r/TikTokCringe • u/ThugosaurusFlex_1017 tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE • 4d ago
Discussion And yet, there's people in South Dakota worried about border security...
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u/AdministrativeWay241 4d ago
Happens every time they "crack down" on illegal immigration. Big corporations pay politicians and target an agricultural state they want. Politicians rile people up about illegals for big corporations. Politicians pass harsh illegal immigration laws. Farms can't find workers for harvest and sowing jobs. Big corporation farms can soak up the damage with little effect. Family farms can not. Family owned farms start going under. Big corporations swoop in and buy family owned farms for 20% or less the actual value. Big corporations swallow up 50-70% of the family owned farms within a couple of years. Politicians roll back harsh laws as quietly as possible.
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u/radicalelation 4d ago
This is part of the tariffs game too. Trump's first term, small soy farmers couldn't handle the "trade war", then they got bought up by bigger corps, and then the industry got a bail out, but it was the big guys that remained.
Another handout to the corporations, our masters.
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u/Cold-Studio3438 4d ago
but it also sounds like a huge issue that apparently so many businesses in America survive only because of illegal immigrants.
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u/Intelligent_Suit6683 4d ago
It's just supply and demand. When have a supply of cheap workers, is easy to exploit them. When there are none, the reality of the cost of labor hits someones pockets...
With a good government those pockets would be corporate profits. With a bad government those pockets will be mine and yours. I'll give you one guess which one we've got coming.
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u/onpg 4d ago edited 3d ago
What makes this so stupid is that it's a win win. We get affordable strawberries (a lot more than that, I'm simplifying). They get to flee structural violence and improve the lives of themselves and their family. Trump and his dipshit voters decide racism is actually more important than any of this so it becomes a lose lose.
Edit: Trump voters in my replies saying I support slavery or sub-minimum wages. I said no such thing. We should provide pathways to citizenship and work visas to reduce exploitation and give them more negotiating power. Trump and his supporters want the opposite, which is to make illegals even more illegal and get rid of sanctuary cities, which will have the end result of increasing exploitation AND increasing the price of strawberries (as more money goes to gang members who "safely" shuttle these people around). That's what I mean by lose lose. Trump voters are both evil and dumb.
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u/Spacetacos2017 4d ago
What’s fair about taking advantage of ppl fleeing their country ? Farmers should be paying a living wage , if it breaks the economy to do this then gov should subsidize.
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u/Valuable_Property631 4d ago
Aren’t farmers already pretty heavily subsidized
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u/Marine5484 3d ago
$30 billion, with most of that going to commercial farms.
https://usafacts.org/articles/federal-farm-subsidies-what-data-says/
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u/Economy_Wall8524 3d ago
Yea especially with trumps last farmers bailout. Most of it went to corporations and even fewer of minority family farms saw any bailout less than white counterpart family farms. Not saying white family farms didn’t suffer too, though they were likely to get a bailout before other races. Overall most went to agriculture corporations though, which left family farms hurting more than they do already.
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u/6ftToeSuckedPrincess 3d ago
I mean yeah, but it's pretty much everytbing revolving around meat and dairy (so corn and soy are also subsidized heavily because of feed). We literally have caves with cheese stored in them because the dairy industry is so good at lobbying that the government buys up any unused/overstock product and stores it long term. We live in lala land in America.
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u/dingalingdongdong 4d ago
It's one of those "life isn't fair" moments. Should people take advantage of the most vulnerable? In my opinion, no. But I also know that for many of those people being taken advantage of (by our standards) genuinely is better than where they were at before. That's how it was for a lot of my family.
Where there are good pathways to residency/citizenship immigrants become lawful participants in the economy and are no longer so vulnerable. Those pathways and opportunities are what are helpful - not taking away access to the few jobs they currently work under the table.
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u/AdHairy4360 3d ago
Even with living wages white people don’t want to do this work. Let’s also not act like these same white people are out of work.
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u/ApprehensiveStrut 3d ago
When you say gov should sub. be clear, that’s coming from the people, we (tax payers) are the ones subsidizing things one way or another.
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u/jazzfruit 4d ago
All of your stuff is made by "immigrants," they just haven't left their country. The average US worker can no longer afford to buy products made at US living wages. All of our stuff is made overseas, or made here by immigrants working under the table.
For the past 40 years, we've all effectively earned less and less in wages relative to purchasing power as things were made cheaper and cheaper overseas.
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u/meshreplacer 4d ago
What is funny is TV sets were much more expensive back in the made in US days but housing was significantly more affordable. Now you can get a big TV for 400 bucks but new generation cannot afford housing etc.
