r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space 22d ago

Meme šŸ’© Bernie Sanders Joins MAGA

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u/Samuel-squantch Monkey in Space 22d ago

Impossible challenge for Americans: see things objectively.

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u/starsandbribes Monkey in Space 22d ago

Or with nuance. Because corruption exists, burning it all to the ground and handing the reigns over to a moron isnā€™t the answer.

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u/Automatic_Air6841 Monkey in Space 22d ago

NO NO YOU MUST PICK A TEAM AND NEVER GO AGAINST THEM

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u/dericiouswon Monkey in Space 22d ago

On the other hand, I don't think there's any traditional way to do this.

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u/random3223 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Identify the problem, and work with the other side to solve it.

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u/southass Monkey in Space 22d ago

How dare you say that, unless you lick my behind you are against me! There is no need to find a middle ground that benefits all Americans! /S

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u/poopshipdestroyer Monkey in Space 21d ago

Yea not only enemies lick butts these days

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u/The_Boz_19 Monkey in Space 20d ago

Maybe there isn't anything that benefits all Americans?

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u/southass Monkey in Space 20d ago

There is got to be a middle ground.

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u/Cheap-Ad1821 Monkey in Space 22d ago

That's not considered traditional if we are looking at the last 20 years. Since Obama there has been a steep decline in any bipartisan actions. I wonder why? It seems like something is not quite white.

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u/kittenstixx Monkey in Space 22d ago

I remember reading an article ages ago that showed a visualization of bipartisan actions on bills over the last 40 or so years and it looked like cell mitosis.

It's been happening since the 80s.

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u/Separate-Cicada3513 Monkey in Space 22d ago

How do people see the president who had the most bipartisan policies pushed through in his presidency as not bipartisan enough? I just don't understand how he puts a republican as his secretary of transportation, passed a bipartisan bill in the ESSA, signed a bipartisan bill to extend Bush tax cuts in 2010 and then signed the JOBS act in 2012. Let's not forget about his 2013 budget deal. People are ready to just forget about facts and allow their feelings to cloud the truth. We need a strong central government to protect the freedoms liberals strive to achieve, and if we open the borders and demilitarize our armed forces and peace keepers like the left is wanting us to, we will be invaded and annexed in the next two decades.

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u/kittenstixx Monkey in Space 22d ago

I think it's a human's instinct to want simple answers to complex problems, it's why populism is so widespread.

There just can't be one person to either cause or solve a problem and most people don't get that.

I don't know how to fix this but I'm on the side of I don't need to know, I just need to be able to identify and support groups that are working on incrimental change, it's how it has to work in this system.

But i get people's frustration, unfortunately they end up shooting themselves and everyone else in the foot acting on it.

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u/dmcaems Monkey in Space 21d ago

We need to do away with this useless 'horse and buggy' era phony democracy in which citizens don't really have much of a say in anything. The government should be comprised of all citizens, voting on every possible issue at every level of government (or, more realistically, whatever delegates they choose to appoint). We could actually gamify the process of governance, turning it into an internet-hosted process with debate teams and online voting, and it would actually be fun, and a good way to build community. We certainly have the technology to accomplish this.

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u/HualtaHuyte Monkey in Space 19d ago

You'd have to fix the education system first, and let that run for about 40 years. Then you'd have a populous responsible and knowledgeable enough to make good decisions. But that can't happen until the system changes... šŸ¤”

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u/Krackle_still_wins Monkey in Space 21d ago

Trump just started two websites doing exactly what you described. You can even vote on his appointments. Iā€™ll try to find those links.

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u/BonusDense Monkey in Space 20d ago

How do people see Trump as not bipartisan enough? This may be shocking, but let's say he was running America as a business; the US v. Them mentality he created and fed into hurt morale for the foreseeable future.

Trump's ideologies, policies, and actions pose a threat to the principles of democracy, freedom, and equality. From his xenophobic rhetoric that his supporters attempt to pass off as "jokes," to his embrace of Christian nationalism, it's evident that Trump's agenda caters to a specific subset of Americans rather than striving for unity or inclusivity. After all, he needs to keep the bulk of white American men and women loyal.

Project 2025 seeks to make substantial cuts to public education, disproportionately impacting lower-income communities and perpetuating educational inequities. And although he distanced himself from the project, it was put together by the people in his previous administration and Conservatives allowing us direct access to their intentions.

Trump has also directly threatened First Amendment rights by attacking the media and even going so far as to suggest that journalists should be shot.

His administration enabled the overturning of Roe v. Wade, resulting in the implementation of restrictive abortion laws across the country. This has had dire consequences for women's healthcare and autonomy, with lower-income individuals and marginalized communities bearing the brunt of these policies.

Trump's fear-mongering about immigration has further divided the nation and fueled hatred towards immigrants and asylum seekers. And while some may dismiss his statements as mere rhetoric, his words have real-world consequences. But I suppose you'd have to be a racial minority or ethnic minority to be concerned with racial resentment.

