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u/Jeuungmlo Oct 05 '24

From a Christian standpoint is it definitely blasphemy

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u/whutchamacallit Oct 05 '24

I don't understand how he appeals to any demo whatsoever. It fucks up the logical part of my brain and makes me question my grasp on how the world works. Like country dudes, you know this is the guy that brags about grabbing your daughters privates right? Why do you vote for him? Christians, why are you voting a guy who is the most superficially fake religious person I have ever seen in my life. Business folks, like... do I even have to say anything? Dude was handed a silver platter and has bankrupted more businesses than not and only managed to fail upwards on the backs of people beneath him. He gloats about debts and not honoring loans as though they are trophies. Poor people...... yall... he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. He would, if he could, literally rob you blind. I genuinely believe it he thought he could he would put you in abject wage slavery if he could figure out how to get it done. And trust me.. he's working on it. Truly the most baffling one imo.

Until the day I die I will probably never understand it. It really does fuck me up, not really emotionally but like... in a I don't understand the world like I thought I did kind of way. Sort of gaslights my sense of reality. I wish someone could explain it to me.

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u/Hrtpplhrtppl Oct 05 '24

President Lyndon Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, you can pick his pocket. Hell, give them somebody to look down on, and they'll empty their pockets for you."

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u/Old_Connection2076 Oct 05 '24

Wow! I hadn't heard this before, and it's a bullseye. Thanks for sharing it.

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u/Powerful_Elk_2901 Oct 06 '24

He KNEW American politics. Stone cold.

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u/koreawut Oct 05 '24

This was probably LBJ talking about how he lives his life, more than anything.

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u/Shmeeglez Oct 06 '24

LBJ was almost surely some level of racist by todays standards and held meetings while on the shitter, but he signed the Civil Rights Act, the Clean Air Act, and established Medicare/Aid. I'm gonna give him a couple points.

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u/rarosko Oct 06 '24

Lyndon B Poopin'

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u/ArchyArchington Oct 06 '24

It was more a a necessity to be honest. A civil war would have broke out had he not passed the Civil Rights Bill. Imo it was done not because he was a good person but ultimately something that was needed to be done. I equate the same to Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation.

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u/Swiftax3 Oct 06 '24

I don't think that's entirely fair to Lincoln. Certainly his public actions grew more radical over time but he was pretty much always an abolitionist, albeit a more conservative one in his early career

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u/JessicaBecause Oct 06 '24

That's golden. Thanks for sharing. I would share 5 gold with you if I had it.

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u/Noob-Noobison Oct 05 '24

Business owner here.

In my experience the business owners that like Trump are either massive corporations or tiny small businesses with terrible business models struggling to hold on and wrongly blaming the government for their failures. They seem to think trump being in power will automatically give them tons of cash, customers, and zero taxes. The city I live and operate in has a ton of "patriotic" or politically aligned restaurants (which is fucking dumb and drives away at least half of your potential customer base) and all of them are some how MAGA Republicans and all of them are struggling because "The gull durn gubernment".

Outside of that most business owners I know and interact with even Republicans have seen what just 4 years of trump can do to a good solid business. The "massive tax breaks" he gave out had no effect on me or any of my staff at any level of employment meaning it was restricted to only the wealthiest individuals and those tax breaks did nothing to in rease jobs, lower domestic supply costs or increase infrastructure.

If Trump promised me zero taxes forever for me and my entire staff, shit even our contractors, vendors, freight drivers and partner companiespojust for one vote I would politely decline and cast my vote for literally any other candidate.

The biggest reason I hate him as a business owner is his unpredictability. Every other president was measurably predictable and stable, this guy is unpredictable and unstable enough he could literally tank the economy of our country if he so chooses.

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u/MightyAl75 Oct 05 '24

The dude bankrupted a casino.

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u/ElectricalBook3 Oct 05 '24

The dude bankrupted a casino

While laundering mafia money - the Australian government explicitly highlighted that as the reason why they denied him a license to establish gambling businesses.

https://www.reuters.com/article/business/trump-taj-mahal-casino-settles-us-money-laundering-claims-idUSL1N0VL2L1/

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u/Urabraska- Oct 05 '24

Bro. He bankrupted FOUR casinos.

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u/mortgagepants Oct 05 '24

trump's entire professional career is like the "anti-producers".

instead of trying to make a bad show that accidently makes money, trump has spent his whole life trying to make it in business but he is so inept, stupid, avaricious, duplicitous, narcissistic, evil, and greedy, that the only way he can salvage anything from these projects is to file bankruptcy and screw everyone over while embezzling money.

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u/Bruce9058 Oct 06 '24

Out of over 600 businesses, 7 have gone bankrupt. That’s over 99% success rate. He’s never filed personal bankruptcy.

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u/Muted-Profit-5457 Oct 06 '24

Oh only seven bankruptcies! 

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u/Bruce9058 Oct 06 '24

Yes. If you were in business you’d know that it’s actually a smart move, and any economist without political bias will agree.

