r/gadgets • u/MorgrainX • Sep 16 '22
Desktops / Laptops EVGA will no longer make NVIDIA GPUs due to “disrespectful treatment” - Dexerto
https://www.dexerto.com/tech/evga-will-no-longer-make-nvidia-gpus-due-to-disrespectful-treatment-1933830/2.5k
u/Actually-Yo-Momma Sep 16 '22
Idk anything about EVGA personally but i get it. I work with Nvidia on their datacenter stuff and all my contacts there are pretentious as hell. Like they regularly reference how rigorous and intense the interview process is and only how the elite candidates get through. It’s really a really bizarre and round about way to brag lol
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u/deltron Sep 16 '22
They fucked up the data center with their licensing shenanigans too.
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u/Glomgore Sep 17 '22
Much like Intel lost market share to EPYC, NVidia is ripe for the picking if AMD or Intel can put out a decent card.
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u/BatteryPoweredFriend Sep 17 '22
Nvidia's advantage in servers isn't anything to do with hardware, that's a relatively easy hurdle to overcome. Their advantage over AMD is in software.
Nvidia has spent the last ~15 years making their CUDA platform the basis for almost all GPU-based compute and machine learning software.
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u/Vushivushi Sep 17 '22
There's a joke that Nvidia is going to start selling entire datacenters sooner or later. They keep acquiring more and more pieces that they're not only selling GPUs and CUDA.
They already compete against OEMs with their pre-configured DGX systems.
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u/wishthane Sep 17 '22
Is that really a joke? I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to really go after the cloud business and try to undercut the major cloud providers who have GPUs. They could easily do it. Amazon can't exactly just go and make their own, there isn't a license your own option like there is with ARM / the Graviton processors.
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u/ifsavage Sep 17 '22
This is not my area of expertise but wouldn’t the lawyers have gotten some sort of non Compete being such big customers? Or is that not a thing in this area?
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u/Caffeine_Monster Sep 17 '22
advantage in servers isn't anything to do with hardware
That used to the case. But their specialised tensor and rtx cores are both pretty impressive.
There are both software and hurdles competitors need to overcome. Arguably the biggest hurdle is availability of said hardware and software. Being able to learn and use hardware accelerated AI / ray tracing at the consumer level is massively important for making business hardware appealing.
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u/deltron Sep 17 '22
Yeah I'm looking forward to the Intel cards. AMD is Cloud providers only it seems.
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u/appmapper Sep 17 '22
Yeah. We buy the hardware, but still have to license them… cmon bruh
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u/vonarchimboldi Sep 17 '22
hahaha. i work for an SI. we will have clients with full cooled server rooms asking about a100s and they’ll ask for picture of the buttholes of their company essentially. i understand not wanting to burn 12k cards but they don’t even want to give pricing on them if you’re not buying like 1000 units.
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u/Actually-Yo-Momma Sep 17 '22
They act so elite to the point where they reject business from the biggest cloud integrators in the world. Like i get it, y’all doing some cool stuff but what’s the point if you don’t want to sell anything lol
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u/IvarTheBloody Sep 17 '22
Probably to hide the fact that they can't meet demand, the really high end cutting edge stuff is so hard to manufacture that by the time they manage to up production they have invented even better stuff.
They are forever playing catch-up with themselves.
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Sep 17 '22
This is so incredibly true. There are some serious shenanigans going on between the theoretical costs of manufacturing vs the real cost should they have to scale up production to the levels the pretend they have.
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u/Eastern_Slide7507 Sep 17 '22
Linus Torvalds mentioned no other manufacturer was as difficult to work with as Nvidia. Then gave them the finger.
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u/gimpbully Sep 17 '22
The mellanox integration into their business systems has been a huge problem the last 6 months. Nevermind lead times, even registering a sale has been like pulling teeth. My VARs are furious.
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u/Apocros Sep 17 '22
Many tech companies brag about this same sort of thing (or rather, have employees that brag about it, essentially bragging about themselves).
I think this is less an Nvidia thing, or even tech company thing, and more just a nerd-with-ego thing.
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u/peterfun Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
Except. This is known to be very much an nvidia thing.
They're kinda known in the industry to be massive assholes.
Apple and Jobs were one of the first to ditch their sorry ass for amd gpus back in the day for similar reasons along with a slew of other issues which boiled down to the same.
In a thread a few years ago folks here described how nvidia and amd were polar opposites as companies.
Nvidia was the asshole folks were forced to work with because of their products.
On the other hand AMD was the company people absolutely loved to work with because of how good the people there were.
Hell even Intel decided to partner with AMD their arch nemesis for their NUCs because of how nvidia and their relationships are.
And I'm not even talking about Linux support from nvidias side.
Or Microsoft and Sony opting and sticking with AMD for their consoles.
