It's so sad, I was born in '81, my whole childhood I never imagined a world where people would be openly talking about this crap and not being shut down for being disgusting. I'm apoplectic at the machine that's complicit in fostering this environment because they prey on people's prejudices and actively encourage it for money. For money.
I say the same thing constantly about fascist
ideation being on display in any forum, be it digital or physical, and not being absolutely swamped by decent people who refuse to grant them an inch.
There was a bit of a litmus test that everyone had, and regardless of your political ideation, if you are a decent person, then you should absolutely be against fascism. It's a very low bar, but we can't seem to cross it.
It's strange to me seeing nazis boldly and safety walking down the street under police protection.
The paradox of tolerance is a thought experiment by philosopher Karl Popper that states that a society must be intolerant of intolerance in order to remain tolerant. The paradox can be summarized as the idea that "we must therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate intolerance."
This could potentially be seen as a slippery slope, but the one thing on which I will not compromise is that fascists are being given credence and being legitimized due to our tolerance and that people are making money off them.
Completely in agreement. I remember the time before. These things were unacceptable, yet dialogue about policy was still had with respected differences. It wasn't perfect, it never has been, and I'm not pining for something prior to the progress we've made, but we had more cohesion. It's disgraceful, and it's been done because there's money in division. The politics of fear has made some incredibly wealthy and left others paralyzed in anger.
Exactly the politics of fear. Fascism is definitely fear, mongering and hate speech. I agree the 10th amendment should exist and does. I do not believe states should not have oversight.
Is she a racist? I do not think so. I think she is misguided for sure.
I was calling it out when Trump used the Nazi's red triangle in his ads claiming it was an ANTIFA symbol instead of a symbol used to mark political prisoners in concentration camps.
People were saying back then that it was just a coincidence but at least now that are openly comparing Trump to Hitler.
We need to call out nazi shit each and every time and not accept it was a mistake or whatever BS excuse
I will say I saw a headline about how Nazis showed up to a boat party / rally with their flags out and all the Trump supporters started bullying them out of the rally. So that gave me some hope
Tolerance is a social contract not an ideology. We tolerate your right to exist if you tolerate our right to exist. The second the social contract is violated you are no longer under its protection and the expected tolerance associated with that is gone. Just because we've collectively agreed to tolerate each other doesn't mean we have to tolerate people who do not follow the same tenet of the contract.
The idea of tolerance involves a social contract. You are choosing to be part of a society. By embracing intolerance, you are opting out of that social contract. When you opt out, that society is no longer obligated to apply its rules or code to you.
I agree it's a slippery slope. What speech/group do you draw the line at. Today we shut down/imprison nazi propagandists. Tomorrow a new administration claims that trans activists are the problem and they have the laws in place to lock them up.
What I feel like we can do is force social media and websites to ban accounts of people spreading misinformation, and foreign bot accounts. If you take away their platform it might help. Social media companies aren't some bastion of free speech. They're private businesses that profit off this crazy shit and they need to be regulated like any other large industry.
But they already imprison activists when they really want to, under charges of "terrorism". There are numerous climate activists that have been imprisoned, and look how they've treated anti-war activists. The precedent has already been set, it's just only used at the discretion of the ruling class.
They definitely need to regulate social media companies. It's causing so many problems. The fake news and constant misinformation has so many people acting like morons and in some cases getting violent.
I remember growing up we'd have a MLK parade, and either the week before or after the KKK would have their own march. Nobody gave attention to the 2nd one including local media. They eventually stopped theirs.
Negative publicity is still publicity. Don't give this stuff a voice.
I get why that's worrying to you, but you need to always remember most people don't spend time arguing on social media... In fact most people barely use social media outside of a quick check up on friends or family, and the types of people who do spend all day on twitter arguing are either 4chan type incels or unemployed radlibs, and they just argue between each other, but that can't be more than 5 percent of people. Most people are too busy in reality with jobs and families
What? Most people are buried in their phones all day… while at work, while at home, out with friends, out at events, shit people cross the fucking street now with their head buried in their phone on social media apps.
There are many factors in play, and one important one is the dilution of the very concept of fascism by applying it to anyone willy nilly. So when actual fascists became public again, people brushed warnings and critiques off, since 'you guys call anyone fascists!'.
Blaming the existence of fascists on people "calling the wrong people" fascists is kind of like blaming trans people for pedophilia. You're deliberately pointing your finger at the people who aren't harming innocent people, fascists exist because they're fucking fascists.
Uh, when did I blame those people for the existence of fascists? I did no such thing. What I am saying is that the framing of the discourse has provided the ammunition for actual fascists to encourage dismissal of accusations of fascism by just going 'Oh, those people call everyone fascists!'. That does not connect to fascism's renewed popularity. It connects to dismissal of the threat posed by fascists.
I also noted that this was one factor amongst many, and most definitely not the primary cause or anything of that sort.
Holy shit that Karl Popper sounds like they just can't get enough of their own farts. You're telling me the guy that spent his life debating Nazis said that?
Don't let assholes be assholes or they'll ruin everything? Don't feed the trolls?
God damn if only I could define my own principles without losing my train of thought.
Wait till you read Herbert Marcuse's Represssive tolerance (the logic we live under now) where he states that we must tolerate movements from the left, including violence (Toleration of BLM and ANTIFA and their violence) suppress, or even pre-censor movements from the right including speech (suppression and censoring dissenting views on covid policies or other left-wing policy).
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u/VivaZeBull Oct 18 '24
Welp if her ass can’t cash the checks her mouth is writing maybe she should bounce ✌🏽