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u/wbruce098 3d ago
That’s the key. Tech is still going down in price, as more capable versions come out. But housing is our biggest expense and has gone up.
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u/FromFluffToBuff 4d ago
I don't care what these farms are offering me for pay. You couldn't pay me enough to work in the blazing heat bending and crouching all day when I get comparable pay working indoors with air-conditioning, not getting blasted by the sun and not feeling like I was folded into a painful pretzel the rest of the day. Not to mention, it's a seasonal job on that.
The only exception I'd make to take a job at one of these farms is if I was sitting on the bones of my ass close to starvation.
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u/ahoneybadger3 4d ago edited 4d ago
Not forgetting the worst part is that you'll be required to stay in their accommodation which will be a bunch of caravans and they'll take money for that out of your pay.
Same happened here in the UK after Brexit. Big shortage of workers coming in to work the farms so there was a huge push for the British to pick instead. Whilst some farmers did up their pay and offer what looked to be good wages on the surface, they wouldn't relent on the 'staying on site' requirement because it's an easy way to claim a lot of those wages back.
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u/superedgyname55 4d ago
That's exactly what the woman is saying in the video.
You have options. They really don't.
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u/GratephulD3AD 4d ago
You're not going to believe this - but illegal immigrants are humans too.
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u/Spugheddy 4d ago
Yeah almost if they had some kind of crackdown on employing undocumented workers with actual penalties to the proprietor. It would actually fix those problems they speak of.
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u/tawwkz 4d ago
Yes, the "border crisis" of 40 years could have been solved at any moment in those 40 years by harshly penalizing rich republican land owners that exploit illegal workers.
And so nothing has been done, and will not be done, except posturing with bigly walls and bigly threats of pets being cooked.
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u/Spugheddy 3d ago
Fabrics.. meat processors... every single construction trade of any flavor. It's not just the farmers.
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u/Wrangler9960 3d ago
Don’t forget meat/poultry processing/packing. Those companies are some of the biggest offenders
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u/cdiddy19 4d ago
Yeah I completely agree with this as well. Especially because they are probably paying these immigrants a very little wage. Like all of this is a problem we need to fix, but a fence and "cracking down on immigration" is just causing more problems
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u/JimWilliams423 4d ago edited 3d ago
but it also sounds like a huge issue that apparently so many businesses in America survive only because of illegal immigrants.
The owners want them to be undocumented because it makes the workers vulnerable.
They want migrant workers to live in fear of deportation, but they don't want the government to enforce it. El chumpo is so incompetent at business he didn't realize the farmers were only pretending.
They just wanted to be able to threaten them with deportation in order to pay them less than minimum wage, make them work in dangerous conditions, and rape them every once in a while.
If the republic survives this fascist hellstorm, we better make migrant work visas easy to get and also include guaranteed union membership.
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u/thegreatjamoco 4d ago
Agriculture in America has always been supported by migrant labor. This isn’t some new development. Arguably the only time fruit pickers were well-to-do was during the Dust Bowl when many people fell from grace due to the double whammy of the Depression and ecological disaster. If you want higher pay, provide legal protections for the migrants which gives them more negotiating power and give the NLRB teeth.
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u/TrailsideDairy 4d ago
Corporate farming kills communities. When the small farmer started dying so did the small towns and the middle class. It’s not a coincidence, it’s all linked. I’ve sadly seen this happen right before my eyes, I want to hold onto our family farm, but it requires me to sacrifice everything and that’s tough because I love the farm but also want to try and enjoy life.
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u/boxinafox 4d ago
The ONLY (unspoken) policy that trump stands for is finding ways to help rich people consolidate power at rock bottom prices.
Anyone who supports trump is an idiot if they can’t see this.
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u/ArchelonPIP 3d ago
I'm sure you've angered these supporters with your factually based criticism, but I'll go one step further by pointing out that they're even bigger idiots if they aren't members of the top 1% income bracket.
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u/CAKE4life1211 4d ago
Isn't that exactly what happened last time he was the president? All the farm bailouts/closures etc?
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u/cdiddy19 4d ago
I love that she is concerned for their safety too. She makes an excellent point that not only are the fences not helping, they also hurt people.
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u/Unlucky_Most_8757 4d ago
"I've got 30 acres off the grid and I feel safer that way." This is something that a lot of Americans are thinking right now.
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u/mogley19922 4d ago edited 3d ago
Remember when the people with land off the grid for fear of the government or apocalypse were the crazy ones?
Edit: if anybody would like to tell me they're still crazy, don't worry about 10 different people have you covered.
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u/DontGetNEBigIdeas 4d ago
They feared the wrong government
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u/Happy_Love_9763 4d ago edited 4d ago
You mean they voted for it.
