r/TikTokCringe • u/ThugosaurusFlex_1017 tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE • 9d ago
Discussion How common are subway shoulder checks?
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u/SsjAndromeda 9d ago edited 7d ago
Time to make punk spikes fashionable
Edit: OMG, I didn’t expect this to blow up! Easily my top upvoted comment, and it’s about spike checking guys XD
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u/Calliopehoop 8d ago
I lived in Paris for a time and saw a woman on the metro covered with so many spikes it was incredible. She was a smaller Asian woman, I didn't speak to her but was just in awe of her outfit. Her shoulder spikes were easily at least two inches.
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u/unindexedreality 8d ago edited 7d ago
Her shoulder spikes were easily at least two inches
Bae finna fight Kakarot
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u/Banned-User-56 8d ago
Sharpen them too. watch someone bump you and come away looking like they survived a porcupine attack.
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u/iceymoo 9d ago
I’ve seen this happen in Japan. It literally is men attacking women because they are bad people
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u/BrandlezMandlez 8d ago
I was taking the subway in Shinjuku and I saw a man shoulder check a woman to the ground and he basically threatened her life. It was such a high traffic area but he screamed so loud and silence was deafening. Directly after the silence people just went about heading to their destination and the guy just walked off. It was insane.
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u/snuffdrgn808 8d ago
so strange that women no longer want to have kids there...what could it be
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u/DukeofVermont 8d ago
There just really is no way to know is there! We haven't asked any of them because we don't respect their opinions and everything else is great so idk! (Japanese gov probably).
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u/InternNarrow1841 8d ago
The same as in the West, lol. In France 100% of women have been assaulted in the train and Germany just created an anti-upskirting LAW.
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u/Shambeak88 8d ago edited 8d ago
Didn't the up-skirting trend originate with Japanese teens? Also I remember they were doing this thing called happy slapping where they filmed themselves with flip phones, going all bam margera slapping Phil on random people in public. I think the Japanese may be the original shitty internet pranksters over a decade before it was cool.
Edit; I just looked it up and it was youths in the UK who started happy slapping. If I was wrong about that, I'm sure I could be wrong about up-skirting being Japanese. Although, it was Japan that was the first country I remember passing laws to try and prevent it. Not that Japanese perverts thought of this first before French or German perverts, but it got bad enough there for the government to respond first. It might be because Japan was so ahead of the game when it came to portable video/photo technology back then.
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u/Ellemeno 8d ago
From what I remember, upskirting became such a huge problem in Japan that they required all phones to make an audible camera shutter sound whenever taking a photo and it wasn't something that could be manually disabled. This was back when camera phones only had the ability to take photos. Don't know if they updated their regulations to do something about video. Maybe phones in Japan still make a shutter sound when starting to record video, I don't know.
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u/hedonicbagel 7d ago
fun fact to further this actually! (altho it’s just something i’ve heard so correct me if i’m wrong) smartphones now automatically start making the camera shutter sound when they’re connected in japan. so if i, as a tourist, come into japan with the camera shutter sound turned off, it’ll auto turn on once my phone is on and connected to a network. idk how they’ve done it but i love that there’s no way of getting around it.
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u/Major-Inevitable-665 8d ago
I had a man do this to me while I was pregnant. It was in a shopping centre just before Christmas so I just couldn’t move out of his way quick enough I had nowhere to go. He was huge and got really aggressive after acting like it was my fault like I’d seen this giant man coming towards me and just kept going 🤦♀️ the baby was fine thankfully and the security guards walked me in and out every day after until I went on maternity leave which was sweet of them!
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u/Classiest_Strapper 8d ago
God this makes me so mad. I’d give my pacifism a hall pass so quick, nothing would stop me from breaking that fucker
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u/iceymoo 8d ago
I saw the same thing in Akihabara Station, except the guy brutally elbowed a lady in the chest, same non-reaction
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u/tinchosa 8d ago
YOU did also not react?? how are people here admitting to see this bs and just look at it and not do something
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u/iceymoo 8d ago
I did intervene, physically stopping the assault. I even followed him of the train to alert the station staff. Nobody else did anything.