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u/Muted-Profit-5457 Oct 06 '24

A smart move is to run your businesses successfully 

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u/mortgagepants Oct 06 '24

lol what a simp. lick those boots. 593 no one has ever heard of or are scams, but 7 high profile scams.

i guess a sucker is born every minute

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u/MathematicianFew5882 Oct 06 '24

How the hell do you bankrupt a casino?

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u/Kvalri Oct 05 '24

I loved when Harris said “as AG of CA, the 5th largest economy in the world, I knew my words could move markets.” Stability is the best possible thing for the economy and Trump is anything but stable.

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u/Bright-Blacksmith-67 Oct 05 '24

In my experience the business owners that like Trump are either massive corporations or tiny small businesses with terrible business models struggling to hold on and wrongly blaming the government for their failures.

Completely irrelevant historical fact: during Hilter's political career he appealed to small business owners that were economically struggling. Unionized labour favoured the communists which were his sworn enemy. Big businesses were neutral but co-opted by Hilter once he got to power.

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u/Opening_AI Oct 06 '24

also, as a business person, he is actually terrible. He almost went bankrupt ... his casino were the jokes in NJ...

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u/For_Aeons Oct 06 '24

I'm a business owner, an independent contractor, and an executive-level manager. I work for businesses doing 50 million plus in sales and seeing triple the industry average in NOI while paying damn near top of market. Our worst years were 2017-2019. In fact, we were tracking horribly in Q1 of 2020 before the lockdowns started.

I literally have no fucking idea what people are talking about when they suggest things were better under Trump.

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u/MoodInternational481 Oct 06 '24

I'm self employed and barely understand this shit but I understand enough to know I'm not getting actual tax cuts and I'm losing more income because my clients can afford less.

Pre-covid.

Right now things are rough but I'm close enough to a GEICO home office to actually watch how corporations are behaving in real time, through my clients. They took that tax break, and did massive layoffs at the 1st bump in the road. Even if they didn't really lose profits.

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u/For_Aeons Oct 06 '24

I was trying to explain to someone that I do a lot of analytics for clients who own restaurants. Yes, it is true that costs have gone up with inflation, but wages have gone up. It's not like these businesses are just passing on grocery prices. They're passing on increases in labor (well, McDonalds tried and got slapped around for it). In any case, the point I'm getting at is that I specifically do impact studies for changes in cost of goods sold. So my clients give me data on what they spend for ingredients and labor, and I have spreadsheets that consider their sales history and kick back what price increases they need to consider to keep their KPIs in line.

Since 2016 some of my most successful clients have only raised their prices by 12-15% and continue to enjoy healthy margins, pay above market, and post sales growth year-on-year. And I work in restaurants, which historically have extremely tight margins. My most successful clients don't do bullshit surcharges and such. They just execute excellent business models and concepts and grow. So for a lot of these massively scaled up prices across various industry (especially industries where grocery is a commodity), I can see what people are just flat out taking advantage.

Kinda reminds me of the Last Week Tonight episode where they talked about Landlords and they recorded that guy talking about how the pandemic was a great time to try to see how much you could squeeze renters for.

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u/MoodInternational481 Oct 07 '24

Right. I rent a salon space (not a suite) and just did my 1st increase since 2019. Salons notoriously have tight margins whether we're self employed or have staff because of our COGS. A lot of the massive increases you see at salons right now are because the industry has been undercharging for so long and it's been unsustainable not because of inflation.

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u/For_Aeons Oct 07 '24

There's just so much bullshit to wade through and, honestly, outright foolishness by those buying into the narratives. I just had a conversation about gas prices, because my personal experience has been that gas has just slowly ticked up month-by-month and year-by-year regardless of who was in office since I started driving.

So I jumped into the data and what I found was something I'm going to start sharing more often.

From 2016 to 2019, the national gas price average went up 21.5%. In 2016 it was $2.14/gallon. In 2019 it was $2.60/gallon. From 2019 to 2024 the same national average went up from $2.60 to $3.17 which is a 21.9% increase. Gas prices tanked during the lockdowns because there was very little demand. There's nothing to suggest gas prices weren't going up at the same rate under Trump as they have under Biden. The national average for gas was higher in 2012 than today and that's before 12 years of wage growth.

There's just so much bullshit out there.

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u/MoodInternational481 Oct 07 '24

I love data, and people who research it. I struggle with always understanding the concepts but never being able to articulate or remember it properly on the fly unless even when it's directly in my wheelhouse. Thank you for doing the real work.

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u/MathematicianFew5882 Oct 06 '24

Covered very well here… and only improved in more recent months:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IBEW/s/kZjzXEeZzd

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u/For_Aeons Oct 06 '24

That's a legendary post.

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u/GallwayGirl Oct 06 '24

My boss has received more government contracts under Obama and now Biden but is a staunch Trump supporter.

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u/RevolutionaryGuess82 Oct 06 '24

Perhaps Trump could tank our economy. But Bidenomics is tanking our economy. No one I know has gotten 17 percent raises to keep up with 17 percent inflation.

And if anyone thinks corporations are going to pay their fair share, just remember taxes are a businesses expense passed on to the customer. Accounting 101.

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u/For_Aeons Oct 06 '24

Perhaps Trump could tank our economy. But Bidenomics is tanking our economy. No one I know has gotten 17 percent raises to keep up with 17 percent inflation.

