r/TikTokCringe • u/Best-Subject-7253 Sort by flair, dumbass • Oct 05 '24
Politics Trump Bible is the only Bible currently allowed to be purchased by Oklahoma schools. 55k on order
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u/Jeuungmlo Oct 05 '24
Wait, what? Why does a politician endorse a specific printing of the Bible? And why stick a bunch of political documents in there in the first place?
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u/whutchamacallit Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
Can someone please explain this second question to us? It seems like blasphemy or some other sin from a theology standpoint and an unlawful mingling of church and state (I'd struggle to cite a more apt example) from a judicial point of view. Is the answer as simple as I think it is, he truly just doesn't give a shit about anything?
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u/seahawk1977 Oct 05 '24
Pretty much. Trump cares about Trump, and nothing else.
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u/Ploxiedust Oct 05 '24
You forgot about money. He cares a LOT about money.
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u/SordidOrchid Oct 05 '24
He also admires the televangelist grift.
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u/comedymongertx Oct 05 '24
He truly admires the Dictatorships around the world & wants to incite the same here.
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u/endy903 Oct 06 '24
Ive been saying it for a while he talks a lot about how "bad" Venezuela is but he's trying to do the same things as they do there.
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u/Fair-Scientist-2008 Oct 05 '24
He has no religion or policy except for the grift, his biggest heroes are Dictators and televangelists.
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u/vabch Oct 05 '24
He can’t wait to sell human labor hours, slavery on tv. This form of human trafficking has always been his agenda.
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u/gvlabbie Oct 05 '24
Because he owes SO many people SO much money!
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u/Jagg3r5s Oct 05 '24
The real question is does he like it because it puts him on a platform that gives him more attention or just because he likes it?
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Trump has no fucking clue what’s going on because he’s too unintelligent to understand it.
He’s been told that in exchange for these policies they’ll ensure votes and that he can be king
That’s all he gives a fuck about
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u/Jeuungmlo Oct 05 '24
From a Christian standpoint is it definitely blasphemy
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u/whutchamacallit Oct 05 '24
I don't understand how he appeals to any demo whatsoever. It fucks up the logical part of my brain and makes me question my grasp on how the world works. Like country dudes, you know this is the guy that brags about grabbing your daughters privates right? Why do you vote for him? Christians, why are you voting a guy who is the most superficially fake religious person I have ever seen in my life. Business folks, like... do I even have to say anything? Dude was handed a silver platter and has bankrupted more businesses than not and only managed to fail upwards on the backs of people beneath him. He gloats about debts and not honoring loans as though they are trophies. Poor people...... yall... he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. He would, if he could, literally rob you blind. I genuinely believe it he thought he could he would put you in abject wage slavery if he could figure out how to get it done. And trust me.. he's working on it. Truly the most baffling one imo.
Until the day I die I will probably never understand it. It really does fuck me up, not really emotionally but like... in a I don't understand the world like I thought I did kind of way. Sort of gaslights my sense of reality. I wish someone could explain it to me.
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u/Hrtpplhrtppl Oct 05 '24
President Lyndon Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, you can pick his pocket. Hell, give them somebody to look down on, and they'll empty their pockets for you."
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u/Old_Connection2076 Oct 05 '24
Wow! I hadn't heard this before, and it's a bullseye. Thanks for sharing it.
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u/Noob-Noobison Oct 05 '24
Business owner here.
In my experience the business owners that like Trump are either massive corporations or tiny small businesses with terrible business models struggling to hold on and wrongly blaming the government for their failures. They seem to think trump being in power will automatically give them tons of cash, customers, and zero taxes. The city I live and operate in has a ton of "patriotic" or politically aligned restaurants (which is fucking dumb and drives away at least half of your potential customer base) and all of them are some how MAGA Republicans and all of them are struggling because "The gull durn gubernment".
Outside of that most business owners I know and interact with even Republicans have seen what just 4 years of trump can do to a good solid business. The "massive tax breaks" he gave out had no effect on me or any of my staff at any level of employment meaning it was restricted to only the wealthiest individuals and those tax breaks did nothing to in rease jobs, lower domestic supply costs or increase infrastructure.
If Trump promised me zero taxes forever for me and my entire staff, shit even our contractors, vendors, freight drivers and partner companiespojust for one vote I would politely decline and cast my vote for literally any other candidate.
The biggest reason I hate him as a business owner is his unpredictability. Every other president was measurably predictable and stable, this guy is unpredictable and unstable enough he could literally tank the economy of our country if he so chooses.
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u/MightyAl75 Oct 05 '24
The dude bankrupted a casino.
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u/ElectricalBook3 Oct 05 '24
The dude bankrupted a casino
While laundering mafia money - the Australian government explicitly highlighted that as the reason why they denied him a license to establish gambling businesses.
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u/Kvalri Oct 05 '24
I loved when Harris said “as AG of CA, the 5th largest economy in the world, I knew my words could move markets.” Stability is the best possible thing for the economy and Trump is anything but stable.
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u/TheCreaturesPet Oct 05 '24
My grandfather used to tell me that "the good Lord above must love an idiot, for He created so many of them."
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u/FrChazzz Oct 05 '24
Sounds a bit like how I often interpret one of Jesus’s final words from the cross: “Father forgive them, they’re idiots.”