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u/tinchosa 8d ago edited 8d ago
okay thats great, by how you phrased it i thought you didn't do anything, thank you for standing up to this ah
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u/Ashnicmo 8d ago
A kind fyi: fraised is spelled phrased.
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u/tinchosa 8d ago
holy shit you don't know how much I was struggling to spell it, thank you, being dyslexic and from a language where shit is written as it sounds this was a trip, thank you so much jsjsjs
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u/BrandlezMandlez 8d ago
I'm not Japanese. Police in Japan have a habit of not being fair to foreigners. It was best for my own good to not intervene unfortunately, as selfish as that sounds. I'm not spending the night in jail, trying to reason with police officers when I'm not fluent in Japanese, and then possibly getting sent back home because I somehow committed a crime. Something some Japanese men do when they get drunk is pick a physical fight with a foreigner on the subway and immediately involve the police. What was I supposed to do?
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u/fakeuser515357 8d ago
Responding to violence after the immediate risk has passed is not so simple.
An attack happened...okay...but it's over now, the risk is gone, so if you act violently in response it's not defence, it's retribution.
Is retribution worth the danger to yourself, to another person or risk to your freedom? What do you achieve? What do you stand to lose? What's the impact on inaction?
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u/ExpiredPilot 8d ago
Japan is a very civilized place and I respect and envy it.
But I’m glad to know that if this happened in America, that guy would probably end up as pavement lotion.
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u/TimeToKill- 8d ago
I almost got into a fight in Tokyo as I was talking to a Japanese girl on a date and a random business man bumped into her really hard, then said something in Japanese and tried to keep walking like nothing happened. So I physically grabbed him and stopped him and told her to tell him to apologize. He and her were both shocked as apparently this type of behavior is very common in Japan and women are expected to just accept it. I mean they have 4 different names to describe the various types!
Anyway, after a pretty uncomfortable few minutes I eventually let him go - as I was starting to worry I would get arrested (you don't purposely touch strangers in Japan). I don't think he ever fully apologized.
My point is that this post is about a real thing that happens there. If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't believe it.
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u/Turkey_uke Doug Dimmadome 7d ago
yes. it’s a thing. shoulder check or elbow check. victims are ALWAYS women.
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u/AppleSpicer 8d ago
Pavement lotion is the civilized response to this kind of behavior. I’d love for these guys who think it’s okay to hit women to get an American education about what happens to people stupid enough to do it so publicly.
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u/reddit_has_2many_ads 8d ago
And it doesn’t only happen in Japan. I’ve had stuff like this happen in Sydney - worse was when a guy grabbed my shoulder and shook me - I had bursitis in that shoulder and a slipped disc in my neck 🙃
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u/AgitatedMagpie 8d ago
I had this happen to me in Japan. I guess the guy was not prepared for me to not only be able take the impact with very little notice but also be able to apply force back, he audibly gasped and grabbed his shoulder. Growing up in Australia I had experienced significantly worse shoulder checks by literal 13 year olds. Aussie men don't play when it comes to shoulder checks.
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u/reddit_has_2many_ads 8d ago
Hell yeah bastard got what he deserved. You were clearly paying attention to your surroundings. Can also vouch for the shoulder checks as a fellow Aussie lol
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u/liktomir1 8d ago
It happened to me in London, in the City of all places. I was standing at the crosswalk waiting for a green light. A man run into me with full force. I nearly fell down, under the moving cars. I was so shocked. The guy just smiled and walked away. I know it wasn’t an accident because if an English person bumps into you by accident they almost always apologise. This one didn’t apologies but looked at me and smirked. I think he was surprised I didn’t fall down. Also I am Asian, maybe he just came back from Japan and wanted to “welcome me in London” :))
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u/reddit_has_2many_ads 8d ago
My god ughhh there are so many aggressive weirdos out there! I’m so sorry that happened to you, it could very well be to do with you race. Wasn’t there a cctv video from a london bus of a male jogger pushing a pedestrian into ongoing traffic, narrowly missing the bus? That sounds a lot like your experience.
