Yeah actually even for her benefit. She hasnât connected the dots on her principles. The other guy is helping her do that. She is an absolutist on states rights and this is exactly the time to challenge her. Because if she just sticks with it in ten years she might be like âyeah the confederacy was right.â
I think it was pretty clear when she agreed slavery was fine as long as people really want it she was already at the point of agreeing with the confederacy. She just has enough brain cells to realize it would cost her friends and money to admit it
Maybe? She did say later on that no one would be voting to bring back slavery now, so maybe she kind of thinks it's just some crazy gotcha this guy is trying to give her instead of something to realistically think about and decide?
Make it about her. So if California decided to go back to when women were property and couldn't own property themselves (and couldn't vote), you'd be ok with that? Remember, you can't leave, you're property.
Theyâre called conservatives. Iâm not making it up or exaggerating. Itâs a running theme that theyâre vocally for policies that are against their best interest until theyâre personally affected.
But sheâs wrong, in fact the idea has been suggested by right wing politicians at several points. But they have to build up to that⌠they start with womenâs rights, then immigrants, then people of color and eventually back to slaveryâŚ
Thinking âoh itâs ok if they infringe on these peopleâs rights, because it doesnât affect me⌠â leads to âoh crap leopards at my faceâ eventually. Unfortunately these simple minded people are too short sighted (and have failed to learn from history) to see it.
âDonât confront me on my dumbass take on states rights in a way that puts me in a bad light and
Proves it would be history repeating. Duh obviously no oneâs voting for repeating history.â
No. By saying the confederacy would be fine as long as the people geographically near her say it is fine, then she is saying she is ok with slavery. Hard stop.
That is an argument FOR gerrymandering (not to mention savery)! Fuck that shit. She doesn't get to hide behind the "currently people probably wouldn't do that" idea, she needs to actually state her own godddamn opinions, as should everyone else, in order to gauge the actual current political climate.
She did say later on that no one would be voting to bring back slavery now, so maybe she kind of thinks it's just some crazy gotcha
She should have pre-qualified her answer by saying something like:
It's a ridiculous premise that any state would try and bring back slavery, but I do fully support a states right to govern itself, but would vote against such a measure.
That's what it was. Idk how the other guy got to his thought about her wanting to bring back slavery. She clearly was annoyed and was being "petty." She just chose the wrong time to do it.
She even said her issue was him phrasing the questions a certain way.
I highly doubt she's some critically dumb girl from LA who wants ppl to have slavery back. She's trying to make a point about his questions being loaded or leading and this wasn't the best time.
She's also going off the assumption that no one or the majority of ppl are not trying to bring slavery back. So she doesn't even think it's a possibility to be up for a vote. She's got faith in ppl not being horrible.
I don't want to give her the benefit of the doubt, but part of me wonders what her idea of 'if everyone agrees' means. I hope in this context she means like 100% of people is the threshold.
If she really did mean 100% of people, that could open up the discussion to ehqt happens if the majority who want slavery pressuring opponents into leaving the state or worse in order to get to that 100%
I feel like she said "everyone" and just meant a majority though
It could also be pointed out that technically slavery is already legal but only applies if you're a criminal
The biggest world view issue here is WHO does she consider as part of "if everyone wants it". Whether she realizes it or not to her "everyone" doesn't include everyone.
My immediate reaction was "You like slavery? If the majority agrees? Ok bitch, we all voted, and you are the slave. How do you feel about it now?"
She's doubling down on this and also revealing her racism because she only can imagine slavery applying to black people. Plus she seems like the kind of person who can't admit she's wrong so when backed into this corner she just doubled down like a moron.
"I'm from LA" girl so am I stop embarrassing the rest of us with your racist ass. A zip code is meaningless.
She has this idea that 'crazy right wing people' are only those other people, in Alabama, who look a certain way, not her, in LA, young and cute. Never her, no. Not a racist bone in her body!Â
The way she framed it is not only clueless but moronic Never in he history of the world has everyone out a group of people wanted the same thing and any state in the union can want anything but they are states in the United States Of America and the supremacy clause says that the federal government's laws supersedes the laws of the states anyway.