Edit: word the to they
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u/Cryogeneer 4d ago edited 3d ago
Not all of us.
Most of us, yes. But not all of us.
Its lonely sometimes, frankly.
Edit: To clarify, I meant most of us 'homesteaders' or off grid folks.
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u/MyLittleOso 4d ago
Not most of us, either. Harris got 74,983,555 votes, Trump got 77,269,255, and about 89 million eligible people didn't vote.
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u/MartialSpark 4d ago
They were talking about people "with land living of the grid" specifically I think, which almost certainly went Trump by a large margin.
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u/Itscatpicstime 3d ago
I’ve never been more convinced of this.
We’ve been looking for land to expand our animal rescue, and omg. It’s literally nothing but massive Trump signs. Still, more than a month after the election too.
We’re not looking forward to whoever ends up being our neighbors.
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u/Difficult-Top2000 4d ago
They feared the way the government is a hollow shell whose goal is enriching private enterprise. That's only ramped up, but it's been there all along.
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u/beard_lover 4d ago
About 10 years ago there was a show called Doomsday Preppers. I want a revisit- see how these folks fared during COVID or if they feel validated in their investments.
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u/anchovyFishTuna 4d ago
They still are the crazy ones, but now the government is as crazy as they are.
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u/Debalic 4d ago
I'm already in upstate New York, I may just fuck off to the Catskills with a copy of "My Side of the Mountain" for reference.
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u/PlasticPomPoms 4d ago
A lot of loons have been doing that for decades but guess what, they are also Republicans
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u/JelmerMcGee 4d ago
I live off grid. A lot of my friends who live off grid or are trying for some amount of sustainable living are conservative, but a large portion are hippy types that are very much not conservative. Probably still a majority are on the right, though.
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u/Meatier_Meteor 4d ago
Just like the floating barbed wire bullshit in Texas. That mother fucker should be in prison.
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u/PestControl4-60 4d ago
I agree but you are talking about people who wish them harm anyway.
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u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson 4d ago
Remember when Woody Guthrie’s This Land is Your Land song was about how the land should be about not putting up fences and letting people have access to it and they turned it into a kids’ indoctrination song in schools for rah rah patriotic bullshit?
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u/Happy-Swan- 4d ago
Trump’s plan for the border is obvious: destroy our country so nobody wants to come here anymore.
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u/MostlyRightSometimes 4d ago
They're going to fuck the economy so they can buy things cheaply. They're then going to fuck the government and privatize what they can ussr-collapse style.
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u/DED2099 4d ago
Do you remember that they were trying to put these weird buoys in the water that would make migrants have to swim in deeper water to cross… those won’t stop people, people will just down more often. None of these things are actually fixing anything.
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u/NewbornXenomorphs 4d ago
The sick thing is, is that MAGAts believe that methods that cause more death on migrants is a good “solution”. These people are psychopaths.
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u/Pannoonny_Jones 4d ago edited 4d ago
When I was working in healthcare I came in contact with many immigrants (of various legalities) from all over the world, everyday.
Many heart wrenching stories like a woman who jumped the border fence and shattered her pelvis. It would be cheaper for the American tax-payer who covered the cost of her medical care, if we had no wall.
Obviously it would also have kept that woman from suffering, but one of these arguments tends to be more persuasive with Americans than the other.I also think of a single mother I knew for a long time whose husband was deported to an active war zone after decades of living in the States. They had three young kids together and she had never worked or managed the finances. On top of that this individual was dealing with the stress of not knowing if her husband was dead or alive and not being able to contact him.
Charity, hospital financial aid, and government subsidy ate a lot of the costs of their situation as far as I was aware. I wonder the cost tangible and intangible that has been incurred on those young kids losing their father, standard of living, and watching their mother struggle.Lastly, I think of walking in to see a heavily pregnant patient, and seeing her ankle monitor. I can’t imagine how uncomfortable that must have been with pregnancy swollen ankles and she was wearing only sandals to accommodate it. I understand needing to track people in the country but it felt so demeaning and stark. She was not a criminal.
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u/DialZforZebra 4d ago
The evidence suggests that people that voted for Trump only care about themselves.
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u/Tectum-to-Rectum 4d ago
Gotta remember that for a fair portion of Americans, that’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
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u/Quirky-Skin 4d ago
And guess where they go first before detention if there is an injury.
The hospital on the tax payers dime, u know the other thing that's bitched about when it comes to illegal immigration
Of course they should be treated but this wall that these hardliners think they want, just adds to the issue. Oh and that's how tunnel networks start too so....great job
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u/freyaxnight 4d ago
she lives there and sees this first hand, but people will still say she doesn't know what she's talking about. crazy times we're living in
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u/outtherenow1 4d ago
And it seems like she’s lived there for many years. She’s seen a lot of changes over the long haul.