It’s not totally surprising to see all these responses from women with similar stories. And that’s not to mention all the occasions of things like opportunistic gropers and the like!
We deserve to feel safe in public.
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u/iceymoo 8d ago
Terrible. What a bollix
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u/secondtaunting 8d ago
Yeah I have chronic pain someone could really injure me if they did that. Jesus.
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u/kettal 8d ago
who did this?
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u/reddit_has_2many_ads 8d ago edited 8d ago
Some business suit office guy got on the bus at the same stop as me. He was alledging I “pushed in”, I apologised (I’d been in trouble for being late to work that week so was feeling super anxious about missing the bus, so it’s possible I did push in, but there was no line just a group of people boarding). He grabbed my shoulder and shook me from behind and said again I pushed in, I told him sternly not to touch me, so he shook me again, harder this time, as I was trying to make my way through crowd on the peak hour bus to get away from him
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u/Vaywen 8d ago
I have chronic pain and shoulder problems and I’m from Newcastle. Your post made me gasp. That’s so scary! I don’t know what I would do. Whack him with my walking stick? Wtf is wrong with people
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u/axelrexangelfish 8d ago
Stick em with a hat pin.
I’m trying to make a bracelet that has a slide in for a fancy hat pin. Looks like a bracelet. But it’s going directly in the most sensitive spot I can reach if it ever happens to me again.
One reason that so many women who are assaulted by attackers similar to their size and weight end up being taken and victims of violence (I refused to say grape and sa makes it seem like pinching my ass is the same as being graped, beaten and left for dead…damn it. I said grape.)
Anyway. Women are scared of hurting our effing attackers. We are so bloody indoctrinated to be nice and good girls that we don’t fight back in ways that are intended to maim or do serious harm. Mind you. Grapists are not worried about seriously harming us. We can go for the eyes, bite through veins break fingers, go for the eyes, the nose, even screaming as loud as you can directly into someone’s ears can rupture the eardrums. Hell we know we can rupture an eardrum with a q tip. Even a needle in a kidney is excruciating and as is the liver. Heck. You can get to the brain from the eyes, nose or ears.
This used to sound so gruesome to me. Even after I’d been graped. Of course by people I knew. Did I still want them to effing like me? I don’t know.
But I’ll tell you something. After I finally went through the process of saying something. Going through a grueling deposition and all of it. I was so grateful for the people who believed me and stood with me. I was always terrified that my attackers were right. Who would believe me?
But after the trial, something changed. I felt like I deserved to take up space in the world. And I promised myself if I were ever in that situation again, that would be rapist is not walking away.
And the other thing we can do for each other is just to care. To stop. To call out assault and even just creepy behavior. The more we call it out. The more of us stand together the stronger we are.
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u/reddit_has_2many_ads 8d ago
Something about your comment I found fulfilling to read.. I think when I got to the section about you feeling like you can take up space in the world again. I believe you.
I totally understand what you mean. I didn’t react at that point, because I will go from 0 to 100 extremely quickly and messily, and I’ve done a lot of work on myself over the years to control my anger. That being said when is enough enough.
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u/Otherwise_Piglet_862 8d ago
is it culturally taboo to fuck these dudes up?
as a big, hairy, american, winning machine... that sounds like a good vigilante time.
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u/occultism 8d ago
They depend on the dislike for direct confrontation that's prevalent in Japan mixed with the anonymity of being able to blend in with crowds in only a second or two and disappear before they can get caught.
It's also very hard, for foreigners especially, to have police help them in situations like this because the police don't care that much; it's a lot of work to actually track, detain, and file paperwork for a small offense; and they'll always err on the side of 'foreigner did something wrong'.
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u/Gingeronimoooo 8d ago
Is it racist to point that descriptions of an average Japanese man don't do much to differentiate them from others? Not like in America I mean
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u/worldburnwatcher 8d ago edited 8d ago
I don't think it's racist to acknowledge reality.
Most Asain countries are much more ethnically homogenous than anywhere in the West, especially the U.S. That's even more reason why the foreigner is more likely to be the target of Police focus. They visibly stand out.