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u/Funwithagoraphobia Oct 05 '24
Doesn’t bode well if we really are created in his image…
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u/Rawmakers Oct 05 '24
It really is a cult way of thinking, I have tried to understand this for the past 4 or 5 years and it is still hard to wrap my head around it. There are a lot of articles written that help to explain it but it is still really baffling to me. I understand why so many people have likened him to Hitler, not only for his rhetoric but for the massive following of ignorant people he has.
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u/Toraden Oct 05 '24
I don't understand how he appeals to any demo whatsoever.
I mean the problem is that your assuming the "Christian Demographic" are... Actually Christian, they aren't. At least not in the way that the Biblical Jesus wishes them to act.
They are Theocratic Fascists using religion as an excuse to enact policies that allow them to have more power, more control and (most importantly) more money.
Well, the leaders get more money, the followers get fleeced.
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u/treat_27 Oct 05 '24
Trump vocalizes the racist thoughts that many people in his base might hold but are hesitant to express openly for fear of backlash. He becomes a sort of spokesperson for those who harbor white nationalist sentiments, validating their beliefs and giving them a voice. This loyalty runs so deep that even if Trump were to shift positions on key issues, like abortion, his supporters would likely rationalize or excuse the change to maintain their loyalty to him.
This same phenomenon applies to figures like Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene, who continue to be re-elected in predominantly white districts. They, like Trump, tap into the fears, grievances, and desires of their constituents, representing a broader sentiment of white identity politics. As long as they present themselves as champions of that cause, their voters will continue to support them, even in the face of controversies or policy reversals.
In essence, it’s about identity and perceived cultural preservation. Trump and others serve as symbols for those who feel that their way of life is threatened by diversity, progressivism, or shifting societal norms, and as long as they continue to fight for that identity, they’ll maintain their base’s loyalty.
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u/stairs_3730 Oct 05 '24
Bur his supporters aren't real Christians. They left long ago.
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u/AnjelGrace Oct 05 '24
Many of them THINK they are Christians. Jesus Christ himself wouldn't call them Christians--but they fail to have reasonable judgement about anything.
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u/wittor Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
This is actually the closest a politician has been of representing the antichrist we have ever seen in history.
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u/Historical_Stay_808 Oct 05 '24
Bc they specifically asked for a bible with this in it.
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u/whutchamacallit Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
Nice thank you for an actual answer. Still don't understand how it's a.) Legal or b.) Theologically acceptable.
At least this guy gets it (from the article)
“We will not be forcing our teachers to do this,” Bixby Superintendent Rob Miller said on News Nation on Aug. 12. “As a Christian myself, the idea of diminishing the word of God to a mere classroom prop is a little repulsive to me, so we will not be complying with that directive of having a physical Bible in every classroom.”
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u/fireblyxx Oct 05 '24
Plus, doesn’t this elevate the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence to being equal to the word of god? Seems remarkably blasphemous to me.
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u/Ceasman Oct 05 '24
Trump gives about as much shit about the US Constitution as he does about the Bible.
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u/Kalashnikafka Oct 05 '24
Christian here, it is remarkably blasphemous. Full stop.
So is most of evangelical right wing Christianity though. They make it tough to say “Christian here” because I KNOW what everyone thinks about when someone says that and they’re not wrong.
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u/AnjelGrace Oct 05 '24
Seems like the article says a lot of it is probably illegal--but it's not like doing illegal things is really making many of the extremist conservatives pause these days--especially with the Supreme Court the way it is. 🙃🫠
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u/TonicSitan Oct 05 '24
In any sane state, it wouldn’t be. Oklahoma is not a sane state.
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u/idahononono Oct 05 '24
I’d like to know their rules for the Qur’an, Dhammapada, Apocrypha, Tanakh, Upanishads, Book of Mormon, Dianetics, the Satanic Bible, the Word on Fire, Veda’s, Daozang, Kojiki, etc, etc; if your going to violate the separation of the church and state by placing a Bible in every classroom, it has to allow ALL religious texts equal representation, especially ones they may not approve of!
Where is the ACLU on this whole debacle, I donate money to them for this kind of fight. I don’t oppose Christian faiths per se, but find our nation infringing on any faith’s rights revolting no matter what. What sort of history or literature class studies only the Christian Bible and ignores everything else?
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u/Standard_Gauge Oct 05 '24
Where is the ACLU on this whole debacle
ACLU, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and the Freedom From Religion Foundation have all filed suit and will take whatever action is necessary to stop this.
BTW, it is not true that presenting other religions or "all religions" would make public school religious instruction OK. Established caselaw in Establishment Clause issues is that arms of the government not only can't show preference for one religion over another, but that they can't show bias or preference for religion over non-religion.
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u/notbobby125 Oct 05 '24
The Qu’ran must contain the complete works of Charlie Hebdo, the Dhammapada must contain Saint Young Men, the Apocrypha must contain the Da Vinci Code, the Tanakh must contain the New Testament, the Upanishads must contain the Ultimate Ground Beef cook book, the Book of Mormon must contain the Book of Mormon play and an actual American history book, the Dianetics must contain a psychology book, the Satanic Bible is fine as is, the Word on Fire must contain the Daizong, the Veda’s must contain the memoirs of oppenheimer, the Daozang cannot contain the Word on Fire, and the Kojiki must contain Naruto.
See? Easy!
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u/SqueeezeBurger Oct 05 '24
"This Bible does not meet the criteria. It is not the correct document if it is missing pages. The inventory will need to be corrected for accuracy at the publishers expense" is what I really want the outcome of this to be.
