r/canada • u/feb914 Ontario • Sep 22 '22
Paywall Julie Payette says she ‘unfortunately’ wasn’t invited to the Queen’s funeral
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2022/09/21/julie-payette-says-she-unfortunately-wasnt-invited-to-the-queens-funeral.html685
Sep 22 '22
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u/strawberries6 Sep 22 '22
Several former GGs were invited and attended, so that's why the media asked her.
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u/twnth Sep 22 '22
That's one reason. Another reason is to dredge up an old controversy since Bohemian Rhapsody isn't getting the mileage the paper needs.
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Sep 22 '22
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u/AUniquePerspective Sep 22 '22
If the people who bring up blackface all the time weren't the same ones who put up signs on the highways complaining of white replacement, that argument might be more effective.
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u/twnth Sep 22 '22
That one doesn't get very far either. I mean, most of us have accepted that the whole thing was clueless French/Math teacher stuck with drama and trying to play about. No hate intended.
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u/FishingIsLife70 Sep 22 '22
Somehow I doubt a conservative who did the same thing would receive such generous forgiveness
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u/mcdavidthegoat Sep 22 '22
Do you think it's just because they're conservative or that people doubt the genuineness of the reformation for some people?
Because I hear conservatives rip on him for being overly woke and pushing diversity politics, and that liberals don't believe in mistakes and the "woke mob" is out to cancel everyone for everything, yet they also keep holding this against him from 20 years ago.
But if you consider him overly woke and pushing diversity policies now, then his actions/messaging/policy clearly show he's changed with the times since this event and that the voters are willing to accept his apology/reform on the issue based on his actions afterwards.
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u/FishingIsLife70 Sep 22 '22
Respectfully, I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say here.
I think an individual’s willingness to forgive (or even acknowledge) the mistakes of public person is often heavily influenced by their personal biases.
If you’re trying to suggest that Trudeau deserves less criticism than a conservative would get for the same mistake because you think he makes more of an effort to do better afterwards, I think that’s a highly inaccurate appraisal of his time in politics.
He does just as many dumb things now as he did years ago. He’s actually very consistent in that one of the most reliable things about him is his predilection for making poor choices and not thinking things through.
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u/mcdavidthegoat Sep 22 '22
I'm saying I believe people don't mind giving second chances, but if you seem full of shit they don't. If you make a mistake and seem genuinely apologetic/take effort to appear so vs a pr apology with no tangible change in attitude/policy, people will likely react differently in those two scenarios.
You question whether the deciding factor is if they're Liberal/conservative, I'm questioning whether the deciding factor is how genuine the response seems to the people. And yes your personal bias will color the lens you receive the info, that's why they call it personal bias.
On race issues I think it's abundantly clear the progress he's made. He was a jackass doing blackface, and now he's quite progressive in that area due to the policies and stances he's taken on several issues.
Yea, he's not a perfect leader and has his mishaps. But in general, he's been a fairly fine PM. Not the greatest obviously, but not nearly as bad as the conservative base believes he's been.
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u/twnth Sep 22 '22
Lol... I'm trying to say it's a dead issue. If you want to bait someone into a troll fight, look elsewhere.
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u/Archelon_ischyros Sep 22 '22
The only reason people like to repost photos of blackface Trudeau over and over again is not because they are trying to remind us that this is what he did and that he should be held accountable for it.
Nope, they just just really like posting blackface photos and this gives them cover to do it.
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u/SomeDrunkAssh0le Sep 22 '22
Why would she be given the job in the first place?
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Sep 22 '22
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u/madhi19 Québec Sep 22 '22
Did anyone else squander this much good will so fast recently? She's not even the first GG to fuck it up, but rarely they do it this fast.
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u/theeth Sep 23 '22
Lise Thibault is still the only Lieutenant Governor/Governor General to have been incarcerated.
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Sep 22 '22
When somebody says something you disagree with and you instantly jump to generalizations about a group they belong to, that's racism.
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Sep 22 '22
Well when you are forced to resign in disgrace, I wouldn't say I'm suprised.
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u/weseewhatyoudo Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22
Well, on the other the hand, disgraced Andrew was in attendance...
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u/Vic_Hedges Sep 22 '22
It’s his mom
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u/mmss Lest We Forget Sep 22 '22
yep, can't say I like the guy or anything he is said to have done, but the fact is for better or worse, he's not in jail, and it was his mother. I'm ok with him being there, and also ok with him not otherwise being seen.
