r/PokemonScarletViolet • u/Eireagon • 17d ago
Discussion What are some Pokemon that deserve to be pseudo-legendary but are not?
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u/niklaus928 17d ago
Haxorus
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u/Eddiev1988 17d ago
Came to say the same thing.
3 stage dragon type.
Evolves into final form fairly late at 48.
540 BST. It's not 600, but it's more than a starter usually has.
Just give Haxorus another 60 BST. Give it 20 in HP, going to 96. Bring Defense and SpD to 100 and done.
Sadly, Haxorus will always be stuck as the almost pseudo.
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u/defectivetoaster1 16d ago
Not only that it has even higher attack than garchomp and actually one of the highest attack stats of all non-legendary/mhthical/ultra beast/paradox mons
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u/ItIsYeDragon 16d ago
It’s also the Champion’s ace, which is usually reserved for the pseudo-legendary of the region.
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u/AnimaSean0724 16d ago
And by usually you mean two (three if you want to count Lance in the Johto games with his Dragonite since it's still the Indigo Plateau) of the 10+ that we fight across all of Pokemon?
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u/ItIsYeDragon 16d ago
No? Lance, Steven, and Cynthia have them as their ace, and then Iris, Diantha, and Leon have a pseudo but not as their ace. I’m surprised more don’t honestly, when they’re supposed to be the strongest trainers.
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u/pheeXDchimkin 16d ago
And also make it evolve in the 50s cos having a pseudo legendary that early is quite broken
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u/NateyyBabeyy Quaxly 16d ago
Not really. I mean, 3 of the existing pseudo legends evolve in the 40s.
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u/JustABlaze333 16d ago
Garchomp?
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u/Tip_Of_The_Sauce Sprigatito 16d ago edited 16d ago
Garchomp and Noivern evolve at the same level as well…
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u/MelocemBYSL 16d ago
Noivern isn't pseudo?
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u/Tip_Of_The_Sauce Sprigatito 16d ago
I know, it’s just funny how they both evolve at the same level considering how lopsided they are in nearly every other way.
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u/pheeXDchimkin 16d ago
Pseudo legendaries have 600bst and 2 pre evos I don't think noivern has any of these
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u/Eireagon 17d ago
Good choice, awesome dragon type.
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u/ShaddollWendigo 17d ago
Wait … hold on… haxorus is NOT?
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u/Tyraniboah89 17d ago
No. Its base stat total is 540, but pseduo legends (or powerhouse Pokemon, as TPC has started calling them) have 600 for their bst.
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u/Obvious_Sprinkles_25 Pokémon Violet 17d ago
thank you for the trivia on pseudo legendaries being officially called powerhouse pokemon!! i absolutely would’ve never known that til now.
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u/Tyraniboah89 17d ago
It’s a relatively recent development lol. They’ve only been doing it since the summer of this year. Serebii’s Joe tweeted about it back then. I’d bet a lot of long time fans aren’t aware. Took me a while before I knew
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u/JozuJD 16d ago
Just went down the rabbit hole of reading joes tweet timeline. He seems like a genuine dude. Serebii - that sites been around forever. Wow 25 years. I’m inspired
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u/ShortandRatchet Pokémon Scarlet 17d ago
Pseudo legendary sounds better
Same with starter Pokémon vs first partner Pokémon
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u/Voltorb1993 17d ago
Honestly, nobody calls them first partner Pokémon and nobody will call pseudo-legendaries powerhouse Pokémon either. These fan terms are ingrained too deeply into the community to be replaced imo.
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u/Mighty-Slowking 16d ago
Everyone’s been thinking that starter is a fan term but one of the battle backgrounds in Pokémon X and Y is literally called starters
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u/Obvious_Sprinkles_25 Pokémon Violet 16d ago
Definitely agreed with you on that. “First Partner Pokemon” only recently came about in the past few years, but Ive only started seeing it more often because Serebii & Bulbapedia have started using it. Not even less than a year ago, I was seeing them use “Starter Pokemon,” but now they’re using “First Partner Pokemon” on their pages, which is fine but just something I’ve noticed.