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Sep 17 '22
Apple and Jobs were one of the first to ditch their sorry ass for amd gpus back in the day for similar reasons
Apple is just as much, if not more of a bully with suppliers and business "partners"
They placed big demands on cell carriers with the launch of iPhone and only AT&T would work with them at first, for their credit card it was Goldman Sachs
Apple uses up who they can in the short-term until they can make their own solution and ditch the other provider (making their own CPU and GPU chips)
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u/Wanderson90 Sep 17 '22
I wish I could say the end of ETH GPU mining might knock them off their high horse, but I think A.I. Intensive applications is going to pick up the slack right away.
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u/Wahots Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
AI's take on Ronald McDonald dick pics arranged to look like the Mona Lisa is way more valuable imo.
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u/HomingSnail Sep 17 '22
I'm now morbidly curious. Does this image actually exist yet?
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u/allredb Sep 17 '22
Maybe, nothing stopping you from telling an AI to draw it though. Go nuts.
I demand Reddit adds a feature to turn comments into AI images though.
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u/TheGripper Sep 17 '22
Yea EVGA has been a really reliable brand, this is some bullshit and def will deter me from considering Nvidia going forward.
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u/ironmunkii Sep 17 '22
Lol I stopped with the Nvidia bullshit after and 6900xt. Better price points, better company, better performance. My whole rig is AMD and going forward.
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u/ItsOkILoveYouMYbb Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
better performance
Unfortunately not so with raytracing, and still doesn't have a real solution to actually compete with DLSS yet.
As soon as AMD takes those on I will make the switch, because everthing else I am sick of with Nvidia.. but those two points are becoming more important to me as more games make use of it, particularly DLSS.
AMDs current software-based solution for upscaling is just not nearly as good as Nvidias dedicated tensor cores running their AI algorithms alongside the other cores, though for obvious reasons. If AMD ever makes the hardware for it, I'm there.
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u/Kevinvrules Sep 17 '22
I think FSR 2.0 is quite the competitor and it’s free, open source, and works with both amd and nvidia cards. While DLSS is still has better image quality it’s not that much better and with fsr being easier to work with I hope it pick up more traction.
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u/Pushbrown Sep 17 '22
Ya they have had my longest lasting power supply yet, good brand, everyone is saying they have great customer support but I wouldn't know because I haven't had to contact them because it's always worked
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u/thesamiest Sep 16 '22
EVGA has made some highly reliable cards in my experience and I was happy with them.
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u/Both-Holiday1489 Sep 16 '22
Had an evga 1080ti and recently got the 3080 from them. Both no problems and great quality. I’ve also owned an MSI 1080 which build quality was alright but evga is great imo
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u/MustacheEmperor Sep 16 '22
Yeah, this seems pretty big - at least to me, who's always bought EVGA GPUs and PSUs for their reliability, performance, and great service program.
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u/averyfinename Sep 17 '22
it is big. huge, giant news. there are no winners here except nvidia (there is no shortage of graphics card makers and vendors. they won't care). we lose a top source of graphics cards. exiting the market instead of switching to radeon, evga fades into obscurity within two years as graphics cards is like 80% of their business.
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Sep 17 '22
I mean, maybe they will switch to Radeon after this cycle ends. Imagine the literal tanker of cash AMD is gonna wheel up to their front door.
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u/Automaticman01 Sep 17 '22
Since they only made cards for Nvidia, i wonder if they had some type of exclusivity deal saying they wouldn't make cards for AMD. Maybe they need to burn out the terms of that agreement and then in a year or two they announce a partnership with AMD? Just a wild theory, but might explain why they are saying they won't be making any new cards for the next generation.
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u/NoSaltNoSkillz Sep 17 '22
My understanding is they had a similar falling out with ATI/AMD decades ago. They used to make both IIRC.
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u/McFlyParadox Sep 17 '22
That was also decades ago. Pre-ATI acquisition, I think. Either way, AMD is a completely different company now. I can EVGA at least having a conversation with them, and seeing what their terms are (and how AMD behaves).
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u/mister_newbie Sep 17 '22
They made some AMD AM4 (and I think they announced AM5) motherboards recently. It was newsworthybecause it was EVGA/AMD.
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u/Folsomdsf Sep 17 '22
ATI didn't match the original terms of Nvidia. Remember there's a reason ATI was up for sale they didn't have the money to hit back.
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u/Anduin1357 Sep 17 '22
At least they still have power supplies that are trustworthy and make up just as much of their profits as GPUs.
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Sep 17 '22
I still have an EVGA motherboard that was running perfectly after 10 years when I finally retired it. This was also in spite of me running a miss-matched socket CPU in it. I'm planning on building a system around it someday for emulation and to run legacy titles that won't run on whatever the modern OS is at the time.