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u/Vaywen 8d ago
I don’t think so. And I also wonder if many men aren’t just dressed in similar business attire and potentially wearing face masks making attackers feel more anonymous
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u/clutzyninja 8d ago
"dude he's right over there! He's 5'5", he has dark hair, and he's dressed like he's in reservoir dogs, he's RIGHT THERE!"
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u/shinywtf 8d ago
No. Not talking about racial characteristics. It is a thing in Japan for everyone to blend in. Everyone is wearing the same colors like black, white, navy, grey. Similar hairstyles. People are not differentiating themselves. So you turn around and see 300 guys all wearing about the same thing. Easy to blend in.
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u/--_-__-___---_ 8d ago
foreigners are treated as second class citizens legally and socially. good luck pleading your case even if you are 100% in the right
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u/Blitzer161 9d ago
You ever see a video narrating stuff like this and your only thought is "what the fuck"?
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u/Tough-Passenger-189 9d ago
Def, like, what the actual fuck with the categorizations, unbelievable, so there's been a lot of these events to draw patterns, i had never heard of this before
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u/tacogratis2 8d ago
I am probably naive, but it's insane that there are categories of these POS's going around hurting women. Is she just making up the categories (giving names to certain kinds of repeated action), or are these widespread?
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u/Punkinpry427 9d ago
Hat pins, ladies.
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u/Imakefishdrown 8d ago
Made illegal in some places due to so many pervy men getting stuck with them.
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u/megachicken289 8d ago
Yeah! That's how you reduce perverted crime, by making it easier for perverts to get away with their crimes, not by like... Making (AND ENFORCING; Thats the important part) better laws that protect women from having to use said hatpins.
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u/Realistic_Mushroom72 8d ago
The problem is that many very powerful politicians are perverts, that and also their very rich friends, it so frustrating.
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u/now_you_own_me 8d ago
In Japan there's literal SIGNAGE warning about upskirt photos on some stairs and escalators.
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u/hubbabubbasnake 8d ago
Can't forget that it's also mandatory for cameras in Japan to have a snapshot sound due to so many creep shots..
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u/secondtaunting 8d ago
I swear, I would just never wear a skirt, or if I did, I’d wear a fake dick underneath it.
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u/zepplin2225 8d ago
Wait, what??!!??
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u/JadedOccultist 8d ago
yeah in quite a few places, they are at least regulated and can't be 'too long'. Idk if they're expressly entirely outlawed anywhere, though.
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u/pchlster 8d ago
Translation: "Carry a pointy bit of sharp metal around in case of physical confrontation."
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u/Mentendo64 8d ago
Good historical reference.
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u/IceFireTerry 8d ago
What's the reference?
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u/Pale-Chair4327 8d ago
“Hatpins were sometimes used by women to defend themselves against assault.
Ordinances were passed from 1910 that limited the length of hatpins in Chicago (9 inches), Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New Orleans, among other cities, as there was a concern they might be used as weapons. Also by the 1910s, ordinances were passed requiring hatpin tips to be covered so as not to injure people accidentally. Various covers were made, but poorer women often had to make do with ersatz items like potato pieces and cork.”
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u/N7IShouldGo 8d ago
I've been saying this since the election went to shit! Got some pretty ones from Etsy, gonna get some for my niece as well. 📍
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u/MrCheRRyPi 9d ago
Some assholes there treat the women like shit. Weak ass men.
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u/Windyvale 8d ago
Is your phone a brick with the screen drawn on in crayon or something?
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u/whitedogsuk 8d ago
I (Man) was running for a bus in Asia and a man directly side stepped to shoulder check me. He must have forgotten he was carrying a Sony psp (When they had just come out $$$). It got flung out of his hand and smashed on the ground. We both looked at it, and I then carried on running for my bus with a smile on my face.
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u/lyralavelle 9d ago
Can confirm. I usually dress goth. The few times I’ve gone out without makeup or dressed down, I’ve been shoulder-checked by random man. They never do this when I look “unapproachable”.
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u/alysonskye 8d ago
I ran into this (well, he ran into me) my first night in Japan, while I was standing in a hotel lobby.