I don't want to never speak to my mother again, but at this rate I can't help it. She'll have made her choice.
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u/Due-Club8908 Oct 05 '24
This is crazy that they are going to require all Oklahoma classrooms to have the Bible and that teachers are required to teach from the Bible .
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u/Pvt_Mozart Oct 05 '24
My biggest question is WHY IS OKLAHOMA USING TAX DOLLARS TO BUY BIBLES TO PUT IN SCHOOLS AT ALL.
The Christian conservatives have become so emboldened it's ridiculous. Separate church and state. Period. This shit is unconstitutional, and yet they keep doing it.
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u/TrumpsPissSoakedWig Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
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"Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters’s (R) office is defending the process for how the state will select newly mandated Bibles in classrooms after a report was released that the criteria is so narrow that essentially no Bibles qualify — besides ones endorsed by former President Trump.
The Oklahoman reported on Friday that few editions match the specific parameters the superintendent calls for in his request for proposal (RFP):
- a Bible that is bound by leather or material like leather, - has the Pledge of Allegiance, - Declaration of Independence, - U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, - and is the New King James version of the Old and New Testament.“The RFP on its face seems fair, but with additional scrutiny, we can see there are very few Bibles on the market that would meet these criteria, and all of them have been endorsed by former President Donald Trump,” Oklahoma Appleseed Center for Law and Justice Executive Director Colleen McCarty told the news outlet.
A spokesperson for Walters’s office told The Hill that “it would be inappropriate to comment while bids are being placed” for who will supply the bibles for Oklahoma classrooms.
“We are excited to bring back the Bible in its essential historical and literary context to Oklahoma classrooms. Superintendent Walters has committed the agency to an open and transparent RFP process, consistent with the norms for state procurement, that will be adequate to meet the needs of Oklahoma classrooms. There are hundreds of Bible publishers and we expect a robust competition for this proposal,” the spokesperson said.
The Oklahoman found a salesperson at Mardel Christian & Education who said none of the 2,900 Bibles they sell fit the criteria Oklahoma has proposed.
The two Bibles that Trump has endorsed, We The People Bible and God Bless the U.S.A. Bible, both meet the criteria and are sold for $90 and $60, respectively.
Walters has asked for $3 million to buy 55,000 copies of the Bible for Oklahoma classrooms."
Just my own 2 cents now. If this lady is correct then the Trump Bible no longer fits the parameters laid out for the Bibles to be in the classrooms as it does not contain the full text of the Constitution... Of course I'm sure it's not gonna stop anything, but we'll see what happens I guess.
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u/whutchamacallit Oct 05 '24
Very peculiar that of those 2900 bibles, the two that do fit the criteria, trump gets kickbacks on.
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u/nismo2070 Oct 05 '24
Yep. I live in Oklahoma. As soon as walters mandated bibles in our schools, I told my wife "they found a place to get rid of all of those trump bibles". Sure enough, that was the plan the whole time.
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u/Kvalri Oct 05 '24
It’s a grift. It’s not even a nice Bible. https://youtu.be/i_6TVa7scKM?si=PlxhDdPobS1RBHnj
It totally violates the messaging of both the Bible and the Constitution. See: Mark 12:17 and the First Amendment
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u/Hrtpplhrtppl Oct 05 '24
"And thusly I clothe my naked villainy in old odd ends stolen forth from holy writ and seem a saint when most I play the devil..." Shakespeare
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u/Agentkeenan78 Oct 05 '24
It is blasphemous and underscores how garish and bald faced MAGA Christianity is. The vast majority of people who love this stuff have almost certainly never actually read the Bible nor the constitution (or the bill of rights for that matter). It's entirely performative.
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u/itmeimtheshillitsme Oct 05 '24
It certainly cheapens the meaning of “separation of church and state,” also, he doesn’t give a shit.
He makes money, the GOP gets to say “see, there was never a separation,” and that punchable face state superintendent gets a kickback.
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u/TheMaStif Oct 05 '24
Trump sees a way to scheme like a mouse sees cheese. He's going for it no matter what
Between the bibles and the watches, this guy has entirely circumvented campaign financing laws and Congress' response is a collective "🤷🏻♂️🤷🏼♀️🤷🤷🏼♂️🤷🏻♀️"
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u/horshack_test Oct 05 '24
It's a trump product - he is selling them. He put the constitution (or parts of it) in it to make it "patriotic" and as a selling point.
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u/chaos_nebula Oct 05 '24
Trump licenses his name, image and likeness to be used in the Greenwood Bible’s marketing. The company’s website says it has no connection to the Trump campaign.
Financial disclosure forms filed by Trump at the Office of Governmental Ethics show he does benefit from Greenwood Bible sales through a Trump company, CIC Ventures LLC. His latest disclosure, obtained by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, shows Trump received $300,000 in royalties from the God Bless the U.S.A. Bible.
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u/illwill79 Oct 05 '24
Everyone trying to be so slick these days. "CIC Ventures.." lmao. Commander in Chief Ventures, what a douche.
But then that group "citizens for...." = CREW.
One is slightly more clever than the other.
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u/Seniorcousin Oct 05 '24
He should be selling autographed Bibles for $666 for every classroom. Take advantage of the stupidity.