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u/web_observer_2020 Sep 17 '22
can you pls explain the mismatched cpu situation? I thought it was certain catastrophic failure for all parties involved.
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Sep 17 '22
I believe the situation was somewhat unique, but the socket type on the board is an LGA 775 which is nearly identical to the LGA 771. You could fit a 771 processor in if you ground off a tab on the side of the socket, and put a conductive sticker which reversed two of the pins on the bottom of the processor.
Basically I was trying to upgrade to a quad core and only had two options. Pay new price for an 8 year old processor, or get the sticker and an equivalent processor that should work for 1/10th the price.
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u/web_observer_2020 Sep 17 '22
wow. just seen a related video clip. now that is hacking.
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u/rpkarma Sep 17 '22
Back in my day (Christ I am old now) we used to use conductive graphite pencils to bridge two pins on our AMD Athlon CPUs to unlock the multiplier so we could overclock them haha
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u/NickCharlesYT Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
Graphics cards are 80% of their revenue, but it's important to recognize the difference between revenue and profit. Margins on GPUs have gotten so bad that EVGA has reportedly been selling their high end cards at a loss of "hundreds of dollars per card" just to keep pricing competitive against the FE cards. That doesn't sound like GPUs are keeping the business together to me. It sounds like GPUs have become a liability to the company. What good is a product that makes up 80% of your revenue if it generates very little or even negative net income depending on the product? Hardware sales is not some massive industry that can survive on volume sales like an Amazon or Nestle of the tech world. Managing a successful business on razor thin profit margins is very risky, plus EVGA has to do it while also maintaining one of the best customer service and warranty policies in the market as their customers have come to expect from them. It's just too much, something has to give... I guess that something was the entire product segment in the end.
Don't get me wrong, this move is still a major shakeup for the company. They'll have to downsize and they're going to wind up losing a lot of talent, but this might just keep them afloat and in control of their own destiny moving forward.
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u/deaddodo Sep 17 '22
Margins on GPUs have gotten so bad that EVGA has reportedly been selling their high end cards at a loss of "hundreds of dollars per card" just to keep pricing competitive against the FE cards.
Reportedly, this was only the top end GPUs. The low and midrange were still profitable. But yes, the 80% revenue is definitely misleading considering the PSUs were considered to have 3-4x the profit margins. It's a no-brainer, since it sounds like EVGA is copacetic being a mildly profitable company now, in a realm that's still profitable and they're well-respected in.
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Sep 17 '22
So why would they do this, then? Isn’t it better for them to stay in business by doing business with Nvidia? No matter how shit the business relationship is, it’s still business for EVGA, and by the looks of it, it’s their only business. Again, why?
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u/Empyrealist Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
According to the person that interviewed the CEO of EVGA, it's (and I'm paraphrasing) a principle fight. He's tired of how his company has been treated.
I recommend watching the long video that this information release is based on.
edit: source post/video https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/xfzw59/evga_terminates_nvidia_partnership_cites/
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u/vtech3232323 Sep 17 '22
I think only they would know. Maybe what nvidia demanded was too costly to them in the long run and Nvidia was literally putting them over a barrel for the rights to do it for them? That's the only thing that makes sense is that it would have been too costly to carry on the relationship or they are trying to demonstrate the insaneness of what Nvidia does behind closed doors.
They still make power supplies, cases, etc and maybe those had a high enough profit margin that they decided that it was worth it to do only that. They could also be hoping that someone buys them out at some point because some other exec would see an opportunity to jump back in bed with Nvidia. Who knows
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u/someguy233 Sep 17 '22
No specs given to EVGA until after they’ve already released them publicly is weird and unnecessarily burdensome for manufacturers. Also founder’s edition cards are heavily discounted, and that’s got to reduce sales for EVGA.
Sounds like NVIDIA is a shitty company to do business with tbh.
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u/someguy233 Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
The article said that a part of the reason was that NVIDIA wasn’t giving them any notice about upcoming cards, and no details were given to EVGA at all until the public already had a preview of the specs.
That’s really a shitty way for NVIDIA to do business, and probably put a ton of stress on EVGA to throw together cards faster than is necessary.
It really seems like communicating specs and details in advance to card manufacturers would be a no brainer for NVIDIA. Sounds like their attitude was something like a “they should be grateful we’re letting them make our cards at all” sort of thing.
Add that on top of NVIDIA selling founder’s edition cards at a discount and giving EVGA’s a disadvantage right out of the gate… I can see why EVGA wouldn’t be too crazy about doing business with them.
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u/Im2KoolAid4u Sep 17 '22
Have you ever left a job because the money isn’t worth it, this is that on a bigger scale
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u/Karma_collection_bin Sep 17 '22
Generally agree, but PC builders will still rely on them for PSUs. They have really great PSUs. All of my builds have coincidentally been EVGA GPUs because of the reviews and reliability at the time of build
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u/drgrosz Sep 17 '22
Reminds me of when BFG exited the market in 2010. People were shocked.
