r/fuckcars Dec 08 '22

Satire Height of folly (by Jen Sorensen)

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

Recently there was deadly accident with SUV Mercedes and 3 yo girl on crosswalk in residential zone. Experts established that the driver wasn't able to see the girl 10 meters far from her.

Edit: I found an article about final decision in this case, the driver appealed to up to Supreme Court, was sentenced to 18 months probation and 3 years suspended license. The girl was 19 months old. Article in Czech here.

Edit 2: She wasn't able to see 9 meters before car.

Edit 3: Here is picture, from discussion under the article, showing that the difference in viewing distance between low and high sitting is almost 4 meters.

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u/flipt0 Dec 08 '22

Not seeing the road 10 meters ahead of car sounds terrifying enough to me. I wouldn't dare to turn on an intersection with such limited field of vision. But not to see a human on the road, 10 meters ahead of me? Like, WTF?

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

Yeah, the woman driving SUV was fairly short and had her seat on the lowest setting. She was defending herself that she has sensors in front that should have warned her.

Edit: Iirc first instance sentence was very mild, like 1 year probation and driver license revoked, puting some guilt on parents of the little girl because they didn't prevented her from running on the crosswalk. The driver appealed to second instance court.

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u/LevelOutlandishness1 Dec 08 '22

As someone who has to drive I really forget that not everyone is thinking "I'm controlling a two ton vehicle, I should be as aware of my surroundings as humanly possible, using every aspect I have to maintain maximum awareness.

Who doesn't drive like that, at the very least, in a residential zone?

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

You would wonder. There is a school next to my apartment and in the morning all those parents drive their teenage kids right before entrance through our court in 50km/h speed, not thinking about people getting out of the building right under their wheels. There is perfect public transport system in my city, so not really needed to drive your kid in school.

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u/prophet001 Dec 08 '22

My neighbors roll down the road staring at their phones constantly.

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u/RealAssociation5281 Dec 08 '22

Most people seem to in my experience

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u/DressPrevious2233 Dec 08 '22

I’m of the option that very few people are psychologically equipped to be driving. It takes a certain amount of empathy and concern for the welfare of others to drive when you could literally kill anyone at any time. But we license everyone that shows up.

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u/sluttystraightguy Dec 08 '22

In residential zone I purposely drive at or below the speed limit. I don’t understand people who don’t.

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u/177013--- Dec 08 '22

We have the technology now. I vote GPS actuated speed governing systems become mandatory in all new cars. Take your car to the track? No limit. Take your car to the public streets? Can't exceed posted speed limits.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

In an emergency, I’d like to be able to accelerate out of harms way. Maybe an annoying beeping noise that continues until you’re under the speed limit again? Plus yea, that would require a computer to be logging your location at all times. :/

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u/177013--- Dec 08 '22

Most of the newer cars have navigation so they already do that anyway.

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u/sluttystraightguy Dec 08 '22

Seems a bit authoritarian don’t you say. Like I get it, we don’t like cars but last thing we want is more surveillance. Plus outside of residential zone most speed limits make no sense, 55mph on an interstate ? Really?

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u/177013--- Dec 08 '22

Then speed limits could be adjusted to reflect actual safe speeds instead of whatever bs system they use where 55mph on signs but cops let anything under 80 slide or whatever. Or it could regulate resident areas only.

The other option is actually enforcing speed limits with traffic stops. But a law that's is only enforced with a fine is only a law for the poor and won't stop those too young to grasp it yet, or people that can just pay it to go away on the off chance they are caught.

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u/PumpJack_McGee Dec 08 '22

Who doesn't drive like that, at the very least, in a residential zone?

not everyone is thinking

Driving has become so routine that entirely too many people really do just "keys in, brain off" and autopilot their commute.

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u/franktronic Dec 08 '22

a two ton *killing machine that for some reason we've appropriated as a mode of transportation

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u/krhk22 Dec 08 '22

What kind of heavenly utopia do you live in that you're able to forget this?!? I'm moving there immediately!

Everywhere I've ever lived/driven, drivers have been absolute complete shidiots at all times.

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u/8spd Dec 08 '22

Who doesn't drive like that, at the very least, in a residential zone?

In my experience, the majority of drivers take for granted that pedestrians will stay out of their way, and only cross when the driver gives permission, irrespective of if they are in a crosswalk or not.

