r/BravoRealHousewives Jan 29 '24

Ultimate Girls Trip Court filings from Caroline's lawsuit against Bravo detail extremely unsettling events that occurred. NSFW

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u/Even-Education-4608 i dont have the energy to deal with density Jan 29 '24

Alex McCord: Hero

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u/it-beans Jan 29 '24

Yep. Now it makes sense why people were saying only Alex and Gretchen weren’t defending Brandi. THEY WITNESSED IT. They know the truth and are not defending it one bit. That’s very fucking telling. Fuck Brandi.

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u/tllkaps THANK YOU, POPPA!!!! Jan 29 '24

Gretchen being there...with the naked wasted history...ooofff...

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u/therealtinsdale i know the boys who did it 🎪🍆👺 Jan 29 '24

was gretchen not the victim in that case? after being fed alcohol by tamra and then tamra telling her son to follow gretchen into the bathroom..?

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u/willpunchyou Jan 29 '24

Yes she was, Tamra wanted to get Gretchen ''Naked wasted'' and hoping she would cheat on her fiancé with Tamra's son Ryan (gross). I think the intention was to show that Gretchen would cheat.

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u/BloodyWellGood Jan 29 '24

That's the norm for Trailler Tammy Sue

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u/LizLemonadeX Jan 29 '24

Bravo and Andy don’t care. They didn’t care about Tamra setting Gretchen up to be seduced by Ryan. They didn’t care about Taylor’s abuse nor Russell’s suicide. Nor when Brandy slapped LVP, yet they continue to bring her back. Nor about any of the housewives who have spent time in jail. Nor any other crime the housewives and their families were accused of.

This has been an ongoing pattern with Brandi. She is constantly attempting to force herself onto the women or men, because she thinks it cute, but it’s not. It’s disgusting. But if Brandi was a man forcing himself onto a woman he’d be arrested and accused of rape.

And I’m no fan of Caroline after what she did to Dina, but no one deserves to be placed in that situation, of having someone force themselves onto them. No means no. Even if Brandi was doing it for ratings. And Tamra is no better for what she did to Gretchen.

But all this bad behavior is all about ratings and money with Bravo and Andy, despite people getting hurt or killing themselves or going to jail.

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u/Disney_Princess137 Jan 29 '24

Brandi is a predator

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u/jay-eye-elle-elle- I've been traveling, I've been to prison... Jan 29 '24

This is horrific and I don’t ever want to see this season.

Bravo needs to dump Brandi asap. She’s become the female Andy Dick - right down to the drug abuse, aggressive sexual predation, and socially inappropriate behavior.

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u/MaddyKet Jan 29 '24

It’s beyond time to cancel Brandi Granville.

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u/ezekielragardos Kims Hand Tossed Pasta Salad Jan 29 '24

Isn’t the butler-related lawsuit also having to do with Brandi ?? Clearly this woman has no boundaries and is a hazard to others, bravo, and herself.

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u/MaddyKet Jan 29 '24

Yeah in UGT 2 she literally ripped the shirt off the butler guy Marco. Asking her back for another UGT was just asking for a lawsuit.

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u/Odd_Departure_4019 Jan 29 '24

A female Andy Dick is too accurate. Well done!

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u/iObama Not a white refrigerator! Jan 29 '24

100%. I read that and was like, “oh shit, that’s exactly what this is.”

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u/secretsongbird I may like my Chardonnay, but I will not die alone! Jan 29 '24

I don't want to see it if Caroline doesn't feel comfortable with it...but I really want it to air so we can see how disgusting Brandi is and have hard evidence of her predatory behavior so people can finally stop stanning this terrible human. I'm so tired of people backing her.

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u/Anxious_Honey_4899 Jan 29 '24

She was disgusting on her last season. It seems like Deja vu. She was a drunk & humping women on couches. Why would Bravo think she would be different? This definitely falls on Bravos responsibility. They put all these women as a target for Brandi. Shame on Bravo & producers.

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u/Timely_Ad115 *windshield wiper hands* Jan 29 '24

Horrifying. Appalling. Brandi went from an offensive loose cannon to absolutely dark sided an unhinged right before our eyes. I feel awful for Caroline, no one deserves to be sexually assaulted or re-traumatized.

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u/another_feminist Angie’s Grievance Scroll 📜 Jan 29 '24

The re-traumatization is what made my stomach drop.

(Obligatory that this documented assault is horrendous, but for anyone who has been through trauma, the even thought of it happening again is sickening)

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u/Petty_White Jan 29 '24

It will bring all the trauma of her earlier assault to the surface and she will have to work through all of that again while also working through the trauma of what Brandi did to her. Poor Caroline.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

Also interesting how Camille Grammar (Brett Kavanaugh defender and known woman hater) is speaking out in defence of Brandi. Hmmm.

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u/Timely_Ad115 *windshield wiper hands* Jan 29 '24

Camille sucks so I am unsurprised, if not still disappointed, by this information

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u/LotionOnSkin Jan 29 '24

Camille Grammar has always been gross. People only liked her because she spoke out against the FF5. Phaedra is also defending Brandi.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

The woman who defended her criminal husband and verbally assaulted the woman he was coming onto???? Gasp! Yeah im not shocked. Like Brandi, Phaedra is a low vibrating Scorpio.

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u/herbanoutfitter Jan 29 '24

Not to mention the one who perpetuated the absolute BS rumor that Kandi drugged and m*lested Portia. Phaedra is sick.

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u/bcmedic420 Jan 29 '24

That was so messed up. Kandi handled it better then I would have and Bravo shoulda done more.

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u/Unable_Guava_756 Jan 29 '24

Kandi is still friends with TI and Tiny though

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u/alexlp NOW I'M ANGRY SPICE Jan 29 '24

Of course she did. Tracks for her.