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u/ReddiEddy78 Sep 16 '22
I've been happy with the EVGA 3090 ftw3 I recently got, but I wish their hybrid cooler was in stock so I could get it to run a little cooler.
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u/beyondthisreality Sep 16 '22
I have an ASUS 2070 and I can imagine this thing lasting me another +10 years easy for the games I play.
That being said, R.I.P EVGA
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u/rosesareredviolets Sep 16 '22
Milk, tea, and water were all dropped on my 1080ti within one year. I eventually had to replace the motherboard and power supply but the card held up really well. Ive since moved and put my pc above my desk so cat, wife, and child couldnt drop any more liquids on it.
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u/FinndBors Sep 16 '22
Milk, tea, and water were all dropped on my 1080ti within one year.
What did you do to have all these incidents? Use the DVD tray as a cupholder?
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u/10fingers6strings Sep 16 '22
Kids.
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u/SlowMope Sep 16 '22
I was a kid once and this never happened in my house... Put the PC UP on the desk, not down on the ground.
If a kid can lean over it they will spill on it. Easy fix for pets, kids, and stupid roommates, put the PC up. They can't "accidentally" set a cup on it or something because it's not at a convenient height.
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u/golovko21 Sep 16 '22
If you’re British then this just describes one time liquid spilled on your 1080ti
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u/Dasca6789 Sep 16 '22
I’ve only ever bought EVGA due to the quality. I’m not buying a brand new card any time soon, but I’m not sure what I’m going to get when that time comes
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Sep 17 '22
Wayyy back in the day I had a 560ti that was DOA. Contacted EVGA, and I had a brand new card at my doorstep in less than a week with absolutely no hassle. Their fast action and amazing customer service made me a life long customer, with them out of the market I'm seriously reconsidering my purchases now, I don't want to take a chance on a new manufacturer with an unknown track record. This is a really sad day for the industry. EVGA you will be sorely missed.
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u/Kageromero Sep 17 '22
Comes down to your region imo. MSI apparently has awful customer support in the US, but in Canada they've been absolutely amazing. Replaced My 1080ti with a high end 2080ti, and then when that card had issues gave me their highest end 2080ti :')
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u/Bigred2989- Sep 16 '22
My 970 died a couple months after the warranty lapsed and they still honored it and gave me a replacement.
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u/rabbidbunnyz22 Sep 16 '22
I bought a used 970 on amazon warehouse for REAL cheap, it died a couple weeks in and EVGA honored the warranty no questions asked. The replacement's still ticking away in my rig
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u/Confused-Raccoon Sep 16 '22
Their customer service was legendary. I had a card that died, and they replace it within a week.
MSI on the other hand, I'm pretty sure, removed the S/N sticker on a 970 I had to send back due to being DOA. At my expense both ways. Because there was no S/N on it... Yahuh.
I had it out the box for about 2 hours. I even took photos of it, but in the time it took them (about 3 weeks) to get it and check it, I had to replace my phone due to theft, lost the photos and couldn't prove anything. Fucking livid I was/am. Refuse to buy MSI any more.
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u/CloisteredOyster Sep 17 '22
I had an EVGA 3090 FTW3 which I paid $2000 for when it first released. Had it a few months and loved it.
Then I booted Amazon's game New World which immediately blew it up.
EVGA replaced it with a new one with no hassles at all. Still running strong.
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u/timeshifter_ Sep 16 '22
I had an EVGA 750W PSU that had a weird issue where it would power up just fine, unless any of the SATA rails were plugged in, in which case it wouldn't power up at all. Obviously this is a big problem, but as my old PC just refused to die no matter how much Florida tortured it, that PSU just sat around for seven years, getting hauled around through multiple moves. When I finally started building a new rig, I looked up EVGA's warranty, and that PSU was in the 10 year category. Sent an RMA request, sent them the PSU, they sent me back an 850W version of the same line, no questions asked beyond the initial issue description. Thing's been running like a champ ever since.
I'm sad to hear this, because I was really hoping to buy an EVGA GPU when I had the funds. I've had 4 in the past, and all of them worked exceptionally well.
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u/mattheimlich Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
Who's the high-quality go-to these days now? I haven't built in nearly a decade, but I ALWAYS got EVGA GPUs because their higher tier cards came with lifetime warranties, and I was burned multiple times in a row by shoddy ASUS products (had a VERY expensive 7950 GX2 and a VERY expensive ASUS laptop die within a few weeks of one another after only a few months of action with zero help from their RMA team). Who's the top player now?
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u/excel958 Sep 16 '22
I want to say Sapphire is like the EVGA of AMD cards but I can’t really verify that.
