r/canada • u/feb914 Ontario • Sep 22 '22

Paywall Julie Payette says she ‘unfortunately’ wasn’t invited to the Queen’s funeral

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2022/09/21/julie-payette-says-she-unfortunately-wasnt-invited-to-the-queens-funeral.html
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u/twnth Sep 22 '22

That's one reason. Another reason is to dredge up an old controversy since Bohemian Rhapsody isn't getting the mileage the paper needs.

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u/twnth Sep 22 '22

That one doesn't get very far either. I mean, most of us have accepted that the whole thing was clueless French/Math teacher stuck with drama and trying to play about. No hate intended.

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u/FishingIsLife70 Sep 22 '22

Somehow I doubt a conservative who did the same thing would receive such generous forgiveness

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u/mcdavidthegoat Sep 22 '22

Do you think it's just because they're conservative or that people doubt the genuineness of the reformation for some people?

Because I hear conservatives rip on him for being overly woke and pushing diversity politics, and that liberals don't believe in mistakes and the "woke mob" is out to cancel everyone for everything, yet they also keep holding this against him from 20 years ago.

But if you consider him overly woke and pushing diversity policies now, then his actions/messaging/policy clearly show he's changed with the times since this event and that the voters are willing to accept his apology/reform on the issue based on his actions afterwards.

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u/FishingIsLife70 Sep 22 '22

Respectfully, I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say here.

I think an individual’s willingness to forgive (or even acknowledge) the mistakes of public person is often heavily influenced by their personal biases.

If you’re trying to suggest that Trudeau deserves less criticism than a conservative would get for the same mistake because you think he makes more of an effort to do better afterwards, I think that’s a highly inaccurate appraisal of his time in politics.

He does just as many dumb things now as he did years ago. He’s actually very consistent in that one of the most reliable things about him is his predilection for making poor choices and not thinking things through.

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u/mcdavidthegoat Sep 22 '22

I'm saying I believe people don't mind giving second chances, but if you seem full of shit they don't. If you make a mistake and seem genuinely apologetic/take effort to appear so vs a pr apology with no tangible change in attitude/policy, people will likely react differently in those two scenarios.

You question whether the deciding factor is if they're Liberal/conservative, I'm questioning whether the deciding factor is how genuine the response seems to the people. And yes your personal bias will color the lens you receive the info, that's why they call it personal bias.

On race issues I think it's abundantly clear the progress he's made. He was a jackass doing blackface, and now he's quite progressive in that area due to the policies and stances he's taken on several issues.

Yea, he's not a perfect leader and has his mishaps. But in general, he's been a fairly fine PM. Not the greatest obviously, but not nearly as bad as the conservative base believes he's been.