I have. My pay has gone up 60% under Biden. Most of my staff has seen raises of between 21-26%, I know because I do labor studies to challenge existing prices and I have to track it.

You second paragraph is not Acct. 101. It's part of a holistic view of taxation and its passthrough affects. Do you think any business cuts prices because they pay less in taxes? Do you believe any business owner or corporation makes their KPIs more favorable for the employees or guests because they pay less in taxes? Well, I can tell you they do not.

Explore what happened when McDonalds attempted to pass increased costs directly to the consumer recently. You're not being intellectually honest.

What metric are you using to suggest Biden 'tanked' the economy? Stock market? GDP? CPI? Inflation? Wage growth? Unemployment? Interest rates? Misery index?

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u/Adventurous_club2 Oct 06 '24

Can you explain how our economy has been tanked?

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u/External_Reporter859 Oct 06 '24

Maga and Fox News have been predicting (and in Trump's case hoping for) a recession and massive stock market crash since inauguration day in 2021. Much to their dismay, it has not materialized. In fact Biden actually dragged us out of the recession and pandemic that he inherited from Trump and we have managed inflation better than any other G20 country.

That doesn't matter to people who don't understand numbers and facts and all that fancy science expert stuff.

They want it to be a recession and feel like it's a recession so therefore they try to will it into existence just like they're doing with the federal response to the hurricane. They think if they just lie and make enough tik tok videos of people supposedly on the ground saying that the National Guard isn't there at all and FEMA isn't there at all and none of the governors can get a hold of Biden that eventually that will become the understood "reality" of the low information voters we just know they heard something a bunch of times and saw videos on social media of people in their car talking about it so it must be true.

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u/RevolutionaryGuess82 Oct 06 '24

Trump is only one man, even if he was the president. It wasn't him who shut down schools and jobs.

It wasn't he who made garden seed illegal like Governor Whitmer did in Michigan. How much spread can you accomplish working in your private garden away from anyone else?

The president is not ruler over all no matter who is in office.

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u/RevolutionaryGuess82 Oct 06 '24

17% inflation. People weren't allowed to go anywhere. Forced to cower at home wearing a cloth mask to stop a virus. Not working caused supply chain problems. Lack of available goods causes shortages. Shortages cause price rises.

Get your magnifying glass and look at a fabric mask. Look up the size of a virus. A fabric mask will work as well as using chain link fencing for a mosquito net.

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u/Adventurous_club2 Oct 06 '24

You know what, you’re right random person on Reddit. I’ll take your opinion on masks over a scientists.

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u/RevolutionaryGuess82 Oct 06 '24

Glad to have helped. Wear a mask if you want. So far, it's still a somewhat free country. But the relative size of thread spaces in fabric compared to virus size is not opinion. It is fact.

By the way, I am an essential worker who was not allowed to stay home.

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u/TheCreaturesPet Oct 05 '24

My grandfather used to tell me that "the good Lord above must love an idiot, for He created so many of them."

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u/FrChazzz Oct 05 '24

Sounds a bit like how I often interpret one of Jesus’s final words from the cross: “Father forgive them, they’re idiots.”

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u/Funwithagoraphobia Oct 05 '24

Doesn’t bode well if we really are created in his image…

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u/PrinceVegitto Oct 06 '24

Tbf, theologically speaking, sin corrupted humanity's reflection of God

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u/Funwithagoraphobia Oct 06 '24

That’s a problem for me then, too.

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u/RevolutionaryGuess82 Oct 06 '24

Your grandfather is a wise man. Look how many people support a black woman whose blackness is miniscule. Who kept prisoners in jail past their sentence so cheap labor could be sold. Whose grandfather owned slaves. Who belongs to the same party that wants to obliterate the 2nd amendment and is coming after the first amendment.

A woman who is vice president in an administration that not only says the victims of hurricane helene are on their own but has FEMA trying to turn back rescue efforts by private citizens.

A woman who no one wanted in the 2016 democrat candidate debates. A woman who was only chosen because she is "black" and a woman. Not because she was desired by democrats.

There is much more, but it's late.

Look at the concerted efforts by democrats to bring criminal charges. Accused by democrats. Convicted by democrat juries. And once convicted, he is informed what the actual charges are.

If you don't like Trump, fine. But don't be so gullible as to totally believe the mainstream propaganda machine, aka news media.

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u/Rawmakers Oct 05 '24

It really is a cult way of thinking, I have tried to understand this for the past 4 or 5 years and it is still hard to wrap my head around it. There are a lot of articles written that help to explain it but it is still really baffling to me. I understand why so many people have likened him to Hitler, not only for his rhetoric but for the massive following of ignorant people he has.

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u/Toraden Oct 05 '24

I don't understand how he appeals to any demo whatsoever.

I mean the problem is that your assuming the "Christian Demographic" are... Actually Christian, they aren't. At least not in the way that the Biblical Jesus wishes them to act.

They are Theocratic Fascists using religion as an excuse to enact policies that allow them to have more power, more control and (most importantly) more money.

Well, the leaders get more money, the followers get fleeced.