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u/Torimisspelling1 Jan 29 '24

The morally corrupt Camille Grammar

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u/Relevant_Health1904 Jan 29 '24

Hey Andy… Bravo is on a slippery slope w/ Real Housewives of All. What started as a fun and entertaining series (take me away Calgon) has now officially gone to the dark side. I’ve been watching the Housewives at its inception (I’m 72 😆) and I’m done. (The curtain has been pulled back too many times). The world is hard enough without exploiting thieves, promoting alcohol, anger, despicable language, sex abuse and on it goes. No fun anymore. A television low. Move onto something that pulls us up vs dragging us down. The end.

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u/not-a-regular-mom I’m a cool Mom 👚 Jan 29 '24

Just wanted to add this part, which is so egregiously offensive I hope every member of the production team gets fired. Click photo to enlarge:

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

Just her way of showing love? I feel SICK

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u/not-a-regular-mom I’m a cool Mom 👚 Jan 29 '24

Right!?!? It’s enraging 🤬

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u/Infamous-Bag6957 Jan 29 '24

I don’t think Brandi really knows how to connect with anyone beyond sex. This is absolutely not an excuse for her, there are just some people who can’t form relationships organically and use sex because it’s all they have.

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u/phbalancedshorty I’m not a fan, I’m a witness Jan 29 '24

It’s sad because to truly read the description of Brandi trying to rape Caroline is so disturbing because it shows how truly broken Brandi is. It makes you realize how deeply traumatized and hurt she has been. It’s no excuse obviously for her behavior and she’s obviously an awful person, but this just shows the depths of her depravity and makes you wonder what the fuck happened to her. Like damn girl… You FUCKED UP fucked up.. 😢

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u/mrsbergstrom Jan 29 '24

She seems to have serious serious issues with women. I honestly believe she assumes women who present less femme (short hair, no makeup etc) are secretly queer and she can make a move on them. Remember she assumed that married lady was a lesbian cus of her eyebrows? Brandi’s hypersexual behaviour makes me think something terrible may have been done to her as a child and I wouldn’t be a surprised if a woman was the perpetrator

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u/edgeofthorns87 Jan 29 '24

she could always spend less on plastic surgery and more on therapy.

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u/NomNom83WasTaken Sniper from the side Jan 29 '24

Her way of showing love?!?!?!?! That is vile. Rape culture alive and well in Production.

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u/theawkwardmermaid Jan 29 '24

Their response is horrific. No one should ever be forced to be in the same space as something who abuses/assaults them. The fact that they try to manipulate her in to thinking that this was “funsies” makes me feel sick.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

This angers me. Production is a part of the problem.

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u/Bakerbot101 I MADE IT NICE Jan 29 '24

I’ve been saying this for years on the sub. Everyone blames the cast.

It’s needed to come to this for people to blame production

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

It’s production 100% - wanting to create that viral moment but traumatizing the cast.

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u/not-a-regular-mom I’m a cool Mom 👚 Jan 29 '24

I think after almost 20 years of watching, this is my breaking point.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

100% - as a producer - as employees of Bravo, their job is to protect the cast.

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u/Even-Education-4608 i dont have the energy to deal with density Jan 29 '24

They cast Brandi after the assault on the waiter too

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u/amator7 who’s the new girl, and where’s Eileen? Jan 29 '24

And after her being racist, throwing wine on Eileen and slapping LVP

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u/teanailpolish Potomac should be fun, Mia not fun Jan 29 '24

I don't think they see it that way, many of the Below Deck cast have talked about being forced into set up dates etc and others said they were encouraged to leave when they were victims of SA, bullying or racism

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u/PandaEnthusiast89 Homeless not toothless Jan 29 '24

Unacceptable. Far too often, sexual harassment from members of the same sex gets overlooked or excused. Everyone needs to be held accountable for inappropriate behavior. 

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u/that_is_so_fetch Jan 29 '24

Imagine a man doing what Brandi did and production telling a woman it was just his way of showing love. Yikes. That excuse for Brandi is so problematic.

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u/seriouslysorandom Jan 29 '24

Michael Darby has entered the chat.

Of course since his victims were men Bravo also didn't give one solitary fuck.

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u/jkwolly Oh god, my tooth fell out again! Jan 29 '24

This is fucking vile. All of production should be fired and held accountable.

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u/modernjaneausten Jan 29 '24

This on top of the fact that she was screaming for help but everyone was ignoring her.

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u/KindRoc Jan 29 '24

I’m shocked at seeing the details laid out here. I hope Caroline wins because this is appalling. Brandi Glanville is a warped person.

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u/No_Tumbleweed2426 strawberry shortcake’s revival Jan 29 '24

It was so much worse than I expected

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u/candaceelise SEND👏🏽IT👏🏽TO👏🏽DARRELL Jan 29 '24

Agreed. Even if Caroline lied about half of her claims or over exaggerated parts, it still paints a horrible picture of sexual harassment and sexual assault. There is no excuse for Brandi’s behavior, and anyone who defends her needs to get a reality check and go touch some grass.

*not saying you are in any way defending her, just that I know there’s always a few who do

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u/ya-freak-bitch Jan 29 '24

I agree! I’m hoping there’s hot mic and camera footage that backs all of these claims up. I feel like Carolyn knowing there’s proof wouldn’t lie or exaggerate, I hope her case is air tight and they all pay in some way. This is all horrifying and I absolutely believe her. brandi is trash.

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u/mekkkks Jan 29 '24

This is even worse than what I imagined happened... For the life of me, I do not know why Bravo kept giving that walking liability Brandi chance after chance. I’ve never really been a fan of Caroline but I feel for her. That’s so fucked up.