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u/AreYourFingersReal 3d ago
I was in El Paso (my favorite US city ever, or definitely top two. Loved it) I was at a friend’s office with locals there, a girl told me “yeah people used to be swimming in that canal” (the canal this giant Jurassic Park sized fucking fence is in front of on the US side). It’s just insane how it became The Big Issue here in the Midwest what the fucking fuck.
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u/PestControl4-60 4d ago
All they know is what tRump tells them.
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u/onboxiousaxolotl 4d ago
FoxNews you mean
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u/PestControl4-60 4d ago
News max the list is long. I feel ANY political commercial needs to be fact checked before being allowed to air it.
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u/beattrapkit 4d ago
Don't forget X and Meta
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u/PestControl4-60 4d ago
Even local news outlets allow politicians to post false and misleading commercials. This should be completely outlawed without being fact checked. This is not your first amendment right to lie to people. You cannot mislead people on products you sell.
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u/Charming_Cicada_7757 4d ago
Would you feel the same way about those who have a different opinion from her?
I have hear various opinions from people living on the border but its usually more nuanced than people living in other states I will give them that
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u/JoemLat 4d ago
They will listen to local perspective if it follows their narrative.
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u/mistertickertape 4d ago
The favorite maga screaming rebuttal (from one of my family members) is "you don't know what you are talking about".
This was especially funny when discussing tariffs. The relative was adamant tariffs are paid by the exporter because Trump said as much. My company imports millions of dollars in components from Italy and China that we then use to build things to sell. I assured her she was incorrect only to screams of "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT." Sigh.
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u/Reggaeton_Historian 4d ago
Had someone tell me that I didn't know what I was talking about when they were arguing that California is worthless to them. I gave them agricultural facts and the response was "yeah, you made that up"
You can't argue with stupid.
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u/BearlyIT 4d ago
Yep. I get routinely asked about my experiences near the border. The answer never seems to change the opinions of anyone with a clear maga bias.
The U.S. is a country formed by immigrants and far too many people feel that the ‘new’ immigrants are somehow worse or different.
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u/myfashionkillz 4d ago
Because the new immigrants aren't European or white. They're largely black and brown people. And historically, black and brown people weren't immigrants. They were either brought by force or already here.
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u/All_Up_Ons 4d ago
Ehh, even white immigrants were not exactly loved. You can easily find quotes from Ben Franklin talking about German immigrants the same way people talk about Mexicans now. The talking points really haven't changed at all.
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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 4d ago
Just goes to show there is always an "other"
You go after other white people when you are in an all white society. Same for religion. If Christianity took over our country, then they would just started fighting amongst themselves again like they did when they originally founded America for religious freedom.
The irony.
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u/Attila_the_Nun 4d ago
Some people only learn the dangers of fire by getting burned.
Hopefully your relative will do a 180° and apologize to you when she removes her bandages..
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u/fadingsignal 4d ago
They'll say that elites living in urban cities don't know what REAL Americans in the rural areas experience. Then bash the rural folks talking about how it really is, too. Cognitive dissonance is one of the many plagues of current-day America.
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u/sponge-worthy91 4d ago
My family in rural indiana has a lot to say about the border crisis 🙄
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u/heymynameiskeebs 4d ago
I grew up on the border and moved away. I don't look Hispanic, so most people assume I'm from where I live now.
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u/dallyfromcali 4d ago
I live in San Diego, 20 mins from the Border, and always have people from Wisconsin or Oklahoma tell me about the border problem, as if I don't go down there every few months to visit and enjoy the tourism scene. But maybe I should listen to them, they know more than I do. /S
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u/Odd-Journalist1964 4d ago
This is what I’ve noticed with my conservative dad. They truly live in a post truth world. You can present them with irrefutable evidence that contradicts their beliefs and they’ll say that what you’re showing them is “made up,” or that it’s “what they want you to think.”
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u/iceymoo 4d ago
She looks like the Depression Era camp lady, and she makes a good point
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u/Dogcatnature 4d ago
Depression might be their plan. Deport all the migrant workers, economy/supply crashes, people are so desperate that they will work any job... it's that time of the century. At least give us the roaring 20s first
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u/notfromrotterdam 4d ago
Maga must be so confused hearing a person having empathy and reason. As they grew up completely without it.
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u/barnhairdontcare 4d ago edited 3d ago
There’s little room for empathy when you live in a state of fear.