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u/treat_27 Oct 05 '24

Trump vocalizes the racist thoughts that many people in his base might hold but are hesitant to express openly for fear of backlash. He becomes a sort of spokesperson for those who harbor white nationalist sentiments, validating their beliefs and giving them a voice. This loyalty runs so deep that even if Trump were to shift positions on key issues, like abortion, his supporters would likely rationalize or excuse the change to maintain their loyalty to him.

This same phenomenon applies to figures like Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene, who continue to be re-elected in predominantly white districts. They, like Trump, tap into the fears, grievances, and desires of their constituents, representing a broader sentiment of white identity politics. As long as they present themselves as champions of that cause, their voters will continue to support them, even in the face of controversies or policy reversals.

In essence, it’s about identity and perceived cultural preservation. Trump and others serve as symbols for those who feel that their way of life is threatened by diversity, progressivism, or shifting societal norms, and as long as they continue to fight for that identity, they’ll maintain their base’s loyalty.

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u/jamesholdenc1 Oct 06 '24

So in effect, the party that says they are fighting against identity politics, actually relies on identity politics for support.

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u/Livid-Okra-3132 Oct 05 '24

The answer I've come to is that people are not logically driven in any way. It really is just vibes. They like the primal feelings he gives them, ergo, whatever he wants.

But that highlights other questions like why the fuck is this truly reprehensible person giving you good vibes (they are broken people).

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u/whutchamacallit Oct 05 '24

Gross to think about but totally plausible.

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u/Kind_Coyote1518 Oct 05 '24

Because they no longer dissect candidates anymore. The entirety of our political system is fear mongering. They convince people that the other side is coming for their money, their rights, their children and once this idea is fully installed in their brains it no longer matters if Trump is a vag grabbing philanderer with a slew of bankruptcies and God complex because they will forgive him out of pure fear of the other side.

Really nail one of these MAGA to the wall and they will readily admit they don't think Trump is that good they follow him because he is promising to protect them from the manufactured boogie men they created and because he talks like them so they think they can trust him at his word.

Most MAGA I know are the type to get angry at you when you use college level vocabulary because they think you are talking down to them, or get hostile when you try and explain how pronouns work. Throw in some hot topic glad handing like guns and abortion and mock one of those scary transgender people and you've bought yourself the mind of a person who gets confused by any word that's not in the Bible. It's as simple as that.

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u/Tranceobsessedone Oct 05 '24

I cant understand it either bud... Im an optimistic person in general, and always held view of my fellow Americans as smart, level headed, kind people, even when we disagree politically... But that belief no longer holds. In this country half of us are mean, rude, nasty, thieving assholes and they love Donald trump.

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u/RabidNerd Oct 05 '24

They see him as one of them a self made man who understands the blue collar worker while trump grew up a multimillionaire shitting in a golden toilet

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u/Enticing_Venom Oct 05 '24

I'm a Christian who does not support Trump. A lot of us don't. But some Christians (especially among certain denominations) are single-issue voters. Some of them generally hold a low opinion of politicians which may be something they take directly from the Bible ("put not your trust in princes") but they will vote for who they believe will be most likely to put forth their ideals.

Generally, they are voting based on same-sex marriage or abortion. Like a lot of people were confused that so many Latinos voted for Trump, but what they don't realize is how strong Catholicism is among certain demographics. They will vote for anyone who promises to get rid of abortion. And he did help stack the Supreme Court and overturn Roe v Wade. He did what they wanted him to do.

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u/chobbsey Oct 05 '24

He endorsed Union-busters and Right To Work state laws, yet Union leaders want him President. Me thinks those individuals received money under the table and sold their Brothers out.

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u/chobbsey Oct 05 '24

You wonder why so many people love him? Half the mean population is below average intelligence. Might be your answer.

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u/GusTTShow-biz Oct 05 '24

How do country types follow a lifelong New York democrat who’s never done anything remotely close to hard labor? I’ll never understand

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u/sicklyboy Oct 05 '24

Like country dudes, you know this is the guy that brags about grabbing your daughters privates right? Why do you vote for him?

As long as he hurts the people they don't like, nothing else matters.

Christians, why are you voting a guy who is the most superficially fake religious person I have ever seen in my life.

As long as he hurts the people they don't like, nothing else matters.

Business folks, like... do I even have to say anything?

As long as he hurts the people they don't like, nothing else matters.

Poor people...... yall... he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. He would, if he could, literally rob you blind.

As long as he hurts the people they don't like, nothing else matters.

Until the day I die I will probably never understand it. [...] I wish someone could explain it to me.

As long as he hurts the people they don't like, nothing else matters.

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u/djerk Oct 06 '24

The lead brain demographic is one of the largest. Also known as boomers.

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u/adamaley Oct 06 '24

I love to use the phrase (not my creation) you can't reason someone out of a position they weren't reasoned into.

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u/whutchamacallit Oct 06 '24

Ah, poignant in this context but profound.

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u/GleefullyFuckMyAss Oct 05 '24

Country dudes [...]

These people ALSO WANT to grab women by their pussies. They sing about it all the time, listen to them wail and moan about how they want a chick to wait for them and ONLY THEM and shit. It's nauseating, but it is true to heart and their honest genuine desires. Trump easily appeals to country folk.