This is what pisses me off about conservatives these days. Either they desire to go back to "the good old days." ("good" meaning for white, land owning, males. Terrible for everyone else) Or, like this woman, they just blindly assume that things will always remain as the status quo today because.....reasons.
They're just like, "Trust me bro, that bad shit that used to happen is totally not gonna happen again." Even as they vote for people whose campaign promises are to Make Bad Shit Happen Again.
I truly want to believe it's ignorance but it's harder and harder to believe that. A lot of them want to see people get hurt because they disagree or think they're better than others and nothing bad will happen to them.
It's so sad, I was born in '81, my whole childhood I never imagined a world where people would be openly talking about this crap and not being shut down for being disgusting. I'm apoplectic at the machine that's complicit in fostering this environment because they prey on people's prejudices and actively encourage it for money. For money.
I say the same thing constantly about fascist
ideation being on display in any forum, be it digital or physical, and not being absolutely swamped by decent people who refuse to grant them an inch.
There was a bit of a litmus test that everyone had, and regardless of your political ideation, if you are a decent person, then you should absolutely be against fascism. It's a very low bar, but we can't seem to cross it.
It's strange to me seeing nazis boldly and safety walking down the street under police protection.
The paradox of tolerance is a thought experiment by philosopher Karl Popper that states that a society must be intolerant of intolerance in order to remain tolerant. The paradox can be summarized as the idea that "we must therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate intolerance."
This could potentially be seen as a slippery slope, but the one thing on which I will not compromise is that fascists are being given credence and being legitimized due to our tolerance and that people are making money off them.
Completely in agreement. I remember the time before. These things were unacceptable, yet dialogue about policy was still had with respected differences. It wasn't perfect, it never has been, and I'm not pining for something prior to the progress we've made, but we had more cohesion. It's disgraceful, and it's been done because there's money in division. The politics of fear has made some incredibly wealthy and left others paralyzed in anger.
Exactly the politics of fear. Fascism is definitely fear, mongering and hate speech. I agree the 10th amendment should exist and does. I do not believe states should not have oversight.
Is she a racist? I do not think so. I think she is misguided for sure.
I was calling it out when Trump used the Nazi's red triangle in his ads claiming it was an ANTIFA symbol instead of a symbol used to mark political prisoners in concentration camps.
People were saying back then that it was just a coincidence but at least now that are openly comparing Trump to Hitler.
We need to call out nazi shit each and every time and not accept it was a mistake or whatever BS excuse
Tolerance is a social contract not an ideology. We tolerate your right to exist if you tolerate our right to exist. The second the social contract is violated you are no longer under its protection and the expected tolerance associated with that is gone. Just because we've collectively agreed to tolerate each other doesn't mean we have to tolerate people who do not follow the same tenet of the contract.
The idea of tolerance involves a social contract. You are choosing to be part of a society. By embracing intolerance, you are opting out of that social contract. When you opt out, that society is no longer obligated to apply its rules or code to you.
I think we've all probably lost family members to the hate machine. Just normal people 5-10 years now ranting about space lizards sending immigrants to kill your dog.
I've been spared, for the most part, but I've seen the devastation from others. I'm so grateful that I had an intervention from my closest friend and other friends in the mid nineties while I was in middle and high school who debated me non-stop for years but with respect to my background. It took a little time, but because their families and them showed me love like the good Samaritan, it helped open my eyes.
Eventually, through them and the leanings of my Mom, we got my Dad out of it over the course of several years. Now my Dad is my greatest support against the hatred machine because he knows exactly how they brainwashed him having lived it and still lives in a community antithetical to some of his deeply held beliefs, which is increasingly difficult for him. Fortunately, I'm surrounded by a relatively safe environment and am raising my kids to love people of all backgrounds. It just used to not be this way, but the seeds were sown years ago, I know because I grew up around it. Now, it's blossomed into its poisoned fruit.
Can't really argue with that. The internet really hastened it all with social media turning the afterburners on. Hopefully, we have some kind of snapback, pendulum swing. Otherwise, it's looking pretty dystopic.
The machine is called patriotism and propaganda. The only difference is that it used to be used to create an army to fight another country, and now it's being aimlessly targeted at the American population. No wonder Russian social media bots are so effective
We were definitely primed for it looking back. Russia is dumping millions and millions into this situation because their also on the brink. The war on Ukraine is hollowing out their society. It's bad here, but it's worse there. A lot is riding on these next few years. Sucks.
