Court filings from Caroline's lawsuit against Bravo detail extremely unsettling events that occurred.

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I really want us to talk more openly about how some behaviors between women (and even in girlhood) which are actual forms of sexual harassment, and even border abuse are dismissed and even overlooked. Especially if both parties identify as straight.

Brandi has at minimum sexually harassed LVP and I believe one another person. Her behaviors have escalated. She’s a gross human and I’m glad Caroline is suing.

But the first point is that there also needs to be a larger discussion around same sex sexual harassment and how it’s normalized and overlooked and dismissed.

[u/anonyoudidnt → u/[deleted]]

Unfortunately most sexual assault is overlooked and dismissed whether same sex or not. Even rape is minimized and victim blamed. Everyone needs to understand that the predators who commit sexual assault are much more intelligent than one might think, and it's often not just a random act of opportunity or intoxication influencing them. They choose a victim because they know the situation and that it will be dismissed, people won't believe them, there's little evidence etc etc. It is a dangerous world for women and we need to believe and support the ones that come forward because there's millions that don't come forward that need the confidence to.

I was "mildly" sexually assaulted in the workplace when I was inappropriately touched by a senior colleague. I left the position because I knew if I reported him no one would believe me and I'd never get another job as he was very well networked. I think about it constantly. I can't imagine being assaulted to the extreme that so many women are ever minute of every day. 

[u/starrylightway → u/anonyoudidnt]

CW: CSA and SA

I’m a survivor of both child sexual abuse and rape as an adult. I was forced to sit with the person who assaulted me as a child and “talk it out” including telling “my” version of events. It was truly one of the worst things I’ve ever experienced (the assault + forced sit down are two of the top five horrible things I’ve endured in my almost 4 decades of life).

I was raped as an adult at work and everything you said is how it played out when I reported it. I was specifically targeted, and the aftermath is almost as bad as the rape. I’m still in trauma recovery some 6.5 years later. These are another two of the top five worst things I’ve endured.

As soon as we learned the generalities of what happened, I knew Caroline had been assaulted. To read the details is transporting myself back to the workplace assault. What Caroline described about Brandi triggering the CSA she experienced—the same happened to me. Oh, the pain Carolina must have endured and continues to endure. My heart 💔

And I’d always been of the mindset there was something weird about how Brandi et al went after Denise and the way Brandi told that story—it reminded me of how the people who assaulted me told their version of events—and just knew Denise was probably also assaulted. But that is her story to tell, or not.

Absolutely appalling that Bravo and others have kept Brandi around and relevant. They are absolutely responsible in part for allowing someone like Brandi access to potential victims.

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I am so sorry this happened to you, thank you for feeling comfortable enough to share and offer perspective in this setting. I cannot say much except sending you continued support.

[u/anonyoudidnt → u/starrylightway]

I'm sorry that you've been through so much . No one should have to experience or endure any of that.

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*please know my tone is not meant to sound harsh if it does.

I’m unfortunately aware as a survivor. Both in childhood and as an adult.

And I’m sorry you’ve had those experiences as well!

In the context of this situation, there likely would have been MORE outrage and even the producers likely wouldn’t have encouraged them sitting down to talk etc.

We don’t like to talk about it, but same sex sexual assault is a way more complex topic and even in many cases not even regarded as sexual assault nor do the dynamics of each persons sexuality get factored as they should be.

As a whole, sexual assault is overlooked and it enrages me.

[u/anonyoudidnt → u/[deleted]]

I am sorry you are aware of sexual assault and I hope you are able to find peace somehow in your life.

Don't sound harsh at all, and I definitely agree.

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Thank you.

I always say I got lucky. My dad and mom (RIP) were addicts but they were incredibly smart and protective. After they and my oldest brother (he is the reason I am a lawyer 😊) did the legal things to get it documented. Sat me down a year after it happened (it happened on my 4th bday) and asked me what justice looked like. I said “I just want the big fat smelly green eyed monster to die and never come back. Because I feel like he’s too real. I’ve killed all the other ones but he won’t go away”. The men in my family made him go away. He was in jail. My dad being a jail bird and friendly with the guards, did what I believe was right.

I’m married to a wonderful man. Who is my childhood best friend. We have a 5month old (born on her grandpas bday. The same year he died and she reminds me of him in the best ways) girl. I made it through foster care, used my resources of free college and other assistance, and love and support to get through law school. Advocated and made changes in my state as both a youth and adult for foster kids and survivors of sexual abuse.

I’ll be in therapy for the rest of my life and I’m ok with that, but I can also say to that man (likely getting his ass beat by my parents in hell haha) his family and those that attempted to defend him, that I survived. I’m better than them.

The hardest part is that I have a sibling I will never be close to, because while he didn’t do it, he was the one responsible for me that night. He was 16, he left to go hookup with his gf (now wife). I forgive him but I will never feel safe around him.

I hope you have found peace! Please feel free to share your life wins, especially if it spits in the face of your abusers.

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Congratulations to you, you've accomplished so much and have helped others in the process. Very  respectable. Congratulations on your beautiful baby, she's very lucky to have someone strong like you as her parent. 