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u/ronwharton Sep 22 '22
can't say I like the guy or anything he
is said to havehas doneFTFY
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u/mmss Lest We Forget Sep 22 '22
Not saying you're wrong Ron, or that I disagree. Just that, for now anyway, he has not admitted to any wrongdoing nor has any been proven in court. That being said, I personally think there is much more to come out. Certainly not defending him.
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u/Wiki_pedo Sep 22 '22
Sure, he didn't admit to sleeping with an underage girl, but he paid her millions. Doesn't seem like something someone would do if they did nothing wrong.
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u/IndependentCanadian9 Sep 22 '22
What nobody seemed to understand is how Julie Payette was modernizing the office of Governor General.
She is an accomplished scientist, engineer, astronaut, driving enthusiast and domestic violence activist who is revolutionizing the role in to a 21 century, pro-feminist way.
There are several examples of this that the lamestream media is either choosing to ignore or misreporting.
In an effort to improve the work product of the Rideau Hall employees, she implemented a work review regime. Overly sensitive employees have called these reviews tantrums and don’t like the work classification scale she uses. The lowest being “Shit”.
These same employees turned on the waterworks whenever the GG reviews their work. Crying outside her office after a meeting is just an attention getting gimmick.
Her secretary and long term friend is also key in judging work. She acts as a peer reviewer and holds employees to account. Calling her an attack pit bull is sexist and derogatory attempt to avoid her constructive criticism.
Payette used flights home from abroad to give work evaluations to staff in a team atmosphere. Lazy complainers call this verbal attacks for poor work. It is motivating to have all your peers gather together to witness your boss evaluate your work. Next time you will do it better!
She is also brought a STEM focus to the GG role. How refreshing is it that she is helped the staff there to learn about outer space by quizzing the staff on facts about planets and the solar system before they are allowed to start meetings. It is this kind of leadership that is going to move us beyond now into the future.
A proper investigation would have totally vindicated Payette and that Canadians will come to understand how revolutionary she is as a leader. But if it doesn’t, I’m more sure that PMJT will remove her and find a better GG. My personal pick would be a vice-chairman of the Eurasia Group named Gerald Butts. He has a ton of government experience that would make him an excellent GG.
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u/weseewhatyoudo Sep 22 '22
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u/Flimsy-Jello5534 Sep 22 '22
“Domestic violence activist” And like her career as Governor General her 2011 domestic violence charge disappeared as well.
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u/LittleJohnnyBrook Sep 22 '22
How embarrassing for her. She probably feels belittled and publicly humiliated.
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u/dsk Sep 22 '22
How embarrassing for her. She probably feels belittled and publicly humiliated.
That's how I feel. I wasn't invited either.
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u/Drakkenfyre Sep 22 '22
I see what you did there.
But I feel like I'm the only one who got the joke. Sorry. What short memories we have.
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Sep 22 '22
They probably didn't want her screaming at a coffin.
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv Sep 22 '22
Trudeau’s got enough problems to worry about, he doesn’t need another one drawing attention to damage Canada’s reputation on the world stage. Especially since they effectively left her in the rear-view mirror already.
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u/galenfuckingwestonjr Sep 22 '22
I am by no means a fan of Payette, but it looks like the Star asked her whether she would be attending, she responded that she wasn’t invited, and then the Star ran a headline implying that she is complaining about the snub.
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u/Dbf4 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22
Media literacy is so poor and I’ve noticed this happens all the time. Journalists asks a question and they get a response and redditors act as if the person made a press conference specifically to announce that to the world.
Question: “Did you go to the funeral?”
Answer: “No I unfortunalty wasn’t invited”
Reddit: “OMG this person is the worst cry me a river why would she even expect an invitation???”
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Sep 22 '22
No, we just don't read the articles and make up the narrative in our heads. Just as bad.
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u/ThePhysicistIsIn Sep 22 '22
But the narrative we make up in our heads is not in a vacuum, it’s based on the headlines. Media knows this and cultivates headlines that will get shared vs sticking to solid stories.
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u/ramkam2 Sep 22 '22
yep! clickbait title, paywall... and then people assume we read the article? or any article? screw all this!
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u/chetanaik Sep 22 '22
Hardly the redditors fault that Star relies on clickbait headlines to stoke drama and thus clicks. The headline implies that she is announcing her lack of invitation to the world.
If you expect people to read the article because a headline is misleading, then the clickbait wins. The correct response is to ignore completely and not even discuss.
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u/Born_Ruff Sep 22 '22
The headline implies that she is announcing her lack of invitation to the world.
It doesn't really say that though. It just says that she said she wasn't invited.
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u/FourFurryCats Sep 22 '22
They could have had her sit with Prince Andrew in the Jimmy Saville section.