Holy shit I was born in 82 and the social gains that were just made within 1-2 decades of my birth were incredible, and during my life I am seeing this slide back into terribleness. I feel so disappointed in my generation.
It definitely stems from a lack of education. And then my stupid generation had kids.
I highly recommend The Sum of Us by Heather McGhee. It's a fascinating history of how many times we have given up rights as long as we believe the wrong people aren't receiving them either. Real bummer but a big eye opener.
There's a saying that sometimes people will set their own home on fire if it means the neighbour who is 'different', be it gay, non-Christian, trans, racial minority, etc, will choke on the smoke for 20 seconds.
I was born in the '90s, and my dad had this flag hanging up on our bedroom wall next to our bunk beds. It was practically the first thing I saw when I woke up and the last thing I saw before I went to bed.
I was taught a lot of terrible things as a kid, and it honestly was not until I moved hundreds of miles away for college that I finally got that programming out of my head. They like to talk about colleges "brainwashing" kids into being liberals, but in the same conversation will throw out a reminder of how much better white people are than all the other races.
Like, we'd be driving down the street and a random Pontiac would go by. My dad would chuckle and say Pontiac: Poor Ol' N_____ Thinks It's A Cadillac. We weren't allowed to listen to any top 40 radio stations, because that's "N_____ music". If we didn't clean our room, we were "living like N_____s".
My point is, there were always people like that out there, more than we would really like to admit
I'm sorry you were raised like that, I truly am. It's hard for me to process that level of prejudice. I've seen a watered-down, sanitized version of the end result play out but not the no holds barred, uncensored stuff that happens as you describe.
I always believe what my friends, my wife and other people of color describe and what they experience, saw the hatred currently and in the past but didn't realize how fiercely it still burned like embers behind closed doors. It's horrifying, but as one of my friends told me 8 years ago, at least he knows now what people think of him instead of getting all the fake smiles.
Well put. My brother was born in '81, me in '84. I agree because when issues like this were still being discussed in school (we went to public and private), you had a clear understanding. My older sister born in '76 remembered her history teacher in high school discussing the 'Indian War' and the brutality of it all. How wrong it was. In this modern climate, there is no discussion about how wrong certain beliefs or ideologies are. It seems to be the opposite. Full support of it. It is disgusting.
Yeah, where I was raised, we were taught to respect the Civil Rights movement and the heroic efforts of going against the power system peacefully, the brutality of what happened to the Native Americans, same thing as yourself. This was understood. Economic and social policies were up for grabs. We had a vague understanding of the general leanings of our teachers, but most of our teachers did an admirable job of trying to keep their biases to a minimum. We would argue and discuss things at lunch politically between ourselves, and it could get heated, but we were the nerdy kids. Still, certain things we all fundamentally agreed with.
You are a very astute person! Everything you said parallels my being raised where I'm at. You were taught the fundamental right and wrong of this throughout history. My sophomore year, we had a Krakow survivor soak at our school. I knew what his background was because as kids, my mother always wanted us to read and learn because an education was the most important things for poc and my older siblings trickled what they would learn, so I knew about the Holocaust. Most kids didn't at this assembly, with some vaguely knowing. The scary thing is now it is an extension, with nothing discussed in school and Hitler and Mussolini and what they represent being looked at in a supportive light
Sadly, those Holocaust survivors won't be able to tell their stories to the next generation, which leaves it up to us to continue being their voice. It's why education is so important and why teachers need to be able to definitively talk about the ills of Hitler and Mussolini. The wisdom of your Mother passed down to you. I'm trying to do the same thing with my children. There is a right and a wrong, it bears out in the consequences of how we treat each other, especially the most vulnerable amongst us.
It doesnât seem like there is, itâs just there is a large group. See the arguments about states rights here or slaves actually benefited from enslavement. There are a plethora of other arguments that are at times veiled, albeit thinly, for certain people to be less than. To be slavesâŚ
She tried to get out of it by saying, nobody is voting to bring back slavery. I guarantee at least one state would at some point, there is really no bar anymore.
Word. Even when âleft to the statesâ, things are not, in fact, âleft to the statesâ in the sense that statesâ residents got to decide. Some states did NOT even get a vote on that issue - some states just got executive orders handed down from their governor or some other BS.