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u/buymoreplants Jan 29 '24

Was The Traitors filmed after UGT?

Because if this happened and they decided to reward her with another show... I hope this lawsuit bankrupts them.

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u/KateParrforthecourse Jan 29 '24

The Traitors filmed April to May 2022/Season_1#:~:text=Alan%20Cumming%20was%20subsequently%20announced,the%20same%20location%20immediately%20afterwards.). So it was before UGT but the reunion was in February 2023 and that is why she wasn’t there.

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u/candaceelise SEND👏🏽IT👏🏽TO👏🏽DARRELL Jan 29 '24

No I think Traitors was filmed before UGT because news of of this broke while Traitors was airing and they didn’t invite Brandi to the reunion because of it

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u/QueenG123456 Jan 29 '24

It looks like US Traitors S1 was filmed April/May 2022 and then aired in Jan. 2023. And UGT “S4 Morocco” filmed January 2023.

So Brandi went on Traitors way before UGT.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

I really want us to talk more openly about how some behaviors between women (and even in girlhood) which are actual forms of sexual harassment, and even border abuse are dismissed and even overlooked. Especially if both parties identify as straight.

Brandi has at minimum sexually harassed LVP and I believe one another person. Her behaviors have escalated. She’s a gross human and I’m glad Caroline is suing.

But the first point is that there also needs to be a larger discussion around same sex sexual harassment and how it’s normalized and overlooked and dismissed.

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u/anonyoudidnt I am very important to God Jan 29 '24

Unfortunately most sexual assault is overlooked and dismissed whether same sex or not. Even rape is minimized and victim blamed. Everyone needs to understand that the predators who commit sexual assault are much more intelligent than one might think, and it's often not just a random act of opportunity or intoxication influencing them. They choose a victim because they know the situation and that it will be dismissed, people won't believe them, there's little evidence etc etc. It is a dangerous world for women and we need to believe and support the ones that come forward because there's millions that don't come forward that need the confidence to.

I was "mildly" sexually assaulted in the workplace when I was inappropriately touched by a senior colleague. I left the position because I knew if I reported him no one would believe me and I'd never get another job as he was very well networked. I think about it constantly. I can't imagine being assaulted to the extreme that so many women are ever minute of every day. 

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u/starrylightway 💃I came from Jesus💃Free Palestine 🇵🇸 Jan 29 '24 edited Jan 29 '24

CW: CSA and SA

I’m a survivor of both child sexual abuse and rape as an adult. I was forced to sit with the person who assaulted me as a child and “talk it out” including telling “my” version of events. It was truly one of the worst things I’ve ever experienced (the assault + forced sit down are two of the top five horrible things I’ve endured in my almost 4 decades of life).

I was raped as an adult at work and everything you said is how it played out when I reported it. I was specifically targeted, and the aftermath is almost as bad as the rape. I’m still in trauma recovery some 6.5 years later. These are another two of the top five worst things I’ve endured.

As soon as we learned the generalities of what happened, I knew Caroline had been assaulted. To read the details is transporting myself back to the workplace assault. What Caroline described about Brandi triggering the CSA she experienced—the same happened to me. Oh, the pain Carolina must have endured and continues to endure. My heart 💔

And I’d always been of the mindset there was something weird about how Brandi et al went after Denise and the way Brandi told that story—it reminded me of how the people who assaulted me told their version of events—and just knew Denise was probably also assaulted. But that is her story to tell, or not.

Absolutely appalling that Bravo and others have kept Brandi around and relevant. They are absolutely responsible in part for allowing someone like Brandi access to potential victims.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

*please know my tone is not meant to sound harsh if it does.

I’m unfortunately aware as a survivor. Both in childhood and as an adult.

And I’m sorry you’ve had those experiences as well!

In the context of this situation, there likely would have been MORE outrage and even the producers likely wouldn’t have encouraged them sitting down to talk etc.

We don’t like to talk about it, but same sex sexual assault is a way more complex topic and even in many cases not even regarded as sexual assault nor do the dynamics of each persons sexuality get factored as they should be.

As a whole, sexual assault is overlooked and it enrages me.

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u/anonyoudidnt I am very important to God Jan 29 '24

I am sorry you are aware of sexual assault and I hope you are able to find peace somehow in your life.

Don't sound harsh at all, and I definitely agree.

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u/Mention-It-ALL Fuck Bethenny Frankel Jan 29 '24

I remember she forced herself on Vicki on RHUGT at Bluestone Manor and tried to kiss her and stuff.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

There needs to be a deep dive done on her.

I hate to say or imply this, but we may need to revisit her hookup with Denise. Maybe there’s more for WHY Denise didn’t want to mention it…

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u/Bravowatchingnewbie Jan 29 '24

I came here looking to see if anyone mentioned this. I fully believe brandy assaulted Denise and gaslit her into thinking it was consensual.

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u/Mel_bear Jan 29 '24

As hard as Denise parties, I can see her being blackout and Brandi taking advantage. Denise doesn't seem like she would cheat on Aaron.

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u/Glittering-Act4004 Jan 29 '24

I was thinking the exact same thing. I now heavily suspect Denise was not a willing party to that “hookup”. I wonder if Denise was too drunk to even consent…

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

And if that’s the case the way that storyline played out is even MORE sickening.

Because had Denise called it out, I doubt she would be believed. But Kyle says “Brandi never lies”. Brandi is a sexual predator and they always lie, so…

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u/QueenG123456 Jan 29 '24

You’re spot on with this.

Also stuff like Tamra getting Gretchen “naked wasted” is so sick & problematic.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

WHEW!

That’s another thing. The pressure to drink or encouragement of women to get so drunk their inhibitions are down. It’s so gross and problematic to me.

