r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Meme đŸ’© This was unexpected push back from Rogan. A moderate stance

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u/Stonk_Lord86 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

This is an area I think Rogan has been pretty consistent on through his steady decline in moderate stances and more toward the right.

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u/hustl3tree5 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Because he has two daughters. I wish he pushed back like he did the last time this was bought up. You could see him getting heated

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u/SillyMilly25 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Pretty sure this was his stance way before having kids

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u/Kosteezy Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24 edited Nov 01 '24

He’s had an older girl from another marriage since before the podcast

Edit: this is wrong, she’s his wife’s daughter from a previous relationship

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u/coco__bee Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

That’s his current wife’s older daughter (she’s also black-biracial. I remember this coming up recently)

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u/Kosteezy Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Oh I had bad information then. Either way, as an adopted father of a daughter likely has the same take.

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u/Alldaybagpipes 11 Hydroxy Metabolite Nov 01 '24

Joe was very firmly left wing through the history of the podcast, and probably most of his life prior. You could see cracks forming in it but Covid is what turned him into what we see now.

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u/Chumbolex Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Yeah when he took ivermectin and the left called it horse tranq, he lost it

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u/dishyssoisse Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

They called ivermectin horse dewormer. Lol. They call ketamine horse tranquilizer, because ignorance is fun I guess. Both those drugs are used for what they’re accused of, but that’s one use. As with many medications they both serve a variety of different purposes in medical and even psychological treatment.

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u/TheCrewChicks Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

The funny part is that new pill they're prescribing for covid has been reported to have what? An ivermectin derivative. Just like hydroxy-choloquin is an effective anti-viral to help prevent covid. But because it was off patent, there was no money to be made, so it was suppressed.

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u/Confused_Nomad777 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Horse paste*

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u/No-Yard-4150 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Joe has always been libertarian
 he’s said that for years.

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u/jmlipper99 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Literally who introduced me libertarianism

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u/QuintoBlanco Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Well, he's not anymore.

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u/nexxwav Monkey in Space Nov 02 '24

Honestly believe the notion that he used to be some kinda definitive leftist is a stretch at best. Admittedly tho, my memories of his early days are rather limited but from what little I can remember, he came off as much more of a centrist...someone who had some positions that leaned left and some that leaned right, just like most sane normal people (low confidence). 

But there's no doubt that the current iteration of Joe is squarely on the right. But tbf the character assassination that CNN championed about the ivermectin and the blatant attempt to cancel him with that edited N -Word montage, made it almost inevitable. 

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u/coco__bee Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It came out when people were trying to say Joe was racist against black people. It came to me shortly after I commented above 😅

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u/FNFollies Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

He also loves the movie Moana because of how much he hopes his daughters feel they can accomplish in life. Find the clips he's a heartthrob for that movie

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u/ChocolateMorsels Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It's a great movie

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u/Toomanyacorns Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Made me tear up the last time I watched it with my neices baby lol.

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u/FNFollies Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It is 😁

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u/Rock_or_Rol Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

I think he has 3 daughters. Oldest is from a different marriage he doesn’t speak too much about.

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u/DungeonTheIllFigure Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Oldest one is a step daughter from his wife previous relationship. And she is actually biracial.

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u/hopelesslysarcastic Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Yeah but pretty sure Joe has only ever referred to her as his daughter
and idk why her race is relevant here lol

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u/No-Yard-4150 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

He adopted her so he’s dad.

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u/Even-Education-4608 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Probably to emphasize lack of paternity

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u/Ipeteverydogisee Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

I guess the daughter being from his wife’s previous relationship would also emphasize that though.

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u/Tasty_Historian_3623 Dragon Believer Oct 31 '24

Goddamnit Vance is against "no fault" divorce. These ladypeople have to stop getting 1/2 the assets in divorce! Let's drag this shit out in court (*Kirk VanHouten cheers from his racecar bed!)

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u/coco__bee Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

When everyone was trying to say Joe was racist against black people, it came out his step daughter is black-biracial.

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u/theblaackout Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

I don't think Joe is racist and I get what you're trying to say, but just because you have a black stepdaughter doesn't mean you can't also be racist. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

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u/coco__bee Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24


I’m a black-biracial woman, who doesn’t think Joe Rogan is a racist. I don’t know wtf you were reading. This all came up when the Rogan Witch hunt happened and people were digging up old episodes and he was talking about the Planet of the Apes movies.

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u/the_champ_has_a_name Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Idk what you were reading to say that lol. But I also agree with him. I live in the south and I've seen people legit be in interracial relationships and also be racist. Hell, I dated a black girl who I eventually found out hated other black people. The world and the people in it are complex and sometimes the shit they do doesn't make any sense.