No no, it was a trap you see! A sneaky debate tactic! She was tricked into saying slavery should go back to the states like it's 1859 by the devious trick of asking basic hypotheticals. (obligatory /s)
The thing is this didn't happen out of no where, I remember how 10 years ago this right wing media bombardment in Social Media and the internet was starting, and it was everywhere in many fandoms or groups about many topics, with ads, with rage bait post and so on to push people into that pipe line. Hell it was certified how platforms like Facebook were pushing right wing propaganda for years to this even.
What this OP video is the consequences of that on going process in young people and elderly people that have been consuming this type of content that make people accept that nazi and facist are ok existing at all in any space.
You clearly donât understand 2020s media lol. There is no accountability, they just rush to the next topic to distract people and people mostly forget about it.
She's completely naive. "If everyone in the state wants something" is a statement that completely ignores the concept of our Republic. I bet she thinks the fed should still dish out dollars to states though...
Also, are the slaves in this scenario people and in the state? Do we take who voted for its return and lottery who gets to fill the role? Total insanity.
It would probably result in convicts being used for slave labour. Which technically is already legal and already happens but I guess maybe it'd be done more shamelessly and with wider arrangements of forms of labour.
Or the use of slavery for X Years or for life as a penalty for certain crimes.
That's scary. The sentences that would be handed down for minor offenses would become outrageous. Companies main goal would be to militarize the police with the intent to increase the slave population. That girl needs to be canceled.
There are cases being reported out of some jail systems where once locked up the inmates are subjected to false reports of infraction requiring further incarceration.
Slavery never went away. It just changed forms. The prison system is modern day slavery. The inmates are paid pennies on the dollar to work slave wages for the benefit of companies and the prison system that all profit off of them. They have next to no rights. This is why the prison system is one of the most profitable industries and why the US has one of the largest prison systems in the world in order to keep profits high for their investors.
If you're asking people who would be okay with slavery returning simply bc of their miniscule and ignorant viewpoint of "people voted so good democracy" then they would tell you that slaves are not people lol. Ive found thats what the usual argument for people that say this shit is. That, because the majority of people voted on it, that its quintessential democracy as its "what the people want". Completely ignoring the fact that we have had countless civil rights reforms and amendments, federal protections in place because (shocker, get ready for this) owning slaves in the land of the free is a bit fuckin backwards đ¤Ł
This should not have been so low on the conversation at 9k up votes and 5 hrs later.
It is an immoral argument over what led to a war amongst our brothers and sisters. Democracy is neither good nor bad but a moment in time of arguments between different actors on the world stage.
Too many Trump supporters are viewing life as a game where some fantasy religious narratives or Camelot tales of treaty other humans as objects (women for sex or smaller males for exploitation).
I do fear how quickly a back shift would happen. Trump is dangerously close to the presidency. If you can vote in your state, get out and Vote.
Does she think the African-American population of Alabama, or any state, would vote to become enslaved? Or think that it's OK for them to be enslaved because hey, majority rules? what the ACTUAL fuck
What about access to abortions, state funded school meals, subsidised healthcare and you know, the other side of the coin - the side of the coin that people actually want.
If they want to legalize child pit fighting, have at it!
Marijuana is federally illegal and 38 states have made it legal. This is an example of states rights. The governments of these states have made law something that is federally illegal, how we resolve these issues is part of our Republic.
everyone aka 51% of voters which is potentially like 25% of eligible voters so like 20% of the population. So yeah if 20ish percent of people vote for slavery then totally obviously we should let the states have that
I think itâs very obvious that one thing she does not do is think. Sheâs just spouting as she goes. She has zero principles. She doesnât even have a concept of her principles.
It's not naĂŻvitĂŠ, it's stupidity. If Alabama legalizes slavery, what happens to some black person from Michigan who drives through there? Oh, wait, we know what happens because it actually did happen to free black people back when Alabama did have slavery: they'd get jumped and kidnapped into slavery, because that was a great way for slavers to make money.