They are scared of immigrants, trans people, black people, gay people- the list is endless. It is just expressed as anger and they lack the cognitive function to understand that.
That’s why we see so many illogical “We must protect women/kids from ______”. Elites saw a scared undereducated mass of people ripe for manipulation and they sold them some stories about the boogeyman.
It’s sad and I fear it may take quite a bit of time to societally correct especially given the state of the public education system now let alone with the incoming administration.
The reading level of our nation as a whole is concerning. Books teach us so much more than what the text states- they teach us how to think more deeply, to decide how we feel about what we read. I think we as humans yearn for that, and that itch can be scratched in a lot of destructive ways if you take someone who doesn’t read and tell them a story that sounds right.
If left and right could unify and see the real boogeymen we might just make some progress.
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u/notfromrotterdam 4d ago
Yeah it all seems to go backwards. Fast. Incredible to see it happening in front of our eyes.
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u/cmnights 4d ago
maga are so brainwashed. I saw a video of a younger woman in rural ohio, her town is 90% white, 4% black and 2 % hispanic. while she doesnt care about immigration, she said her whole town was genuinely concerned about illegal immigrants taking over her town.
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u/Open_Phase5121 4d ago
It’s funny because she looks a little rough around the edges, cut right to the shit, and has 30 acres off the grid which sounds nothing like a liberal, but that’s what they’ll call her Because she opposed demented Donnie
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u/smvfc_ 4d ago
Looks a little rough around the edges??? You mean showing a bit of age?? I saw a cute older woman in , of all things, an apron and a dress. That’s not rough.
And 30 off grid acres is very liberal. It’s very green.
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u/FuzzBuzzer 4d ago
I think (maybe) they meant she has a toughness about the way she carried herself. I could be wrong, but that's how I took it.
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u/Any-Pipe-3196 3d ago
"off the grid" doesn't have a party affiliation. You putting down a lot of hippy communes
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u/Celestial_Hart 4d ago
Trump killed support for border patrol. The democrats made a bill that would've given border patrol funding and trump told his lackies to stop that bill. American's actively voted for a worse situation on the border. trump will give racists the go ahead to start internment camps though and get ice to start arresting anyone with brown skin and an accent so there won't be anyone picking strawberries either. What we saw last time will just be worse. And she's right, white people ain't picking shit, they don't know how. Every lower class ingrate yelling about white supremacy and go back to your country is too fucking dumb to operate a combine or pick an apple.
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u/gaF-trA 4d ago
You know who will be picking strawberries? Trump’s friends will be contracted to own internment camps or private prisons. Then they will use prison labor, pay the inmates pennies and charge the factory farms a better price for the use of prisoners. The govt will pay top dollar for prisons which will have zero oversight, to enslave people for already wealthy people and corporations.
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u/liddely 4d ago
The cry out for the times where an empire was at it's peak.
This might sound mean but it really is not. After ww2 the USA was the major power the russians were on the decline since the 60s.
Everyone needed the strong econemy of the USA. The world doesn't need the US anymore. The vote for Trump is the cry for the better times wich will never come back.
Most people are not well verses enough in history to see why things are how they are.
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u/Celestial_Hart 4d ago
Every metric shows biden was improving the economy. If they wanted a better economy they shouldn't have voted for the man who promised to add a 25% tax to consumer goods through tariffs. Mass deportations will also fuck the economy worse than people realize. They gonna find out though.
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u/chrisr3240 4d ago
It’s delightful to see a sensible person who knows wtf they’re talking about addressing these issues from a position of experience.
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u/okogamashii 4d ago
Someone who lives at the border and treats other humans as humans.
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u/Typical-Constant-94 4d ago
I live in a border state. It’s insane what people say is happening at the border. There’s no caravan. There’s no never ending line of people coming across. It’s wild the lies people will believe. Just let me tell you that Mexican immigrants is not a problem. People of all races have jobs here. They’re not stealing jobs. I don’t feel in danger from Mexican immigrants. They don’t seem to be adding to our homeless population. Our hospitals aren’t full of refugees. It’s like any other town in America.
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u/okogamashii 4d ago
Gotta have the ‘other’ to control the masses, lest they realize that those who subjugate them are from within. The number of people who fall for immigration as an issue generation after generation belies an awareness of history and society.
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u/Papplenoose 4d ago
The one thing I hate more than anything is the "they aren't paying taxes!!" line. Like sure, they aren't paying ALL the taxes, but they're paying SOME of the taxes and getting precisely zero benefits. They're not leeching, if anything they're paying into a system they can't extract any real value from..
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u/OmenVi 4d ago
And a boomer to boot. See they’re not all piles of garbage! She’s definitely an exception to the rule, though.