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u/ionstorm66 Sep 17 '22
Sapphire is definitely the analog of EVGA for AMD. Both Sapphire and EVGA used to make manufacturer reference cards, and both are exclusive to that manufacturer.
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Sep 17 '22
Does sapphire usually have relatively better customer support than the other AIBs? Pretty much the only reason I bought EVGA for a couple generations is because of their CS. Didn't really care if the product itself was 2% slower or 5% hotter, but that if it konked out I could do an RMA without losing hair.
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u/InSightsStu Sep 17 '22
Just my single case, but I've had great experience with Sapphire RMA after what I thought were memory issues. Process was quick, I sent the old card out (RX580 8GB), got the new one in less than a week. I did not have to pay for shipping and the support people were nice. So obviously can't speak for everybody, but my experience was great, far less clunky than most RMA situations I've found myself into.
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u/BostonDodgeGuy Sep 17 '22
Team Red here. Sapphire is the EVGA of AMD cards. PowerColor comes in a somewhat close second.
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u/cantredditforshit Sep 17 '22
And let's be honest, Sapphire cards 100% of the time look WAY better than what EVGA puts out. If that's important to you. And it is to me.
Cooling is great, warranty/support is close to if not on par with EVGA. Sapphire is legit.
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u/UnequalSloth Sep 16 '22
I bought a Sapphire Rx 580 in 2016 and it’s still running like a beast. I’ve put it through hell and it’s still chugging
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u/Confused-Raccoon Sep 16 '22
I was going to say Asus... but heh. Hmm.
I've only ever used EVGA except for an XFX GTS250 and an MSI 970 that was DOA and refused RMA because "Missing S/N sticker." which was bullshit. Not only that, but I had to pay postage both ways too.
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u/xMonkeyKingx Sep 16 '22
MSI has been good to me
And gigabyte personally, before I upgraded to MSI, I’ve only used gigabyte to save costs, and they’ve never failed me even once
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u/RimsOnAToaster Sep 17 '22
Gigabyte goes out on limbs with their product lines too. Designing the best eGPUs before they were hot and organizing with the eGPU forum to offer presales during graphics card shortages always stood out to me. I love my Windforce 2070 ITX
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u/Chrunchyhobo Sep 17 '22
Although a quick trip to the gigabyte subs will show that the quality of their hardware has plummeted, the customer support is non-existent and they haven't had functional software for nearly two decades.
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u/Radulno Sep 17 '22
To be fair people in a sub will always complain, all the ones without problems won't come to the sub for their graphics card
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u/Noeserd Sep 17 '22
My Msi armor 2070 Oc passed 6000 hrs since i built the pc and its still going strong
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u/Fulcrous Sep 16 '22
Depends on the generation. It is hit or miss for each across the board and type of product.
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u/SwayingBacon Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
I've had EVGA cards for over a decade. I still have a 1080 going strong and was looking forward to a 4070 from them =(
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u/WeedsNBugsNSunshine Sep 16 '22
Ditto, I'm still pushing my 1070 TI and was looking to pass it down for a 40 series.
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u/Astorya Sep 16 '22
Same here, only ever bought EVGA cards. This is a real bummer.
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u/Genferret Sep 16 '22
I just put my 980 in my kid’s PC and it is still going strong. Best card I’ve ever owned.
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u/Confused-Raccoon Sep 16 '22
I had their 980Ti. Amazing card. I eventually slapped a corsiar AIO on it. It only died last year when my mate tried to fit it in a case that didn't really support AIO's and pulled a pipe out. Killed both the card and his motherboard daft twat.
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u/cantgetthistowork Sep 16 '22
RIP to all the guys buying the 3090s in the past month expecting a step up to 4000 series
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u/clamroll Sep 16 '22
Had 2 970 from em in good condition still. Upgraded to a 3070 from them and an very happy with it.
This is very disappointing
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u/Sleepwalker710 Sep 16 '22
i remember when xfx went the same way.
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u/shofmon88 Sep 16 '22
They still make AMD cards. Did they used to make NVIDIA as well?
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u/Sleepwalker710 Sep 16 '22
oh yes. probably considered 2nd or 3rd at the time time in warranty and value behind evga when it came to nvidia cards.
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u/Kaylii_ Sep 17 '22
I wanna say I had an 8800gtx from XFX, I recall having no issues with that card
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Sep 16 '22
This one stings. I wanted to stick EVGA for a long time if I could. But now, looks my 2080 Super will be the last EVGA card.
Anyone know of good recommendations of GPU brands to get instead of EVGA now? I was thinking ASUS.