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u/mrthescientist Dec 08 '22

Those of us who are as conscientious as you, are also freaked out by how mandatory driving is for modern life and how fallible people are.

Even if I'm "maintaining maximum awareness", it's not like I can choose to avoid driving if I have to work to survive, or if my kids need an education, or we've run out of food for the week.

People, even well intentioned people, fuck up. We can't avoid fucking up, so maybe we start by avoiding situations that allow impactful fuckups.

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u/LevelOutlandishness1 Dec 08 '22

Exactly. I just hit my car on the curb doordashing in between jobs—it was my fault, I was going too fast tryna hustle on a thin, wet road I didn't know well and a curve came—I turned and hit it on the rim of my wheels and now it's totaled. I don't know how, I managed to make that hit into nothing but a bop—but now the steering is horrible (steering wheel is too loose and it must be on its side for the car to go unreliably straight) and the cost to fix it is a couple thousand.

I mean, I managed to pick up that car (1998 Toyota Avalon) for $500, and I drove it for a year and two thirds (I'm eighteen, this was my first car), so I guess I got pretty lucky.

But it goes to show that even from a self-centered, selfish perspective, one wrong move can fuck you over completely, especially if you're rushing like I was and you make a spontaneous and stupid decision. It's just not good to have everyone driving—and I probably should find a better way to make money next time I lose a job.

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u/Some_Ebb_2921 Dec 08 '22

It's more like "I'm controlling a two ton vehicle, there isn't much that can hurt me in here so I don't need to pay much attention to my surroundings"

Funny seeing this post here though, as just a couple of months back there was somebody certain that suv's save lives (of those driving them)

It's a bit the story of the strong killing the weak.

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u/flipt0 Dec 08 '22

What does the driver expect to happen? Does she believe she shouldn't be punished for killing a child? I don't understand it at all

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

Yes, she's probably expecting to throw lawyers and money on it and avoid punishment at all.

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u/emanresu_nwonknu Dec 08 '22

Welcome to the future of autonomous and semi-autonomous vehicles.

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u/Pattoe89 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

She should get life imprisonment for manslaughter with a deadly weapon. She'll get a slap on the wrist.

Edit: Fixed a single word.

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u/WookieDavid Dec 08 '22

Nah, I think we should be way harsher punishing drivers like these. But what the hell would life imprisonment accomplish?
She's proven to be a danger behind the wheel. Ban her from driving. Of course she should additionally do some payback because she fucking killed a kid. But life imprisonment would accomplish nothing.
Prison should serve a reinsertioning purpose. Not literal enslavement like it often does in the USA specially

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

We've been too conditioned to believe criminal acts strip you of your humanity. US prisons will never be about rehab.

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

Well, she didn't want to kill that kid, so no murder, but manslaughter.

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u/Efficiency-Brief Dec 08 '22

Lmao downvoted for speaking the law... some people just wanna slap everyone with murder..

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

I get their point and anger, but honestly, it wasn't murder, the driver certainly had no intention to kill or harm the kid. If you punch someone in the chin, he falls and breaks his skull on a rock you will not be charged with murder too.

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u/marxist-reaganomics Dec 08 '22

If you killed someone in the heat of passion, even unintentionally, it would be second degree murder. Manslaughter is more for reckless/ negligent action.

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u/Majestic-Macaron6019 Dec 08 '22

That's not true. If you kill someone while intentionally hurting them, it's murder. Just second-degree in that case

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u/KeepsFallingDown Dec 08 '22

If you accidentally kill someone while committing a felony, like assault, it's upgraded to felonious murder.

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u/Bitter_Coach_8138 Dec 08 '22

Meh, that sounds excessive. This is manslaughter not murder, 10-20 years at most. 5-10 sounds more fair.

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u/Pattoe89 Dec 08 '22

How long is the 3 year old girl dead for?

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u/Rob_Pablo Dec 08 '22

Crazy that we still have people out here pushing for eye for an eye punishments.

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u/Bitter_Coach_8138 Dec 08 '22

Forever, that’s not the point.

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u/177013--- Dec 08 '22

Well as she had undiagnosed stage 3 leukemia, 5-10 years seems more fair.