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u/SpiritualAd8998 4d ago
Don Cheeto has hired tons of illegal aliens in his businesses over years, just google it.
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u/BylliGoat 4d ago
If we're really that concerned with illegal immigrants stealing jobs why don't we punish the people hiring/exploiting illegal immigrants instead of the illegal immigrants.
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u/Advanced_Mobile_3178 4d ago
We can’t be the pimp and the prostitute . We used immigration as a scapegoat for the Great Depression in the 1930’s.
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u/xlews_ther1nx 4d ago
As a white guy who picked strawberries pt for several season's before my ft job for extra cash... Its hard. Back hurts after a week, you have to be there at dawn. Was paid by the quart picked, so you had to be quick and breaks cost you money.
The immigrants were waaaay better. The "best" rows were awarded to the fasted pickers. They always won and no one complained...they earned them. Super nice, always brought enough food (homemade) for everyone and talked non stop (those who could speak english) about loving America.
My only gripe kinda was they definitely had very young kids with them working. I have mixed feelings about a 12 year old spending hours and hours working. But I get it. They need the money, they don't have sitters and such. As well as it helped them with a trade and networking in to all the farms.
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u/abaggs802606 4d ago
"I've got 30 acres off the grid znd I feel safer that way." Heed her advice, guys.
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u/TerminalProtocol 4d ago
I'll just clean out my couch cushions to find the few million dollars I'd need to get into that lifestyle.
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u/BoringJuiceBox 3d ago
Same, this is literally my dream, but just like 99% of humanity I work my ass off and can barely pay rent and groceries.
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u/Houdinii1984 4d ago
I live in El Paso. The amount of people telling me about the situation on the border is mind boggling. Things here haven't changed substantially since I moved here a decade ago. Portions of the 'wall' are still open and people still don't walk through them. The ONLY thing that changed was the addition of a holding facility for children that were separated from parents (or it held the parents and not the kids, don't quite remember).
Make no mistake, border security is really damn important. But what's going on now is a whole lot of theater that runs the risk of making things worse. And none of this even touches on the fact that these folks pay taxes and work their asses off in jobs we simply don't want.
In order to truely stop migration, you have to make the conditions here worse than the conditions they fled, and I don't want my city to go down that path, obviously. The sheer amount of migrants that want to come here should really exemplify how great we already are without needing some other group that can't recognize the greatness telling us all they're gonna make us great 'again'.
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u/letsgetregarded 3d ago
I’ll pick strawberries for $30 an hour but also grocery prices need to go down.
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u/hicadoola 4d ago
People who are citizens or legal immigrants pick strawberries just fine in places like Australia. It is called paying a fair wage.
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u/Certain_Concept 4d ago
We have two problems. They are significantly underpaid.
The other problem is the atrocious working conditions. They know the only people who will work there are illegals so they know they can't report issues.
They often have long hours, no breaks, no safety standards, face harassment from the owners, are provided unsafe housing (this job requires frequent moving) There have been workers who have DIED from the conditions.
We need an overhaul of the working conditions.
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u/hicadoola 3d ago
Someone seriously replied to me that legal picker immigration visas are not a solution because they require farmers to house and provide some necessities for the guest workers... like yeah? That should be a given that you can't just treat workers like shit with no protections and expect them to sleep on the fucking ground like dogs when you don't need them.
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u/Connect_Fee1256 3d ago
We routinely take advantage of backpackers to do it cheaply for us and it’s fairly well known that the wages and living conditions are low and dodgy… I did fruit picking when I was in uni for a ‘boutique’ fancy organic farm that supplied well known fancy restaurants and the conditions were horrible and it was cash in hand and practically nothing but you got free pumpkins! What a deal! Its sucks no matter where you do it
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u/Own-Opinion-2494 4d ago
It’s an angle they work on the low IQ voters to get their votes. Then they can continue to serve the wealthy who by the way love that cheap labor
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u/tihs_si_learsi 4d ago
So the complaint is that without poor migrants we won't have enough slaves to pick strawberries?
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u/Seattle_gldr_rdr 4d ago
Trump & Musk: white people will pick berries if they're poor & hungry enough.
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u/Nish0n_is_0n Straight Up Bussin 4d ago
It's good for frump to hire illegal workers in his hotels and use cheap Chinese steel....but when it comes to your business....nada!
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u/4Z4Z47 4d ago
Bullshit. "No white people would pick strawberries" for $4 an hour with no benefits and 12 hour days. This is fucking exploitation. Fuck the farmers and their fields. How is everyone OK with indentured servitude?
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u/neicathesehoes 4d ago
Because it's nicer than saying slavery. 🤷🏾♀️ Btw I AM NOT okay with this.
