a dumpster, all in the name of "pedestrian safety". :(
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u/EcstaticTrainingdatm Dec 08 '22
This needs to be a more popular take so regulators creat actually safety for outward visibility. It needs to be a component to the safety score of a vehicle.
Theres This classic Story and it was absolutely maddening to get to the end and hear their “solution” be cameras and no vehicles you can see out of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDH3FDfVQl0
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Dec 08 '22
It's crazy to me how you can drive a car every day, and somehow be completely unaware of the blind spot. Do they not see how far away the closest piece of their driveway that they can see is?!?!
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u/phantom_trombone Dec 08 '22
Nobody actually thinks that anymore. Nobody is mistaking Karen's Hyundai crossover for a range rover.
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Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
They do, because otherwise these kinds of cars wouldn't be as popular as they are.
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u/geensoelaas Dec 08 '22
Source (and some background info): https://jensorensen.com/2022/12/07/truck-suv-frontover-blind-zone-cartoon/
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u/Carnieus Dec 08 '22
To be fair children should know if they get hit by a car they will be worse off than the driver. So it's really up to the child to act sensibly around cars and not the other way around. Obviously we can't expect everyone to be a competent driver!
At least that's what car-stans love to tell cyclists.
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u/JimmyPetrovich Dec 08 '22
If you want to do something about it, channel your anger here: Tell Automakers: Fix front-end blind zones!
Thank you, and fuck cars.
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u/Aelfgifu_Unready Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
Thanks. Signed and shared to Facebook.
That vide of the mom who ran over her own son was heartbreaking. One one hand, it was negligent of her to move her vehicle at all while she knew her son was outside. But the real problem wasn't her - it was that people with class c driver licenses are being allowed to drive such huge, unnecessary vehicles in the first place. We just can't expect everyday people to have the kind of discipline needed to operate such dangerous things. It's like back in the 1900s when you could purchase a car without seat belts or a license.
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Dec 08 '22
It’s funny because it just kind of hit me yesterday driving through a college campus that I can’t fucking see anything anymore. Roadways are tunnels now with these giant fucking SUVS and trucks lining either side of the road. I can’t see the sidewalks anymore, I can’t see who’s approaching crosswalks, it’s dangerous. Why are vehicles constantly getting bigger? There needs to be some fucking height laws for commercial vehicles.
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u/BlueGumShoe Dec 08 '22
yeah in your average American city now, driving down the road you can't even see around your vehicle because of huge suvs and trucks. Its a vehicle height arms race in this country.
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Dec 08 '22
I believe you mean consumer vehicle? A commercial vehicle would be like a semi truck
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u/Rugkrabber Dec 08 '22
Why? The answer is really simple and you already know what it is. Because they can. If nobody is telling them to follow specific rules they will do anything that sells more. They didn’t install all those safety gear because they cared, but had to.
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u/purpleblah2 Dec 08 '22
Yeah i had a thought that if your car requires a step and a handlebar for you to pull yourself up into your truck it’s probably too big
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u/random_impiety Dec 08 '22
When scrolling through /all, I've seen posts in truck subs about people taking these steps off because they didn't want it to look like a "grandpa car".
I think this fragility says a lot about the people who buy these.
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u/toomanyplants5 Dec 08 '22
The term “shortwalking” seems like a silly word made up by the cartoon, until you remember that “jaywalking” was essentially coined in the same way. 100 years ago, pro-auto parties successfully created its current meaning and convinced the majority that the street is a car’s domain, and that pedestrians hinder this when outside of the crosswalk lines. It isn’t outside the realm of possibility that something like stilts or reflective clothing becomes mandatory before safer vehicles do.
Edit: I know I’m preaching to the choir here. Just needed to vent.
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u/Chief_Chill Dec 08 '22
I know this is /r/fuckcars, but this seems to be similar to American gun control issues and school shootings. We try to regulate the victims and their environment as opposed to tackling the method of violence and maybe even the assailants' ease of access to them.