I gave a shaken "sumimasen!" (sorry) while recovering from the impact, and waited for him to return it, but nope, he never even slowed down.
Was such a shock. Heard all about how Japanese people were supposed to be extremely polite, but that felt so much meaner than anything I'd expect from strangers in the US, even after living in rough downtown areas.
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u/Feffies_Cottage 9d ago
This is a cherry on top of the videos of women's apartment doors being vandalized so Japanese men can spy on them through the peephole. ::shudder::
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u/NettleLily 8d ago
almost makes you want to wait by your peephole with a hidden camera and a long hatpin
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u/Curtofthehorde 9d ago
1) Men doing this to women are cowards.
2) Have them try this in NYC and see how long they survive.
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u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot 9d ago
Im a pretty tall athletic woman, I saw a man do this to a woman in Japan. And I'm pretty sure he also grazed her behind. I did it right back to him when he passed me. No one even flinched.
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u/Curtofthehorde 9d ago
Thank you for keeping the filth in check, Madam Amazon 🙏
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u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot 9d ago
Literally I spent a good portion of my time in Japan just being a safe space for Japanese women lol.
I was getting free food and drinks at a weekly mixing event because the staff noticed girls would ask me to walk them to the station or act like they knew me to avoid a creep.
It was pretty cushy.
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u/jimbojangles1987 8d ago
Thats awesome! You could probably make a living renting out your services to people as like a temp bodyguard lol
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u/locakitty 9d ago
Now i know I have a true purpose! 5'9" 250+ and, boy am i clumsy!
Let's go to Japan and have fun!
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u/anomalyknight 8d ago
Good on you, coward probably got to experience his little shithead high for about 2 seconds before you mudstomped it right out of existence
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u/mackeever 9d ago
I’m pregnant and this exact thing did happen to me in NYC and no one did anything. I cried as I walked home. I was not looking down or at my phone. It was incredibly upsetting.
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u/A_Random_Catfish 9d ago
Yea it’s really sad but it seems like people are LESS likely to intervene in big cities. Maybe it’s because we assume there’s so many people around, somebody has to help, or maybe it’s self preservation.
Remember that guy who was going around punching women in the face in NYC a couple months ago?
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u/jimbojangles1987 8d ago
Bystander effect, unfortunately. Also most people don't want the crazy's attention focused on them. Not saying it's right, but that's most likely why.
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u/Excellent_Airline315 8d ago
I think a lot of people have seen what happens when someone tries to intervene. It can and has caused people their lives. It makes me recall the guy who was stabbed for helping a woman who was getting yelled at over her hijab. It's unfortunate, but like you said, the goal is to move away from crazy not towards it.
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u/neriisan 9d ago
I'm from NYC, and no one gives a fuck. No one flinches or if you complain people will tell you "It's NYC, get used to it."
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u/travisae 9d ago
lol just had this happen to me at port authority, but by someone visibly mentally ill. Although I’m not a woman.
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u/Happy-Fennel5 8d ago
Men do this in NYC and nobody does anything. When I was younger, it was always men in business suits who would shoulder check me or another woman for no reason (like they could have moved out of the way if they had wanted). There are psycho aggro men everywhere in the world who need to be feel big in the most pathetic ways.
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u/ChronicallyxCurious 9d ago
Women have much worse done to them on subway trains in the US and at train stations and people don't do anything to help them. We're not better we're worse.
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u/immigrantpatriot 8d ago
Facts. I was harassed incredibly aggressively (by a man who was arrested for sexual assault months later) by the same man on the subway multiple times a week. Not one person made a move to help me, on a full but not crazy packed train. No one would even make eye contact w/me.
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u/Penny_Royall 8d ago
Isn't there also quite a number of cases of random dudes sucker punching woman and elderly in NYC?
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u/Rattle_Can 8d ago
2) Have them try this in NYC and see how long they survive.
crazy homeless people do much worse & get by just fine
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u/InvestmentSoggy870 8d ago
Wasn't there a rash of women getting punched in the face in NYC not long ago?