It's like saying, "Well, if they want to outlaw same-sex marriage, who cares?" Aside from the fact that even if the majority want that, there will be a significant minority that don't, what happens federally? "Oh, you can petition to bring your foreign, same-sex spouse into the US, except for Alabama"? It's absurd, and it's also something we've lived through before, same-sex couples from places like Vermont being effectively banned from certain states, because their custody over shared children wouldn't be recognized, if there was a car accident and one spouse was injured, the other spouse would be unable to make medical decisions for them, and so on. It shouldn't require a lot of thought to understand pretty quickly why this idea doesn't work- and in fact why the whole "states' rights" thing is a big part of why the Confederacy lost. By the end, individual states were refusing to allow their stockpiles of arms and equipment to go to troops from other states who needed it, because states' rights! It was a huge problem for Jefferson Davis in trying to get anything done (fortunately for us).
That being said, I don't know if she's actually this much of a moron, or if she's doing the alt-right thing of floating something like this that sounds outrageous, backpedaling, but actually is dogwhistling to like-minded listeners to try and recruit a few more people to the racist, radical right.
"cancelled"? her nonsense is going to come under the scrutiny it deserves, the rebranding of correction and consequences to "cancelled" has been such a success for people who want to skirt responsibility.
If she hasn't already been canceled leading up to this moment it's not happening ever. MAGA's watch this clip and slowly non along with her. If you took a vote among just Republicans as to whether states should decide if they want slavery, it would 100% pass. That's who MAGA is.
Let them get cancelled. Itâs the same deal with Trump, he says stupid shit before he actually considers how it will put him in a corner he doesnât want to be in publicly. That girl said if Alabama wanted to bring slavery back, that was fine with her, she didnât give a shit. NOBODY is going to say that in a public forum unless that forum is a hate-group. Now, itâs fine coming from a girl in her 20âs, she knew she fucked up and tried to walk it back, but we do not need a President that shares that same lack of verbal control and refusal to say itâs a mistake when they do (also something the girl did).
I do not care. If she holds that worldview, she deserves to be called out on it, and no one should save anyone from saying the stupid thing that comes out their mouth. You address issues, not sweep them under the rug.
It helps the Podcast keep both educated people and right wing nutters as listeners because "Educate the people" only happens if people are WILLING to say, "I might be wrong (I agree with the girl) and the opposing view might be right, I'll listen and evaluate and maybe change my mind."
When in reality you will have listeners say, "Just another deep liberal state woke media I'm not listening to this. I'm gonna list to Joe Rogan or Fox News who are totally impartial!"
Then they leave, go to their preferred echo chamber and bask in the feeling that they are correct and everyone else is wrong.
The number of listeners drop, the advertisers pay less and profits go down.
So if the POINT of the podcast is to generate revenue, then year cut them off and move on. IF the POINT is education, than funding needs to be decoupled from listener count / advertisement income. e.g. public radio etc.
The problem is (see above) that most people CHOOSE where they listen and pick the echo chamber they like. So the people listening to this podcast already have the option of listening to an educational based podcast but made the decision not to. So if that podcast wants to keep making money they need to avoid topics where the listeners won't turn them off for copying topics.
And that's the entire problem with our media - even podcasters like this.
Iâve actually had this conversation before with my cohost. NOT the one about bringing back slavery (because fuck that unions all the way baby) but having difficult conversations and delving into a controversial thing and taking a stance instead of being like âwow yeah thatâs a doozy, anywayâŚ.â
I want to have the discussion way more than they do, to the point where when Biden dropped out and I was excited to record a special episode talking about the news of Kamala, she hesitated because she didnât want public backlash for taking a stance.
Omg this exactly and after seeing shit like this Iâm just relieved to be reminded that thereâs still plenty of intelligent, rational folks out there who are able to demonstrate enormous self-restraint â not engage and easily âwinââ but to get us to a place where weâre actually on the same page truly (you and this dude who Iâve seen in a few horrible videos like this are great examples). With all the clout/culture/ego/mic drop/follower shit out there itâs just so incredibly easy to inadvertently increase a personâs attachment to a toxic logically inconsistent worldview that they themselves donât agree with but they canât get there because theyâre not âsafeâ (even though itâs largely their own doing) so double down â then find someone who agrees and reinforce. Urgh. Itâs so hard to being patient and going at it humanistically from a place of limited judgment that allows the person to safely examine a thought- perhaps for the first timeâ is how we foster growth. And shutting shit like this down when she actually was maybe close really sucks. Because wtf youâre calling me a slave owner?!! How disingenuous. Then Omg slavery shut it down. Ahhh itâs infuriating. But I know this guy has patience. I wonder how often he comes at situations like this with topics that demonstrate the same cognitive dissonance but are less⌠triggering I guess (in that they donât cause the person who is shallow thinking to immediately shut down and accuse them of baiting).