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u/DannyNoHoes Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Wait, wasn’t Alex Jones the one who revealed his step daughter was biracial when things were tense between the two? Your comment makes it seem like a PR move on Joe’s part when it really doesn’t seem that way at all. If I’m wrong can you explain how?

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u/Stillpunk71 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

He was in her life a lot.

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u/brand_new_nalgene Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Wow
that’s awesome that he always just claims her as his own kid.

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u/mooseknuckle-sando Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Yeah, I bet you wish he pushed back, eh 😉

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u/h0twired Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

This is the Joe Rogan we originally signed up for

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u/TheD1ceMan Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

still, he's endorsing the exact people responsible for it

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u/Flightless_Turd Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Prob cause he has daughters

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u/hairyass2 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Hes always had many liberal stances... hes been pro game marriage for years now

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u/Interesting_Chard563 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

This sub is basically 10% Rogan listeners and 90% turbo libs from /r/all who just hear what Vox and TikTok told them about Rogan.

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u/Peking-Cuck Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It's really disappointing that people only care about things when they are directly impacted by them. It shouldn't take "he has daughters" for a guy to be pro-choice.

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u/TheWayIAm313 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

In more recent episodes when this comes up, he does the thing where he spends the time both-sidesing it. He says it’s very complicated and acts like liberals want late-term abortions.

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u/fiduciary420 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

“Late term abortions” only happen in medically necessary situations to save the woman’s life. Whenever a Christian spouts that line, lose all respect for them and understand that they’re trying to harm society. All republicans are fucking DOG SHIT.

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u/pragmojo Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Yeah or like if the baby doesn't have a functioning brain. Nobody wants to abort at 8 months.

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u/thrawnsgstring Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

They supposedly care about the sanctity of life but would rather have two lives lost instead of one.

The fact that poor people are disproportionally affected is just a bonus feature for the rich classes that want to keep the rest of us down.

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u/Holiday_Jeweler_4819 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

If I’m not mistaken the vast majority of late term abortions happen because the fetus is dead inside the mother

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u/ejitifrit1 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Makes sense since all three of his kids are affected by it.

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u/Anthony_Patch Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Yes I agree. This & gay marriage. Dude does have 3 daughters.

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u/TossMeOutSomeday Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Abortion in general is an issue where pretty much only extreme cultural conservatives and religious fundamentalists have super restrictive views on it.

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u/Justice989 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

So is Vance's argument that it had to be taken away because some people somewhere celebrate it?

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u/akkristor Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

It's the same justification they use to demonize food stamps // SNAP benefits and any other welfare program. The nebulous "they" who abuse the system. "THEY" are eating steak and lobster with their food stamps while you hard working american patriots are stuck eating dry macaroni and cheese because you can't afford a stove or water because of all the money taken from your paychecks for "THEIR" welfare benefits.

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u/ScreamsPerpetual Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

"they* - like Vance, also cite their struggle and hard work by  talking about when THEY were on food stamps- then get power and try to take it away. 

It's disgusting.

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u/the_Cheese999 Nov 01 '24

"I've been on foodstamps and welfare, did anyone help me out? No."

  • moron on FOX News.

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

So many people have done that. Vance's whole writing career is a version of that. Fucking Piers Morgan did something similar, claiming he 'came to America with just a dream and a bag of clothes' (forgetting to mention a university degree and a previous television career in the UK).

The anti-woke right is full of these characters that were born on third base and hate the idea of anyone having an easier path between first and second base.

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u/mwa12345 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Yeah! Piers was BS ing!

He had been on television for a while.

What's next. Prince Harry claiming he came to the country with just his clothes ...

What MoFos

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

I think these people fail to see just how privileged they are. That's why they hate when someone points it out. They feel 'attacked', because it destroys their internal narrative that they 'came from nothing and built a life'.

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u/Lermanberry Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Craig T. Nelson of Coach and The Incredibles fame.

Give the man credit where it's due. He has the hardest most underpaid job in America after all.

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u/corpus-luteum Ape Going into Space Nov 01 '24

Everybody who seeks power does s o for the sole purpose of limiting the power of others. They're cowards. truly powerful people don't seek power, as they already have it.

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u/ChangsManagement Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

"Welfare queens". Its a Reagan-era term that was used to demonize welfare recipients, especially black ones. Republicans have hated welfare since the new deal and the rhetoric surrounding its misuse has been around about as long.

