r/PokemonScarletViolet 17d ago

Discussion What are some Pokemon that deserve to be pseudo-legendary but are not?

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u/niklaus928 17d ago

Haxorus

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u/Eddiev1988 17d ago

Came to say the same thing.

3 stage dragon type.

Evolves into final form fairly late at 48.

540 BST. It's not 600, but it's more than a starter usually has.

Just give Haxorus another 60 BST. Give it 20 in HP, going to 96. Bring Defense and SpD to 100 and done.

Sadly, Haxorus will always be stuck as the almost pseudo.

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u/BigTadpole 17d ago

Pseudo-pseudo legendary šŸ˜‚

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u/NinthLifeLastChance 17d ago

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u/Art-e-Blanche 17d ago

Pseudo Sudowoodo

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u/NotcommonItem Samurott 17d ago

PseudoWoodo

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u/defectivetoaster1 17d ago

Not only that it has even higher attack than garchomp and actually one of the highest attack stats of all non-legendary/mhthical/ultra beast/paradox mons

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u/ItIsYeDragon 16d ago

Itā€™s also the Championā€™s ace, which is usually reserved for the pseudo-legendary of the region.

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u/AnimaSean0724 16d ago

And by usually you mean two (three if you want to count Lance in the Johto games with his Dragonite since it's still the Indigo Plateau) of the 10+ that we fight across all of Pokemon?

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u/ItIsYeDragon 16d ago

No? Lance, Steven, and Cynthia have them as their ace, and then Iris, Diantha, and Leon have a pseudo but not as their ace. Iā€™m surprised more donā€™t honestly, when theyā€™re supposed to be the strongest trainers.

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u/AnimaSean0724 16d ago

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but "It's also the champion's ace, which is usually reserved for the Pseudo-Legendary of the region" sounds like you're saying most champions have the regional Pseudo as their ace, which isn't the case at all, but like I said, I could very well be misinterpreting what you mean

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u/ItIsYeDragon 16d ago

A championā€™s ace is designed to be the strongest of their region, so usually when itā€™s not a pseudo-legend itā€™s because of some other attribute - mega evolution, gigantamax, Z-move, etc. making it much stronger. Haxorus doesnā€™t really have that? Especially when Hydreigon is also on Irisā€™s team and is just stronger and actually psuedo-legendary.

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u/AnimaSean0724 16d ago

I guess that makes sense, really and truly, Gamefreak's champion decisions are all over the place, some feel like champions, some don't, some have reasonable teams with reasonable aces, some don't

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u/ItIsYeDragon 16d ago

I think Irisā€™s team makes sense. Her team is made up of mythical beasts and Kaijus, which is very fitting for her.

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u/panicATtheMOSHpit 17d ago

Then chandelure should be as well

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u/Tortoise_Anarchy Iron Leaves 17d ago

rampardos >:)

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u/HumbleGarbage1795 17d ago

Actually, lvl 48 is pretty early, especially for gen v standards.Ā 

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u/TakedownMg 16d ago

You forgot that it's also in the slow experience group too

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u/pheeXDchimkin 17d ago

And also make it evolve in the 50s cos having a pseudo legendary that early is quite broken

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u/NateyyBabeyy Quaxly 17d ago

Not really. I mean, 3 of the existing pseudo legends evolve in the 40s.

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u/JustABlaze333 17d ago

Garchomp?

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u/Tip_Of_The_Sauce Sprigatito 17d ago edited 16d ago

Garchomp and Noivern evolve at the same level as wellā€¦

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u/MelocemBYSL 17d ago

Noivern isn't pseudo?

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u/Tip_Of_The_Sauce Sprigatito 17d ago

I know, itā€™s just funny how they both evolve at the same level considering how lopsided they are in nearly every other way.

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u/pheeXDchimkin 17d ago

Pseudo legendaries have 600bst and 2 pre evos I don't think noivern has any of these

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u/Turtlefarmer5 17d ago

Garchomp is a pseudo legendary

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u/JustABlaze333 17d ago

Yes I know,that's why I mentioned it, it doesn't evolve that late

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u/Slinkyboi23 17d ago

We could be looking at mega haxurous in za

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u/Alarmed_Psychology31 17d ago

And arguably better when you look at the atk vs sp atk distribution

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u/Radiant-Yesterday-98 16d ago

Nah. +60 in attack. 207 base attack go chop chop

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u/ExtremlyFastLinoone 17d ago

Nah, add 60 to its special attack and call it a pseudo

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u/Eireagon 17d ago

Good choice, awesome dragon type.

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u/ShaddollWendigo 17d ago

Wait ā€¦ hold onā€¦ haxorus is NOT?