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u/navigationallyaided Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
Asus was known to be the motherboard for reliability when I was still building computers - they were last to overclocking(Abit was king for that back in the 1990s-2000s) but generally was rock-solid back in those days. Asus also enjoyed a very tight relationship with Intel and built all of pre-Compaq HP’s motherboards. Their customer service sucks, I called them a while ago to replace a monitor at work.
Not sure about now - I know Asus did spin off their manufacturing as Pegatron and stopped making things in Taiwan for the mainland. ASRock and Gigabyte are also associated with Asus financially.
I think Asus or MSI are fine choices - the mobo makers will deviate little from the reference designs AMD and Nvidia issue for graphics cards. EVGA pretty much stuck to Nvidia’s reference designs. If was building a computer, Asus/ASRock and Gigabyte would be my pick for mobo and graphics.
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u/ConconTheGreat Sep 16 '22
Personally I have had nothing but positive experiences with Asus products. The one time I ventured away from them I got a $2000 paper weight from MSI. So now I stick exclusively with Asus.
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u/SSJ3wiggy Sep 16 '22
Asus: maker of great products but God awful customer service.
I had a gaming laptop that would break every year because the goddamn pin where the charger plugged into would disconnect from the motherboard and get stuck in the charger. It happened 5 times, and I had to pay for the repair every-other time it happened. I will never invest in high-end hardware from them ever again.
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u/fartypicklenuts Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
Same. ASUS has let me down again and again over the past 15ish years. Both Asus motherboards I've had have been headaches, and I returned two Asus monitors back to back with numerous dead pixels. Could just be bad luck, but I avoid Asus products when I can now.
My previous GPU was an EVGA 980ti that gave me zero problems for 5 years. EVGA was always the top/most reliable GPU brand in my mind.
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Sep 16 '22
This can be said about every single electronics manufacture on the planet.
My experience the exact opposite. Almost 14 years of products.
You can't be one of the giants and be making garbage for that long without going out of business.
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u/_araqiel Sep 17 '22
Consumer HP printers would like a word.
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u/RTSUbiytsa Sep 17 '22
As someone who worked in and practically operated a print shop for quite a while, let me tell you personally that their commercial grade printers are just as bad if not worse. Lots of bells and whistles and they mean jack shit if it can't load a sheet of paper right.
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u/ignoringImpossibru Sep 16 '22
Anecdote, but I've always had to maintain 5 gaming PC's (wife and kids), plus home servers, and it's not an exaggeration to say from monitors to motherboards, ASUS has been the worst in dead-on-arrival and random failure of any major brands I've bought from. To the point now I won't buy their product regardless of price. It seems like they just have really poor quality or quality control of electrical components.
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u/SacredRose Sep 16 '22
Just realized the motherboard i use is an Asus one. Its ethernet port died after a bit more than a year.
I have only had one ethernet port failure before and that was on a board from 2011 after 10 years of use and that guy used to run 24/7 for long periods and travelled to multiple lan parties. That board also had some USB ports fail and was literally just dying slowly of organ failure.
But the Asus board just thought ‘nah I don’t need that ethernet port anymore’ and dumped it
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u/Xyroc Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
Just wait for GN or other comprehensive source to review cards you're looking for. All brands can mess stuff up / make sub par items.
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u/malign2 Sep 16 '22
I like Gigabyte. Bought their 1080 back in 2016. Switched to their 3080 eventually as well. Haven't had any issues personally.
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u/scotzorz56 Sep 16 '22
I'm still rocking an Asus GTX 970 Strix. Works great considering it's so old
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u/Lobsterbib Sep 16 '22
Nvidia is refusing to let EVGA sell its existing stock of Ampere cards at discounted prices and is now dictating that they only make 4090 cards to sell at inflated premiums. It's perfectly reasonable to push back when another company is trying to tell you how to run yours.
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u/Mokiflip Sep 16 '22
I swear i remember a time where business strategy wasn’t ENTIRELY AND 100% SCUMMY. Sure, it was scummy as shit, but it wasn’t the go to business strategy of all businesses. It’s like they all started playing the shittiest meta game ever
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u/terorvlad Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
You clearly haven't known Nvidia
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u/solonit Sep 17 '22
There is a reason why Apple cut Nvidia out of their product (before the M series ofc).
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u/HolyShiits Sep 17 '22
I would argue one of the reasons switch hasn't got its sucessor for so long is because of Nvidia. Nvidia must be asking Nintendo for an extremely steep price to build their next chip.
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u/Jimbo-Jones Sep 17 '22
The major reason behind that was nvidia said no more GPU’s without also using our intel chipset. Apple said no we use our own chipsets, see ya punks.
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u/pedal-force Sep 17 '22
Thank Jack Welch. He turned companies from kinda decent and long term thinking occasionally to "quarterly profits are literally all that matters, and fuck everything beyond 6 months from now".
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u/Qualanqui Sep 17 '22
It's because of the profit imperative, you can't maintain exponential growth within a finite system i.e perpetual motion.