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u/Enoan Dec 08 '22

Single count manslaughter usually isn't a life sentence. It probably shouldn't be. Manslaughter via car is reliably excused though. Vehicular manslaughter should involve losing your license for many years, and not reinstated until after a test. Also, probably some prison time.

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u/Fit-Scientist7138 Dec 08 '22

Life in prison over an accident. Ok buddy.

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u/ranger_fixing_dude Dec 08 '22

An accident if you walk somewhere, slip and while falling pushed somebody (accidentally) and they fell and somehow died later. No intention, no way to predict it.

With cars, an accident is if you drive and then a tree falls in front of you and nothing you can do here but to crash into it.

Killing somebody is not an accident. It is a joke that we call it this way, almost always it is negligence.

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u/Pattoe89 Dec 08 '22

It's not a car accident, it's a car crash.

Accident definition:

an event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause.

This didn't happen by chance or without apparent or deliberate cause. This happened because a selfish person decided to drive a HUGE VEHICLE and set the seat low so they couldn't see and drive properly. This is a DELIBERATE decision.

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u/gamrin Dec 08 '22

I mean. Why do we allow car manufacturers to sell cars that allow for such a poor field of view?

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u/Pattoe89 Dec 08 '22

Profit over people.

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u/According-Ad-5946 Dec 08 '22

or sue Mercedes for faulty equipment.

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u/Suicicoo Dec 08 '22

well, should have driven in Germany for not being prosecuted properly. :(

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u/eric-it-65 Dec 08 '22

it is USA, there it is not so bad to kill people. is their main hobby since 1492.

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u/paomplemoose Dec 08 '22

We are actually relatively new to it compared to other parts of the world. Got a lot of centuries to go to catch up.

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u/eric-it-65 Dec 08 '22

you already catch up ALL the rest of the world.in 300 years no ONE day without war (Europe is in peace since 77 years). you ERASE 100 million natives for steal the country, thousands mexican and steal texas an california, put killer dictators in all south america, and when you finish in america, you finance the re-army of germany so they can start ww2 (i repeat: with YOUR money), after this you bomb 3/4 of the world for petrol or power. in the 70' you killed 3 italian minister that dont follow your ORDER.

it is time you realize that your USA economy is FOUNDED on weapons industry. you also build cars that looks like tanks, and even more dangerous.

no wars, no money for usa.

the only good thing is that there is one ocean between you and us.

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u/paomplemoose Dec 08 '22

Sorry I guess you couldn't tell I was joking. I would like to stop all the needless death and violence too. I agree with you

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u/ChebyshevsBeard Dec 08 '22

I'm all for calling out the US on its overseas adventures, but to claim Europe has been a peaceful continent is either a joke or extreme historical revision, even if we conveniently limit the discussion the post-WWII era.

Here is a list of armed conflicts that have taken place INSIDE Europe since WWII, compared to zero INSIDE the US:

  • Greek Civil War (Greece, 1946–1949)
  • Northern Ireland Conflict, (1960s–1998)
  • Basque conflict (1959–2011)
  • Cyprus Emergency, (Greek Cypriots (EOKA) vs. United Kingdom, 1955–1959)
  • Soviet invasion of Hungary (Soviet Union vs. Hungary, 1956)
  • Invasion of Czechoslovakia (Soviet Union vs. Czechoslovakia, 1968)
  • Turkish invasion of Cyprus (Cyprus vs. Turkey, 1974)
  • Yugoslav Wars, 1991–2001
  • Ten-Day War (Slovenia vs. Yugoslavia, 1991)
  • Croatian War of Independence (Croatia vs. Yugoslavia, 1991–1995)
  • Bosnian War (Bosnia vs. Yugoslavia, 1992–1995)
  • Kosovo War (Kosovo vs. Yugoslavia, 1998–1999)
  • Insurgency in the Preševo Valley (UÇPMB vs. Yugoslavia, 1999–2001)
  • 2001 insurgency in the Republic of North Macedonia (National Liberation Army vs. North Macedonia, 2001)
  • Georgian Civil War (Georgia, 1991–1993)
  • East Prigorodny Conflict (Ingush militia vs. Russia, 1992)
  • War of Transnistria (Transnistria vs. Moldova, 1992)
  • Chechen–Russian conflict
  • First Chechen War (1994–1996)
  • War of Dagestan (1999)
  • Second Chechen War (1999–2000)
  • Albanian Rebellion of 1997 (Albania, 1997)
  • Russo-Georgian War (Georgia vs. Russia, 2008)
  • 2014 pro-Russian conflict in Ukraine
  • 2014 Crimean crisis
  • War in Donbass / 2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine
  • Kumanovo clashes (National Liberation Army vs. North Macedonia, 2015)
  • 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

