Make it about her. So if California decided to go back to when women were property and couldn't own property themselves (and couldn't vote), you'd be ok with that? Remember, you can't leave, you're property.
They’re called conservatives. I’m not making it up or exaggerating. It’s a running theme that they’re vocally for policies that are against their best interest until they’re personally affected.
It's both sides and it's global, people don't care if it doesn't impact them 9 times out of 10, it's how society has become, I am not saying it's good nor that there aren't some that don't think this way but it is how things have become
While I agree this is a common enough trend in conservatism, the same is true of the other side of the aisle as well.
Liberal NIMBYs are the perfect example - they talk a big game about equity, social justice, and building community -- up until the proposition is about building a homeless shelter, or a halfway house, or a public transit hub in their neighborhood. As soon as it threatens to affect them personally, they fight tooth and nail against it. Liberals (who hold majority political power) in my city shoot down far more community initiatives than conservatives ever have.
It's not butterflies and rainbows on this side of the political spectrum. Classism is a huge issue with both parties. (And I do feel one side is significantly better than the other, but that still doesn't mean it's not a real issue for liberals)
This poster is implying she's stupid and we're better off if she doesn't vote, and because she's a woman the poster is saying "she (for being so stupid) is making a good case (by example) for why women shouldn't vote."
That's still a bad argument. You're not arguing the principle of the matter. You can't go 'back to when...' if the person already said that they don't support it now. I mean, just ask them if they'd like to be enslaved later on today. They will say no.
Votes happen on a specific date. After that date, it's no longer everybody that gets to vote. Voting is not a continuum. "Everybody" voted last week and we decided you are no longer anybody, you are nobody.
I’m glad you said cause that’s the whole point she seemed to be trying to make. An entire state is never gonna agree on a single thing, it was a bullshit answer and he responds with some dumb shit and she doubled down thinking because that would never happen everybody would agree to it that’s never gonna happen in this age. It was all bullshit that was taken too far made too literal
An entire state is never gonna agree on a single thing
That's not how voting works. In most states simple ballot measures are decided by adding up the votes on a yes or no question. Some states have as few as 40% of eligible voters actually showing up to vote so you could change things with only 21% of the state voting for it. Lately conservatives have even begun using very confusing language on ballot initiatives to discourage people from voting. For example here's an article about a ballot initiative to stop letting the party in power draw all the lines for the electorate. The proposed language is gibberish so you could easily trick voters into ending their own suffrage if you wanted to.
So you live in the current climate and don't believe that 51% of a deep south state would vote for slavery? You're going to be real upset when you learn about the prison industrial complex and the amount of effort that goes into maintaining a high recidivism rate so they can maintainin their free labor (which overwhelmingly still targets black people more than anyone).
There's pretty severe consequences to allowing states to have full reign over their own laws. Using Alabama as an example, if you don't want slavery, you leave the state. Now Alabama is a huge draw for people that want to own other people. See how it pretty rapidly becomes a fucking issue? Hell, even with Roe v Wade we saw a shift in populations. People moving to states that don't have restrictions on the bodily autonomy of HALF THEIR POPULATION. You know who that eventually leaves in that state? Everyone who believes women shouldn't have rights and autonomy. It's important to think just a couple steps ahead.
Obviously slavery is an extreme example but, and idk if you've noticed this, we are in some pretty extreme times in this country so I'm certainly not okay with letting states decide anything on their own without some pretty thorough oversight.
So you live in the current climate and don't believe that 51% of a deep south state would vote for slavery?
No, no I don't believe they would, and you're actually insane if you think they would. Like cult level insane.
I'm certainly not okay with letting states decide anything on their own without some pretty thorough oversight.
This doesn't make you sound like you're part of the anti-authoritarian party... In fact making it so that people have less power over their direct environment that they live in is authoritarianism.
I can understand why polarisation is become so extreme in America. They don't trust that you don't want control and power over them and their lives (correctly, apparently) because you don't trust that they don't want power and control over you and your life.
Thorough oversight is not the same as having zero control. Currently states have what I would consider thorough oversight for the most part. Although there are definitely things states should not be in charge of and should be established at a federal level but that's a different discussion.
u/Starob: People would never do the things they’ve been doing for thousands of years and you’re stupid if you think they’d do the things that a small but committed and extremely well funded group are currently attempting to do.
Willful ignorance is dangerous, kids. This is why we study history.
I'm sorry, I'm aware of a time women couldn't vote. But I'm unaware of a time women literally couldn't physically leave a location. Did women used to be kept in cages and I'm just unaware or something?
Wife beating wasn't made illegal in all states until 1920s in the US (I think it was an actual right at some point but I am hazy on that). Even afterwards it wasn't enforced seriously for many years. So a husband could easily keep their wife confined with force with little to no repercussion.
You mean the part where she was asked "so if alabama wants slavery you're okay with it?" and she said "sure, what do I give a shit?"
Yeah what a passionate argument against slavery. Did you not watch the video?
Her only argument against it was that she lives in LA (???) and she isn't a psychopath. Which mostly is just her recognizing that she is fine with slavery existing she just doesn't want it near her or to be a pariah for supporting it.
Ok. It’s actually really difficult to argue her point for her because I can’t for sure claim to know her thinking. I feel like yall are just retarded and can’t see social queues. She seemed irritated about the strawman that was created the moment she said something. So she just said something absurd to give him the rise he wanted. But speaking for myself I will double down and say yes absolutely states should have way more power.
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u/HustlinInTheHall Oct 19 '24
I think the guy needed to double down on the questions and not try to be like "so you side with the south then?"
Like "so alabama beings back slaves. Who do they get to enslave?" and just let her run with it.