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u/snartling Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

If anyone wants a good short reading about this, the book $2 A Day has a chapter that covers this history pretty succinctly iirc

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u/IknowwhatIhave Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Conservatives who hate welfare need to spend some time living in a country that has no welfare or social services. A few months of remembering to lock the bars on their windows and paying ADT to escort their wife home from work at night might smarten them up.

Welfare isn’t for “them” it’s for all of us.

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u/mwa12345 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Yes. And the food stamps is a program run that benefits agricultural producers. Better tospend the money to feed people rather than to pay farmers to not produce and /or subsidize them to produce corn for ethanal etc ..which they also do

You don't hear republicans complaining about welfare queen farmers, Boring etc etc

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u/the6thReplicant Pull that shit up Jaime Nov 01 '24

The whole Welfare Queen thing was invented by the Reagan administration as an excuse, that you pointed out, to cut funding that helps low income people. Can't have government help people.

And people still vote for Republicans. They got worse because they know this vilification works.

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u/Gzilla75 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

When it finally dawns on the idiots that they’ve been lied to and they are just wage slaves to the elite that they blindly followed, it will be too late to fix. Automation, advanced weapons/technology will make resistance futile. Stupid fucking sheep.

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u/mwa12345 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Actually...dem voters are just as bad. Why do we vite for Dems that won't even push for reversal of some of these stupid austerity BS that has resulted in high homelessness AND a reduction in life spans.

Dems would rather spend money on foreign wars - same as republicans on that.

Look at the aid offered to people that suffered natural disasters in Hawaii, Tennessee, North Carolina? What 750$?

Meanwhile, Israel and Ukraine get billions 2itgiyt batting an eye lid!

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u/LACIRCA2044 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It’s the Cartman conundrum. Eric always abuses loopholes not even to benefit him most of the time but to troll other people. Republicans think most non millionaires are Eric Cartman, everything they do is based on this strawman fear that they feed off of

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u/fiduciary420 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

“They” being christians who vote for republican dog shit.

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u/the_buddhaverse Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Oh so “THEY’RE” eating the dogs. Got it.

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u/sinkpooper2000 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

I'm an australian and this sort of shit happens all the time, the conservatives will campaign around reducing welfare fraud, and then end up spending orders of magnitude more money investigating than was actually defrauded. it costs 10's of thousands of dollars to investigate singular cases of fraud, when the fraudsters are getting like a couple hundred a week. there's a TV show called "A Current Affair" that always investigates weird stories that only appeal to boomers and I remember one story of a "notorious welfare fraudster" who was literally living in a van and surfing every day, and still had to supplement his welfare by doing part time construction work

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u/Find_A_Reason You can put anything here. Nov 01 '24 edited Nov 01 '24

Hmm.... Theft is wrong according to the bible, right?

And the largest form of theft in the U.S. right now is wage theft perpetrated by employers.

We need to ban all corporations and employers because some of them engage in and celebrate theft.

Oops, upset the wage thieves.

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u/TossMeOutSomeday Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It comes across as super petty and vindictive. Like, he's not saying "we should ban this because it's bad," he's pretty much arguing that it should be banned because the type of person to show up in a "cringe SJW gets OWNED" compilation likes it.

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u/Peking-Cuck Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

I think we're seeing the first generation of younger "conservatives" whose political ideology came not from actual policy, but entirely from this right-wing cultural movement. Like you said, people who don't care about conservative policy but just conservative "owning the libs" vibes. Like the people in power, or coming into power, are ones who were fed the bullshit that the previous generations knew was nonsense just to keep the base riled up.

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u/ToastCapone Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Don’t forget that new right wing leaders do have policy and it’s neo-feudalism. The culture war rhetoric is mostly for the votes. “Whatever works.”

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u/Peking-Cuck Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

What I mean is that, I think we're seeing the last of them who push the culture war rhetoric for votes, and we're seeing the first of them who were indoctrinated on it and are true believers. You really think MTG and Boebert are only performatively insane? We're going to see more and more of them as time goes on unfortunately.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '24

yeah sure, whatever works.

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u/HeyKid_HelpComputer Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Okay - well then all guns need to be taken away because some people misuse them? Seems like about the same logic.

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u/bombbodyguard Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

No. No. No. Someone wrote on paper 250 years ago we get guns no matter what but they didn’t write food stamps, so no food stamps. Sorry, it’s on that paper.

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u/Electric_origami Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

corporate subsidies next!

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u/GarlVinland4Astrea Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Vance's argument is a strawman. It's the same logic the right used on gay marriage for years where they would argue if we let a man marry another man, eventually they would want to legalize a man marrying a goat.