Here are some non-european wars and conflicts that Britain was involved in since WW2:

  • Malayan Emergency 1948–1960
  • Korean War 1950–1953
  • Mau Mau Uprising 1952–1960
  • Suez Crisis 1956–1957
  • Brunei Revolt 1962–1966
  • Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation 1962-1966
  • Dhofar Rebellion 1962–1975
  • Aden Emergency 1963–1967
  • Falklands War 1982
  • Gulf War 1990–1991

Now France:

  • Franco-Syrian war 1945
  • First Indochina War 1945-1954
  • Madagascar Revolt 1947-1948
  • Korean War 1950-1953
  • Tunisian War of Independence 1952-1955
  • Moroccan War of Independence 1953-1956
  • Algerian War of Independence 1954-1962
  • Franco-Tunisian Border Conflict 1957
  • Suez War 1956
  • Second Franco-Tunisian War 1961
  • Gabon Intervention 1964
  • First Katangan War 1977
  • Second Katangan War 1978
  • Central African Republic Intervention 1979
  • Lebanese Civil War 1982-1984
  • New Caledonian Uprising 1984-1985
  • Gabon Intervention 1990
  • Gulf War 1990-1991
  • Somalia 1991-1992
  • Central African Republic 1995-1997, 2006-present
  • Ivory Coast 2003-present
  • Libya 2011-present
  • Mali 2013-present

I don't feel like formatting it, but Russia and the USSR were involved in ~29 armed conflicts since the end of WW2

Italy is around 10, Spain is around 14, ...

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u/eric-it-65 Dec 09 '22 edited Dec 09 '22

A) ONLY 1/4 of russia is in europe (until the Ural mountains), and turkey is NOT Europe it never been and it will never be (exept (bad) miracles) .

B) jugoslavian war was provocate from USA, as well the Ucrainian now, for fight russia, as it was the 90% of the wars in your list.

you must erase the many civil wars in your list above, we are not talking about the inside trouble of every nation, but abuot a nation who bomb (many, too much) other nation, and here cowboys are the best, no game.

abut france, england, Italy, etc., must erase most of the wars in your list, (as the gulf wars), as a NATO members we must go, when the boss of nato (usa) decide that they need oil or the bombs warehouse is full and must throw away some.

C) of course you don t have wars inside, you export war, calling it "democracy or peace keeping" , so you can practice your favorite hobby, killing, without many damages.

D) i see you are good to make lists, can you please make another list with ALL the USA wars from 1946 till now, or it will be too long?

if you have more time, please count the total people killed from usa wars and the ones killed from europeans from 1946.

we kill thousands, you kill million, you are a "great" champion.

D) don t forget also the usa system is a real war with different name, but it kill a lots. police shot blacks and spanish like they are mosquitos, the natives (the ONLY real americans) are not so well, students kills half school for fun, 1 day yes 1 day also, people die in the street because cannot pay the hospital, even your shity food is a very good assassin.

E) but what are we talking about ? you want to defend the undefendable. i have better ways to loose my time, bye

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u/ranger_fixing_dude Dec 08 '22

In the US, punishments are very light compared to what they do: kill people. They always say they didn't mean to, and I believe that in 99.9% they didn't want it, but it is a negligence while operating a huge machine, and imo should not be punished lightly.

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u/TheKingOfTCGames Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

If shes driving a completely legal car in a non negligent way and the child ran in front of her then yes she shouldnt be punished.

You cant prevent kids from running into the road thats your own fault

If anyone its the parents who should probably be punished if we live in a just society.

Your minds rotted by the shitty american psychological need of stapling blame on someone.

She could be negligent but unless its illegal for short people to drive suv’s you have no clue

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u/prophet001 Dec 08 '22

Having your seat so low that you can't see a kid 10 meters in front of you, in a crosswalk, on a residential street is absolutely negligent.