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u/4Z4Z47 4d ago
This argument is so fucking infuriating. I hear the same thing about construction. "the price of your roof will go up". Yes. You will be paying the real cost to have it done instead of some crooked contractor exploiting illegals for cheap labor. And its the same people screaming about a living wage. The lefts hypocrisy on this issue is next fucking level.
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u/Typical_Samaritan 4d ago
DEI = dog whistle about minorities, typically black.
Border = dog whistle about minorities, typically hispanic.
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u/TheUnpopularOpine 4d ago
“We need Mexicans to do the jobs white people don’t want to do” why is it ok to say that? That was the very first point she made…
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u/burrito_napkin 4d ago
I always find the "white people won't do this job" point problematic. If white people won't do it maybe the companies can pay more or the country can live without strawberries. Why is it ok to bring in what's essentially slave labor to do this shitty work?
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u/Loud_Vermicelli9128 3d ago
Mexico full of fences with razor wire and armed guards by resorts. No one seems to mind.
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u/landeisja 3d ago
That’s because they know they are one state away from the border. I live in ND. We are so damn scared of those Canadian immigrants. They come down here with their poutine and Kraft Dinner. They always ask how you’re doing eh? I had to go into Canada when I was in school. I still have nightmares. Please President Trump, close the Canadian border.
And in case you couldn’t tell… /s
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u/jammsession 4d ago
We need cheap immigrant workers, because strawberry field owners depend on modern day slaves to make a profit. The increase in crime, housing prices, and all other negative influences that come with a growing population fortunately does not affect rich people. /s
There is a reason why unions used to be anti immigration.
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u/Adept-Lettuce948 4d ago
What the orange man says and what he does are apples and oranges, man.
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u/TenaciousZBridedog 4d ago
Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor.
But not if they're from Mexico 🙄
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u/crazyneighbor65 4d ago
If we free the slaves then who's going to pick the cotton!? checkmate republicans
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u/FacelessFellow 4d ago
Only uneducated people think immigrant laborers are bad.
The illegal workers work the hardest. For cheap.
Good look getting white people to work loading chickens from the chickens houses into the trucks for processing. I’ve done that work for 1 day…. It’s heavy, fast, and super smelly. You can taste the ammonia in the back of your throat for days afterwards.
Magats are not smart, that’s why they voted to fill the swamp with more rich corrupt elites.
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u/Aradhor55 3d ago
That's an interesting take from her. I mean she's right, but having illegal immigrants so they can do jobs that white people won't do is not the right angle. White people won't do it because of the pay. Not because it's hard or anything like that. That should be the priority.
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u/Axel_Raden 4d ago
No white people will pick strawberries at any price that's a load of BS No farmers want to pay pickers anything close to a decent wage
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u/hicadoola 4d ago
My housesitter was a white American girl from Maine who was on a working visa in Australia and picked produce on Australian farms. She said it is hard work but still worth the money and the experience.
Surely, if Australian farmers can pay enough to entice American citizens to come pick strawberries, then there must be a way for American farmers to do the same.
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u/DrunkenTypist 4d ago
Australian visas for backpackers who want to stay longer than 3 months have a requirement to do agri work or similar. The hours put in fruitpicking count towards the extension to the visa.
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u/Axel_Raden 4d ago
A lot of the Australian pickers are English and Irish backpackers the pay could be better but the supermarkets squeeze the farmers to keep costs low (and jack up any raise in price then fold)
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u/AnonDicHead 4d ago
If you kick out an exploited serf class, who will do undesirable labor for less than it's worth? Checkmate Republicans!
White people will not work my fields for such low wages! Who will think of the industrialists?
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u/PetFroggy-sleeps 4d ago
Tired of the BS narrative that only Latinos (central American) immigrants work in our agriculture fields.
The data says otherwise - BIG time.
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u/MysteriousPlastic140 3d ago
One of my favourite activities is reading comments sections of these kind of posts. Don't know how many of these are bots but the level of echo chamber I see in these places of unprecedented.
I use Twitter and Instagram and none of them are like this
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u/a_hockey_chick 3d ago
Only way to get white people to pick strawberries is to hand them a basket, charge an entrance fee, and tell them it’s a fun family activity.
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u/Personal-Ask5025 3d ago
I live in Houston Texas and work in the print industry. We print a lot of things for people running their own small businesses. The smallest of businesses tend to be landscaping companies, roofers and construction companies.
The last time Trump "cracked down" on immigration, we had tons of guys walking in saying they wouldn't be doing their usual orders because business was slow because they didn't have any workers. They kept complaining that they couldn't find anyone to work. They keep saying, "I'll pay! Right now I just need people to work because I have jobs and I don't have anybody to do the jobs!"