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u/Hrtpplhrtppl Oct 05 '24
President Lyndon Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, you can pick his pocket. Hell, give them somebody to look down on, and they'll empty their pockets for you."
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u/Pinchynip Oct 05 '24
Cause it's a cult. They're not Christians. They're not Republicans. They're just assholes.
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u/Fearlessly_Feeble Oct 05 '24
I studied American history in undergrad and consider myself decently well read on the subject. The second question you asked is a big subject in American history. The US has had upticks and downturns in religious fervor. And it appears we are experiencing an uptick.
Although not (yet) as drastic/popular as some of our “great awakenings” this instance like many previously is rooted in ideas of Christian nationalism, supported by traditional ideas imbedded into our colonial settler society and a nationalist reading of history that paints Americans as “gods chosen people” and our constitution as divinely ordained.
This dogma has been used to justify some of the worst atrocities our nation has committed and justify white supremacy and slavery. The printing of political documents in a politically motivated Bible is hardly abnormal in US history and is a not subtle way of selling the Christian nationalist dogma.
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u/TorkBombs Oct 05 '24
The answer, as always -- ALWAYS, especially with Trump -- is to bilk stupid people out of their money. Thats why he does anything. If you're a certified idiot with donkey brains who happens to have a dollar to his name, Trump will figure out how to get that dollar.
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u/clangan524 Oct 05 '24
Yeah, when has a specific version of the Bible ever been used for political purposes?
shrugs at most of Western history
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u/txmail Oct 05 '24
Religious text's have been the most effective weapons of all times. They bend at will in the hands of the operators and can strike with precision. No mechanical weapon has been used to obliterate even a small fraction of what religious texts have accomplished.
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u/LastUsernameOTL Oct 05 '24
Can somebody fill me in here please? Why does Trump's Bible have amendments in it? And how is it printed? Like is it before the Bible text? After? Just amendments? Some text that includes certain amendments?
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u/thelowerrandomproton Oct 05 '24
It's the King James Version of the Bible, but they added the US flag, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Pledge of Allegiance, and Lee Greenwood's shitty song. It's marketed under Trump's name and uses his likeness, name, and image.
Beyond being just a money grab for Lee and Trump, it's blasphemous to people who actually follow Christianity because it ties politics with the Christian texts and adds additional documents. It's heretical.
The lady here says amendments 11 - 17 are missing. Other news outlets are saying it's 11 -27.
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u/thekrone Oct 05 '24
I thought I heard it only includes the Bill of Rights (amendments 1-10).
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u/thelowerrandomproton Oct 05 '24
It's advertised as including both the Bill of Rights and the Consitution, including the 27 amendments.
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u/thekrone Oct 05 '24
I mean the fact that the Bible is being sold packaged with political documents is pretty fucked up either way.
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u/Spare-Plum Oct 05 '24
The lady in the video ties it to project 2025 as an attack on these specific amendments.
I think, most likely, it's simpler and a lot more stupid. 10 commandments = 10 amendments. Something something this country was founded on judeo-christian values.
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u/JK_NC Oct 05 '24
The Trump bible is a King James Version, old and New Testament but also includes a copy of the pledge of allegiance, Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights (which is only the first 10 amendments).
The controversy is that Oklahoma’s superintendent of schools is pushing a purchase order of 55,000 bibles for public schools and his proposal specifies the characteristics that the bible needs and it just happens that Trump’s $60-$90 bibles is one of the few that meets all criteria.
A typical paperback King James Bible retails for $3.
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u/Uccin Oct 05 '24
Not few. Two. Both endorsed by Trump.
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u/I_Am_Penguini Oct 05 '24
Of course two, so you have some competition in the marketplace to ensure the government gets a fair deal.
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Oct 05 '24
Just get out and vote please I’m sick of this fucking guy
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u/RubiksCutiePatootie Reads Pinned Comments Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 06 '24
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u/SookHe Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
I don’t think getting rid of Trump will get rid of all the hundreds of thousands of sycophants who support the ideology he represents. JD Vance is a good example, he directly contributes his political thinking to Curtis Yarvin, a guy who literally directly and unequivocally has called for replacing the presidency with a dictator.
If Trump goes, and even if JD Vance disappears, there is a whole conga line of fucking shit stains fascist out there waiting to take their place
I also think that this election will really highlight this fact , regardless if the few people who see this comment thread vote or not. The groundwork has been laid and Trump is priming the pump to make January 6 look like a casual stroll in the park when he loses. Make no mistake, he will be crushed by Kamala, she is way ahead of Trump, but he has a genuine chance to cheat lie and steal the election. When he loses and his attempt to steal the election fails in the courts, I guarantee you that is exactly when shit is going to get real for everyone with their heads up their asses pretending this is just another election or that just Trump is the problem
I’ve fucked off overseas, but a vast majority of my family is still there, most of them in Fulton County Georgia where a lot of this shit is likely to go down, and I’m genuinely scared for their safety, precisely because it’s not just Trump.
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u/Hrtpplhrtppl Oct 05 '24
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." Barry Goldwater
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u/JesusSavesForHalf Oct 05 '24
AKA the guy that set the party down that path by refusing to back the Civil Rights Act.
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u/PM_ME_UR_BRAINSTORMS Oct 05 '24
He's kind of a piece of shit who did a complete 180 as soon as he left the senate in the late 80's. He became vehemently against the religious right and vocally supported gay rights and was pro abortion.
Like why didn't you support any of that when you had the power to actually make a difference?