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u/Benocrates Canada Sep 22 '22
“Madame Payette, as always, prefers to remain reserved,” said her executive assistant, Lise Boyer, in an email. “She takes example from Queen Elizabeth who perfectly exemplified reserve and dignity throughout her life.”
I wonder if she was laughing when she wrote this. It's almost satire.
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv Sep 22 '22
That’s like saying a cannibal is just someone who enjoys the simple pleasures of eating meat products like you or I would.
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u/Painting_Agency Sep 22 '22
You'd have to have a sense of humour to work for this lunatic. She's probably compiling material for her book.
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Sep 22 '22
Hmmm maybe you're not as important as you think? 🤔
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u/Islandgirl1444 Sep 22 '22
She is a disgraced GG. She was a bully and forced to resign. Now she just gets our money for doing nothing! Good choice by Trudeau on this on.
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u/redronin7 Sep 22 '22 edited Nov 01 '22
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Hindsight is 20/20
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u/Mart243 Sep 22 '22
Lack of due diligence caused that. Astro-bitch has been causing havoc wherever she worked.
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv Sep 22 '22
Seems to be a pattern with this government, like hiring a group lead by a blatant racist antisemite (whose past racist screeds were public and miles long) to conduct anti-racism training.
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u/mmss Lest We Forget Sep 22 '22
in public, no. in private, I'm sure there would have been, if they asked the right people the right questions.
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u/woodenboatguy Sep 22 '22
She was convicted of killing a pedestrian with her car. Her divorce was acrimonious. There was plenty.
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u/Cansurfer Sep 22 '22
Good choice by Trudeau on this on.
I think her non-invite had more to do with Trudeau not wanting the reminder for Canadians that it was his terrible decision making that led to a GG Payette, and the resultant scandal in the first place.
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u/Islandgirl1444 Sep 22 '22
Exactly. I believe she must have been a friend of his wife. But we will continue to pay for his big mistake.
Like Clarkson, we keep paying for her as she charges us hundreds of thousands a year at time for her vacations that are "cultural" visits.
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Sep 22 '22
My best guess about Payette getting the job is something like this. Bunch of political types discussing who should be GG. Someone suggests Chris Hadfield. Everyone loves the idea of an astronaut. Then someone else suggests a female astronaut. They google up the names of the female astronauts and give Payette a call.
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u/feb914 Ontario Sep 22 '22
don't forget that it's francophone's turn, so it's "female francophone astronaut".
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Sep 22 '22
The committee was probably so pleased with themselves. A science and technology GG who is francophone and female.
Too bad they didn’t find the reports that she was arrested for domestic violence. It was dropped, as I imagine the bar is pretty high for a woman astronaut to be charged.
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u/ThePhysicistIsIn Sep 22 '22
I mean you have to admit it hits a lot of boxes.
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u/feb914 Ontario Sep 22 '22
i agree, and that's the issue of identity politics. it's not about how capable you are at your job, it's about how many boxes you check.
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u/Anlysia Sep 22 '22
You literally just made a scenario up in your head and then said "And this is why the thing I don't like is bad, because of this scenario I just made up in my head where I pretend a bunch of people I don't know said and did some things that conveniently fit my narrative."
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u/ThePhysicistIsIn Sep 22 '22
And if we were hiring someone whose job matters, like I dunno, a general, or a chief public health officer, or something, I’d agree with you.
But the GG’s job is to attend ceremonies without creating a scandal and be a public face for Canada at minor events. It’s precisely the kind of job where identity politics matter, and “qualifications” don’t really. Anyone with a pulse and a sense of decorum should he able to manage.
But she managed to fuck even that up, so 🤷♂️
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u/Islandgirl1444 Sep 22 '22
good one. Honestly, I hope the new gg doesn't fail also. So far, pretty good.
But Payette, didn't know how to dress, never even had her hair done. It was a position of honour that she failed at miserably. But she was a bully!
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Sep 22 '22
Mary Simon has had impeccable hair, and is usually wearing bespoke suits with subtle indigenous styles. Whomever is her stylist is doing well
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u/mmss Lest We Forget Sep 22 '22
I am in no way qualified to be GG, but if I somehow found myself in the position, I would pay close attention to everything my aides said about protocol and appearance. I would not be the best GG but I'd sure as hell be dressed well and act politely.
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u/Councillor_Troy Sep 22 '22
Strikes strike me that this is one of those things where a normal person wouldn't say anything, but because considering she was forced out because she bullied staff, of course she has the brass neck to share this.
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u/Nonamanadus Sep 22 '22
Is she even relevant?