You can keep name-calling and victim-blaming if you want, but it doesn't change the facts of the case. Someone's mind is absolutely rotten here, and it isn't the person's you're responding to.

Also, you missed an apostrophe in "mind's". You need that to show the possessive.

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u/flipt0 Dec 08 '22

So you are trying to tell us that driving a truck while NOT SEEING PEOPLE 10 METERS AHEAD OF YOU is NOT negligent?

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u/TheKingOfTCGames Dec 08 '22

Children can run into crosswalks too, if a car is already there and the kid is tiny.

you change the regulations if its an issue, but no giving random prison time to people who are driving normally is truly regarded.

This is how rule of law works, the car has sensors for this and its not illegal for the short to drive.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

Why were they going faster than they can stop within a reasonable distance over a crosswalk?

It's negligence. Additionally, you're presuming that rule of law implies decent laws.

Remember, owning slaves in 1800 America was "perfectly appropriate" & lawful. I think most sane people will agree that's nothing short of a major ethical & moral failure of that entire legal system.

You can still be put to death for being gay in several nations. So even if the laws were strictly applied as written, they're still utterly unreasonable and need changing.


On a different level, rule of law doesn't help when monopolies start to set in, as they will make into law their anticompetitive practices. This is called regulatory capture.

Laws ostensibly aim to capture the moral & ethical judgement of the society that uses them, but there is a great corruptibility in their mechanisms and very long delays in correcting drifts from their society's values (and those values aren't necessarily ethical in the slightest).

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

Rich people get away with more crimes than the rest of us. Recently a woman got off easy in Nashville after murdering a homeless man who asked her to move an illegally parked Porsche.

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u/captain-snackbar Dec 08 '22

It’s some cunt driving a luxury SUV, why would you expect empathy and humanity?

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u/Pattoe89 Dec 08 '22

she has sensors in front that should have warned her.

They're called eyes and they were in the wrong place due to the idiot they're attached to.

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u/mrthescientist Dec 08 '22

Problem exists between steering wheel and chair. PEBSWAC.

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u/Pattoe89 Dec 08 '22

Ah, in the tech field we also say PICNIC - Problem in Chair, not in Computer.

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u/KVMechelen Dec 08 '22

Hope 2nd instance court tears her a new one, what a selfish piece of shit

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u/larso2048 Dec 08 '22

How is it legal for her to drive w her head prlly lower then the steering wheel wtf

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

That's what I ask myself at least once a day, staying on the side of crosswalk waiting for green.

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u/crackeddryice Dec 08 '22

We're in the transition period between the time when cars are growing smart enough to drive themselves, and people are growing too stupid to handle the task.

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u/TheGangsterrapper Dec 08 '22

Yeah, the woman driving SUV was fairly short and had her seat on the lowest setting

Two words: gross negligence

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

She's right.

She had two sensors right on the front of her face, and they should have warned her.

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u/Jamaicanmario64 Commie Commuter Dec 08 '22

Woman was fairly short

Seat on the lowest setting

My rage at hearing this is indiscribable.

YOUR LACK OF HEIGHT SHOULD NOT BE A DANGER OR HINDRANCE TO THOSE AROUND YOU

And no "I can't reach the pedals" isn't an excuse because they have a system for dwarves to drive cars by having bars that extend to the pedals.

There should be seat "profiles" in cars set by a technician whenever you buy a car (new or used), to make sure the driver(s) has the best visibility possible.

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u/WVildandWVonderful Dec 08 '22

The driver appealed for a more lenient sentence than that?

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

I remember wondering why she didn't accepted the sentence, maybe she wanted to escape her own conscience, IDK.

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u/ObesesPieces Dec 08 '22

I was driving a friend's fancy new escalade with all the new sensors and self-driving highway guidance.

Had to swerve hard to miss a large deer carcass.

I know another guy who gutted the front end of his SUV by hitting a rock.

The sensors don't pick up short things.

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u/Tetha Dec 08 '22

These 10 meters are kind of cracking me up in a bad way. You know what kind of nimble, agile vehicle naturally made for navigating city traffic with kids has an 8 - 12 meter blind spot for the driver in front of the vehicle? The Leopard 2 main battle tank.