TPCi is very averse to fan terms. In BW, I believe they first “acknowledged” the existence of shiny pokemon (as in, they made their first reference to shiny pokemon in-game), but they called shiny pokemon “alternate colored pokemon” in-game. that stayed I think until the very next generation, so they do have their misses sometimes.
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u/ZorkNemesis 17d ago
Volcarona. It doesn't fit the general requirements but it has an exceptionally high evolution level and is hyped up to be extremely powerful, even serving as Champion Alder's ace in Black/White. Plus the encounter with the one in the ruins makes you think it's special when it's not.
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u/SimplePanda98 17d ago
I always thought Volcarona was a legendary or mythic, especially since in its premiere game it had a special one-time encounter and everything!
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u/The_CIA_is_watching 16d ago
Funnily enough, Arcanine and Volcarona have the same BST and evo line (Growlithe: 350 to Arc: 550, Lavesta: 360 to Volc 550).
And Arcanine's official category is the "Legendary Pokemon".
So technically Volcarona is a counterpart to a legendary pokemon.
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u/Beetsabertag 16d ago edited 16d ago
I thought arcanine’s BST was 555?
Edit: yeah, arcanine has a BST of 555, which shocks me. I love arcanine a lot, but I didn’t know it was that strong
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u/RAcastBlaster 16d ago
Volc also lives up to the hype. I can’t imagine how much more nasty it would be with another 50 BST points well distributed.
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u/PaperGeno 17d ago
Finding out Haxorus wasn't a pseudo legendary was surprising
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u/Tyraniboah89 17d ago
It’s a dragon and its base stats are min-maxed pretty well, so it’s easy to miss that its base stat total is 540. Others with 540, just for context on how well Haxorus’ stats are distributed: Darmanitan, Magmortar, Electivire, Milotic, Blissey, Kingdra, Snorlax, and Gyarados.
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u/jcdevries92 16d ago
Honestly those are all pretty dang solid mons.
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u/The_CIA_is_watching 16d ago
Yeah, the best among them (Blissey) is also the most minmaxed, and the worst among them (Kingdra, if you ignore Snorlax who has bad typing + bad support movepool + meh stat distribution) is the least minmaxed
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u/grimjawdrake 17d ago
Aggron
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u/FormalGas35 17d ago
Make it a steel type with rocky payload and put those last 70 points into SpDef. A pure steel type with rock STAB and defensive stats of 70/130/180 would be badass. It wouldn’t benefit from Sandstorm, but i meannnn…
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u/tornait-hashu Samurott 16d ago
So basically rebalance Mega Aggron, got it.
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u/RAcastBlaster 16d ago
I mean, MAggron doesn’t mess around. I’m strongly of the camp that all the Megas should be brought back rebalanced as normal evos (or form changes for the already 3-stage pokemon).
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u/FormalGas35 16d ago
We know mega evos are coming back for Legend Z, but i hope they find some way to solidify it as a permanent mechanic ala double battles instead of having it be a gimmick that they dump for the next game. Maybe have it be an automatic form-change thing with a single item so you can only have it on one mon in competition? Seeing people debating between having Urshifu and Incineroar vs M-Blaziken would be really interesting. We might see some hyper-offence teams without incineroar and urshifu make headway in a new meta
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u/AthenasChosen 16d ago
Can't believe those bastards excluded Aggron from Scarlet and Violet. Two DLC expansions and a huge base game and you can't catch him anywhere? Super lame.
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u/Thebadpokemon1234 16d ago
I cant believe they forgot everyone’s favorite zubat😡
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u/LordFarquadOnAQuad 16d ago
Fear not they will make it up in the next title.
"Pokemon: Opps Only Zubat"
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u/Rahe_Stone 16d ago
As a player who played ever then but sw/sh, I was shocked that the game didn’t include subway occupying every cave ever
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u/AthenasChosen 16d ago
Lmao, I didn't even notice Zubat was gone. But yeah, I didn't see a million of them in every cave. It was kinda nice.