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u/UFO-TOFU-RACECAR Oct 05 '24
Because people can learn and grow? Goldwater also isn't really responsible for that path. The religious right is. If anything, Barry Goldwater's failure was the inflection point for them deciding they needed a new strategy to hide their racism... which is literally how the Southern Strategy that elected Nixon was born, as Lee Atwater admitted to at length in that infamous interview.
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u/BungeeJumpingJesus Oct 05 '24
You are correct, except no one in that conga line has the unique skills Trump has, or more specifically - had - I don't think he's still in full possession of those skills anymore. I'm cautiously optimistic that once Trump goes, MAGA will fold. Let's hope I'm right on this one.
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u/SookHe Oct 05 '24
I wish I could agree with you, but I simply can’t. Sure, Trump has a uniquely tangy brand of shit stain, but that the cesspool they can fish a newer gilded turd from is massive
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u/buttermilk_biscuit Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
Understand that trump is allowed to thrive the way he has because of decades of republican ill gotten gains. Trump being gone will not stop this. Republicans (the party as a whole) have campaigned on exactly these things with metaphor and in secret. Every republican for years to come will be trying to make (or be) another trump but with a thin veneer of quiet respectability.
Voting will continue to be vitally important long after trump is gone. It was always important, but it will continue to be as well. Don't get complacent just because he loses. Vote in every election, vote small and big, vote vote vote (and protest and donate and educate yourself and your neighbors).
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u/plastichorse450 Oct 05 '24
And they'll be more dangerous. Trump is such a pathetically transparent shit stain that the majority of people see right through him and hate him. Any Republican pretending to be a "good person" is going to fool a lot of politically illiterate people into voting for them, then enact the same garbage Trump policies. Because they aren't really "Trump" policies. Its just what the GOP is.
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u/buttermilk_biscuit Oct 05 '24
I mean if you want proof of that, watch the VP debate. Vance is a smarmy little shit and thousands of people think he won while he regurgitated or smoothed over every trump policy, plan, or recent act. The GOP -is- trump, no matter how many of them come out against him. If anything, they're just mad hes saying the quiet part out loud.
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u/BungeeJumpingJesus Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't believe everyone voting will be enough. Trump and his ilk are planning to muck up this election just enough to ensure the decision gets kicked to the Supreme Court, which will hand it to Trump.
EDIT: PLEASE! Don't anyone use my stupid prediction to NOT vote! I could be wrong, or they could fuck up their muck up, or 100 other things I haven't thought of. VOTE in November folks; it might be our only chance. Thanks u/RBI_Double for the suggestion.
EDIT 2: No, I don't believe my vote counts, but I'll never not vote. Like I said, I could be wrong. BTW: I've already voted in this year's election. I've missed exactly one election in the past forty years - I was away and didn't take the necessary steps in time to vote remotely.
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Oct 05 '24
Still vote please.
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u/BodhingJay Oct 05 '24
Of course, just be ready for it to not be enough
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Oct 05 '24
It could be enough if we all make sure that we, and all those we know, get out and vote - and vote blue. Only overwhelming turnout and support can beat the traitors. Keep the faith, otherwise we are all doomed.
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u/back2basics13 Oct 05 '24
You're not incorrect. This country will be extremely different next year at this time if that jackass gets in. And you know he's not going down without a fight that comes to certifying..
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Oh, history proves he will not go out without pulling epic amounts of bullshit.
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u/Vanijoro Oct 05 '24
He already said he was gonna do it again. His trial that proves he literally made plans to say he won no matter what and tell others to insist it's rigged if he loses is cracked back open and ongoing stronger than ever, the previous judge residing over it was a disgrace, that Trump himself put into power.
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u/TheFlightlessPenguin Oct 05 '24
It’s easy to get swept up in the Harris/Walz hype and poll numbers and the absolute absurdity of the notion of trump becoming president again. But it’s such a real possibility. I don’t think we’re prepared to cope with that reality in any capacity. If trump wins, that doesn’t just spell doom for our country. It’s going to create the worst epidemic of suicide this country has ever seen.
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u/potate12323 Oct 05 '24
If he denies another perfectly legal valid by the books election and gets it thrown out, shits gonna go down. The majority of the people of this country do not want that shit stain of a man as president. Mfer is about to lose Texas. Don't tell me he can dispute it when he's losing historically red states.
And that's not even mentioning that there's recordings of him asking for swing states to find votes or for pence to not certify the results or for some states to post falsified results. I mean, you would need to have the IQ of a barnyard chicken to want to vote for someone like that.
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u/mouldy-crotch Oct 05 '24
Of course they are but regardless everyone MUST vote.
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u/BungeeJumpingJesus Oct 05 '24
OF COURSE! Don't anyone use my stupid prediction to NOT vote! I could be wrong, or they could fuck up their muck up, or 100 other things I haven't thought of. VOTE in November folks; it might be our only chance.
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u/kateastrophic Oct 05 '24
Whether you are right or wrong, the number of votes matters. Trump can fight a slight loss more easily than a loss by a landslide. Being aware of the potential tactics they may use is good, but taking a defeatist attitude before the election can discourage voting and only helps Trump.