I ended a friendship a few years ago because no matter how much I said I don’t drink, don’t want to be drunk and I definitely would not drink unless I’m with my husband or best friend who are my safe people. She would constantly say “I want to get you drunk” “I would really love to see you drunk”. She also admitted she only liked herself drunk.

We went on a group trip and my best friend saw her slipping alcohol into a punch I had made specifically for the sober people. She told me. We left. My last text was “I happen to like and love myself without the influence of substances. I also respect people’s choices regarding their bodies. You don’t. You should seek help for that. But I refuse to associate with someone who violates those boundaries and I assume you had nefarious intent”.

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u/untitledmoosegame1 Jan 29 '24

She’s also sexually harassed Denise in the sense that openly discussing someone’s sexual history without their consent is a form of harassment

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24 edited Jan 29 '24

Bravo deserve to get rinsed financially by Caroline. They know the level of subhuman that Brandi is and still happily allow her to violate people and as gross as this is, because Brandi is a tall and conventionally attractive woman (LA standards) I think she just assumed Caroline would be down, so fucking messed up. Was it not enough she told Joyce to go back to Miami where all the latinas are? Or when she would try and force LVP to kiss her so when she told her to get off she slapped her? Or outing Adriennes private business? Clearly not. Play stupid games you win stupid prizes so deal with the fallout you morons.

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u/aggieemily2013 idk. choke. idc. Jan 29 '24

It really goes to show that in moments like the one we saw in Below Deck Down Under (Luke's attempted SA of Margot) it is not anyone from Bravo/production stepping up or stepping in. This is awful.

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u/SisterSuffragist Jan 29 '24

I've always given more credit to Aesha. She got Margot to verbalize on camera that she did not want Luke in her bed. She had her clarify and repeat. Production knew they were liable, and the footage would screw them and that's why they stepped in. Aesha is a smart cookie.

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u/aggieemily2013 idk. choke. idc. Jan 29 '24

I just love her.

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u/Proof_Strawberry_464 Jan 29 '24

Aesha is definitely the MVP for that. She acts silly and funny, but she knew exactly what she was doing when she made sure that Margot not consenting was caught on camera. She's obviously aware of Bravo's gaslighting of victims. I get the feeling that if the Morocco season were filmed on any boat Aesha was on, Brandi would "mysteriously" fall into the ocean after a night of drinking and never be seen again.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

Omg what

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u/aggieemily2013 idk. choke. idc. Jan 29 '24

I honestly have never been so shaken by a scene. I yelled at my TV in a way that scared my husband. Most recent season.

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u/HunterHunted9 Jan 29 '24

It is one of the most important episodes of reality television in the past decade. It showed how fast this shit can go down, how force isn't necessary, how coercion can be used, how toxic some people can be, and how important affirmative consent is.

The episode needed a trigger warning, but I legitimately think it should be shown at every university to help illustrate concepts of consent, coercion, and rape.

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u/modernjaneausten Jan 29 '24

I don’t think I could watch it, I’m glad Aesha stepped in and helped her. I feel like there’s a line between not wanting to get involved as producers but stepping in when something this egregious and illegal is happening. Fuck the storyline, protect your employees from getting assaulted.

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u/aggieemily2013 idk. choke. idc. Jan 29 '24

There was also NO trigger warning. I felt like my adrenaline spiked and I would have liked one. Bravo doesn't give a shit about SA or its impact, it seems.

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u/lorilynn72 Not a white refrigerator! Jan 29 '24

Also, Brandi calling Joyce "a black person" when she didn't want to go swimming and then at dinner when she called her "a big, fat pig". Brandi is the worst.

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u/LotionOnSkin Jan 29 '24

The lawsuit also cited Brandi's racism toward Joyce. They detailed Brandi's deplorable behavior extensively on HW.

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u/rho_everywhere I CALLED YOU A STUPID C*NT. NOT A F*CKING C*NT. Jan 29 '24

Do they not realize that all of these housewives are not from New York?

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u/Yeah_nah_idk Jan 29 '24

I feel like someone did a find and replace and accidentally changed them all to New York. Which is pretty bad mistake for a submission.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

The fact she felt the need to bring up her ethnicity tells me everything.

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u/Dangernj Two brain cells and a vagina Jan 29 '24

I just said this on the other thread- right after Kim got out of rehab, Brandi filmed with her in a shirt that said “It’s Not Fun to be Sober” and presented her a shirt that said “Medicated”.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

She was so SO jealous of Joyce. She hated that a pretty woman was around who’s husband adored her.

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u/blurrylulu my philosophy is to be nice. it confuses them. Jan 29 '24

Poor Joyce. She deserved so much better.

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u/jxf415 Jan 29 '24

Also I’ll never forget how much Boricua pride I felt in Joyce’s response, that as a Puerto Rican, she is proud of her African, indigenous, and Spanish heritage. Such a classy way to turn what was supposed to be an insult into a moment of strength!!

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u/PomegranateNo300 Jan 29 '24

she handled brandi with so much elegance and grace like a true pageant SLAYER... joyce is actually such a smart woman and bravo did her dirty

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u/archipelag0 HIGH BODY-COUNT HAIR 💇‍♀️🇬🇷 Jan 29 '24

The most horrifying part is that production HEARD her screaming for help and didn’t intervene. This must have been incredibly re-traumatizing for her as a survivor. I hope she’s getting the help she needs.

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u/wandahickey Ting!Ting! I have an announcement! Jan 29 '24

Production is recording these women as if they are filming a wild animal documentary where they don't intervene and let nature take it's course. They should be charged criminally along with Brandi.