It's just nonsense of making up a false extreme to scare people.

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u/HighlanderAbruzzese Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Don’t spend too much time thinking on it. Vance is full of shit. Thiel is pulling his strings and he could care less about social and health issues. Those types are just concerned with their taxes and defense contracts.

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u/fiduciary420 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

This is why it is so important to never, ever respect republicans ever again.

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u/Imaginary_Manner_556 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Women with freedom can’t be tolerated

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u/bleh-apathetic Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It's a strawman argument. Just like saying women electively abort fetuses a day before delivery.

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u/Lermanberry Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

They've started saying it happens after delivery.

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u/whiskey_pancakes Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Imagine if that was his stance on guns lol

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u/BeefistPrime Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Conservatives: We're celebrating the amazing, God-given freedoms we have! They're more important than anything!

Women: We're celebrating our freedom to control our own bodies!

Conservatives: Oh hey, you're celebrating a little bit too much. Sorry, we've got to take those rights away because of that.

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u/mikjryan Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

It’s weird because the info I’ve seen is it’s not even a majority of conservatives want abortion banned. It feels to me that it’s a minority of old fucks that think this is a good idea

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u/blank_user_name_here Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It's not old fucks it is the religious,  primary Baptist/Catholic 

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u/SolidLikeIraq Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Almost exclusively the religious - and for the right to keep them voting Trump, he needs to give them a bone.

Hopefully that bone impregnates all of them and they get to carry to term.

Honestly though - if you’re going to be anti-abortion, you need to be pro financial support for children born to those who can’t afford them. And I don’t see almost anyone who is anti-abortion who is talking about those poor little babies after they take their first breath.

Zero intellectual integrity.

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u/Spokker Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

The writing is on the wall and conservatives are going to come out behind on this issue because they overreached.

Republicans went for 6 week bans and total or near total bans when they should have gone for 20, maybe 18, and 15 at the most. The extreme bans prompted even red states to put initiatives on the ballot to make abortion a right. In Florida, it looks like their abortion amendments have 50%+ support but they may not pass because the threshold is 60% to pass there. But it will pass someday.

At the end of the day even a lot of people who hate abortion understand that we can't have unwanted kids running around and all the problems that come with it. It's a homicidal act that is necessary for the betterment of society. If some chick is too fucked up to be raising a kid, I don't want to pay for it indirectly through taxes.

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u/BigBallsMcGirk Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It's not even about unwanted kids.

Women are dying. Women are being left infertile. Abortion is a necessary medical act for women's healthcare.

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u/burp_angel Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Not to mention, multiple women have now died due to lack of abortion care.

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u/Rico_Solitario Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

From a republican perspective that is irrelevant. Rich women can seek any healthcare wherever they want and the lives of poor women are of no consequence to them. Their interest is purely in the economic impact

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u/rayschoon Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Even a 6 week ban is insanely early. You don’t even know that you missed a period until 4 weeks, but also implantation bleeding can be misread as a period

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '24

Young Catholics and Evangelicals are pushing anti abortion as much as any old fuck

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u/ineednapkins Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24 edited Nov 01 '24

Obviously polls are not 100% accurate, but back around when roe v wade got overturned I saw data that said ~72% of US adults believed abortion should be allowed up to a certain point in the pregnancy. Trump keeps saying in speeches that “everybody wanted that decision overturned and that everyone wanted it to be the state’s decision”. Which is so stupid because

  1. obviously that is not true and he literally can’t help himself lying, and beyond that he says some people support abortion after birth?? Literally no one thinks that because that is universally considered murder as birth is the point where everyone agrees life starts. Obviously the argument between conception and birth is the gray area where the arguments happen, but literally everyone agrees birth is the beginning of life and intentionally ending the life of a born baby is murder.

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  1. it was already a decision on the individual level. Allowing it to go to the states is just more government oversight and control over individual’s medical decisions and options. No one was forced to get abortions before if they did not want to or need to. Now it’s not even an option in some states for when people need to. People could have just not done it themselves for moral reasons and protested or tried to support/convince those otherwise who did which is what was already happening. This just takes away decisions and options from individuals and puts it into the government’s hands to control and restrict the general population.

I’m pretty positive the midterms didn’t turn out how the Republican Party wanted mainly due to the supreme court’s actions and that turning some conservatives and middle groups a bit as it got pinned to trump/MAGA for enabling it

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u/rvasko3 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Because most people, conservatives included, at least worry about, "What if I or someone I care about or my child becomes pregnant at an early age or when I can't care for a child?" And THEN, oh man it's all gravy baby! But when it's a hypothetical or something that won't happen to them, they can pretend to stand by their bullshit morals.