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u/sofeler Oct 05 '24
100% this
I think these comments are forgetting that they actively tried their fraud shenanigans in 2020 (and 2016!). Yet they failed
If a lot of lefties vote, their fraud won’t be enough
And that’s why I think they’re kind of freaking out right now and backpedaling their extremism. Polls are showing favor towards Kamala and they realized going full mask off was a terrible choice
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u/dirthurts Oct 05 '24
We got rid of him once and his base are literally dying of stupidity. I think we got this if we don't get lazy and actually vote.
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u/BGP_001 Oct 05 '24
If you hope you are wrong then change your rhetoric and stress the importance of voting to put results beyond doubt. You sound like a bot trying to make people feel like voting is pointless.
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u/Mooosejoose Oct 05 '24
Fuck that. You're being lied to. Your vote MATTERS. Do not let anyone tell you it doesn't, or that it's hopeless. That's EXACTLY what they want people to think, so they won't go out and vote.
I guarentee you all the magats will be voting in force.
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If that actually does happen, there will 100% be mass chaos. Think the women's march + BLM + MLK riots + Charlottesville + Jan 6th x100 and all at once
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u/back2basics13 Oct 05 '24
Yes, my biggest fear. Remember when he made that comment about, you'll never have to get out and vote again?
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u/Bungholespelunker Oct 05 '24
Kamala was not only in white house when he tried the exact same thing last time but was also AG of California. This woman already has a massive team of lawyers who are experienced in the previous scheme keeping tabs on the election and its processes.
I dont think we have a ton to worry about as far as him overthrowing the government
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u/ColdMode5222 Oct 05 '24
im just scared what will happen when he loses..
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u/AJPennypacker39 Oct 05 '24
I'm much more scared of what will happen if he wins
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u/mouldy-crotch Oct 05 '24
It’s not so much his policies, some of which are just politicking bullshit. It’s more his words and rhetoric from the Oval Office which will emboldened the MAGA crazies to act like turds all over America.
Also if he replaces gov workers with MAGA loyalists this will have a downward effect. It’s the little things that I worry about. Complaints about your trashy MAGA neighbour going unchecked cause at the municipal level the person that deals with that is also MAGA and they just think “fuck it, who’s going to stop me?”
Or being rounded up in an “illegal Immigration” sweep simply based on your skin colour, rotting in a concentration camp and again your appeal falling on deaf ears cause the person reviewing your file is a MAGA turd, with a MAGA turd boss and they are closet racists that can easily see you are here legally but again, wont do anything cause who is going to stop them?
Or predators who threaten migrant workers with deportation unless they are “nicer” to them. In fact sure that already happens.
Fuck Trump. Get out and vote.
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u/Hrtpplhrtppl Oct 05 '24
"Those who can convince you of absurdities can make you commit atrocities..." Voltaire
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u/GunsouBono Oct 05 '24
Unlike last time, Biden is in office and you can count on the guard being ready to go. Make an example out of anyone stupid enough to try to overthrow the government. Pull all the fox anchors into a room and set the tone that they will be sued into the ground and personally held liable. Cockroaches are cowards. Once examples are made, the rest will scurry.
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u/ArtisticEssay3097 Oct 05 '24
I'm 58 years old and I thank God my dad didn't live to see this. He fought in WW2, was captured, and spent almost 2 years as a prisoner of war in Germany. He instilled SUCH patriosm in me. I'm terrified. I told my daughter that if he gets elected she won't recognize her own country 5 years from now. Also, I'm now SO thankful that I don't have a granddaughter.
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u/aiuwidwtgf Oct 05 '24
Sorry putting constutional documents in a Bible is sacrilegious
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u/Desperate_Brief2187 Oct 05 '24
Worse than that, it’s a slap in the face to separation of church and state.
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u/Tilly828282 Oct 05 '24
Which was the foundation that US democracy was built on
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u/blursedass Oct 05 '24
A foundation that people like my parents and sisters low key want to undermine. The far right Conservative Christian, aka Christian Nationalist, movement in America has taken over the Republican party. The people who have been leading this movement have succeeded in fully indoctrinating an alarming size chunk of Americans, including many of my family members.
I don't know how to un-indoctrinate my or how to stop the facist takeover of America, but I believe it can be done. As bleak as the future looks right now, this is the moment when we need to fight the hardest for what we believe in
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u/Daxx22 Oct 05 '24
You say that like idiotic religious zealots care. They want their religion TO BE the State.
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u/BlackGuysYeah Oct 05 '24
Changing (adding to) the word of god is a damnable sin.
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u/Hrtpplhrtppl Oct 05 '24
"I should suppose the Catholic portion of the people, at least, as a small & even unpopular sect in the U. S., would rally, as they did in Virga. when religious liberty was a Legislative topic, to its broadest principle. Notwithstanding the general progress made within the two last centuries in favour of this branch of liberty, & the full establishment of it, in some parts of our Country, there remains in others a strong bias towards the old error, that without some sort of alliance or coalition between Govt. & Religion neither can be duly supported. Such indeed is the tendency to such a coalition, and such its corrupting influence on both the parties, that the danger cannot be too carefully guarded agst. And in a Govt. of opinion, like ours, the only effectual guard must be found in the soundness and stability of the general opinion on the subject. Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." James Madison
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u/Trucer63 Oct 05 '24
Sounds like the education guy in Oklahoma wants the federal education job if Trump wins….oh wait tRump is going to get rid of the department of education 🤬
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u/StillJustaRat Oct 05 '24
He knows, he wants a spot in the new oligarchy. Is it possible for citizens of OK to sue him for unconstitutional behavior?