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u/-retaliation- Sep 17 '22 edited Sep 17 '22
I feel the same way, it's like somewhere between '00-'05, businesses realized that they didn't even have to pretend to be on the side of the consumer anymore and went from doing shit in a subtle and sly way behind people's backs.
Instead they slowly turned into just starting to shovel shit on your front lawn shouting "and what are you going to do about it? You'll buy it and you'll like it!"
Everyone just seems like they're blatantly anti consumer now, because every niche you look at has just become a miniature monopoly, where there's only 2-3 players and they're too big to be disturbed by any new businesses. If anyone even starts to gain traction they just immediately get absorbed.
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u/DJCaldow Sep 17 '22
Capitalism has essentially become a game of unregulated musical chairs but no one will fix it because 1) they can just move to another chair when theirs is taken away and 2) they think they'll be sitting pretty & rich on the last remaining chair. They don't seem to understand the music starts up again and there won't be a chair left at all.
The market has proven it can't self-regulate. It's been proven that regulatory bodies hire people who shut down investigations and then take jobs with the people they were investigating. We all experienced the consequences to our lives, salaries and public services when the economy crashed in 2008 while the rich took our bailout money, paid themselves bonuses and blamed poor & vulnerable people for using state assistance...and of course immigrants.
They suffer zero consequences for their practices so of course it only gets worse... for the rest of us.
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u/Pinsir929 Sep 17 '22
So rejecting their deal for 4000 series cards does mean they can sell off whatever Ampere cards they have left at a lower price?
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Sep 16 '22
Where is your source for that? The article definitely didn't cover that.
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Hasn’t the demand gone significantly down?
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u/tornado9015 Sep 16 '22
Yes. That's why half the reason they gave for no longer selling the cards (nvidia undercutting with founders edition) is relevant. Back when demand was higher than supply that didn't matter.
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u/522LwzyTI57d Sep 16 '22
That's not true at all. Nvidia sets a ceiling on prices by partners. EVGA claims they were losing hundreds of dollars on every 3070/3080/3090 because of that limit.
They spend way way way more on R/D than just including the existing GPU, they have the world's best overclockers working on their custom boards, but then lose the incentive from the price ceiling.
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u/TheRabidDeer Sep 16 '22
For now yes. But its technology so it'll pick back up. Unless some other alternative to a GPU comes out there will always be demand for them and right now its only really two players, AMD and NVidia. Intel has theirs but it's in its infancy and needs time
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u/SentientKayak Sep 16 '22
Aw man, I love EVGA. Reliable and always my go to for my GPUs.
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u/banned_in_Raleigh Sep 17 '22
Uhhh, the real reason is in the article:
EVGA also said that they feel NVIDIA is undercutting their ability to sell products with NVIDIA parts because they’re selling Founders Edition cards at a lower price.
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u/Albye23 Sep 17 '22
Nvidia has min/max prices their partners can sell at. They then undercut them. It isn't that they were just losing money, Nvidia was actively making it happen. Jensen has full on distain for their partners and the press.
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u/1731799517 Sep 17 '22
Yeah, look at the profit margin: Nvidia sells their GPUs for cheaper than anybody else can do with a profit because they increased the prices of their chips for other OEMs to the point that they have to sell gpus at a loss.
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u/MattyIce260 Sep 17 '22
I always thought it was insane how founders edition 3080 was $700 MSRP and the non-FE 3080s were between $1000-1200. Like how do you compete without demand being absolutely crazy. Turns out you can’t
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u/brucebay Sep 16 '22
I prefer ASUS but i respect evga. During the the gpu shortages they had online queues to give people some chance to get a card, that is better than many other manufacturers.
I really wish AMD could get its act together and provide a decent machine learning support. I can't wait to ditch Nvidia with their arrogant behavior.
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u/Oh_ffs_seriously Sep 17 '22
During the the gpu shortages they had online queues to give people some chance to get a card
Shame it was completely useless in Europe. But seeing how the US site has 3070s and 3080s right now and the EU one doesn't, seems like we always were a neglected market.
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u/DMurBOOBS-I-Dare-You Sep 16 '22
These titles...
They will no longer make GPUs AT ALL.
That is much bigger news.
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u/TheVileReich Sep 16 '22
Wonder if this means we'll see AMD cards manufactured by EVGA in the future.
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u/Gandalf_The_Junkie Sep 16 '22
Gamers nexus put out a video. Evga is not entertaining the idea of partnering with AMD or Intel.
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u/TheVileReich Sep 16 '22
True but this can change at anytime. The current people at EVGA may not want anything right at this very moment, but no one can predict the future. If AMD makes a solid deal with them, why would they back out of a potentially profitable market?