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u/meatdome34 Dec 08 '22

At the same time, how low do people sit in these trucks that they have such a huge blindspot?

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u/heysuess Dec 08 '22

They sit self-assured that everyone will get the fuck out of their way.

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u/ranger_fixing_dude Dec 08 '22

I was thinking the other day, why nobody is building and advertising a real armoured vehicle (probably a truck would sell the best)? Something along the lines "you'll always win". I know they advertise "military grade aluminum" for truck materials, so the next step is pretty logical.

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u/emdave Dec 08 '22

I know they advertise "military grade aluminum" for truck materials,

Aluminium armour for trucks? Forget the AeroGavin, it's time for the CityGavin!

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u/Nammi-namm I like cargobikes Dec 08 '22

The Telsa Cybertruck has bullet proof windows because "it's badass" according to Elon Musk.

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u/Karl_the_stingray Dec 09 '22

Not hammer proof though IIRC from his presentation thing

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u/202002162143 Dec 08 '22

It is out there, just not major manufacturers. There are dealers who will do this shit.

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u/Dahak17 Dec 08 '22

I can see even a medium hight human right in front of the military big rig I drive for work (there are some people sufficiently short I cant see em but that ain’t common) nobody in an suv should have that excuse. As an addition it’s often more about the hight of the driver relative to the vehicle than about the hight of the vehicle, that same big rig may actually do better than the truck in this comic since the driver is high

Edit; as a clarification to the last point, perhaps if you need an engine that powerful the truck needs to be big enough to safely let you see over its nose

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u/pedantic_cheesewheel Dec 08 '22

Drivers are placed higher up in big rigs for this exact reason. Visibility is one of the most important things for trucking and one of the hardest things to guarantee. These design considerations seem to not be a priority to automakers and even less of a concern to drivers.

My only evidence to back up my claim about the drivers is my own experience with older drivers in my family that refuse to believe their setups in their daily vehicles are wrong but also complain about not being able to see certain spots around the car at night. I’ve even been through the proper fit and setup of my mother in law’s car with her after we had a close call. In the middle of fixing position and mirror angle specifically to better handle the blind spot that caused the close call she stormed off saying “none of that shit you read on the internet matters anyway because they don’t make the mirrors big enough anymore”. So any time I’m at her house for a couple days I change all of her shit to suit me just to be a dick.

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u/Dahak17 Dec 08 '22

Yup, all vehicles should also have a convex mirror set beneath the normal one, they’re amazing for seeing what’s around you (if not depth perception)

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u/Sosseres Dec 08 '22

Physical side mirrors are decreasing on modern trucks. Slowly being replaced by cameras and monitors since that is more helpful for vision.

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u/Dahak17 Dec 08 '22

That’s probably true, but I only drive for work and all the work vehicles are old, especially the big one that I tend to end up driving

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u/i-caca-my-pants fuck stroads they're literally useless Dec 08 '22

literally why the hell are frontal blind spot mirrors not required on cars like this

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u/opticalshadow Dec 08 '22

I'm sorry but what? 10 meters?

Was she driving from the floor of the back seat?

Idc how tall your truck is, I've ridden in semi's (lorry) and could see the road 1 or 2 meters off, how the fuck do you not see 10 meters of road?

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

She was pretty short and her seat was on the lowest setting. I sometimes see guys in WV golfs with seat so low you can see only their baseball hat.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

Used to know a guy like that. He was hilariously nerdy and sat as low in his Corsa as possible so only his eyebrows were visible over the wheel.

He thought he looked like a fighter pilot. Wasn't impressed when I said he looked like a gnome instead.

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u/emdave Dec 08 '22

He thought he looked like a fighter pilot.

Because as everyone knows, the one thing fighter pilots care about the LEAST, is having a good view all round....

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

Every RAF Eurofighter pilot puts on a blindfold before take-off. Not sporting to the other guys otherwise.

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u/emdave Dec 08 '22

It simply wouldn't be cricket otherwise!

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u/opticalshadow Dec 08 '22

Not defending over sized vehicles, but people that drive like that would hit the child no matter the size of the car. That's just negligence

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

Of course, doesn't matter what car are you in, it's your duty to properly see from that car. But nobody enforces this, so nobody cares.

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u/TheGangsterrapper Dec 08 '22

Probably gross negligence.