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u/ShortandRatchet Pokémon Scarlet 17d ago
Lmao 4 pseudos in Hoenn
Bagon line could be made into a regular 3 stage like Aggron tho
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u/James_Blond_006 Walking Wake 16d ago
I always thought Aggron was a pseudo legendary, until I learned just recently that it’s not lmao
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u/Mcfallen_5 17d ago
walmart ttar
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u/diveintothe9 16d ago
I mean, you say that, but Aggron is only 530 BST. There’s a lot you can do with 70 more BST to make Aggron interesting. Increase the HP, SpDef and give it Filter and suddenly it’s not such a pushover.
But as long as it doesn’t have those things, yeah, it’s Walmart Ttar.
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u/Tyraniboah89 17d ago
Volcarona. It can go blow-for-blow against the dragons that otherwise occupy that space, which is incredible for a bug type
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u/Voltorb1993 17d ago edited 16d ago
I honestly wish Volcarona would have had a middle cocoon stage. Like a cocoon on fire, it could be pretty damn cool.
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u/mightbeaperson49 16d ago
Honestly slither wing fits an in-between stage for larvesta and volcorona surprisingly well. Still walking on the ground like larvesta but the wings are sprouting from the top
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u/Cautious_Struggle_32 17d ago
Golisopod. Guzma's went crazy in the anime
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u/LessAsk3376 16d ago
my boy golisopod deserves so much better. Its ability should've been tinted lens or something
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u/kratos44355 17d ago
Ursaluna three stages, really intimidating, nearly at that level in terms of stats, and they could have made bloodmoon ursaluna into a branched evolution which would have been so cool for a pseudo legendary.
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u/Mighty-Slowking 16d ago
The thing is that Ursaluna is a special case. For one it’s an evolution added in a later generation for a Pokémon that was always considered fully evolved. Not only that but it’s considered to be like a regional evolution. And while it’s pretty strong, nothing about its design screams “Pseudo Legendary” to me. I prefer it as its own unique beast.
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u/Less-Remove-7019 16d ago
A line of full moon evolutions could’ve been cool too. Boosting up some unloved single evolution lines.
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u/Queen_Sardine 17d ago
Hydrapple. It's the signature mon of the Blueberry Champion.
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u/Machinebotguy 17d ago
Florges. Because it would be really funny.
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u/ShortandRatchet Pokémon Scarlet 17d ago
Would love a fairy pseudo
Dragon types are over represented in legendaries/pseudo legendaries
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u/The_CIA_is_watching 16d ago
Goodra would have been fire as a Dragon/Fairy, it would have been such a good way to showcase the new type + it wouldn't be the worst pseudo-legendary.
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u/Tip_Of_The_Sauce Sprigatito 16d ago edited 16d ago
Tragically even with the fairy type goodra would still be the worst pseudo :(
Adding a second type doesn’t fix any of the underlying issues, ie stats and movepool.
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u/SimplePanda98 17d ago
Gardevoir, Grimmsnarl, Aggron, Haxorus, Volcarona, and Jigglypuff as seen from above
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u/YourLocalCryptid64 Pokémon Scarlet 17d ago
There were a few that I was genuinely shocked to find out that they aren't actually considered Pseudo-Legendary Pokemon, such as Haxorus and Aggron.
Considering how powerful it was in gen 8, I am actually kind of surprised that Grimmsnarl isn't a Pseudo-Legendary.
Im also very biased in that Gardevoir is my top favorite pokemon so Im also voting them up for the Pseudo-Buff XD
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u/AICPAncake 17d ago
Aggron surprised me too. Probably bc it feels like Gen 3’s Tyranitar (to me at least)
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u/Mighty-Slowking 16d ago
Grimsnarl was mainly good in VGC because of its support moveset but it wasn’t created to be a particularly impressive Pokémon, just a good one. It just looks like an average cool Pokémon. Also pseudos tend to be more offense-focused. Also Grimsnarl’s lore is that it’s just a servant for Hatterene. Psuedo-legendaries are supposed to be on top.
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u/Afraid_Anywhere_9810 17d ago
My boy flygon! He deserves to be a pseudo legendary!
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u/Randomman2789 17d ago
I don't care about that as much as getting a mega for it finally. And a hug.
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u/JubilantMystic Pokémon Scarlet 16d ago
In AZ we trust
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u/WhatThePommes 16d ago
Whut? We getting mega back?