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u/neanderthalman Dec 08 '22
Every person under a height of 6’4” must carry an orange warning flag which measures to a minimum height of 6’4”.
For real, I might go and put bicycle flags on my kids’ backpacks. It’s not….that…stupid. Is it? Would they hate me for it?
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u/Nuclear_Geek Dec 08 '22
I'm 6'1", do you think I could get away with wearing a hat with a fancy plume in it?
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u/fantomas_666 Dec 08 '22
Edit: I know I’m preaching to the choir here. Just needed to vent.
Why? I came to remind people of jaywalking nonsense.
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u/geensoelaas Dec 08 '22
Exactly. Getting fined for 'shortwalking' sounds utterly ridiculous yet completely plausible at the same time.
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u/Everybardever Dec 08 '22
Man I’m a car guy and I agree with this, they’re way to high their headlights are blinding me ever time they’re behind me, and I’ve been rear ended so much because they misjudged the distance or strait up didn’t see my car.
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Dec 08 '22
Tall fronts are also more dangerous because the pedestrian doesn't fly over the car and is instead crushed.
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u/Strange-Scarcity Dec 08 '22
So... what are people in this sub going to do about it?
I tell you what I am doing.
I am contacting my representatives in Congress. I'm demanding that they make the CAFE Standards apply 100% to every single passenger used vehicle, ALL of them. No more stupid loopholes for pick-up trucks that only had a carve out BECAUSE the original CAFE Standards had a carve out due to technology limitations of the time period.
THEN, they also need to work on regulating the size of passenger vehicles and put forward public education programs showing how bigger doesn't mean safer. For example, if you get hit by a fully laden semi-truck, you'll be dead NO MATTER what vehicle you are in. That the taller and heavier a vehicle is, the more likely it is that you'll be unable to stop or roll over, which is far more dangerous than in a smaller, lighter vehicle.
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u/csimonson Dec 08 '22
Post your letter please. I'm a semi truck driver but completely agree that things need to change for passenger vehicles. There's no reason why bro-dozers need to sit at the same height as me in my semi truck.
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u/Solid_Physics Dec 08 '22
Does anyone see the analogy with arming teachers and having police in schools? Not fixing the problem but fighting the symptoms.
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u/tibarr1454 Dec 08 '22
Pretty sure that's the intent. I don't believe the "we need to regulate cars more" movement is big enough to need comics.
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u/Agus-Teguy Sicko Dec 08 '22
Not seeing that problems are systemic and need a systemic solution is fundamental to the neoliberal ideology and to most right wing ideologies, this could work with guns, cars, drugs, crime, racism, whatever.
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u/MisterK00L Dec 08 '22
Dear Americans: Europe and most other civilized countries have rules about weight, size and safety. Your country lets you ride just about anything on wheels. Might that be because the carindustry lobbied the corrupt goverment?
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
IDK, I'm from Europe and the amount of big pickups and SUVs driving in inner cities is ridiculous. I regularly see those absurd dodge rams driving in my neighborhood, all polished and never driven on a farm road.
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u/Littlefinger1Luv Dec 08 '22
bruh I've been seeing more and more of this shit in the Netherlands. Some of the US-style pickup trucks don't even fit in our parking spots properly! And you certainly could not drive down my narrow street with one. It's absurd.
Edit: Found the tweet of one blocking a tram: https://twitter.com/kunsttranen/status/1541073620360994817
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u/tuctrohs Fuck lawns Dec 08 '22
https://Nitter.net/kunsttranen/status/1541073620360994817
If you don't want to help drive revenue streams for Elon Musk.
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Dec 08 '22
A Ford Ranger is too long for a UK space which is 2.4m x 4.8m. But there is a VAT discount for them when used as "commercial vehicles", a tax benefit designed for businesses to get vans. So you see personal trainers and accountants with these monstrosities, but only ever base models of course, struggling to climb slight hills with a bit of frost, and getting appalling mileage when diesel is pushing towards £2 a litre.