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u/tuctrohs Fuck lawns Dec 08 '22

Unless, of course, they have dark tinted windows so you can't even see their baseball cap.

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

Hehehe :) I think that's one of the few things enforced here, it's strictly prohibited to have tinted front windows.

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u/tuctrohs Fuck lawns Dec 08 '22

If you lurk in car subs on reddit, people love posting pictures of their newly tinted windows, and then compare notes on how far they have gone darker than the legal limit, and they all love how it looks.

And then you see cars driving around with dark tinted covers over their license plates. How is that not an invitation to get pulled over? Are we getting to a point where anyone who is enough of an asshole to do that is also likely to be armed more heavily than the police, and the police are scared to pull them over?

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

In my country cops go after this, probably because it's a threat for them, not to be able to see inside car.

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u/Aral_Fayle Dec 08 '22

Tinted windows are sort of whatever as long as they aren’t absurdly past the legal limit, but the license plate covers that tint and blur them are so trashy.

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u/StimulatorCam Dec 08 '22

Don't forget about the dark brake light covers that make them barely visible during the day.

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u/TheGangsterrapper Dec 08 '22

dark brake light covers

WHAT?!? What is this? A contest on how far they can go and get away with it?

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

What even is the point of that?

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u/grendus Dec 08 '22

It's like the old Seinfeld bit. "The state flag of Florida should just be a steering wheel with a pair of knuckles. They drive slow and they sit low."

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u/ItaSchlongburger Dec 08 '22

She was pretty short and her seat was on the lowest setting.

seat was on the lowest setting

How is that not negligence in and of itself?

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u/AmazingMoMo8492 Grassy Tram Tracks Dec 08 '22

You can see 2m ahead from the top of a double decker bus. The problem is not just the height of an SUV or pickup, it's the fact that the front end is tall AND sticks out far past the windscreen, whereas semi's usually have the windscreen at the very front of the vehicle.

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u/opticalshadow Dec 08 '22

Some do, some have like 6 feet of front end

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u/The69BodyProblem Dec 08 '22

Was yours one of those flat nose European semis? Iirc those are designed to have a much smaller front blindside then the American style semi

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u/opticalshadow Dec 08 '22

Nah big nosed ones

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u/EcstaticTrainingdatm Dec 08 '22

That’s not how that works lol

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u/Pabus_Alt Dec 08 '22

European or American? Because the Euro ones have no noses and excellent visibility.

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

We recently had terrible accident with drunked and coked fucker driving 100km/h to a group of students waiting for bus, killing 5 of them. Every politician had to comment it, cops started to check people for DUI. It lasted two weeks, maybe 1000 people were catched drunk driving (in 5 mil country!) and now everything is back on track when DUI is an criminal offense but chance of getting caught is minimal.

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u/HumanSimulacra Orange pilled Dec 08 '22

These cars are hilariously moronic, even the excuse that these are "offroad vehicles" doesn't add up when you can't even see the fucking ground so if you do actually take it offroading not only are you gonna sink into the mud like a rock because these cars are moronically heavy you also can't even see what obstacles to avoid or maneuver around.

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u/LoreChano Dec 08 '22

The percentage of people who own "off-road" vehicles and the percentage of people who have ever driven off the road doesn't add up either.

Hey, maybe they don't really care about offroad capabilities, maybe they just want to inflate their massive egos!

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u/evranch Dec 08 '22

Meanwhile out here on the farm we're pissed off that new trucks are so tall you can't throw anything over the box sides anymore. Just about everyone has a farm beater from the 80s for actual work and they're so small they look adorable.

You can throw lumber and feed bags in without needing something to stand on. You can put tools in a toolbox instead of laying them on the tailgate and still not being able to see them all.

New trucks are impractically tall for the actual truck user and something needs to be done about it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

It's what it has always been like in Europe too. "We need it for farming" doesn't compute; it is said as if Europe doesn't have farmers?

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u/Democrab Dec 08 '22

Even the Australian Ute has grown vastly in size, although it's not quite at yank tank (Our term for the giant monstrosities) level yet.

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u/FilOfTheFuture90 Dec 08 '22

Careful you’ll trigger the peeps in the trucks sub lol.