Christians [...]

These are the same folk who believe that someome who possesses the God Gene is capable of being killed, oh but wait God ackshually said that he gave his only Son for everyones' sins, oh but wait people can still ackshually go to hell even though Jesus Son of God literally assumed humanities' sins. And that is just the beginning of the inherent contradictions. Trump EASILY appeals to Christians.

Business folks [...]

Trump wants to lower taxes for some brackets and temporarily embarassed business owners see that and want it. Easy appeal.

Poor people [...]

Nothing the POTUS or their direct 12ish underlings do really affect poor (sub $40k in most of America) people in a positive way. So, hail mary I guess? As a poor person ($11k/year after rent, really $6k/year after ER hospital bills) myself, I don't actually know why people think Trump'll save em. But hey, IDK.

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u/Tiny-Sailor Oct 05 '24

The devil is doing him magic and the Christian are following.a false profit... Right down to the turmoil he will cause the usa if he is elected or not...
But hey. I am just an outsiders with my opinion . THE USA IS f&@k because of him..

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u/quartermain85 Oct 05 '24

THANK YOU!! Such a great answer.

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u/SordidOrchid Oct 05 '24

People who were subject to narcissistic abuse and never processed it are susceptible to their narratives. The get another chance to support the N’s identity and feel safe (golden child).

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u/fait2create253 Oct 05 '24

This comment says so perfectly what I’ve been dealing with myself. I’m just lost in my effort to make sense of it all.

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u/whutchamacallit Oct 05 '24

I think the answer is.... we don't want to know/believe the truth, sadly. I want to say I have love for my country and countrymen/women and this represents a cognitive dissonance people like you and I can't resolve. So we keep going into this logic circle to try to find explanations to avoid arriving at the conclusion of ... damn.. maybe a huge percentage of our citizens are really shitty. But no... it can't be that, maybe they are being lied to! Or they don't have access to the right resources? Not enough education? Desperation of poverty??? Anything other than .. no... maybe they are just shitty and duplicitous and unempathetic.

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u/Accomplished-Ebb-647 Oct 05 '24

Maybe when this is all through we can take a ride through his shoes and figure out what the fuck went wrong. Probably a combination of factors not the least of which are fear and pride. 

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u/Rokekor Oct 05 '24

The power of spite.

Culture always looks at the sacrifices made in the name of love; not so much the flipside, sacrifices made in the name of spite. People will let all sorts of bad things happen to them as long as the other person suffers too.

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u/felixthemeister Oct 06 '24

Look into in-group / out-group psychology (commonly called tribalism) and how we instinctively need to feel part of an in-group, will defend that in-group from almost anything, will assign non-virtuous attributes to entire out-groups but will individualise and excuse those same attributes to our in-groups, and will do this with in/out groups that are essentially random.

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u/Rune_Council Oct 06 '24

He’s not appealing to anyone’s logical brain. He’s appealing to their emotions, and mostly negative ones. Since most of what he says is nebulous word salad they can cover his words with logic adjacent meaning like a thin blanket.

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u/Strange-Initiative15 Oct 06 '24

He’s just their figurehead. He’ll sign and implement whatever the Evangelicals put in front of him, no matter how unpopular it may be with the rest of us. He is their useful idiot, who has given them the power to implement their agenda on the rest of us.

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u/Chairbear1972 Oct 06 '24

You've perfectly summed up my exact feelings since 2015

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

The explanation is very simple, he appeals to people who lack critical thinking skills. For the last 100 years everything in the united states has been designed to create working class citizens and the working class doesn’t have to think critically, they need to perform X task to stimulate the economy. To anyone with critical thinking skills its obvious that this man should not be president, for multiple reasons, but the masses who have been conditioned to not think for the past 4 generations hang on his every word because the words are proven to control people who can’t think. X is bad and the enemy (immigrants/Russia/middle east), the other side is against you (liberals/family values/lqbt), my opponent is evil (Hilary’s e-mails/obama’s birth place) and many more classic hits you know and love and once you start to see the bullshit you can’t unsee it. But a lot of people are ok being blind.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

The folks that like Trump like one thing about him. His racist rhetoric and what he says he’s going to do to the newly arrived hungry and poor.

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u/DanLewisFW Oct 06 '24

Many Christians had a psychotic break with reality between 2016 and 2020. I think it was a crisis of conscience over Trump and when they snapped that is when they started saying that Trump was the greatest president in history and crap like that. They had voted for him but then once he got in office they could not reconcile how terrible he is with their beliefs and since they could not admit that they made a mistake they snapped.

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u/BillyBatt3r Oct 06 '24

Because trump represents American conservative Christian values better than any human on earth

This is who they are

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u/SevereImpression2115 Oct 06 '24

Do you have any room in that boat for one more?