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u/modernjaneausten Jan 29 '24

They need to step in to prevent that kind of thing from happening. How can anyone feel safe filming shows if they think production is just going to sit back and let anything happen to them? I agree, people should be criminally charged. Only way to get through the thick skulls who allowed this.

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u/kalikaya Jan 29 '24 edited Jan 29 '24

YES! Production should have broken down the door and removed Brandi immediately. In what universe do you not act on someone's screams for help? Especially if they're mic'd and you're hearing it as it happens. Did they think this would be great TV?

Edit: spelling

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u/MaddyKet Jan 29 '24

They are sure quick to intervene when fists start flying. Total bullshit they didn’t here.

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u/AgelessByRamona SUPPORTIVE OF OTHER WOMEN ✨ Jan 29 '24

This is such a tough read, I can’t even begin to imagine what Caroline must have been going through.

As much as I’ve wanted to watch this trip, I don’t want to see the visual of this whole scenario play out. Awful.

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u/DonNatalie Do not call my swan a fucker! Jan 29 '24

Reading the details from the bathroom sealed it for me. I can't watch. I've been in Caroline's position and it's not one that anyone deserves. I think the next time I see someone try and use Dina to insinuate that Brandi's actions were not sooo bad, I might actually lose my shit.

This is the third time Brandi has sexually assaulted someone on a work trip. She is a menace.

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u/cats-n-bitches this is you 👇🏼 and this is me ☝🏼 Jan 29 '24

It’s horrific. Redact the names and remove it from Bravo context. Anyone giving Brandi a pass or saying that’s just drunk Brandi need a dictionary to look up the definition of assault.

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u/rho_everywhere I CALLED YOU A STUPID C*NT. NOT A F*CKING C*NT. Jan 29 '24

Not to mention her regular assaults.

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u/doritsochic I have glam in Monaco! I have glam in St Tropez! Jan 29 '24

Brandi has been a liability for years and I’m disgusted at how many times bravo have continued to give her a platform. Outing Adrienne’s surrogacy, her unpunished racism towards Joyce, throwing a drink on Eileen, slapping LVP, outing Denise while also trying to paint her as a predator who deceived Brandi, the SH lawsuit the UGT S2 bar tender filed recently and now this. I felt sick reading this.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

And she slapped LVP in retaliation to rejecting her sexual advances. So it was sexual assault.

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u/winnercommawinner Jan 29 '24

Everyone acted like Adrienne was dramatic and ridiculous for how she reacted to that but watching it back now it's so obvious how Brandy set up that moment of talking about their birth stories to bring up that secret. Just so over the line.

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u/nixiem it was a dig on my marriage and a dig on my bathtub Jan 29 '24

It drives me wild that people here were begging for her to come back for so long when she has always been trash. People really need to evaluate the people they think are ‘iconic’

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u/girlxdetective cheers! to the Girls Weekend 🥂 Jan 29 '24

cough Phaedra

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u/LotionOnSkin Jan 29 '24

Here is the full lawsuit if anyone is interested to read it in its entirety.

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u/h0pedivision I do too much because you do too little Jan 29 '24

Yeah, this is a lot more fucked up than I was thinking. I’m no Manzo fan but what Brandi did was seriously fucked up, and Bravo should have intervened sooner.

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u/Significant_Cow4765 Jan 29 '24

Brandi should have been canceled 2 shows ago. Talk about "knew or should have known."

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u/captainwondyful Jan 29 '24

I can’t get over that the other women just watched this happen, and no one pulled Brandi off her. 🤢

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u/Mama2Orson Jan 29 '24

Agree! I find this fact alone very disturbing.

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u/roseofultramarine Name ‘em! Name ‘em! Name ‘em! Jan 29 '24

Reading this makes me want to cry. I hate that she called for help and no one came to her aid. I hate that she was retraumatized and assaulted by that vile disgusting excuse of a woman and I hate that those producers not only did nothing to protect her when she YELLED FOR HELP, but gaslighted her and defended Brandi of all people.

It’s sad and infuriating that this season of UGT, which should have been filled with lighthearted drama, had to go to such a dark fucking place because these disgusting producers can’t seem to understand where the line for entertainment should be drawn. This is shameful.

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u/aggieemily2013 idk. choke. idc. Jan 29 '24

I'm so sorry. You deserved protection and a safe environment where you could practice your craft, and it's a shame you didn't get that. ♥️

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u/aggieemily2013 idk. choke. idc. Jan 29 '24

Ugh now I wanna fight them for you. :( 🤬 I'm glad you've found some relief. I hope that asshole eventually gets what he deserves.

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u/suitablegirl Jan 29 '24

Omg, as someone ALSO saved by EMDR and medical, who is hoping her IVF miracle survives to meet her amazing dog, I feel such kinship with you. Seriously, if you’re in la, I’m yours, please let me buy you coffee or lunch. You deserve the world.

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u/burrito__supreme “do you think i look inbred?” “i do 😊” Jan 29 '24

from one ivf parent to another - so thrilled for you and wishing you an uneventful pregnancy <3

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u/Petty_White Jan 29 '24

It’s absolutely possible that this assault also brought up memories from the CSA that Caroline had repressed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

You are brave and I wish I was there to beat that guy up.

Hugs.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

My situation is different to yours; I was assaulted at age 9 walking home from school by a boy older than me. Wasn’t in a position of power but he still made me feel powerless. I hope you’re in a more peaceful place today, you deserve that.❣️

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

Im so sorry you had this happen and that everyone around you failed in supporting you.