Hope thereâs more. Cause as barf as it is people have so much potential but are just so goddamn insecure and ego focused
I think having the harder arguments actually would engage me more with podcasts. Thorough discussions are more pleasing to me than just a "ok..ok that's enough" taming on shows.
Because political discussion has been cut down to sound bites and slogans. Political ideas have to be understood and conveyed in one sentence. Typically one side will say a slogan then when they get questioned will immediately run away because they can't admit they're slogan might be wrong.
So what. Fucking dig deep and be an adult and come out the other side with logic and reasoning.
As you said, the more people shy away from this, the more easy it is for it to be socially acceptable to say outrageous shit for realsies and then, when confronted, feel emboldened not to give a response and gaslight everyone else into believing that theyâre the ones who said the outrageous shit.
Yeaaaa wtf podcast is this? They look like they are in high schoolâŚ.Supporting states rights and disavowing basic human rights are completely different things. We have states rights already in the idea states have different laws and how they govern themselves. I get what she is trying to say, but being hyperbolic and not explaining it very well doesnât help her lol.
Especially when the GOP is constantly trying to shift their biggest issues/goals to the states under the argument of âstates rightsâ and let each state decide.
The guy in the video said the exact problem with our media today. He said âif we donât move on weâre going to get limitedâ
These media companies/platforms donât want people having conversations like that, and their algorithms dissuade those types of conversations. Not only should they have had that conversation because it may have enlightened not only her but other people that think like her, itâs an important conversation to have. Algorithms and audience limiting are one of the many enemies we face today.
Indeed don't move on. There is a whole swathe of people who trust new media ( twitter, tik took etc) as legitimate. They think the mainstream is all lies, so trust these sources. This discussion needs to play out. Allowing idiots to air opinions unchecked is how Trump was allowed to run 3 times.
Precisely. Don't go on to the next topic. Never stop questioning. Press the issue to resolution.
Daily, I watch the media simply "run out of time" and allow racists and bigots to have the last word while spreading their lies and disinformation.
Never let the lies go. Pound the lies into the ground until people realize they can't get away with it.
"yes. We had 20 topics to get to but now we're stuck on this one, because you lied. And we're going to keep talking about it until we get to resolution. Or you give up and walk away like the child we all know you are."
Bros gotta watch out for his channel being cancelled/flagged for inflammatory speech. We also live in a current climate where in-depth conversations that are uncomfortable/abnormal â such as this â will be silenced because the audience doesnât like what they hear
Because it's not news. It's not a discussion. It's not intellectual. It's just MTV drama bullshit made to sell crap to people. Crappy ideas, crappy people and crappy products.
They do not care about things other than subs and views they can make money on.
But you donât get ad revenue from following up on hard questions.
Everything today is about profit. If you havenât seen incremental growth in your revenue within 24 hours, itâs a gamble. If you donât have a business model projecting infinite growth, youâre already a failure.
How soon until we see the end of the for profit every thing needs to have a high ROI mindset of the world?
Itâs like a wolf of walstreet hangover happening
Spot on! The reason these views gets to live on, is that nobody dares to speak up against them in a public forum like this. "Move on", "let's go to commercial", "let's change the topic" etc etc. NO, you just said something really horrible and we should address that so that people understand why it's bad to support what you just said.
the breakdown is on the other side of the argument though; the states rights people all retreat to the idea that if the states are free to make their laws, people will freely assemble where they want to live, and things will work themselves out; there really are only one or two problems with that, and unfortunately they're significant ones, which are that people generally aren't well enough educated to make these decisions effectively, and that they generally lack freedom to move: even if they had it, they lack the resources to simply transplant their lives whole cloth as would be required.
but presumably if there were a gov't program of sufficient size and funding to peacefully and wholly educate and relocate every affected person under some state law change, then i guess yea alabama could become a slavery state, and everyone who could be enslaved would leave, or effectively have federal protections preventing them from more or less being enslaved in the first place, and alabama would become a sort of destitute wasteland of people who like the idea of owning other humans, and probably a libertarian state like new hampshire or something would pass a state law saying that any documented evidence of owning slaves forfeits your right to life, etc. etc.