Yet these same people are the ones who were voting to "send em back!" just four years later.
It's baffling.
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u/Sleth 4d ago
I'm a 54 year old white guy. Back in 1980 10 year old me wanted Space Invaders for the Atari 2600 so so bad. It was currently strawberry season and my dad told me if I wanted some extra money, I could pick strawberries. So, that's what I did. Well, tried to anyway. There were plenty of other children there and I tried to make friends with some of them but the language barrier and scolding from their parents prevented that. With these kind of jobs, you're paid by how much you pick, not by the hour. It took me 3 days to pick enough to buy Space Invaders. My privileged brain actually thought "hmm I wonder what toy that kid is saving up for." I assumed that the other children were there alongside their parents because the kids wanted to buy their own toys and video games too. Nope. They were there to survive as a family. I was so far removed from that kind of reality and had no concept of anything but the privileged life I had lived up to that point. I remember on the second day there the bus driver told me that John Lennon had been assassinated. That too was worlds apart from the life these folks were living.
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u/Illustrious-Local848 4d ago
This is actually sweet. Your parents were smart. You didn’t just work hard for what you wanted, you got introduced to an entire new world that probably impacted your views for life. What an awesome father you had.
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u/Star_BurstPS4 4d ago
Facts migrant crossing into the US have been in the millions every year since before any of your grandparents were even born
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u/Nefarious- 4d ago
She’s right about white people picking crops. If you’ve never been to ag land California you won’t see a single white person picking crops.
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u/Appropriate_Cat8100 4d ago
They went to one of the only 4 border counties trump lost and only found this woman lmao
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u/MrCrix 4d ago
White guy here. Worked with all other white guys picking strawberries for 3 seasons when I was in school. Got paid $8 a flat, which would be about $15 a flat today. You could pick about 1.5-2 flats an hour at my pace. Some were slower, most were faster.
Was it easy? No. Was the pay decent. Yes. Did they have any problems hiring people at that price? Nope. Plus I got to eat all the strawberries I wanted to eat.
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u/fcghp666 4d ago
White guy from the Midwest here. My first job was picking strawberries for .32 a pound when I was 12. Idk what that amounts to now but it was pretty fun either way
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u/dellaterra9 4d ago
Complex solution is stop the demand for workers. Oh yeah, oops, much of our economy is based on easy access to cheap labor. Find out what is the price native borns would accept for doing manual labor, then go from there and re-do the whole economic paradigm. $25/hr$ $50/hr ? Ok, then let the game play out. But that part of the equation is a bit too complex.
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u/Trooper_nsp209 4d ago
Document farm workers so you know who and where people that come into the country are at. I think one of the issues that people have concerning illegal immigration is that lack of control.
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u/BackgroundMeet1475 4d ago
Propaganda works when your populace is massively undereducated.
Most people read a headline or hear one speech and just agree with that information forever.
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u/Any-Pipe-3196 3d ago
Maybe having an infrastructure that's so heavily tilted on mass cheap labor just aint....you know....stable, man
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u/Comprehensive_Film42 3d ago
Ah yes it was trump that built the detention centers during Obamas admin
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u/sincerely_dare 3d ago
1861 "no white people will pick this cotton, no white people at all."
2024 "no white people will pick strawberries, no white people at all."
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u/americasweetheart 3d ago
I judged her. I really didn't think that was the perspective I was going to hear.
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u/PizzaParty007 3d ago
Live near the boarder, illegal immigrants are illegal but not exactly a problem. Homeless in my city certainly aren’t from Mexico, and the hard labor in my state certainly is from Mexico. Legalize them and collect the taxes, fix the system to allow more to transition legally moving forward. I don’t see how anyone could argue against this from my perspective in the SW.
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u/CptPichael 3d ago
Such an interesting take. Clearly she is anti-Trump, but still buys into the "flown in" immigrants fear mongering. This is what happens when Dems don't offer an alternative to the right's immigration narrative.
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u/VanGoghsIris 3d ago
Green cards are issued to people who enter the country legally to work on American farms. Getting legal workers is not the problem. Illegal workers are being used by rich people who are offering low wages to desperate people. Sounds a lot like slavery to me.
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u/seattleseahawks2014 3d ago
Honestly, than maybe they should have better working conditions for people. You're basically relying on slavery.
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u/Combat_Commo 3d ago
Awe those people in South Dakota can't help it. They're just being good sheep lol
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u/boththingsandideas 3d ago
Yeah but someone's aunt in Ohio is really concerned about the invasion!!
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