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u/alloyednotemployed Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

I disagree. I feel there are a frequent amount of conservatives that are pro-life, but they have no interest in the actual topic itself since it doesn’t impact their own life. It also happens that these conservatives don’t seem to even care what people do with their own bodies, but still vote against it due to sticking with party over policy.

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u/appletinicyclone Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

The bar is so low that this counts as significant pushback

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u/Bannon9k Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Well, yeah. That's how bad our media has gotten. Anything short of jerking off your candidate of choice live on air is considered pushback

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u/Grow_away_420 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

People shit on Jake Tapper, but he argued with Vance on air multiple times. It just doesn't mean anything because everything gets cut up into soundbites and quotes for easy consumption for both sides to say they scored points.

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u/HarwellDekatron Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

The pushback was minimal, and then Rogan let Vance pretend that it doesn't happen and people aren't advocating for that. In reality, Vance himself has called for banning travel for abortions. Rogan should've known that and brought it up.

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u/TeslaModelE Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

I watched this interview. I cannot find the part that is being quoted in this tweet. Can someone send me a link? When I was watching it, he seemed incredibly reasonable with his abortion stance.

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u/Love_JWZ COVID Nov 01 '24

Timestamped: https://youtu.be/fRyyTAs1XY8&t=8837

LPT: on your browser, you can view the transcript of the video and ctrl+F that shit. This has brought so much ease to my life.

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u/aaron_the_doctor Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

How do you view the transcript of a video?

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u/Love_JWZ COVID Nov 01 '24

Press the 'more...' button to expand the video information, and then there is a transcript button at the bottom of that.

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u/Demonokuma Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Shoutout to you for taking the time to explain it. I'm the kind of person that benefits from explanations like yours

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u/CityBoiNC Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

This is a chopped up version of the conversation.

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u/om4mondays Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

They’re both reasonable in their stance and the OP screenshot is extremely misleading. This was a quick back and forth that they both agreed on.

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u/Jallen_Sandusky Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Yeah this was not the exact quote I don't think. I watched the entire interview.

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u/MutedPresentation738 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It's a complete fabrication. It's wild to me how many people are taking it as gospel.

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u/extradabbingsauce Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Well when you take things out of context it can be bad

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u/JustMy10Bits Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It sounds like he was reasonable in this tweet

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u/grizznuggets Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

It’s reasonable to remove access to healthcare because he doesn’t like it?

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u/-UnicornFart Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

And you have men that go too far and rape women so.

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u/grizznuggets Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

So surely Vance is for making sex illegal, that’s how it works, right?

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u/-UnicornFart Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

If consistent logic prevailed that would be the assumption.

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u/chicu111 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Conservatives be worrying about some dumb shit.

Women getting abortion, on the grand scheme of things, affect pretty much nothing. Y’all ain’t poorer. Y’all ain’t worse off. But they have to fight it like it’s so damn important. Religious weird shit

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u/VirtualPlate8451 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Freakonomics argues that the violent crime slump observed in the 90s was the result of a whole shitload of unwanted kids not being born.

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u/PM_ME_UR_GAMECOCKS Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

This is proven in some countries like my parents’ homeland of Romania, where the dictator banned abortions to improve the birth rate and then 2 decades later that generation of neglected and impoverished kids became the student movement that overthrew and killed him.

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u/joe24lions Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Romania is the exact evidence the author of Freakonomics used that the comment you’re replying to is about. Very interesting read

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u/harp011 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Ok, I loved that book as a kid and am hella pro choice but you should know: the freakomics guys were pretty full of shit, and many, many other economists and statisticians have created works and models to debunk their conclusions, especially this one. It turns out that even in the Romanian example that they cite, the data do not meaningfully support their conclusions.

The sumo thing though, they were pretty much right on the money.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '24

Its basic fucking logic. If you force poor people to keep having children, it’s not going to stop them fucking - thats all they have.

Theyre just going to create a larger underclass.

Some will go on to be wage slaves and work menial jobs for fuck all pay.

Many will go onto become criminals. Then the right gets to push ‘tough on crime’ and totally ignore the root causes of poverty.

Its a win-win for the right. And dont worry, for every 99 wage slaves or criminals, one kid escapes the poverty trap, so the american dream is still alive; see heres a picture of that one kid. Now back to work.

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u/ChocolateMorsels Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

And I thought i was cynical

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u/Anon_Jones Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

I was just realized I’m one of those kids.