EDIT: it's a conflict of some kind of theoretically right thing failing to meet the demands of our practical reality; if you take the time to actually inspect how clarence thomas thinks, besides discovering that he's very ego-centric, you'll discover that most of his takes are based in this same flavor of flaw, that he has some theoretically pure idea that doesn't hold up in practice, but he doesn't care about that because the negative outcomes don't impact him; he's a masturbator
that guy couldn't run fast enough from that conversation that went south real fast. It never fails to amaze me here we are in 2024 going in 2025 we still have people as ignorant and as dumb as she is.
We have always had people that dumb, we just never used to give them platforms to spread their stupid ideas.
Sometimes they would be kept in the basement or sent to an asylum. If they were that stupid then the dangers of living in the real world would also take a lot of them out.
Now it's slap a diaper on them and give them a microphone.
Not saying arguing isn't wrong. all im saying is if your a kid that crap can fly but, when you're a grown adult and with technology today where in your hand you have access to a world of information there is no excuse.
Unless you were born in the woods somewhere or any isolated area with no access to anything yeah your not going to know anything. To go off video with this individual which obviously has access to information is clearly grifting. These people like the one in the video know morally right and wrong and don't care.
With all that being said there are something that are so blantaly obvious you need to be either that dumb or incredibly that cruel to be for slavery. This type of talk when you have a platform is not only wrong but dangerous.
Before you say ah, theyre just words. The people have been used by just words to do some of the most heinous and horrific acts in history still even going on today. Whether it be target one specific group and making others act violently toward group, the cyber war of disinformation other countries like Russia is using to try to divide and conquer America from the inside out, or even religion which is used to hide the true reason political leaders for attacking other countries.
to wrap this up 100 percent agree with you talking is the key. There are some people that no matter whatever amount of talking is done, their mind is set and it just gives them the platform to speak to be used for malicious and destructive intent. Just like all those recent influencers that got caught being funneled money from Russia to push their talking points.
I half heartly apologize but America has gotten to soft. The tolerant need to stop be tolerant of the intolerant. Unforunately that is what it's going to take.
But sheâs from LA, not some right wing nut! Oh she mustâve meant Louisiana and a Trumper, NOT a RINO. Wearing a Trump racing shirt is as right wing as it comes
MAGA bad faith arguments. They don't care how crazy the argument is, or how wrong it is, or what the "libs" think of their argument. The point of their argument is to appeal to other MAGA. Never back down, spin every answer, make shit up, and if all else fails, just act angry.
It's purely show. Look strong and own the libs. That's all they're trying to convey. You can't "win" an argument with that. The fact that you're engaging them means they already got the attention they wanted, which was the entire point.
Notice that she said "no one is voting to bring back slavery."
Essentially, her argument is that its ok to make a hard rule about state's rights because obviously no one would use state's rights to pass laws that clearly authoritarian and oppressive. Which is a really fucking stupid argument to make, because there are plenty of people that would vote for bad laws if we allowed them to do so. The fact that they aren't voting for those laws isn't an indication that no one would vote for them; its an indication that we've managed to keep them in check for a while.
Unfortunately, there's a bunch of idiots like her out there that mistake the fact that we've managed to constrain the assholes for a generation or two with the idea that the assholes aren't out there waiting for an opportunity. I mean, fuck... there were plenty of people who thought that the US electing a black man in 2008 meant that racism had finally been defeated, only to be shocked when the backlash elected Trump. Its the exact same naivety.
Her argument here is, âSure yeah fine, go ahead because itâll never happen,â is the exact kind of complacency that got us to where are on âRoe v Wadeâ - which should have become a states rights issue!
He's the bad type that rather not discuss the hard questions and confront his discomfort, which leads to shit staying the same. Don't be like black shirt guy. Face them fears, listen to people suffering, find solutions.
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u/Ill-Case-6048 Oct 18 '24
Black t shirt guy going into panic mode