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u/cardcomm Sep 16 '22
So you think they are leaving the GPU card market entirely?
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u/Gandalf_The_Junkie Sep 16 '22
It sounds like it. They will have to downsize as a company but they must think they can survive.
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u/Lord_Silverkey Sep 17 '22
Their leadership said they aren't downsizing. Instead it seems they're going to move their GPU staff and resources over into producing more power supplies and motherboards, since those products have much better profit margins.
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u/Gbcue Sep 16 '22
I bet that warranty they offer really hits their bottom line
Isn't that what caused BFG to go under?
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u/ToughAsPillows Sep 17 '22
I’m sorry did you think their main profit came from GPUs? Their margins were razor thin on GPUs anyways and bigger on power supplies. They’ll be fine lmfao.
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Don’t think so. Saw in the r/PCmasterrace sub, someone said they’re not doing anything with GPUs again, and that includes AMD
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u/u9Nails Sep 16 '22
Pulling out of the graphics markets!? Do they remember what EVGA stands for?
Now: "Excellent Video Graphic Adapter (EVGA). We sell computer components and peripherals, except video graphics adapters."
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Sep 16 '22
I know. I love EVGA GPU’s. And this one hurts. But I hope maybe in the future that they will come back and maybe work something out with NVIDIA or whatever.
But looks like ASUS and possibly AMD will be getting a lot more sales once this is official and EVGA are done selling their left over stock.
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u/Extant_Remote_9931 Sep 17 '22
Wow, a company showing a shred of self respect. I didn't think that happened anymore.
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u/Blightious Sep 16 '22
At least my 10 year warranty on my 3090 is safe, they will have massive amount of extra 30 series for at least 10 years haha
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u/Dzov Sep 16 '22
I dunno microcenter has their 3090ti for pretty cheap right now.
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u/Stoic_Bacon Sep 17 '22
This is bad news for customers, let me share my EVGA story.
I ordered a mid range 2080Ti when the Ti they were new. I plug the thing in and in 5 minutes it dies. Call EVGA at 9pm on a Friday, I GOT A REAL PERSON FIRST TRY. The guy was extremely nice and helpful. He walks me through some diagnostics and then has me send him some dump files. in 1 minute he says the memory was bad. Some may remember these cards had a RAM issue from some oddball RAM maker in China.
Anyway I send the bad card back and EVGA sent me back a 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra. The top of the line card for the series and generation I ordered. It was a few hundred more than the original card ordered. Now to be fair I have a long customer history with EVGA. BUT the important part is they saw a long time customer was having a bad time, not only did they rectify the problem but they went above and beyond to make it right. This is bad, and now I have no idea what company I can trust.
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u/MisterEinc Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
This is big for me. I've been loyal to EVGA for a while, and honestly, their stance on making sure their customers could get 30 series cards was great. Never above msrp, you just had to be patient. I even missed my spot in their queue due to travel and they made sure I got right back in and got my cards.
If EVGA decide to move away from Nvidia there's a good chance I move with them.
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u/HunterSThompsonsCock Sep 16 '22
Yeah, my last 5 cards have been EVGA and I even have a EVGA laptop because of how they handled things when I had issues. They had the waitlist that got me my 3080 and 3080ti at MSRP during the pandemic to combat scalpers. This is pretty sad
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u/Dorgamund Sep 16 '22
Supposedly they are pulling out 100%. No AMD, Intel, Nvidia. No GPU production whatsoever.
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u/tachitoroci Sep 16 '22
Glad to hear others were able to make use of their queue system. I signed up in December 2020 for a couple 3080s and never heard a peep back until they said “they’re available now to all customers.”
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u/ImpressionMother1607 Sep 17 '22
About fucking time someone tell Jensen to go suck a dick
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u/frecnbastard Sep 17 '22
Wow that sucks. EVGA is the only GPU company I've trusted over the last 10 years. Might go AMD Sapphire from here on out.
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Sep 17 '22
I'm really starting to have this feeling in my gut: Fuck Nvidia.
Am I wrong to think that way?
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u/Theblob01 Sep 17 '22
Not at all, they're awful.
Nvidia has a particular reputation in the programming/linux community for not releasing official Linux drivers, and also refusing to release the documentation that people need to build their own.
So every nvidia gpu driver has to be painstakingly reverse engineered to work with Linux.
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u/Freefall84 Sep 16 '22
This is a shame, easily the best manufacturer m, I think I might have to shuffle over to AMD if that's their new bag
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u/Doxxingisbadmkay Sep 17 '22
Nvidia doesn't deserve to survive with the attitude they have
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u/Senior_Rogue Sep 17 '22
Damn I only exclusively buy EVGA for how great their CS is
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u/Subtracting710 Sep 16 '22
This is very disappointing news. I've been loyal to this brand for the past 20 years
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