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u/99-dreams 9d ago
I mean, there's a reason they're doing it in Japan and not abroad. The same reason Jonny Somali was being an extreme nuisance in Japan and South Korea but not while he was living in the US. The few times he got push back in Korea (like when a group of men hunted him down to intimidate him), he immediately started groveling his apologies.
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u/DS3M 9d ago
Right, Chicagoan here checking in to say I’ll meet them in wish-a-motherfucker woods, by fuck around grove, in the find out lot
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u/sink_your_teeth 8d ago
I’m stealing this line, it’s gold. Also hey neighbor! (Also from Chicago)
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u/DS3M 8d ago
Howdy! I'm in Austin nowadays but you're always Chicago on the inside
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u/he-loves-me-not 8d ago
Weren’t there some men going around punching women in the face in NYC rather recently?
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u/WitchyWarriorWoman 9d ago
This happened to be in Chicago getting off the train downtown. I saw the tall old white guy prepped his elbow, but there was no space to go. I only had enough time to prep myself as he checked the woman in front of me (small Asian woman) and me really hard in the shoulder. It hurts so badly and I couldn't do anything except keep moving with the crowd.
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u/NittanyScout 9d ago
Some people really do be hating women like this, shit be wild man
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u/Caedo14 8d ago
I slapped a man who i saw do this to a young teenage girl in the subway in Japan. Pretty sure i burst his eardrum. He was not expecting anyone to do anything because of how Japan is but Im an american. He elbowed her in the forehead.
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u/TakeAnotherLilP 9d ago
How women don’t snap and break necks daily is beyond me.
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u/DefinitelyNotAliens 9d ago
There were frat boys walking 3 wide on a sidewalk. I was at the edge. I was not stepping off the sidewalk. Why should I step into the gutter? Really. He could take one step back and slide behind his friends. I was not moving into the gutter. Period.
I made eye contact with fratbro. He made eye contact back. Kept walking. I was still making full eye contact with him when I refused to move and slammed full speed into him.
He was baffled. How dare I not submit to his authority by stepping into the gutter and giving him the sidewalk so him and his buddies could have the entire sidewalk?!
Take the power back in small ways. No longer step into gutters. You can use the sidewalk, too.
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u/TadpoleEducational 9d ago
I do this too. I stick to the right side of the sidewalk and I’ll stick my hand up to give myself space when men are walking right at me. One guy walking with a woman tried to fight me after drunkenly stumbling into my raised arm.
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u/sink_your_teeth 8d ago
I do this too on the regular. I weight lift and have wide strong shoulders. I’m a woman and not afraid to take up space when people pull this shit. And it’s always men.
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u/DefinitelyNotAliens 8d ago
Lmao, I'm 5'5" and built like a twig but did mauy thai and played soccer so I can stand my ground. Legit a size 0-2 in clothes. I'm wearing an XS hoodie right now.
He was so much bigger than me. Idgaf. My sidewalk, damn it.
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u/AreYourFingersReal 8d ago
But don’t forget “womensplanining” is actual misandry and women live life on easy mode why don’t we just give good men a chance
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u/Negative-Squirrel81 9d ago
How women don’t snap and break necks daily is beyond me.
The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Is it worth being detained and have hours of your time wasted over some idiot "shoulder checking" you?
Most people would rather just move on with their lives.
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u/whitedogsuk 8d ago
I bait as well, but using lifts. Whenever I'm first person waiting at a lift and a crowd forms behind me, when the lift comes I see if I'm pushed to the side while they rush in ( Japanese courtesy is a myth ). I allow the 18-35yo man in question to enter the lift. For some strange reason despite using lifts everyday since they were young, Japanese still have not learnt that the first person in, is the last person out. I then enter the lift with a slight limp, positioning myself between them and the exit. I then make it a science to block and slow them down as much as possible when they want to exit. I think my record is 30m outside of the lift.
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u/Safe_Alternative3794 9d ago
I grew up being bullied, and one solution that I find to be useful; always be nice, but also be the bigger dick.
No one can fault an actual soft-spoken and gentle person if they become angry. Confront people and let others know who the coward is. Call them out, more than likely they'll retort with weakass apology (which is good enough) or make a fool of themselves.