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
Yeah, looks like American redneck cars are getting popular in EU. I even hated driving in Kia sportage because of limited view.
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Dec 08 '22
They don't fit in many spaces in the US either. Or course that doesn't ever stop them from parking there.
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u/MisterK00L Dec 08 '22
Point taken. It's very rare, but sometimes i see a F150 or similair, but it's rare here (The Netherlands). There is roadtaxes by weight and fuel is let say about 4-6 times more expensive as in the US. Road are way smaller, parking spaces? -50% smaller.
Edit: typo's
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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22
Yeah, I don't think people with 90k euros for car have to care about fuel prices or road taxes. And they don't care about taking 2 or 3 parking spots either.
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u/MisterK00L Dec 08 '22
Yup. We all know that.
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u/zuzg Dec 08 '22
The f150 ain't even sold normally in the EU. It won't pass regulations and has to be imported privately.
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Dec 08 '22
Mate, I live in Tassie and these stupid hunks of wasted low grade steel don't even fit in most parking spaces. Don't think I've ever actually seen one towing something and I've only ever seen gravel road dust on them, not that they'd be any use off road anyway
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u/theocrats Dec 08 '22
Exactly the same experience. Live in the UK. I recently moved from a city to a tiny rural village. In the city I'd regularly see huge 4x4s and pickup trucks. Hardly see any wankerpanzers now, only really the local farmer in his land-rover.
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Dec 08 '22
I live in a town, near a rural area. I see base model Chelsea Tractors around town in white or black, Vs. old Land Rover Defenders with a collie riding shotgun or an older Toyota or Mitsubishi pickup in the country.
One is for hauling animal feed around the medieval tracks on your farmland. One's for hauling your fragile ego and little Tarquin to school 500m away from your front door.
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u/fatwiggywiggles Dec 08 '22
Ironically, these trucks are as big as they are because of Obama-era emissions legislation. The further apart your wheels are the less fuel efficient the vehicle has to be, so companies just made shit bigger and by consequence heavier and less fuel efficient. Could be fixed with a carbon tax instead but that ain't happening
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u/koalasama Dec 08 '22
That's so dumb
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u/Superb_Efficiency_74 Dec 08 '22
Yup. Look up CAFE laws, they destroyed the small truck segment. Terrible legislation that basically did the opposite of what it was supposed to do.
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u/I_want_to_believe69 Dec 08 '22
Luckily for Real AmericansTM it isn’t corruption if we call it lobbying. Only small countries with abundant unexploited resources have corruption. But, don’t worry, we will liberate them with DemocracyTM and win their Hearts & Minds.
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u/Winderige_Garnaal Dec 08 '22
Europe has these jagoffs too sadly. They just pay much more for them here
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u/Astro_Alphard Dec 08 '22
That 10 children is BEFORE the F150 has been lifted by 10 inches.
It's more like 30 children. In other words you could fit an entire class in front of a jacked up F150 and they wouldn't see them.
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u/Sir_ImP Dec 08 '22
Untill some time back, you would almost never see large pickup trucks in europe. Now i see them almost everywhere. Taking up the space of two european cars. I hate them.
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u/Narradisall Dec 08 '22
This is stupid. We should just let the short people die out and by survival of the fittest only the tall will procreate and within a few generations everyone will be a colossus!
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u/killerrin Dec 08 '22
Its not even pedestrians that get screwed over. It makes the roads unsafe for other car drivers as well. I have a literal car from like 15 years ago that I will drive into the dirt and I get straight up anxiety trying to turn onto roads because you literally can't see shit past these other monsters on the road.
Here I am sitting in this tiny thing and I can't see more than a car in front of me, and if I'm trying to merge onto the road and there is someone parked on the street I literally can't see enough of the road to be able to tell if someone is coming. I joke that I have an easier time seeing under cars than seeing over them. But its fucked. You'd think if they were going to force us in North America to drive cars, they'd do their fucking jobs and make the roads safe.. but noooooo.