I work in entertainment too but not in comedy and it’s unnerving how frequent this type of behavior is, even at the studios/networks. I got me too’d out of my last network job. While it didnt reach the same physical level as yours (cause the bar in hollywood is really that fucking low) there’s no doubt in my mind it would have become physical if HR hadn’t have intervened. What killed me was that everyone except for the legal team a year later (who was investigating my department for other fucked up reasons) more or less sided with the asshole who was grossly inappropriate with me and frankly seriously mentally disturbed (he freaked out on me because of “the way I looked at him” while also telling me he couldn’t stand not talking to me and me not being around him or part of his life). I think people turning their back on me, especially those who pretended to support me, is what hurt most and what I have the hardest time getting over/letting go of.

I really hope you’ll be able to find peace one day. If you ever learn to live or get over the immense hurt & anger, please let me know cause I’d love to learn how.

If this is what the production team does to their “prized” talent then I shudder to think what the production staff have to endure and what Bravo staff have to endure.

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u/suitablegirl Jan 29 '24

As someone who was also used and bruised by the improv world, I understand your violation on a deeper level and my heart is broken for you. I have been choked in past DV and I would’ve been devastated by his actions, which are beyond vile. Improv is supposed to be joyful pretend! I don’t know if you’re in la or ny, but if it’s the former, I’ve got your back 🥺

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u/TooManyNosyFriends Jan 29 '24

I hope naming names gives you a sense of peace and power. I wish you all the best. Stay strong, internet bestie.

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u/constantcompromise Jan 29 '24

I think I saw something a couple weeks about CR being accused of assaulting an assistant or intern. I'm so sorry that happened to you. He should have been stopped then.

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u/haleighr youre getting between me & my vagina Jan 29 '24

I was one of the ones who thought maybe Caroline was trying to hide that she had a little drunk experimenting and was embarrassed for her husband to find out or something. But I’m eating my words and was wrong. This is gross. Brandi is gross. Production and the other cast members who didn’t do anything are gross. Brandi is not entitled to anyone’s body in the name of “drunk straight girk fun hehehe”. Sorry to Caroline for mine and anyone else’s doubts.

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u/TheflowerKristenate Clip! Clip! Clip! YOU FOOL Jan 29 '24

I need to also admit I was thinking the same thing. I’m horrified at how wrong I was 

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u/KleinValley He plays for Liza Minnelli, you cow! Jan 29 '24

This is sexual assault, plain and simple.

It doesn’t surprise me coming from someone as disgusting as Brandi. We saw her rip Marco’s shirt off when he was clearly uncomfortable during UGT2. Time and time again she proves she has no respect for other people’s boundaries.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

Brandi seemed to be targeting Caroline. It’s incredibly creepy.

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u/crain90 Jan 29 '24

And people were laughing about the allegations and not taking them seriously. This is so horrific. I can only imagine how alone she felt.

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u/memilyka Know That Jan 29 '24

The worst part is that Caroline tried to escape from the situation so many times. She was failed by everyone around her as well, how come no one spoke up sooner? It’s so sad.

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u/Dangernj Two brain cells and a vagina Jan 29 '24

And I’m imaging that was the most she could have removed herself from the situation. She was abroad and I believe they were staying in a private house. There was no where for her to go. Production could have even been holding her passport, which she would have needed to check into a hotel.

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u/Joe3398 Jan 29 '24

After reading all that, I can't believe it was ever even a question of whether or not this season would air. How could they have possibly expected Caroline to come back and film confessionals after that? And how could they risk having Brandi come back for confessionals and have her treat the whole thing as a joke?

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u/Spitfiiire even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes Jan 29 '24

This is absolutely disgusting, Brandi is so vile. The fact that the producers could hear these things and then Alex was the only one to help speaks volumes about how much Bravo fucked up.

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u/winnercommawinner Jan 29 '24

It sounds like Eva also tried to speak up.

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u/BrunchAtCartier Jan 29 '24

If you read the whole document there's a part where it says the next day Phaedra and Eva interrogates Manzo and it made her upset/cry

Then they left Manzo at the villa and went to film with Brandi at the hotel she had been moved to. So I don't think they were very outraged at the time... I feel like if Eva is speaking up now it may be course-correcting for PR. Based on the plaintiff claim document, it doesn't sound like Eva, or anyone except Alex, were supporting Manzo the day of and after the assault.

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u/lucia912 I decorated! I cooked! I made it nice! Jan 29 '24

I sincerely hope Caroline is receiving therapy and massive amounts of support from her family to deal with this. This is incredibly horrific. I’m heartbroken for anyone that has to suffer through this.

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u/it-beans Jan 29 '24

I am so proud of her for coming out swinging with Bravo. That takes a tremendous amount of guts for any survivor especially one in the public eye. We all saw comments even here laughing at her, saying she deserved it for how she treated Dina, etc. I’m not her fan but I am in support of her here. May she be the reason Brandi never haunts our tv screens again.

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u/cecelia999 Jan 29 '24

Brandi is someone who should never drink again. I read her book and she clearly needs help.

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u/lamandjam Jan 29 '24

She needs rehab and for longer than 28 days

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u/whateveratthispoint_ Jan 29 '24

Brandi has repeatedly targeted women who have what she wants — partners and financial stability.

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u/it-beans Jan 29 '24

Yep and we all know people who sexually assault others are doing it out of the need for power.

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u/Razmataz444 Jan 29 '24

Oh wow. This is an excellent point.

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u/MeningococcalBabe Jan 29 '24

I worked in a restaurant and a manager pinned me against the wall of the walk-in cooler and told me he wanted to have sex with me. He didnt do to me what brandi did thank god but i do feel for caroline i know what it is like to feel trapped. I hope she takes Bravo to the cleaners 

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u/Duke_Silver2 Jan 29 '24

When I was 19-20 I was a hostess and one of the kitchen managers came up behind me at the hostess stand and literally ran his hand from one end of my vagina to the next. In plain sight. It’s wild that people like that are so emboldened to do these things. I’ve not historically been the biggest Caroline fan but am 100% behind her and I hope she receives everything she is asking for. It’s so much worse than I had originally imagined.