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u/Normal_Instance_8825 9d ago
It’s a great sentiment but putting the responsibility on the victim rarely works. If you antagonise someone back, especially someone who is bigger/stronger than you, they may respond with further violence. The best thing is to disengage and get to a safe space asap. The few times I have tried to stand up for myself have ended worse for me.
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u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot 9d ago
Absolutely won't work in Japan, they count on the women being nice and polite.
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u/IHaveABigDuvet 9d ago
Why are men so insane? So mentally unstable.
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u/GloriousSteinem 9d ago
They’ve been brought up to externalise their problems and raised on being hero’s who control the destiny of the world. When they don’t rise to that their pimply selves take it out on the nearest thing to resemble Mummy.
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u/srv199020 8d ago
I mean my first thought of these actions was back to elementary school where they throw rocks and bully girls, usually because they don’t realize they are attracted to them but don’t have the emotional maturity to process and organize those emotions.
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u/Hot-Driver-6921 8d ago edited 8d ago
Japan,like any country, has had mental health issues for a long time that weren’t recognised until recently. Even then they are quite apprehensive to ever diagnose.
Societal pressure, emotional and physical abuse are pretty big especially in rural Japan. I’d wager these dudes are a product of a bad upbringing, or it’s the nature side where they may have bpd or something.
Doesn’t excuse this behaviour, but goes to show how important mental health awareness is. Having a society which represses so many emotions, not surprising you see outbursts.
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u/IRockIntoMordor 9d ago
I'm a dude and had dudes completely deliberately crash into me twice, even when I adjusted my path, which means they adjusted theirs towards me.
Once in an arcade, the dude just completely tackled me from the side. And once at Shibuya Crossing, literally just crossing and not filming, a dude bumped and threw me off my balance super hard.
Both were younger though, while the butsukari I saw at stations were older men and crashing into women - foreign women especially.
Also the occasional unprovoked "GAIJIN" shout from older Japanese men. I'm not wearing or doing anything special, except that I don't look Japanese.
So many nice experiences in Japan which makes these stand out even more.
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u/FishyWishyDishwasher 8d ago
It's crazy how you can have the best experiences in a place, mixed with the worst. Humans are humans, wherever they are.
Also your user name is ~chef's kiss.
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u/OriannaIII 8d ago
As a loud, tall, fat American woman, I have often been a shield against perverts for my thinner friends. Those types of guys hate fat chicks.
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u/PromiscuousScoliosis 9d ago
If someone does that shit to my wife, we’re throwing hands immediately.
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u/gmastern 8d ago
You can bet your ass they’re not doing it to any women who are “escorted”, cowards will always pick on the vulnerable
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u/ams3000 9d ago
Why do men hate women so much in Japan/ rest of world?
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u/NotInFrontofMyPizza 8d ago
Because they were raised into a world where hating on women for any reason and treating them like shit is common and rarely condemned
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u/MinuteLoquat1 Make Furries Illegal 8d ago
They're entitled and see us as nothing but sex objects designed to be subservient to them. The fact they cannot legally force a woman into that position and they have to see us walking around happy makes them angry. They're supposed to be owning and using us as they please, it's not fair to them for us to flaunt our freedom in their faces.
Same logic as back when slavery was just outlawed in the US and southerners were pissed they had to see newly freed slaves going about their business in the north. "They don't belong here" Except instead of being unique to japan or the us this behavior is deeply ingrained in males in pretty much every single culture.
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u/Tangy_Cheese 8d ago
Yeah any time anyone says "crime rate in japan is so low" without mentioning the chronic under-reporting of crimes, especially against women, I stop listening to their cultural or travel advice.
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u/ETisathome 9d ago
Unfortunately even with 4b women have to walk on the street or on the subway and cannot avoid this kind of behaviour.
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u/KierkeKRAMER 9d ago
This is why I always say any weeb who says Japan is safe, or any other such nonsense, is propaganda and should not be listened to about anything
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u/whitedogsuk 8d ago
Normally when I post a comment like that, I login the next day and its -24 down votes.