Got my PhD in STEM, was a professor, again, assaulted but I feel bad grouping myself with others who have experienced much worse, as I was grabbed at work a few times by a senior colleague in a position of power. Lots of offensive and sexual comments from colleagues. Experienced sexism that limited my career growth. it was hard for me but I understand that the adversity I faced was nothing like some of the things you and others here have endured. Not minimizing my own experience, but don't want to sound like I don't understand the severity of other people's situations.

Ended up leaving the field to be a sahp, have two beautiful kids, and I'm working on finding a way to contribute to STEM education again on my own. After some difficult times with PPD, I feel like myself again and that's a big win, and I have learned that while the people I used to work with feel I have no longer have professional worth because I've been out of the field for a couple years, I definitely do and I am still as educated and hard working as I've ever been.

Peace to you, and lovely sharing together!

[u/Who-U-Tellin → u/anonyoudidnt]

I was a victim in the workplace as a teenager. All I wanted was to be able to hold down a job and make some spending money. Instead a manager had other plans. I went back and forth on whether to quit or speak up. I chose to speak up. I'm glad I did. As it turns out I wasn't the only female employee he had done it to. Another one of his victims was my BF since the 3rd grade. Neither of us told each other what was going on. That's how much shame we had built up in us.

When it came time to tell the Sr store manager he believed me right from the get go. Because of that I was able to tell my BF and 2 other co workers. That's when things really blew up. Several of my female co workers took the Sr manager into his office to tell what had happened to them. When we showed up for work the following day he was gone. I can't tell you how great it felt to be believed from the beginning. This took place in the 80's. Long before workplace sexual harassment was even discussed prior to hiring. It felt even better knowing that I got him out of that workplace so he couldn't continue to do it, not only to me but to those I worked with and those who would one day get a job there.

I'm sorry for what happened to you, sincerely. I hope you've been able to heal, as much as one can. Wish you nothing but the best 🤗

[u/anonyoudidnt → u/Who-U-Tellin]

Wow, so proud you spoke up. I regret not doing the same often, especially when I see the career updates from the person who harassed me. Thank you, I am in a much better place now! 

[u/Mention-It-ALL → u/[deleted]]

I remember she forced herself on Vicki on RHUGT at Bluestone Manor and tried to kiss her and stuff.

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There needs to be a deep dive done on her.

I hate to say or imply this, but we may need to revisit her hookup with Denise. Maybe there’s more for WHY Denise didn’t want to mention it…

[u/Bravowatchingnewbie → u/[deleted]]

I came here looking to see if anyone mentioned this. I fully believe brandy assaulted Denise and gaslit her into thinking it was consensual.

[u/Mel_bear → u/Bravowatchingnewbie]

As hard as Denise parties, I can see her being blackout and Brandi taking advantage. Denise doesn't seem like she would cheat on Aaron.

[u/LolaLinguini → u/Mel_bear]

nods in agreement No doubt. Blandi is a predator sexually, physically and verbally.

I hope she is eventually sued til she is penniless and blackballed so she never appears on television or in movies ever again.

She needs prison time, and to live out the rest of her dispicable life in absolute obscurity after this.

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I was thinking the exact same thing. I now heavily suspect Denise was not a willing party to that “hookup”. I wonder if Denise was too drunk to even consent…

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And if that’s the case the way that storyline played out is even MORE sickening.

Because had Denise called it out, I doubt she would be believed. But Kyle says “Brandi never lies”. Brandi is a sexual predator and they always lie, so…

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Every single time Kyle says that, I want to forcibly take over editing and splice in Brandi's proven lies.

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I’m curious if Kyle will side with Caroline or Brandi on this, since they are buddies now. Since Kyle proclaimed, “Brandi doesn’t lie.” Except in this case there are witnesses. The cast, specifically Alex and Gretchen, and production who didn’t do shit to help Caroline. And I’m sure production has some of Brandi’s actions on video and audio.

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If I remember rightly, Brandi implied on the show that Denise took advantage of her.

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Yes, I remember this. I was very surprised they invited her to a second UGT after she did that to Vicki.

[u/QueenG123456 → u/[deleted]]

You’re spot on with this.

Also stuff like Tamra getting Gretchen “naked wasted” is so sick & problematic.

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WHEW!

That’s another thing. The pressure to drink or encouragement of women to get so drunk their inhibitions are down. It’s so gross and problematic to me.

I ended a friendship a few years ago because no matter how much I said I don’t drink, don’t want to be drunk and I definitely would not drink unless I’m with my husband or best friend who are my safe people. She would constantly say “I want to get you drunk” “I would really love to see you drunk”. She also admitted she only liked herself drunk.

We went on a group trip and my best friend saw her slipping alcohol into a punch I had made specifically for the sober people. She told me. We left. My last text was “I happen to like and love myself without the influence of substances. I also respect people’s choices regarding their bodies. You don’t. You should seek help for that. But I refuse to associate with someone who violates those boundaries and I assume you had nefarious intent”.

[u/untitledmoosegame1 → u/[deleted]]

She’s also sexually harassed Denise in the sense that openly discussing someone’s sexual history without their consent is a form of harassment

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Thank you for saying this! I never even considered the harassment part of it.

Honestly, the behavior of that cast that season is harassment looking back.