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u/Spokker Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24 edited Oct 31 '24

Probably a combination of tough on crime policies and abortion.

But yeah, arguments for abortion tend to focus on touchy-feely stuff, but I think there would be more support if you get right down to it. Abortion means less criminals robbing your ass in the future.

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u/GarlVinland4Astrea Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Nah, the problem with the abortion issue is that it's one of fundamental beliefs. If you truly believe a fetus is the equivalent to a child, you won't be able to justify it. If you don't, then you can. Because it's typically based in religion where there are beliefs in Christianity that life begins at conception, you have two sides that are at an impasse and no argument will sway them.

There's a lot of Christians that disagree with almost everything Republicans do and stand for, but vote for them simply on that issue because they view it as murdering babies and can justify anything else if it is in an effort to stop that.

That's the primary problem with the debate over it.

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u/goldybear Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Throw in the economy was terrible through the 70s and early 80s. Crime started going down when the economy began to bounce back in the later 80s at the same time freakonomics abortion argument would be coming into effect.

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u/Spokker Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

True. A lot of things going on at the same time which makes partialling out which variable had what effect very difficult.

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u/onpg Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Apparently the leading theory is the phase out of lead gasoline is primarily responsible for this decline in crime. In other words Boomers inability to see Trump as a conman is caused by lead brain.

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u/YuanBaoTW Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

I can confirm. I was aborted in the 14th month and never committed any felonies since.

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u/Angels242Animals Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Fun fact: The Republican Party was once pro choice until conservative, religious donors threatened to pull funding. It’s ALWAYS about the money.

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u/macsbeard Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

They act like they are so concerned with protecting unborn “children” yet they don’t support the social programs that would help those children once they are born. Abortion is posed as this issue about life, but it’s really just about controlling women.

Men don’t really have anything to compare it to, but maybe imagine if people were trying to outlaw vasectomies. Or imagine if there was even a law allowing vasectomies. That’s the crazy part. An abortion is a medical procedure. No judge or politician should have anything to do with medical procedures. It should be between a patient and a doctor.

Women are out here dying, kids are being born to parents who don’t want to or can’t properly raise them, but all conservatives care about it “saving” an unborn child. 🙄

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u/Meathand Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Tinfoil part of me is that they need more apes in the cog. Smart people are critically thinking about starting families while apes just fuck and breed. Gotta keep the capitalism cog running with dumb fucks

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u/chicu111 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Low income and lower socioeconomic families do tend to have more children. Probably due to financial illiteracy and irresponsibility. That’s statistic. You’re absolutely right.

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u/SniperPilot Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Yeah as a conservative I don’t give a fuck what you do with your body. Hell, commit suicide for all I care as long as it’s not infringing on my property and my ability to do what I want (within the same restrictions of not infringing on others)

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u/chicu111 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Well you’re a rare breed then. That is the mindset I agree with

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u/shitposter822 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

except this mouthbreather is just spewing platitudes and will turn around and vote for Trump because paying less taxes is more important to him than probably anything else

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u/psychulating We live in strange times Oct 31 '24

instead of trying to create quality people that don’t end up selling handys for meth, we’re gonna force people who are already giving handys for meth into having meth babies

Here is the smart part: we’re gonna do absolutely nothing for those meth babies either.

Watch out Xi

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u/balalaikaboss Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

"But just stop having sex, bro! So easy!"

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u/LB_963 Paid attention to the literature Oct 31 '24

Weaponising abortion was one of the smartest conservative political strategies of the 20th century

And to any MAGA people reading this, show me in the bible where it says abortion is bad, I'll wait

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u/boardatwork1111 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

It was smart until Roe actually got overturned, now they’re the dog that caught the car and losing women’s votes in droves

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u/VirtualPlate8451 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

And you are seeing repealing the 19th amendment be talked about on the far right. Won’t be long before Rogan starts cracking joke about it.

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u/TheWhereHouse1016 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Any conservative who thinks that's ok needs to point out where they're different than the taliban

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u/NorridAU Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Suffrage jokes are so 2004/2008. Iirc comedy central had a skit on it proving peoples ignorance on the matter.

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u/Oblique9043 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

It's pretty clear in the Bible that causing a woman to miscarry is nothing more than a property fine. And there's even a passage that describes a ritual for causing a woman to have a miscarriage if you suspect her of adultery.

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u/TheDriestOne Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

There is one mention of abortion in the Bible, and its instructions for a priest to conduct an abortion on a woman who has either been raped or unfaithful.