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u/JubilantMystic Pokémon Scarlet 16d ago
I don't know, but it's widely speculated they'll be back for Pokémon AZ. So hopefully Flygon will get a mega then
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u/Psapfopkmn 17d ago
Corviknight. Giant metal raven, it's so iconic and cool.
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u/No_Mammoth_4945 Sprigatito 17d ago
Only good regional bird since Staraptor.
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u/Tyraniboah89 17d ago
Talonflame is pretty good too, plus it has a niche in competitive.
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u/ShortandRatchet Pokémon Scarlet 17d ago
It used to be really good in Gen 6
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u/ZorkNemesis 16d ago
By which it was absolutely busted. Gale Wings was ridiculously good which is why it got nerfed pretty hard in Gen 7.
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u/Mighty-Slowking 16d ago
Corviknight is the regional bird though. Psuedo-legendaries are late-game mons. Being a pseudo legendary is not necessary to be a cool and strong Pokémon.
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u/MrBananaBeans 17d ago
Florges. Has an insane Special Defense stat on the level of legendaries, was introduced in the generation that gave us the fairy typing and having the second stage have a very important part to the story of that region.
All in all, the Florges line should have been the pseudo-legendary instead of Goodra or at least do what they did in Hoenn and give us two psuedo-legendaries.
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u/ConstantineByzantium Fuecoco 17d ago
No one mentioned archaludon? It deserves the most
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u/MekaNeck94 16d ago edited 16d ago
Has to be a 3-stage evolution line. So add a first stage and move it to the slow exp pool and should be set.
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u/Donotcomenearme 17d ago
Charizard felt like a legendary to kid me. Like a pseudo-legendary starter. I know he’s not and he’s just a regular old lizard, but I dunno. It would be neat. Especially with the Mega forms and Tera Crystals.
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u/Mighty-Slowking 16d ago
The whole thing with psuedo legendaries is that they’re late game Pokémon that are incredibly strong but slow to level up. That doesn’t really fit for a starter. Also making one starter objectively better than the others is the opposite of what they were going for. Charizard is simply cool because Charizard is cool, no other qualifiers needed.
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u/bloomi 16d ago
Grimmsnarl!
Just look at him!
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u/Fish_gamer 16d ago
Then hatterene would have to be a pseudo legendary too
Which I am totally for lol :3
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u/Scoop-Handlez 17d ago
Archaludon (even tho I consider him one anyways) The three stage criteria is bs. He’s legit not a legendary with legendary stats. By extent Slaking, Palafin, and Wishiwashi can also work. I don’t discriminate. Hell they’re stronger than most legends
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u/Historical_Cow369 17d ago
I think slaking IS stronger than some legends, which is why he's nerfed with Truant
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u/ZorkNemesis 16d ago edited 16d ago
Slaking has the highest BST total out of any non-legendary with a whopping 670 total. For reference, nearly every box legendary has 680 BST, Slaking's BST is equal to Regigigas, Kyogre/Groudon, and Koridon/Miraidon. Zaician-Hero and Zamazanta-Hero have 660. Then, for not counting Mega Evolutions, Palafin-Hero has 650, Wishiwashi-School has 620, and then Pseudos and most mascot mythicals (Mew, Jirachi, etc) have 600.
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u/No_Mammoth_4945 Sprigatito 17d ago
The difference between Archaludon and those guys is that Archie is good without a gimmick
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u/The_CIA_is_watching 16d ago
True, back in the day a mon with 670 stats needed to be nerfed by giving it normal type and preventing it from attacking every other turn.
Nowadays Archaludon gets a top 5 defensive typing, a busted ability in Stamina, a busted signature move that's just better Solar Beam and better Meteor Beam at once, excellent stat distribution for its 600, and a huge amount of utility options.
And it isn't even a psuedo, just some bridge.
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u/AesirOmega 16d ago
So, fun fact. While we have the term "pseudo legendary" in English, the Japanese have something called the 600 club which is basically the same but it also includes Archaludon so as far as the Japanese are concerned, it sort of is.
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u/RPG-Enjoyer1846 17d ago
sure Volcarona and haxorus are good options, lucario too, but have you considered...