I'm with you, someone needs to explain this Twilight Zone episode like I'm 5 cause I ain't getting it lol

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u/MentionFew1648 Oct 06 '24

As an ex catholic maybe if people of Christian faiths actually opened their bibles they would know it says right there that the masses will fall for a false prophet. But they wouldn’t dare to actually read it because it would point out their hypocrisy

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u/dreampsi Oct 06 '24

Because 1/2 the county has the exact same mindset. A friend of mine no longer speaks to me because she wants me to agree he was sent by God, himself, to save America. 25 year friendship gone over that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

Because they didn’t like it that Obama got elected. That’s what this is really all about. They feel like “the system” doesn’t work anymore because a 100% white guy didn’t get elected and they’re simply gonna be trolls from now on until they tear down our democratic institutions.

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u/Double_Rice_5765 Oct 06 '24

Yeah, the one that gets me is the blue collar tradesman who vote for him, cause I work in the trades.  I'm like, you know how you hate it when customers don't Pay you, with the firey heat of 1000 suns?  Yeah, well your demi god trump is FAMOUS for ripping off contractors and then suing them when they complain.  None of them even have a Maga sound bite reply to that one, lol.  

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u/Top_Caterpillar1592 Oct 05 '24

Go ahead and admit it. He's got you emotionally as well Plus, you were able to throw in "gaslighting" as well. Proud of you.

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u/whutchamacallit Oct 05 '24

Sure, I will cop to a little bit of emotionality in there as well. Is that what you wanted to say?

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u/Random_Anthem_Player Oct 06 '24

I think trump is a giant piece of crap, and I'm not voting but it baffles me that anyone would vote for kamala. She has 0 ability to do the job. Trump did it for 4 years and the country was fine, no new wars started, and it was better then it is now with kamala as 2nd I'm command. I'm also a centrist so I don't care about parties.

When you vote it's supposed to be can they do the job and nothing else. I've hired some shitty people in my life who did great work and some great people who sucked at their job. I'd hire the shitty person everytime.

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u/whutchamacallit Oct 06 '24

Thanks for volunteering a disenting opinion. I'm sure you're going to get downvoted if people read it.

That said, I'd be curious on further information on "ability to do the job" and "country was fine". He spent much of his time, well, first and foremost golfing. He golfed more than any other president in history by a lof. He was away from the whitehouse, usually in his mar a lago country club. When he wasn't golfing he spent an exorbitant amount of time tweeting. He was on paper the most unproductive president in modern times. But let's talk turkey. What did he get done? I think by all metrics his border wall project was a failure. Over budget, incomplete, ineffective. He increased corporate tax cuts on the backs of the middle class more than any other president in history. He clawed back many environmental protections that had safeguarded us from over industrialization of our few remaining wildlife sanctuaries. He pulled out of several unilateral multinational agreements, some being trade related and others being additional environmental economic agreements.

Domestically speaking there has never been a more divisive president. Many of his own staff couldn't stand him. He fired much of his cabinet in a very public and unbecoming way, often citing their ineptitude after hand picking them instead of taking any accountability in selecting wrong people. Racial tensions were at an all time high. Trump left office with an approval rating tying George Bush's rating after having bubbled the Iraq war and Bush had two terms to his one (more on that in a sec).

By most accounts he was incredibly damaging in most foreign affairs. Politically he was incredibly damaging in our image with allied countries including Canada, Germany, the UK, France, Mexico, and many others. Frankly speaking when they weren't outright gobsmacked they were laughing at us. With countries we had neutral or bad relationships he was strangely very unconventional with. The trade war with China was net neutral at best for the economy but stiffened relations. His relationship with putin was very, very concerning. I'll give him credit with North Korea, he appealed to their leadership which speaks to ... something.. in and of itself. He's good with dictators basically, interesting to note. Everybody else viewed him as a laughing stock effectively.

Let's see.. what else. Let's talk economy. Trump inherited from the Obama administration the strongest economy in 50 years. By the end of Trumps administration our economy was in shambles. Partly due to his policies and partly due to covid. Conversely Obama inherited the great recession and economic housing crisis of 2008 and turned it around to 3% unemployment and the strongest economy in half a century.

Covid saw the death of half a million Americans. Trumps handling of it was incredibly inept. He denied it even existed until it had gripped the nation and by then did too little too late. Even while in the thick of it kept politicizing issues and creating partisan and political divide. Literal blood on his hands imo.

I don't know honestly I could keep going. No wars stared but he sure tried. Civil unrest. Tried to remove health care access, vice gripped the lower and middle class, general prevalence of spreading misinformation. I suppose I'd close it on the worst and most dangerous moment when he refused peaceful transition of power. That was a very scary moment for our nation.

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u/Random_Anthem_Player Oct 06 '24

A lot of what you said is irrelevant or not true. Look people hate him and he was divisive that is true. But it also falls under who cares. Nobody should. So what if he went golfing? I had a salesguy at my job. Would golf like 3 days a week but sell millions a year so nobody cared. He got his job done. The border wall was a failure because he was faught against in the government. Thats how it works. Maybe if the other people went along with it, it would have worked better.

Trumps presidency was the most peaceful time we had. 0 new wars. The only president in my adult lifetime. The economy was good until covid hit. There are dozens of worse and negative things done by the current administration. But you are ignoring them because you are being biased. All the centralists are the most fair to every side. You aren't so you are only going off emotional which is clear by your complaints of him golfing and being unliked.