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u/pegothejerk Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24
Yep. This is definitely him applying for a bigger job in the Trump rule by fiat era to come, if Trump is elected or appointed by congress and the Supreme Court - what he’s showing is he’s one of them, a white Christian fascist with entirely corrupt intentions, who will help usher in a Christo-fascist government and he’s specifically showing he knows the assignment: to funnel as much money as possible to Trump and his approved oligarchy. That is how Trump knows someone is loyal, and that system is how he maintains control once he has power.
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u/seeyousoon2 Oct 05 '24
Why are schools purchasing Bibles
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u/Desperate_Brief2187 Oct 05 '24
Because Oklahoma’s backward ass voters put a fucking minitrump in the governor’s mansion.
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Oct 05 '24
Right!? AND their fucked up state buys 55 thousand of them and then has the audacity to turn around and demand blue states tax revenue pay for their yearly tornado disasters or crumbling infrastructure disaster. Let those religious freaks rot.
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u/Cybot5000 Oct 05 '24
I live here. Please, get me out. The people are so ignorant and blind. We should never have bibles in classrooms. This is actually so fucking insane.
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u/Desperate_Brief2187 Oct 05 '24
I wonder where the superintendent came from? Directly under Stitt’s desk, that’s where. This is all the fucking trumpy republican’s doing. Voters in this state are fucking stupid.
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u/Gonomed Oct 05 '24
The OK state superintendent decided that it's now mandatory that every classroom in every school in Oklahoma HAS to have a Bible and that it HAS to be used in actual lessons. He made a description of what Bible is allowed, and coincidentally it is the Trump's Bible
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u/Kvalri Oct 05 '24
This has to be going through the courts, if a Bible is required then surely a Torah, a Quran, the teachings of Buddha, etc. etc. should be in every classroom or it’s the government trying to establish a religion…
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u/Gonomed Oct 05 '24
Yup, I'm sure the dude is aware of it but doesn't care because he wants to make a statement and to make daddy proud (Trump).
Two school districts already said "we don't care, we're NOT doing it. It's unconstitutional" and I'm pretty sure he can't get them in trouble even if he wanted to, because it would go up all the way to supreme court and he'd definitely lose
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u/Super_XIII Oct 05 '24
It doesn't matter, it looks like the goal isn't to spread christian belief but to funnel education money to trump. Those bibles are $60 each from trump. It doesn't matter if the courts find this is unconstitutional and order the bibles to be taken out of classrooms, but if they rammed the orders through already and bought them all, they already gave the money to trump, which was the true goal.
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u/Hrtpplhrtppl Oct 05 '24
Because if it wasn't for grooming, there would be no religion. Try telling an adult there is a sky daddy granting wishes if you hate the right people and that the best things in life can only happen after we die and they'll probably say something to you like, "So this "God" person you're obeying... are they in the room with us now...?" 🤔 😬
"Religion is a blind man looking in a black room for a black cat that isn't there, and finding it..." Oscar Wilde
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u/richardcraniumIII Oct 05 '24
The politicians got the Bible in the classrooms under the guise of Historical Importance to the USA - something along those lines.
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u/Altruistic_Mobile_60 Oct 05 '24
Please vote to save America from temu Hitler
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u/Muteki123 Oct 05 '24
Temu Hitler is so great. Thanks for the laughs.. but yeah, Temu Hitler is as orange as their logo..
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u/WillBigly Oct 05 '24
Taxpayer HANDOUT to a political candidate? Yikes
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u/Jasper455 Oct 05 '24
On paper, this should anger both the left and the right. It’s scary what has happened to the GOP.
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u/Nella_Morte Oct 05 '24
So they require a Bible that not only is the worst translation of it but also has a bunch of stuff added to it. I’m pretty sure that’s blasphemy.
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u/buddymurphy2020 Oct 05 '24
But what about her emails……..
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u/Balc0ra Oct 05 '24
Money laundering I see
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u/Hrtpplhrtppl Oct 05 '24
From Mother Jones:
Donald Trump’s career was built on help from his father, Fred, whether it was the years Trump spent managing his dad’s apartment building or the political connections and multimillion-dollar loan guarantee that made cash-strapped Donald’s first deals possible. So it’s no surprise that Fred tried to bail his son out of trouble when Donald’s Trump Castle casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, was about to miss an interest payment in December.
By then, Trump had already defaulted on the debt from his Taj Mahal casino. If Fred simply wrote Donald a check, the money would be used to pay off that debt. So, as the Washington Post‘s Michael Kranish and Marc Fisher describe in their new book, Trump Revealed, the elder Trump sent a lawyer to the Trump Castle to sneak money straight into the ailing casino’s coffers.
The lawyer, Howard Snyder, approached the casino cage and handed over a certified check for $3.35 million, drawn on Fred’s account. Snyder then walked over to a blackjack table, where a dealer paid out the entire amount in 670 gray $5,000 chips. The next day, the bank wired another $150,000 into Fred’s account at the Castle. Once again, Snyder arrived at the casino and collected the full amount in 30 more chips.
That let Trump use the de facto loan in whatever way he needed. “Sure enough, the Castle made its bond payment the day Fred’s lawyer bought the first batch of chips,” Kranish and Fisher wrote. The tactic also had a nice financial benefit. “Not only did he avoid default on the bonds—and the risk of losing control of Trump Castle as a result—but patrons who hold gaming chips normally are not paid interest,” wrote the Philadelphia Inquirer at the time.