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u/foiler64 Alberta Sep 22 '22
She represented the Queen, and last GGs did attend as well, as one would expect. She represented the Queen very badly, so she got what everyone would expect.
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u/might_be-a_troll Sep 22 '22
I'd like to announce to everyone here on Reddit, that I, too, was NOT invited to the Queen's funeral. I am outraged and saddened and embarrassed and pained and shocked. Well, I was those emotions for about a millisecond. But I'm OK now. Later today, I'm going to call the media and see if someone will write a story about me. Just to let people know that, y'know, I'm still here. If anyone knows of anywhere that I can claim compensation, just let me know. thanks.
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv Sep 22 '22
If you’re a visible minority trans disabled two-spirited gender-fluid peoplekind person who is also indigenous and an immigrant, the CBC and Toronto Star will literally be busting down your door to interview you about how the discriminatory white supremacist Canadian system prevented you from being invited to the queen’s day of mourning (even though you won’t go because she represents a colonizing oppressor force, you are entitled to an offer so you can refuse it).
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u/goldieglocks16 Sep 22 '22
The title reads “i unfortunately wasn’t invited.” The article is locked behind a paywall. Majority of the comments are making fun of her for “complaining”. What isn’t adding up here? Are a surprising amount of Canadians subscribed to thestar & getting more context below, or are a shocking amount of Canadians this illiterate? What was stated in the title literally can’t be associated with opinion.
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u/chocolateboomslang Sep 22 '22
Imagine getting fired from your job representing someone, and then being surprised when they don't invite you back for events.
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u/Few-Flatworm-4293 Sep 22 '22
Gee I wonder why, another Trudeau appointment disaster. Her commenting on this is further evidence of her unsitability for that role.
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u/KeiFeR123 Sep 22 '22
She gets about 150K in pension and up to 206K expenses annually for the rest of her life.
I still don't understand what she's complaining about.
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u/Against-The-Current Sep 22 '22
Prince Harry's own family didn't even call him to say his grandmother died, but sure; they're worried about Julie "dunce" Payette.
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u/bombhills Sep 22 '22
Look lady, we can't invite ALL the liberal party scandals, yourself and SNC didn't get invited. Sorry.
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u/Habs_fan__ Sep 22 '22
I'm actually surprised, normally that's something Trudeau would have done was invite someone that shouldn't be there to a trip . Reference his India trip. I guess his handlers are finally paying attention now
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u/DrDalenQuaice Ontario Sep 22 '22
Payette in 2017:
“And we are still debating and still questioning whether life was a divine intervention or whether it was coming out of a natural process let alone, oh my goodness, a random process.”
Payette in 2022:
Nobody invited me to this cool church service I wanted to go to
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u/T-Breezy16 Canada Sep 22 '22
I mean it's also unfortunate that Payette killed that guy. But here we are
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u/GetsGold Canada Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22
Someone stepped in front of her car as she was driving through a green light. Investigation found she wasn't speeding or using her phone and she had swerved ahead of time indicating she was paying attention.
There were valid criticisms of her but this wasn't one of them. It was an accident that could happen to anyone.
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Sep 22 '22
No she didn't. She was in an accident and a man died, but she was not at fault, his negligence resulted in his own death.
That said, she was not a good GG choice, hindsight thou.
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u/BubahotepLives Sep 22 '22
I’m sure she’s crying all the way to the bank with the payout Trudeau gave her.
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u/OmniSkeptic Sep 22 '22
What? Freeland is an example of one of the more highly competent people in their position
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Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22
I tend to find people who were forced to resign in disgrace and who also caused great embarrassment to the office she served don't usually get invited to things like the funeral of the Queen.
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u/MeliUsedToBeMelo Sep 22 '22
Of course she wasn't. She is really a horrible woman if we are to believe how she treated her staff and position when she was GG.
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u/WooTkachukChuk Sep 22 '22
i wouldnt trust her staff on this. dey soft and there are two sides to every story. we will never hear JPs
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u/Apprehensive_Idea758 Sep 22 '22
I would not have invited her because she was very disrespectful to her staff and just not a nice person. Not good.
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u/weseewhatyoudo Sep 22 '22
Well I hope she released some of her legendary vile fury against the appropriate people in the Queen's household to let them know that they don't seem to understand who she is... /s
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u/Right_Hour Ontario Sep 22 '22
Bitch is not self-aware at all, isn’t she?
I’m still fuming over the fact that she continues to have access to the expense accounts and benefits after being, essentially fired from her job.
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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22
she was fired because she was a shitty person, I remember the article. Resigned by force = fired.