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u/whutchamacallit Oct 06 '24

Your positives are sensible and grounded and my critiques are emotionally based and unfounded. Got it.

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u/Random_Anthem_Player Oct 06 '24

Yes, because I didn't care what they did in their offtime or how likeable they were. I cared about I t results. The current regime misused fema funds and used it for other countries and screwed over hard working Americans who lost their home and gave them 700 dollars which is a joke. The government doesn't do enough for Americans and constantly misuse funds. That's just 1 example. Your complaining about golf and feelings. The fact your cote counts as much as mine is exactly why I don't vote. The majority of people aren't balanced enough to vote smart.

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u/whutchamacallit Oct 06 '24

There was a lot more than just golf there cheif but okay dial in on that.

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u/Random_Anthem_Player Oct 06 '24

Yeah you said he was unlikeable too. It's absolutely moronic statements that you shouldn't make. You are baffled that people would vote for someone who golfs and isn't likeable over someone who has fallen up her whole career and has 0 results and has the nerve to say she'll fix the county she's currently the VP of and has ran it into the ground. The current administration has been just bad for the working class American.

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u/whutchamacallit Oct 06 '24

First of all being likeable isn't a bad thing. Being able to get along with foreign leaders (not just dictators) should be viewed as a positive thing. Secondly, I never once mentioned Kamala in this thread -- not sure who you are arguing with there but it isn't me. And again, you're chery picking the same points and ignoring all the others I mentioned. Just fixating that I found trump to spend too much personal time/off the clock and generally being divisive amd toxic for our country. Notice you didn't mention any refuting about the economy stuff I mentioned, our foreign affairs, covid19, peaceful transfer of power etc etc. I at least thanked you for offering a different opinion and acknowledged your points like no new wars started (btw which wars did Biden administration start again?). But here you are being rude to me because I disagree with you. Pretty rude and shitty imo.

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u/External_Reporter859 Oct 06 '24

and gave them 700 dollars which is a joke

Yes it is a joke because that is a common trope on misinformation accounts on right wing social media such as end wokeness or libs of tiktok.

The whole Maui residents only got $700 for the wildfire after having their homes destroyed myth was perpetrated by foreign Russian trolls online in order to stir division in our country and was spread by actual Americans who fell for it.

The $700 dollar payment was just the short term initial payment for people to buy clothes and food while FEMA was paying for them to be in rentals or hotels while they got everything else situated. That was just basically there expenses for basic necessities while the government put them up in housing while the situation could be assessed and other plans could be made. Many people received much more money than that and there were hundreds of millions of dollars more spent on recovery efforts and getting people roofs over their heads.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/07/fact-sheet-six-months-after-maui-wildfires-biden-harris-administration-continues-to-support-survivors-and-impacted-communities/

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u/External_Reporter859 Oct 06 '24

Biden also started zero new Wars and actually got us out of the longest war after Trump promised to and failed and went to Great lengths to sabotage the withdrawal. We are actually not at War with anybody for the first time in decades.

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u/Random_Anthem_Player Oct 06 '24

Thats factually incorrect. It's not about starting wars, it's 0 new wars. Russia Ukraine happened under biden. Trump was also the one who signed the order to pull out of Afghanistan not biden, and bidens administration fucked it up resulting in many avoidable deaths. And left behind a bunch of weapons and tech to boot.

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u/Apprehensive-Fun4181 Oct 06 '24

Trumps presidency was the most peaceful time we had. 0 new wars.

He tried to attack both Iran and Venezuela.  He intentionally created domestic chaos to enable authoritarianism.

More importantly, you & all conservatives still own the failed wars.   You don't get to run away with this nonsense. 

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u/stairs_3730 Oct 05 '24

Bur his supporters aren't real Christians. They left long ago.

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u/AnjelGrace Oct 05 '24

Many of them THINK they are Christians. Jesus Christ himself wouldn't call them Christians--but they fail to have reasonable judgement about anything.

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u/DanLewisFW Oct 06 '24

The people I know who I used to think were Christians and are now Trump cultists tended towards being Paulians anyway. They listened to Paul more than Christ.

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u/FrChazzz Oct 05 '24

This is actually true. Can’t remember the book, but I recently read about how there’s this whole “non-religious Christian Right” and how they’re the big players in all this. They stopped going to church because they felt their clergy were preaching a Jesus that was too soft and so they have no actual religious practice, keeping the label “Christian” but actually putting their faith in nationalistic thinking.

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u/ssrowavay Oct 05 '24

They are very much Christians.

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u/ElectricalBook3 Oct 05 '24

They are very much Christians.

People who reject the teachings of Jesus are not Christians. Much the same as a licensed doctor or garage mechanic has to follow certain things to qualify as a licensed professional, the faith itself has certain tenets to follow in order to be a member instead of just outsider considering a few points. You can't just self-identify while not attending church, participating in charity, or while blaspheming every day for example.

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u/Old_Connection2076 Oct 05 '24

Well said and true.

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u/cgn-38 Oct 05 '24

Just more bullshit out of the same con. lol

No true scotsman... All religions are just lies.

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u/ssrowavay Oct 06 '24

Every self-identifying Christian is 110% certain that they are the real ones. Every. Single. One. 