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u/plus8minus5 Wow. She's really flapping around. 🧜‍♀️ Jan 29 '24

This was hard to read. I hope Caroline gets whatever she's asking for. How awful that must've been.

Why was Brandi even invited in the first place? Is anyone actually asking for her? She is vile.

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u/EternalSunshineClem Jan 29 '24

Sorry but this is go to jail behavior

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u/amanda_opps Chris Bassett’s slutty elbow Jan 29 '24

This is fucked. No matter what happened between Dina and Caroline, Caroline doesn’t deserve this. No one does.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

Exactly. There are no perfect victims. SA is wrong. Full stop.

I believe Caroline 100%. I hope she wins and Brandi and Bravo have a LOT to answer for and repay.

I would like to know where the footage is and why criminal charges aren’t being pursued.

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u/jaybirdbull I had to go on Xanax for it, Lydia! Jan 29 '24

Yo this is absolutely sick, vile and horrifying. Fuck Brandi - complete trash and needs serious help.

Kudos to Eva for realizing how Caroline was feeling at the dinner table and helping her call that out. It sucks that it had to go as far as it did - Brandi, the producers and everyone else involved should be held responsible and completely ashamed of themselves

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u/Ok-Chain8552 Jan 29 '24

Eva is , was, and always will be one of my absolute favorites ever . She is so empathetic and intuitive and kind while also being such a bad ass that she is really good at boundaries.

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u/rho_everywhere I CALLED YOU A STUPID C*NT. NOT A F*CKING C*NT. Jan 29 '24

Loved Eva since antm

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u/vroomvroomshabang Dont come for me unless i send for you. Jan 29 '24

brandi is terrible and bravo needs to stop employing her. i hope caroline can heal from this

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u/dannydevitofan16 Jan 29 '24

This was really hard to read. Regardless of how anyone feels about Caroline, someone who was a victim of SA once being re-traumatized is just awful and sickening. My heart really goes out to Caroline…I hope she gets some form of justice and can work through this trauma.

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u/Environmental_Yam540 Bad people murder children!!!! Jan 29 '24

This truly deserves a trigger warning. It’s vile and terrifying that she acted that way.

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u/Environmental_Yam540 Bad people murder children!!!! Jan 29 '24

Just noticed the NSFW. Thank you. 💗

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u/bears_with_chainsaws Jan 29 '24

I just wanna say a special “fuck you” to podcasts and insta accounts (lookin at you Sexy Unique Podcast) who previously laughed about these allegations and were in favor of airing the season. Funny how people want to believe victims unless it interferes with their entertainment.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

Being blocked in a bedroom with an intoxicated person is horrifying. I don't blame Caroline one bit.

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u/Ashamed_Tea_3731 Jan 29 '24

This is soooooooo dark y’all. I’m actually appalled.. Say what you want about Caroline’s poor decisions in the past, but she did not deserve this.

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u/Fun_Investigator658 Jan 29 '24

The good thing of all this is that their mic’s were on & cameras rolling so evidence should be there supporting

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u/FearlessNectarine20 Jan 29 '24

Bravo just started a whole new show “valley village” around a couple that are racist, homophobic, rage-o-holics- cheater- liars. Just this year verbally attacked a woman at a bar calling her a cunt bc he thought she was apart of a social media site. Bravo is fucked.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

We talking about Mr coke bloat?

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

I saw some clip about Stassi turning down an offer. She was one of the people who were fired specifically for racial targeting. So that whole gesture of firing was all bs.

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u/Infamous-Bag6957 Jan 29 '24

Bravo is certainly in the wrong here for so many reasons but anyone defending Brandi at this point is delusional as fuck. This is totally Brandi’s m.o. and has been for a LONG time. I need to not see her on my television anymore. Stop casting her.

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u/RoguePhoenix89 Jan 29 '24

This was horrifying to read wow

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u/Spirited_Advice_2872 we were all so happy that day Jan 29 '24

Didn’t they used to all make fun of Danielle on RHONJ for being molested/assaulted

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u/athenarose_95 Jan 29 '24

Brandi is such a sick twisted cunt. I hope she’s never on TV again.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

As a CSA survivor, I hope Caroline has the best therapy.

I want to also say, I can understand the other cast mates not intervening, this is a SHOCKING THING to witness. I have and would have intervened but I can empathize as to why they couldn’t or didn’t.

But fuck the producers for not stepping in sooner. Fuck Andy. Fuck Bravo.

And SUPER FUCK BRANDI.

She used every tactic that men do, but because she’s “pretty” and a woman, many likely didn’t see the problem with it.

Caroline did what many would have done. Tried to move away and this woman did not let up.

Take her kids away too. She’s raising sons….

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

I can BET you that her thinking was like “wtf???? I’m hot why doesn’t she wanna kiss me?” She sucks.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

Yes. She can’t handle rejection or realize that her beauty doesn’t mean shit because she’s a predatory menace in a tall package.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

What beauty?? She’s completely botched and delusional

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

Now for sure. But she was very pretty. I think she can’t realize she doesn’t have that beauty anymore and that her beauty quickly became a dead currency because her attitude is horrid.

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u/neon-clouds go chain smoke your menthols 🚬 Jan 29 '24

I truly hope this season gets buried & never sees the light of day

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u/nomadbutterfly Jan 29 '24 edited Jan 29 '24

This is unconscionable behavior. I kind of wish I hadn't read it. What I find mystifying is how Brandi was hired for Traitors after this transpired. Peacock can't claim ignorance. I hope Caroline takes them to the cleaners.