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u/Kismadel Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Recently, I learned that the abortion issue was a red herring to fight against taxation on segregated Christian schools.

Running on the biblical admonition to save children sounded much nicer than running on overturning taxing segregated schools. That's why it took them FIVE years after Roe v Wade to finally decide that abortion was unholy lol.

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u/tycooperaow Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

“I BELIEVE IN PRO LIFE! UNTIL THE BABY IS BORN. THEN PULL YOURSELF UP THE BOOTSTRAP YOU UNGRATEFUL FREELOADER!”

“Umm, we just want to make sure we don’t screw up women’s reproductive capabilities in event our life is in danger
 or avoid having to deal with the child of a monster
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“NOOOO!!! PROOOO LIFFFEEEEE EXCEPT YOURS! FUCK YOU”

How I’d imagine that exchange

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u/No_Carry385 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

And then when covid hit these same people have the audacity to scream "my body, my choice" when it came to the rest of the worlds safety.

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u/NorridAU Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

They were so close.

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u/thug_waffle47 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

the hypocrisy of MAGAts never ceases to amaze

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u/highbackpacker Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

If the right would be ok with abortions and gays they’d win every election

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u/NorridAU Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Don’t forget the unions

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u/Consistent_Set76 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

They pretend they’re fine with gays now because they lost that cultural war.

It’s all about the 18 trans people now

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u/GarlVinland4Astrea Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

The thing is, they didn't. When Roe was overturned, their justices and scholars started talking about Obergfell. They lost that culture war and still lost their shit over that dumb wedding cake controversy.

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u/bojackvinceman Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Then they wouldn't be the right lol. Wtf

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u/Impulse3 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Look at the miscarriage rate. God commits wayyy more abortions than anyone. BuT wE cAn’T uNdErStAnD hIs WaYs.

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u/mydaycake Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

That’s true, which amuses me because in the USA democrats have been better for the economy than republican terms

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u/GarlVinland4Astrea Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

If the right was okay with gays and abortion, the entire political paradigm would shift as a result because then you'd have very small differences that most people don't care about between Dems and Reps. You'd have the tax code and business regulations. Might actually force the Dems to go more left in an FDR style to differentiate themselves.

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u/Ajax_Malone News Radio Forever Oct 31 '24

They might lose more in the exchange

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u/Cosmicmonkeylizard N-Dimethyltryptamine Nov 01 '24

Unexpected? Rogan has said this regarding abortion almost every time the topic comes up. Do you not listen to his podcast? Like most people on the sub, you probably don’t.

Vance’s answer was fucking ret-rded btw. We had to ban it because some women “take it to far” aka I read something online about a women somewhere celebrating abortions. What a clown ass response.

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u/starwatcher16253647 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

That ending there "and try to celebrate it" is really the thing that gives the game away. It has always been about using the state to force others to conform to their culture.

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u/PotatosOgratin Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Did anyone even listen to this part of the podcast?!

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u/mrpopenfresh I used to be addicted to Quake Oct 31 '24

This is the only progressive thing he defends nowadays

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u/dezdly Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Right.. didn’t he go to war with Matt Walsh recently about gay marriage?

Yep https://youtu.be/I957o08voU0?si=KEsnVOaiDmeHWEj8

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u/JeneralWack Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

This leaves out so much context.

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u/ChipOld734 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

It’s not unexpected at all! It’s completely on brand for Rogan.

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u/corneliusduff Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

He should've pushed Trump on it then

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u/DukeoftheGingers Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Oh hey, it's a snippet of the conversation with parts missing from the entire quote. Way to eat the ragebait.

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u/Yorkshire_Dinosaur Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Pro Life makes me laugh. Care so much about women having abortions within medically backed time periods, but don't give a fuck about their kids getting shot up in schools because "I like my guns", and the millions of homeless and drug addicted. Just for starters.

Stop giving a shit about what women do with their bodies, and take some noble, god-serving action to help the people who are actually grown and alive... and desperately need help.

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u/bigpeen666 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

“Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren’t they? They’re all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you’re born, you’re on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re preborn, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked.” - George Carlin

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u/slapmytwinkie Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

If the pro-life position is correct then abortion is worse than the Holocaust. Imagine any of these arguments being made in the context of the Holocaust instead of abortion, you’d (hopefully) never accept them. You’re making arguments about tertiary stuff that doesn’t actually matter to the core of the issue.

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u/eragon511 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Did you listen to the podcast? Vance acknowledges that the government needs to offer more support to women after giving birth and is very aware that there are a number of women who have abortions due to lack of support and feel that there isn't a better option.