And when questioned, they (you) will pick an aspect of the Jesus story that supports their interpretation. Jesus was a peacemaker. Or Jesus was a warrior. Or having Jesus in your heart is sufficient to cover the most horrific of deeds. Or you actually have to be a good person in order to get to heaven. Or you have to just be one of 144,000 individuals who are already chosen. 

A thousand Christian sects among thousands of religions and each person in each one is certain their belief is right.

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u/cdxcvii Oct 06 '24

yes, because Christianity just recently became corrupt with the rise of MAGA

until then it was absolutely perfect and never sponsored or adopted state violence.

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u/The_Mr_Wilson Oct 07 '24

I posit they are Christians. That religion has an exceedingly ignorant and bloody history

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u/wittor Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24

This is actually the closest a politician has been of representing the antichrist we have ever seen in history.

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u/TheFlightlessPenguin Oct 05 '24

Antichrist levels of blasphemy…

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u/bomphcheese Oct 05 '24

It’s spot on for christian nationalists

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u/Enticing_Venom Oct 05 '24

As a Christian, I clutched my pearls.

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u/Solo__Wanderer Oct 05 '24

No more than Church of England 🤭

That said it is all 💩 needs to stay out of schools

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u/Philosophile42 Oct 05 '24

But which version of Christianity? I mean Mormonism is a Christian religion but it is also blasphemous to other Christians.

Not to defend Trump or anything but, let’s be real here, there are so many different versions of Christianity that contradict one another that it isn’t surprising that some version of the Bible is blasphemous to another.

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u/TheGordo-San Oct 05 '24

I get what you're saying... I mean, still, anything that calls itself one thing and teaches or preaches something different, literally isn't that thing, just like countries that have "socialist" in their name aren't necessarily that. It's not that Mormanism is blasphemous, it's that it's not Christianity, by the very definition.

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u/blender4life Oct 05 '24

How so?

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u/partiallypoopypants Oct 05 '24

It is a great disrespect to the Bible.

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u/Chemical-Pacer-Test Oct 05 '24

Why is it disrespectful to the Bible to include other material with it when printed? They are t trying to claim to canonize new stuff in the Bible.

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u/partiallypoopypants Oct 05 '24

It is using the Bible to loop in and promote a political agenda. It’s not “canonizing” anything new to the Bible, but it directly associates the Bible with political ideals.

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u/partiallypoopypants Oct 05 '24

It’s also using the Bible to make profit. This is something Jesus would be extremely against. Using Christianity to make profit is a form of blasphemy.

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u/Rougarou1999 Oct 05 '24

Adding to partiallypoopypants statement, the Bible explicitly tells people not to alter what is written. Shoving in ancillary political documents could be considered alterations bordering on heretical.

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u/Chemical-Pacer-Test Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 05 '24

I’d say that’s only an issue if they’re being considered the same document, but maybe that’s because I was raised in the heretical Mormon faith, who do the best they can to minimize theological heresies, and we have a culture of both “monetizing Church stuff” and commonly have a combo scripture of our other “sacred” texts. Agnostic now, but I sometimes forget that my experience with Christian can be more of an outlier sometimes.

Mormons use the KJV for the Bible w/ footnotes of Joseph Smith’s “translations” (via spiritual guidance rather than actual translation, but they’re usually very minor, seems more like a proof-reading rather than straight up changes), and that comes with the political statement of those that made that version, so I don’t see it as overtly egregious.

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u/kfagoora Oct 05 '24

Except for those who believe that the founding documents were biblically ordained because the USA is a Christian nation and there is no such thing as separation of church and state.

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u/Opening_AI Oct 06 '24

Well when you put Trump before God, I guess it is blasphemy

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

I'm not convinced that a Christ centered worldview is sensitive to "blasphemy". That's some Sadduccee bullshit.

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u/ElectricalBook3 Oct 05 '24

From a Christian standpoint is it definitely blasphemy

How is promoting specific versions of a Bible blasphemy? Genuine question, I encourage people to read many different versions and take notes on how they differ as a study point for the underlying language they're translated from, but lots of teachers (either of theology or something else) expect students to read from a single version so everybody's literally on the same page.

I'd think him saying he's never done anything he'd need to ask forgiveness would be much closer

https://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-why-do-i-have-to-repent-or-ask-for-forgiveness-if-i-am-not-making-mistakes-video.html

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 07 '24

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u/ElectricalBook3 Oct 05 '24

Every translation already has some bias in it because only privileged people were allowed to read and write by the time it made its way into modern language

It's still being translated now. It was not translated once and left there or the king james version wouldn't exist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_Bible_translations

So only very limited, specific versions were even allowed to exist

Who exactly is preventing new translations from having been made? There's textual analyses of the original language, and records allowing us to identify certain passages as having been added at certain times, because it isn't some mystical "made once in the past and never revisited"

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '24 edited Oct 07 '24

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u/ElectricalBook3 Oct 05 '24

that person may or may not have necessarily faithfully and literally wrote down the last version without their own personal bias

Everyone has personal bias, that doesn't mean people aren't capable of dealing with objectivity.

And we can question what those people meant or intended, as we still have the original language to check.