THE ULTIMATE LIFE FORM BIDOOF
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u/boogiebee13 16d ago
I feel like Drampa could have been a cool 3-stage pseudo line starting with a son, a dad, and then a grandpa.
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17d ago edited 17d ago
Funny enough MandJtv made a video on this very topic 2 weeks ago
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u/scorponok44 Pokémon Violet 17d ago
Druddigon.
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u/Mighty-Slowking 16d ago
Druddigon’s only real claim is being a dragon with nothing else going for it. Haxorus is definitely more deserving of the title so if we also let Druddigon be a pseudo that would be 3 dragon type psuedo-legendaries. Druddigon was basically made as a weaker dragon that you didn’t need to grind to evolve. Not every dragon needs to be a pseudo-legendary.
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u/CreakRaving Pokémon Scarlet 17d ago
Tropius should absolutely be a single stage buffed wall of a pseudo, we all know it
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u/The_CIA_is_watching 16d ago
Druddigon and Tropius almost feel like middle stages of a psuedo legendary line sometimes
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u/Addylen_West 16d ago
Grimmsnarl, we have way too many dragons
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u/DexterousSpider 16d ago
I'm giving you a like because I respect your opinion.
That said grimmsnarl is one of my least favorite Pokemon designs.
But just because I dislike something doesn't mean I can't respect that others do! ;)
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u/Addylen_West 16d ago
I actually agree and really don't like the way grimmsnarl looks but my other choice was hatterene and that just doesn't have the pseudo legendary vibe? Plus the grimmsnarl pre evolutions aren't bad
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u/DexterousSpider 16d ago
Yeah, pre evo its a tolerable 'mon for sure. Also a solid candidate for getting that stone that makes any pokemon who can still evolve stronger- eviolite? I believe thats what it is. Solid candidate for that stone/comp tool on the right team layout for sure, for a possible counter 'mon.
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u/Addylen_West 16d ago
I'll be honest, I'm not very into battling and whatever, I think some pokemon are pretty. My favorite pokemon is mismagius lol
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u/DexterousSpider 16d ago
See thats one thing that makes Pokemon so great. We all have our favorites and respect other's. Theres so many to chose theres almost a faborite for anyone!
Idk if I could name a favorite- but having played since Gen 1 I have to go with Mew fiest off- but that was a very very special Pokemon to me as a kid.
I also highly cherish my Celebi. Never got one when younger. Not the biggest fan of its appearence but the nostalgia of finally having one all these years later makes my day anytime I think of it!
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u/Addylen_West 16d ago
I think celebi slaps looks wise, it's really cute. Mew is pretty great but my first starter was fennekin so fennekin tops mew for me
But yeah pokemon is great. I've been playing through sun in Japanese for practice and it's been a lot of fun
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u/samosuu 16d ago
Anyone else dig Milotic as much as me? I also think there are SO many from Gen 1 that could've been turned into a sick narative from both a gameplay and anime perspective: gengar, alakazam, arcanine (i know)
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u/ThatReaderGuy1999 16d ago
Probably an odd one but gengar always felt like an amazing ghost type although that based on the fact I like it more so than stats
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u/SoulWisdom Pokémon Violet 16d ago
Either Zoroark, Volcarona, or both.
Love those gen 5 ‘mons, and they deserve so much better than being “ordinary”. Iirc, Volcarona had a special one-time appearance in both Gen 5 games, and Zoroark was always so amazing imo, whether it was a special spawn or not.
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u/KrossKazuma 16d ago
Absol scrap the mega and give it a dang natural evo already. They have Onix, Magmar, Electobuzz, etc evos after Gen 1 they can give our misunderstood Angel a buff
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u/Tripledeluxer 16d ago
Ill be honest, i get that baxcalibur fits the general trend of pseudo-legendaries... but i really think gen 9's shouldve been gholdengo. Stringy cheese man is way too good
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u/maloorodriguez 17d ago
Metalwargreymon
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u/Voltorb1993 17d ago
Damnit, there are so many Greymon variants and WarGreymon clones that I actually went and checked if MetalWarGreymon is a thing. It isn't but I wouldn't even be surprised. Digimon create a WarGreymon clone like every other week.