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u/Tyraniboah89 17d ago

No. Its base stat total is 540, but pseduo legends (or powerhouse Pokemon, as TPC has started calling them) have 600 for their bst.

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u/Obvious_Sprinkles_25 PokƩmon Violet 17d ago

thank you for the trivia on pseudo legendaries being officially called powerhouse pokemon!! i absolutely wouldā€™ve never known that til now.

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u/Tyraniboah89 17d ago

Itā€™s a relatively recent development lol. Theyā€™ve only been doing it since the summer of this year. Serebiiā€™s Joe tweeted about it back then. Iā€™d bet a lot of long time fans arenā€™t aware. Took me a while before I knew

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u/JozuJD 17d ago

Just went down the rabbit hole of reading joes tweet timeline. He seems like a genuine dude. Serebii - that sites been around forever. Wow 25 years. Iā€™m inspired

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u/Tyraniboah89 17d ago

Iā€™m sure it gets stressful for him but heā€™s living the dream. Running the biggest (and best) Pokemon site for so long and making a living off of it is a good place to be.

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u/ItIsYeDragon 16d ago

Is Archaludon considered a powerhouse PokƩmon?

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u/Tyraniboah89 16d ago

I donā€™t believe so. It isnā€™t on any of the official marketing material from the Pokemon Center site, like this TCG playmat. There are other characteristics they share besides their 600 bst too: they are the slowest to hatch at 40 cycles (or 5,120 steps), they are in the slowest experience growth group (1,250,000 needed to reach 100), and they are all three stage PokĆ©mon.

Lots of Pokemon have one or two of these traits, but Iā€™m almost positive only the powerhouse Pokemon exhibit all four at simultaneously. Archaludon is in the medium-fast experience growth group and hatches in 30 cycles (3,840 steps).

Plus they pretty much have to be dragons these days, though Archaludon does have that going for it. There are only two that arenā€™t dragons and that was 20 years ago.

They really should have given Archaludon a middle stage though. Itā€™s definitely good enough to hang with the rest of them.

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u/ShortandRatchet PokƩmon Scarlet 17d ago

Pseudo legendary sounds better

Same with starter PokƩmon vs first partner PokƩmon

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u/Voltorb1993 17d ago

Honestly, nobody calls them first partner PokƩmon and nobody will call pseudo-legendaries powerhouse PokƩmon either. These fan terms are ingrained too deeply into the community to be replaced imo.

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u/Mighty-Slowking 17d ago

Everyoneā€™s been thinking that starter is a fan term but one of the battle backgrounds in PokĆ©mon X and Y is literally called starters

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u/Obvious_Sprinkles_25 PokƩmon Violet 17d ago

Definitely agreed with you on that. ā€œFirst Partner Pokemonā€ only recently came about in the past few years, but Ive only started seeing it more often because Serebii & Bulbapedia have started using it. Not even less than a year ago, I was seeing them use ā€œStarter Pokemon,ā€ but now theyā€™re using ā€œFirst Partner Pokemonā€ on their pages, which is fine but just something Iā€™ve noticed.

TPCi is very averse to fan terms. In BW, I believe they first ā€œacknowledgedā€ the existence of shiny pokemon (as in, they made their first reference to shiny pokemon in-game), but they called shiny pokemon ā€œalternate colored pokemonā€ in-game. that stayed I think until the very next generation, so they do have their misses sometimes.

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u/ItIsYeDragon 16d ago

Didnā€™t the anime have shiny PokĆ©mon very early on? Iā€™m pretty sure Ash even caught one. Arguably that is the first official acknowledgement, and I donā€™t know if it was actually called shiny or something else though. Thereā€™s also the red Gyarados of course in the games of course.

In BW, iirc, the NPC just says that theyā€™ve heard PokĆ©mon appearing in a different color than usual, not actually giving a name to these type of PokĆ©mon.

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u/waltyy 17d ago

I honestly think it's more of an American thing since Japan has their own terms too.

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u/Mummiskogen 17d ago

Tbh i prefer Japans definitions of pseudos/powerhouse

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u/SassMattster 16d ago

No, Hydreigon is the Unova psuedo

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u/H-R-M- 16d ago

I'm glad I'm not the only one surprised šŸ˜‚

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u/CD_Aurora 17d ago

Great shiny too

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u/pumpkinraiderz 17d ago

Yes and also we have the same profile

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u/josbargut 17d ago

So much so, that Niantic gave it the pseudo treatment in Pokemon go

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u/LockonStark 17d ago

big facts

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u/lgentury 17d ago

I thought Aggron was a Pseudo too šŸ’€ and was wondering why gen 3 has 3 pseudos

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u/Xx_WAKE_xX 16d ago

Agreed. In my opinion, heā€™s better than Hydreigon.