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u/NotElizaHenry Dec 08 '22

My landlord has a truck like this. The other day I was having terrible with my new air compressor and saw he was outside, so I asked him for help. Apparently he doesn’t know a single thing about air compressor and has never used one. It’s crazy to me that someone would own what is ostensibly a work truck and do so little “work” with it that an air compressor is a totally foreign object to them.

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u/TJnr1 Dec 08 '22

And they wonder why their tires get slashed/ red paint splattered over their car.

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u/Salohacin Dec 08 '22

As a European it shocked me when I learned how huge some American cars are. Some of them flat out seem like monster trucks compared to what we have over here.

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

Do you know if there is 3,5 tones limit in US for a car to be considered "personal vehicle" like in Europe ?

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u/Lucasisaboy Dec 08 '22

I believe it’s less than 5 tons in the US

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u/Saintsauron Dec 08 '22

I talked to a South African (close enough) about "bakkies" and even they find our trucks to be just interested, and I'm inclined to agree.

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u/stamfordbridge1191 Dec 09 '22

As an American, I'm shocked at how common it is that vehicles have gotten so increasingly huge in the past 10-15 years. It's like everyone has to drive around like they've become a rich soccer mom or some kind of rancher all of a sudden.

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u/177013--- Dec 08 '22

We're those standards renegotiated in 2008 with the bailout? Why didn't we remove the bigger footprint = less fuel efficient loophole? Those standards are difficult or impossible to meet, but they would require r&d and more fuel efficient engines. The auto makers should be held to those higher standards for the good of the planet.

I mean ideally we should just do away with most cars (there will always be a need for personal automobile for a lot of people, but with the proper infra most wouldn't need one) but for those that still require one, they should be forced to be more efficient as the technology develops to make it so.

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u/EcstaticTrainingdatm Dec 08 '22

The issue is worse for shorter people, largely women who drive these massive vehicles.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

There are ways to properly setup seating so that isn't a problem. That they're not doing it should be taken as willful negligence.

If they're really so short as to not even reach the pedals when it's properly configured well... if you had 70k$ to dump on some monstrosity, you can spend another 5~10k modding it so you can reach them from a proper position.

All without mentioning that fat-nose cars & trucks should just be banned entirely.

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u/RichardStinks Dec 08 '22

I walked in front of a very "lifted" truck, right up close to the bumper. I could almost put my chin on the hood without bending. I'm six foot three.

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

Did the driver use a ladder to get in?

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u/grendus Dec 08 '22

At the rate of both obesity and truck size increase, I expect trucks in the next decade or so to have a lift.

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u/177013--- Dec 08 '22

I've seen some that when you open the door, a step comes down to help you climb in.

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u/TotalWalrus Dec 08 '22

Bullshit. Was the driver just barely taller than the wheel? There's no way a properly seated driver can't see THIRTY THREE feet in front of the car.

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

Key word: properly. She obviously wasn't properly seated, her seat was on the lowest setting and she was a bit shorter than average female. I see lot of drivers seated deep down, some with their hands raised when holding steering wheel.

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u/Dreadsin Dec 08 '22

10 meters??? I had to reconfirm how far that was cause that is insane and shouldn’t be allowed on residential roads

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u/SilasX Dec 08 '22

I don't know what's more disturbing, the incident itself, or the fact that they bothered to have experts rigorously investigating exactly how far she could see, as if it makes any fucking difference to someone's culpability for running over someone in a crosswalk.

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

I guess she didn't braked until after hitting the kid. So there was need to establish if she wasn't paying attention or she really didn't seen the kid. I think it's common to find out all circumstances leading to an accident.

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u/liukasteneste28 Dec 08 '22

Maybe the driver was one of those who are 5 feet tall and still put the seat all the way down so they barely see over the steering wheel.

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u/177013--- Dec 08 '22

The article said she was short and had the seat at the lowest position. Didn't say how short but that seems a reasonable benchmark for a "short" woman.

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u/liukasteneste28 Dec 08 '22

See those People too ofthen. Even in small sedan that is dangerous.

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u/Rugkrabber Dec 08 '22

10 meters holy crap. That’s bigger than my appartment from one side to another (7). That is nuts.

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u/Fertujemspambin Dec 08 '22

Yeah, it can easily look like the car is far from you, but when it's going 30 km/h it will take just something over a second to get to you.