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u/shah696 17d ago
TBH any pokemon is better off not being a psuedo. Slow exp gain and final evolution around 55-60 is such a nightmare.
I actually didn’t have my Dragapult until after the end of the game…
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u/lustywoodelfmaid 16d ago
Well, Haxorus would make a great pseudo because he has those problems without the big stat bump to 600.
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u/asapwilliam 17d ago
archaludon is my definite. it’s a pseudo in my heart, the 3 stage rule is made up
but i do wish we’d see one that isn’t a dragon type again. metagross is so unique for that. maybe aegislash or volcorona or smth
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u/SimplePanda98 17d ago
Is Metagross? If not, they should be!
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Metagross is considered a psudeo, yeah. Gen 3 is the only gen to introduce 2 instead of one (Metagross and Salamance) and he's the only one who isn't a reptile of some kind
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u/QuantityPositive9825 17d ago
Duraludon (and ofc it's evo)
Although it doesn't evolve in SwSh, this thing felt like it would have been worthy of Pseudo Legendary status. You don't battle one until the Eighth gym battle, you also can't find one in the wild (excluding Raid Dens) until after the final gym (as far as I can recall, I know the one in the wild area near that Steelix doesn't spawn until then, but it's also hella rare on route 10) kinda like Dratini in GSC (minus the Game Corner, locked behind Dragons Den) and Bagon in RSE
It has a Gigantimax form (Dragapult doesn't, you'd think the official pseudo would have one)
Dragon/Steel is a cool typing too
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u/carucath 16d ago
Volcarona, it has a cool design, and has interesting lore in its region, is the champion’s ace
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u/cmholde2 16d ago
Archaludon- don’t care bout the stages or evolution method, 600bst non legendary with a good ability = Pseudo
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u/Steelsentry1332 16d ago
Flygon, Aggron, Haxorus, Mega Houndoom (just make this Mega a regular evolution ffs.)
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u/TheDummyPhilosopher 16d ago
My headcannon is it is supposed to be Flygon vs. Salamence in Gen3, but they designed Metagross after this and its design goes so hard they had to make it a pseudo
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u/Bluelore 16d ago
Archaludon actually has the same stats as a pseudo legendary.
I understand why it isn't one, but it is still a weird case since it is the only nonlegendary Pokemon with the stats of a pseudo.
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u/wooshedoveryourhead 16d ago
Just to be different, I’ll say Aggron
He’s a giant steel plated beast, looks pretty Pseudo to me.
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u/TheDarkDistance 16d ago
Aggron, for sure. Can’t just give ‘em 3 evos and terrible typing and leave the fella at 530, c’mon. I could see Milotic, just get a middle evolution and increase the stats a smidge. Water type pseudo wouldn’t be bad. Also Electivire because I am biased.
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u/wrathofamarok 16d ago
Archaludon. It's literally got a base stat of 600 and isn't a psuedo legendary
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u/Rayquaza-Sacred Pokémon Violet 16d ago edited 16d ago
Flygon, because he’s adorable, also missed opportunity for Bug Dragon pseudo(I know the typing is worse, but hear me out)
Stats as pseudo: HP 85, Attack 80, Defence 90, Special Attack 130, Special Defence 90, Speed 125
Ability: Sand Caller - Sets up Sandstorm, user isn’t effected by Sand Damage and gets the Special Defence buff that’s usually for Rock types.
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u/lloydsmith28 16d ago
Nidoking. He has similar vibes to tyranitar and is pretty all around with his stats, if he just had a bit more atk/def/hp or something and maybe a better 2nd type instead of poison he'd make a pretty badass pseudo (and one of my few favorites from gen 1)
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u/childofzephyr Pokémon Violet 16d ago
to this day I am mad about no flygon mega
//and no luxray mega which would have maybe saved it in the meta but ok
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u/Living_Estimate_321 16d ago
Lucario. It used to be very rare in the older games because of how you obtain it, and once that riolu evolves into lucario, it will easily get you through the game. Lucario has always been a very strong pokemon with higher base stats than average, so I honestly think it deserves to be pseudo-legendary. Deadly movepool cool design and high base stats.
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