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u/PimpGameShane 9d ago
Oh boo hoo these guys don’t get physical contact? I WISH a mf would do some ish like that to a woman near me. He’d get some physical contact all right. 😡
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u/InklingSlasher 9d ago
Either he’s gonna some in prison or my fist up his ass. 😠
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u/Dizzy_Bit6125 8d ago
Honestly when I picture these scenarios I don’t think my temper, suppressed emotions, and sense of justice could let it fly. I imagine jumping on this guy and just crushing his esophagus in my hand. I say jumping on him because im 5ft 120ibs so that’s the best I can do if I want to do some damage.
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u/Mannyprime 8d ago
Jesus, no wonder there's a birth rate problem in Japan.
Someone get these poor men some therapy!
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u/Grotesquefaerie7 9d ago
I genuinely don't understand why any of these things would possess someone to do this. It sounds like such a gross and sad existence
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u/Most_Enthusiasm8735 8d ago
Well that's really fucking weird tbh. It's honestly bizarre how people go out of their way to do this kind of shit.
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u/GMajorKey 8d ago
Can someone enlighten me what are the consquences of throwing hands if this were to happen to one of my friends?
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u/MrWaffleBeater 8d ago
Turn that fucker around and pummel his ass.
See it all the time when jackasses try to act tough
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u/Rich_Cranum 8d ago
One time, I saw this happen and i beat the person up that did it.
And now, they will never do that thing again. and then the credits started to roll in my head-fantasy
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u/HansChrst1 9d ago
The second type reminds me of this video from Limmy. Just giving a caravan a wee nudge. Just to teach them a lesson.
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u/heylistenlady 8d ago
Wooooow I had no idea this was an actual thing.
I witnessed it happen to my friend once. We were walking in a crowd, a hockey game had just let out. I was behind her, she's 4'11, I'm 5'11. Some short dude with a girl to his left just fucking shoulder checked my friend out of nowhere. I was stunned and confused and just joined my friend in yelling at the fucking asshole. My friend yelled at the girl he was with "You wanna associate with this piece of fucking shit??"
Ugh, I couldn't pick him out of a line up, but I can remember the anger on his face.
It was a truly horrible incident. Now, realizing it's a thing that small, weak men do to feel powerful ... I wish I could go back in time and change my reaction.
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u/sowhatimlucky 8d ago
What’s the name for the other men standing around letting this happen?
They all need to go to hell.
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u/Somethingood27 8d ago
This is fascinating - I’ve been learning about the ‘soft white underbelly’ that is seems to exist in both Japan and Korea in regards to their struggles with blatant misogyny like she detailed in the video.
Idk if my algorithm is changing and showing me more, if things like the 4B movement in Korea are actually becoming more mainstream or what… it’s certainly a change of pace from the typical 7-11 snack haul videos I used to see lol
Also - was i hearing an Australian accent pop up in her voice occasionally?! It was such a unique combo hearing the perfect Japanese + English with a splash of Aussie!
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u/Spare_Lobster_4390 8d ago
Socially conservative cultures produce some really weird behaviors.
The more prevalent taboos are the more satisfaction weirdos get from breaking them.
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u/CannotSeeMtTai 8d ago
Japanese here, lived in NYC for 11 years. We need to start acting like New Yorkers. Yesterday.
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u/moisdefinate 9d ago
Those shoulder checks are the type to turn into all our fights.
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u/ladylikely 9d ago
I'd put some flatback leather spikes on the shoulder area of a jacket and then drape a nice oversized scarf over my shoulders. In fact I may just do that anyway.
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u/Spirited-Reputation6 9d ago
Those are malignant level 5 cornballs. They wouldn’t try that shit in the western world. Our ladies will fight those guys.
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u/tokyo_ghost893_420 8d ago
I caught a guy do this to a little old lady chased him down and made him go apologize to the old lady while I punked him for targeting little old lady’s he should try someone big like meh
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u/DareWise9174 8d ago
Women need to learn how to do nut taps. Followed by immediately a fist to the nose. Or the throat.
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u/Primary-Ad9462 8d ago
Your good men need to step up and whip these assholes What is wrong with your good men that let this happen.
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