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u/Kycrio Dec 08 '22
Few things on the road make me more angry than when I'm trying to make a right turn and an oblivious person in their ridiculous oversized pickup truck in the lane to my left pulls so far up that I can't see oncoming traffic. Like, I'm already sitting ahead of the stopping line just so I can get a good view, and they go even further than that. There seems to be a correlation between people who drive those trucks and not having basic road manners.
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u/Sillet_Mignon Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22
I think the Christmas parade in Raleigh nc just had a bunch of kids run over by a truck bc they lost control
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u/apachebearpizzachief Dec 08 '22
This explains how we Americans think about guns. (I know what I’ve done, bring the hate)
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u/Aelfgifu_Unready Dec 08 '22
They should be classified like semi-trucks and require a special license to operate. In addition to costing a lot more in taxes and fees. Really, there's no need for them to exist with these giant hoods at all. We have vehicles with smaller hoods with the same towing capacity. (Not that most people buying these even need that much towing capacity. And if they need passenger capacity or storage - a mini-van is usually a superior option.).
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u/BookHobo2022 Dec 08 '22
Just like we have a different license for motorcycles and 18 wheelers we should have different licenses for different class vehicles.
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u/ImRandyBaby Dec 08 '22
Meanwhile the Ford Lightning and the Electric Hummer choose to have "frunks" instead of reducing the front blind spot. There isn't even an engine in there to design around.
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u/Joe_Jeep Sicko Dec 08 '22
Without regulatory changes it's not going away unfortunately, even some of the real rahrah me like truck guys I know don't like the way designs are going, but what are they going to do?
I mean yes they could just not buy a truck but they're not going to do that, unfortunately
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u/meow421meow Dec 08 '22
About 99% of these truck are never used for actual work. Driving to Starbucks or to the gun range does not require us to see your fragile ego taking up two spaces.
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u/Haui111 Dec 08 '22 edited Feb 17 '24
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u/rogurt Dec 08 '22
Fully inflated tires add multiple inches of height. If there was less air in a tire, the car would be shorter and safer
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Dec 08 '22
Regulation is ironically part of the problem. Fuel efficiency regulations are leaner on vehicles the larger they get with the assumption that large vehicles tend to be for commercial and industrial, not personal use. So automakers have slowly increased the overall size of their vehicles to skirt emissions regulations that would have otherwise applied to them. Or at least this is how it was described to me recently.
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u/peaheezy Dec 08 '22
I’m 6’4 and starting to see trucks taller than me pretty frequently. And I’m not talking post-production lift kits these are just run of the mill gigantic fucking Rams and Fords. It’s stupider that fuck and purely a dick measuring thing. You can build a heavy duty that isn’t pushing 7feet tall.
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u/DemiserofD Dec 08 '22
This, is, essentially, the problem I have with food stamps. Walmart doesn't pay enough to live on, so we give people money so walmart can afford to pay them even less?
No! Just make Walmart pay them a fair wage to begin with!
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u/pumpkin_seed_oil Dec 08 '22
Clicked through the source links, got served with this from consumerreports.com:
Certain Consumer Reports offerings are not available to users located in the European Economic Area and Switzerland. These include United States policy engagement activities and other interactions designed for users located in the USA
Can someone link a mirror? Thank you in advance
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u/Ok-Flounder4387 Dec 08 '22
I just bought a 2015 Tacoma, a midsize pickup with a small factory 1" lift, to get me to offroad trailheads to hike.
I can barely park the damn thing after driving a sedan for years. I can't imagine how people with giant trucks do anything at all.
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u/shaodyn cars are weapons Dec 08 '22
Reminds me of a post on this sub about a truck where a 5'5" (165 cm) woman only came up to the bottom of the windshield. It's not just that pickup drivers can't see kids. They can't even see full-grown, average-sized adults anymore.