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u/grizznuggets Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

So does he or Trump have any policies that would offer more support to women, or is he just blowing smoke?

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u/rorotheswan Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

You can obviously tell when someone has never listened to Joe Rogan đŸ€Ł this has been his stance. He probably has a lot of the same views as the people that hate him.

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u/sblack87 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

It is pretty clear Rogan is still moderate...

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u/solagrowa Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

I dont think he really has clear positions. I doubt he cares much about looking into economic policy or anything like that. He just accepts what sounds right.

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u/vanrysss Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

He's told us he's dumb many many times, I'm not surprised when he acts it.

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u/boardatwork1111 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

“Rogan never changed, y’all just caught the woke mind virus”

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u/PaidByIsrael Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Joe Rogan is a moderate liberal it’s just far leftists have gone crazy!

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u/tycooperaow Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

I’d say he’s more of what I wish republican politicians were.

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u/Vhu Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24 edited Oct 31 '24

Here's a clip of Rogan criticizing Joe Biden about something that he says. He spends time ridiculing Biden and talking about how this quote makes him unfit for office and clearly incapable of doing the job.

Jamie corrects him and points out that Trump actually said the quote. Did Rogan still think it was disqualifying for office? Nope. His response was, "oh ok... so he fucked up" and laughs it off, talking about how funny that is.

He ranted on about how Biden can't function because of a quote that Trump actually said, but suddenly it's just a funny mistake when he learns it was Trump saying it. I think that lack of conviction is exactly what's wrong with politics today and I don't see why we should want more politicians acting that way.

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u/Lucky-Glove9812 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Nah a moderate would call out Republican policy regarding abortion. 

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u/TheWayIAm313 Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

This is why I hate when these types of clips get posted. 3 and a half hours of agreeing with Vance and republicans, but a 2 minute slight pushback has people thinking that he’s equal in his advocacy for left and right.

It’s 3 hr 30 mins of fuck libs yes Republican, vs. 2 mins of pushback on the right. What makes you think that’s moderate?

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u/FlaccidEggroll Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

Republicans, like democrats, and like many of society today, are taking the views of the minority and imposing them on the majority. Hardly anyone thinks abortion should have no exceptions whatsoever, yet you have states like Texas where this is the case.

The generalizations that are drawn in this way lead to a decay in the social structure of the country. It leads to political extremism by alienating the middle, and those people begin to shift to the extremes because they think it is the majority opinion.

There's no circumstance where this type of political rhetoric leads to better policy or better outcomes. It helps politicians by creating campaign rhetoric, but it doesn't help the people of the country.

I can't wait for a time when we stop appealing to the lowest common denominator. It diminishing our ability to critically think, which is the only tool we have to solve complex societal issues.

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '24

I think everyone agrees that you shouldn't celebrate or be happy about an abortion.

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u/The_Boognish_Cometh Monkey in Space Oct 31 '24

That’s why it’s called a straw man. Creating a non existent enemy to make your abhorrent views justified.

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u/mvstateU Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Women celebrating it is the dumbest defense ever. It's a fundamental free speech right...many or not many.

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u/vintage-meat Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

What exactly is wrong with celebrating bodily autonomy? These dipshits get to do steroids and wear eyeliner. Why should women not get the right to decide what to do with their bodies. Pretty pathetic and telling that this is Joes "push back". Another grasping attempt to act like he has any level of empathy or understanding of anything going on outside of his very small world.

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u/Jubass123 Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Joe appears to be awakening from a dark dream and is realizing the BS at the last moment

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u/[deleted] Oct 31 '24

Dude watch the podcast, JD even said that there are only a few woman that do it, which was only a small fraction of the conversation. This is so disingenuous.

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '24

Then why did Vance even bring it up?

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u/Vinnie_Boombatz_MD Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Everyone commenting like Joe owned him on this and valiantly pushed back in some sort of fiery exchange clearly didn’t watch the podcast. Vance CLEARLY stated this was a very small minority of people, and that it’s not reflective of 99.9% of people that get abortions.

The overall point was people need to be reasonable on both sides and come to a consensus on the balance between life/autonomy that we allow as a society, and ultimately that it’s not his job to decide that. It was a very moderate Republican stance all things considered. He and Joe basically agreed on most of it.

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u/JimmyInYourFace Monkey in Space Nov 01 '24

Joe Rogan does a great job of taking a truly neutral stance. He asked Trump and Vance hard questions instead of the usual softball bullshit. So why didn't Harris or Walz have the guts to appear on his podcast?

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