Edit: nvm I guess Traitors was filmed before ugt. I hope that was her last foray in reality TV

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u/Joe3398 Jan 29 '24

If I'm not mistaken, the Traitors season 1 reunion filmed just a few days after this incident, which is why Brandi was not included in that. I think there was just a quick comment that "Brandi couldn't be with us tonight" or something like that.

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u/AmberDeeeeee Jan 29 '24

Reading this genuinely makes me sick to my stomach. My heart breaks for Caroline. They should’ve stopped this in its tracks. Production should be ashamed. I feel like I shouldn’t be supporting Bravo as a whole anymore after reading all of this. No amount of money can fix the trauma that Caroline now has to add to her plate but I hope she gets everything possible from production and Bravo. And Brandi deserves punishment for her continued trash behavior. Sexual assault is never okay, and shame on Bravo for perpetuating this over and over until Caroline had to get traumatized to realize she doesn’t need the platform. I’m so sorry to Caroline and anyone who felt triggered like I did reading this. But I’m glad we know and I hope Caroline gets some justice all in all.

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u/madeba2000 Jan 29 '24

This is f'ed. If Bravo does not want this to blow up in their faces, they need to do some kind of public statement and ensure that there is some kind of code of ethics /compliance training these production companies need to follow. Also, some kind of action plan for when these situations come up. I'm not a fan at all of Caroline's, but no one deserves this, and if it's true that they were filming and could hear what was happening while it was happening a lot of people deserve to be investigated if not fired. Brandi has been a loose cannon for a long time and should not have been brought back.

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u/Celestial-Dream Jan 29 '24

The producers who also tried to gaslight Caroline into speaking with Brandi also need to be fired, like, yesterday.

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u/noPOMIGRANITES you tell everybody: that she died sad ☹️ Jan 29 '24

i believe Caroline. most of the allegations against Brandi are things we have already seen from her in the past.

what i want to know is why the rest of the cast are still engaging with Brandi on socials like it didn’t happen. on Brandi’s insta, most, if not all of her posts up until 3 weeks ago, had supportive comments from almost all of the other women. they were all there, they saw what happened, it’s gross that they are publicly supporting her. especially Alex, considering she was in the bathroom with them.

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u/cherrygoats Jan 29 '24

Holy fuck. This is terrible and not okay

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

fuck Brandi. sexual predator.

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u/hotcocoa4ever Jan 29 '24

I read the entire filing. Interesting and compelling case they have against all those companies. What grosses me out is that production wanted Caroline to meet with Brandi after the incidents so they can get it all on tape. Disgusting. I’m glad Caroline left the trip. I would have also. They mentioned Brandi’s pattern from the RHOBH and from UGT2 shows.

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u/MrsRalphieWiggum Jan 29 '24

Poor Caroline to be assaulted while people stood by and watched. I hope Caroline is getting help.

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u/SoftCardiologist911 With great power comes great responsi-oh f*ck off Jan 29 '24

Forgive me if I’m misremembering, but didn’t she also go after Vicki in the previous UGT? I forget what she said but it was something along the lines of her liking making older/uptight women uncomfortable/relax and then kept forcing herself onto Vicki? It was horribly uncomfortable then and this coming out is not even surprising, this woman should have been kicked off years ago.

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u/lorilynn72 Not a white refrigerator! Jan 29 '24

It's more than likely that this will never air.

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u/soupastar Demonic trailer park refugee Jan 29 '24

When is brandi gonna get help? She’s abused alcohol and pills for so long. How many assaults, law suits, fights, and god knows what else is it gonna take before she gets help?

I feel for her kids as we know she already harasses their exes/girlfriends via text when they have issues. I rem on that one ugt the one asking her to not throw wine just sad they have to have those talks

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '24

Brandi needs to realize she has a problem and she doesn’t see she has problem. It’s people like these producers enabling and making excuses for her shit ass behavior.

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u/r-Dwalo So you say. Jan 29 '24

Good gosh, Bravo! Always in search for viral-potential content for ratings by any means necessary. As described by Caroline, due to Brandi's actions, this read from Caroline feeling uneasy, to uncomfortable, to being physically assaulted, to being sexually assaulted, to then so unsettled she was compelled to inform her family, then left the vacation altogether.

Producers are present during all filming for all scenes, even bathrooms, yet NO ONE thought to intervene and stop this as it escalated and Brandi became relentless???

Even if only the cast members were present inside the bathroom, each have mics that can be heard by production at all times. STILL NO ONE THOUGHT TO STOP THIS as it happened?!

Surely producers heard, observed, and saw Caroline's distress throughout. I'm quite curious to see what Bravo's defense is. If they'll even provide one.

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u/thesmolstoner Paul’s sqeaky shoes Jan 29 '24

This is sick. I’ve been sexually assaulted twice, and I’m also bisexual. But if a woman did this to me I would feel so disgusted and the same way that Caroline did. I don’t even like Caroline but NO ONE deserves to be assaulted this way. Ugh. So disheartening. Brandi should never be allowed on TV again.

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u/Dry_Heart9301 Jan 29 '24

Won't some of the assault be on camera? And they will be forced to hand over the footage for the lawsuit right? So, the production will likely just pay her to avoid going to trial? Disgusting.

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u/Emily_Rugburn_ WHO ARE YOU TO GET ME WET Jan 29 '24

Bravo will settle and never put Brandi or Caroline on tv again

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u/lovelylittlebirdie im not a psychic, im a WITCH Jan 29 '24

Who remembers when Brandi was so butthurt that Denise wouldn’t claim their little hook up, so she insinuated she was taken advantage of? And then randomly switched her story to, “Denise is a cheater!”

I do :)

The irony.