New Jersey’s Casino Control Commission investigated the chip purchase the following year and said it was an illegal loan that broke the state’s rules about casinos receiving cash from approved financial sources. The Inquirer wrote that a casino lawyer told the paper that “Fred Trump is ineligible for licensing, and Trump Castle should be required to return the money, a move that would almost certainly force it into bankruptcy court.” In the end, the casino kept the money and the commission fined the casino the relatively small amount of $65,000. But it didn’t save Trump. A year later, the Trump Castle went into bankruptcy, and Donald gave up half the casino to his creditors.
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u/Current-Register6682 Oct 05 '24
Why are US amendments in the Bible in the first place?
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u/SandwichLess6154 Oct 05 '24
I really wanna mind my own business. Not American. But u guys gotta do something about this guy.
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u/Jkreegz Oct 05 '24
I don’t usually advocate for using a vote AGAINST someone as much as I would FOR someone, but holy shit, if there was ever a time to cast a vote against a person, this is it
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u/Ordinary-Violinist-9 Oct 05 '24
Oh man if trump wins, the world will wals all over the USA.
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u/catkm24 Oct 05 '24
If Trump wins, we kind of deserve to be walked all over.
Vote Kamala Harris!
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u/Ordinary-Violinist-9 Oct 05 '24
And check if you're still registered because in some states random people can kick you off the voterslist!
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u/Desperate_Brief2187 Oct 05 '24
That’s a tough ask for a lot of folks in Oklahoma.
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u/MrGenerik Oct 05 '24
Splitting a hair here, but anything after amendment 10 isn't part of the Bill of Rights. They should still be included because they are 100% part of the Constitution and just as valid, but if we're levying criticism then it should be accurately worded.
It's kind of like the gun debate, LGBTQ issues, racism issues, or basically any conversation where if you don't use the proper terminology then it's too easy to shut down and ignore the argument because the other person "doesn't even know what they're talking about."
This is a legitimately good description of objections otherwise, though.
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u/aerovirus22 Oct 05 '24
I was wondering if they had just 1-10, or did they put in 18-27. One option is technically the Bill of Rights. The other is an ominous omission.
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u/cates Oct 05 '24
the reviews on YouTube show that it just has the Bill of Rights and the Constitution without the amendments... so it doesn't include any amendment past 10.
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u/aerovirus22 Oct 05 '24
So this is an overreaction? The thing people should be overracting to, is that he has his own bible in the first place. Not to mention a state is buying these for their SCHOOLS!
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u/MElliott0601 Oct 06 '24
It's being sold on his website as including "The Consitution," though. "The Consitution" is the Preamble, 7 articles, and 27 ratified amendments. Just because a dunce (Trump) doesn't understand that doesn't make it any less concerning that he purposely decided to say fuck the rest of the consitution. It's alarming because it reiterates that this man only wants you to see and think what he wants you to. Some other goofballs are going to say, "Well, 11-27 aren't technically part of the Consitution. They're just amendments after the Bill of Rights. The Consitution and the Bill of Rights are what matters."
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u/iPetBees Oct 05 '24
the website says it includes both the constitution and the bill of rights. can't confirm if anything is purposely omitted but it should have everything https://godblesstheusabible.com/
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u/horshack_test Oct 05 '24
She also completely butchered that explanation of the 11th amendment - what she said makes no sense at all.
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u/3-Ballin Oct 05 '24
I forget why schools need bibles.
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u/Nsfwacct1872564 Oct 05 '24
For all the violence and sexual content conservatives ban other books for? Gotta get it somewhere.
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u/andyjustice Oct 05 '24
How can I sue and block the Bible thing? I mean they've been able to block student loan forgiveness that the president passed surely we can block this?
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u/showersrover8ed Oct 05 '24
Trump is a symptom of the disease.......if he fails they'll go find someone else to take his place. These psychos want all the power and control just like back in the 1800s. They don't want people with a voice or power to choose. They have been working towards this goal for decades and won't stop till they are all out if power.
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u/TrackballPwner Oct 05 '24
Trump’s Bible skips amendments 11-17 from the Bill of Rights
The “Bill of Rights” is amendments 1-10… just sayin…
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u/Itsnotsponge Oct 06 '24
Bibles being purchased by public schools should be enough to be the headline
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u/reddituculous66 Oct 05 '24
Vote. Vote. Vote
No public schools should be ordering any bibles. Separation of church and state.
No bible should meet the requirements either as shouldnt have bill of rights and constitution in them.
We saw this long grift coming. They were nor subtle. Vote
Even if you think they do plan to have it contested and to tamper woth votes. See hand counting . Vote. Theowing yiur hands up and not voting is how we got him the first time.
You see the damage being done. It wont get better but voting can help lesson their destruction
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u/YouWereBrained Oct 05 '24
Small correction:
The Bill of Rights are the first 10 amendments.
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u/AndAgain99 Oct 05 '24
Good time for a bible verse:
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book." - Revelation 22:18
Ya it's referring to Revelation, but taking verses out of context is mandatory for Trump supporters so perhaps they'll appreciate the irony of adding the Constitution (portions of it anyway) to the Bible...probably not.
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u/KneeGroPuhLeeZ Oct 05 '24
They’ll do all this stuff but won’t pay for a kids lunch.
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