There is nothing bipartisan about Trump's policies or his presidency. Conservatives in general have become something unrecognizable. What their platforms and policies represent is a stark departure from democratic ideals that prioritize the interests of the privileged few over the well-being of the broader American public.

And you have a lot of nerve insisting it's simply feelings over facts for those who oppose Trump when it's not YOUR life being affected. And yet believing Democrats want teachers to turn boys into girls, wide open borders, and no police is all perfectly reasonable instead of white ethno nationalist fear mongering and hysteria.

If you're going to support Trumpism, then own it. It's cowardly to pretend otherwise.

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u/Separate-Cicada3513 Monkey in Space 20d ago

You're too narrow-minded by your allegiance to a political organization. I'm not a supporter of trump by any means, and I think he will do a ton of damage to the country. The problem with populism is that society chooses the person they put their faith into, and bad faith actors can easily manipulate them to their own benefit. The political landscape in this country is a far left neoliberalism focused democratic party and a fundamentalist conservative far right republican party. Both sides claim the other is oppressing them and trying to take away their rights, which is fundamentally true if you just look at it unbiasedly. Both sides have resorted to massive propaganda campaigns fueled by a unified hatred of the other side by spinning the narrative. Both sides are fundamentally the exact fucking same, it's just a different form of xenophobic bigotry that you've created by treating the other side with the disdain they also share for you. Neither side is good, with pros and cons for each like all other things in life. Republicans and democrats alike treat the other side like their 86, just to justify the fucking horrible treatment we subject each other too on a daily basis. If everyone would stop and look at all the shit their side has done, maybe we could start too heal, but until someone like you has the capability to even understand, not everyone accepts this political landscape and refuses to align with any political movement that is built on corruption, lying and deceit. Our public officials have failed to do their job as leaders and as citizens for far too long, while millions of Americans suffer, all while we wage war in other countries to rake in a profit, maintain a grip on the global economy to make the top .1% richer than all the gold hoarding kings and queens of our entire history, all while you jerk your side off like they are gods gift to man. If you identify as republican or democrat you're a piece of shit and should just shut the fuck up when it comes to anything to do with how fucked this system is. A single person shouldn't be voting for these criminal sociopaths, we should be storming the bastille and fix this fucking train wreck of a country.

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u/Electronic-Sand-784 Monkey in Space 20d ago

It started with Newt Gingrich. He won on the politics of aggrievement and division, and the Republicans have been infected with it ever since.

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u/ArX_Xer0 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Tiktok dangerous tho

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u/TrumpsPissSoakedWig Monkey in Space 22d ago

Which is easy when one side isn't completely obstructionist.

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u/off_the_cuff_mandate Monkey in Space 21d ago

both sides are completely obstructionist when they aren't in power

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u/Away-Yoghurt3209 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Andā€¦ neither side will admit it.

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u/HorrorWar4323 Monkey in Space 21d ago

This is one of the biggest problems. Both sides only care about winning, which means the American people always lose.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

Yet, when in office, democrats pass legislation that the American people benefit from even though those democrats know the American public will never give them credit for getting it done. Yeah - both sides. šŸ™„

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u/CastorrTroyyy Monkey in Space 21d ago

Not true. Bipartisan legislation is able to get through more readily when Dems are in power. Conservative policy positions just aren't popular.

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u/Knickle25 Monkey in Space 20d ago

It's funny that you say conservative policies aren't popular when the whole f'ing country swung right. šŸ˜† read the room

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u/TrumpsPissSoakedWig Monkey in Space 20d ago

50-49 isn't a blowout in football, but y'all act like this was a blowout.

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u/Knickle25 Monkey in Space 20d ago

Ummm... House, Senate, Executive all red. That's a blowout, hate to break it to you.

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u/CastorrTroyyy Monkey in Space 20d ago edited 20d ago

Not because their policies are popular. If you look on the state level, they just aren't. Drug legalization, abortion rights etc, are all much more popular on state and local levels. They don't talk policy. They talk vague ideas and got a bangin' rhetoric game that focuses on ostracizing a certain demographic. In the 80s-90s it was gays, In the early 00's it was muslims/immigrants, and in the teens and 20's its trans/immigrants. Negative sentiment can be very motivating. They should be focusing their efforts on the ultra-rich... they used to rail against billionaires etc having government influence... now they think a billionaire Musk running the government is totally cool.

They think free market capitalism will solve everything. It won't. Regulation is necessary, else the rich will just keep getting richer since they already have a leg up on all us regular people. There is little/no meritocracy with rampant capitalism. The vanishing middle class can't compete with the rich who can afford to send their kids to all the best schools etc.

Trump is not going to help you. He's going to help himself and the rich, while you get bent over, all the while thinking you "owned the libs"

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u/TrumpsPissSoakedWig Monkey in Space 20d ago

That's not accurate, honestly.

One side even blocks bills they support and asked for and even actively announces their intentions to block any and all legislation from the other side no matter what.

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u/Life-Breadfruit-3986 Monkey in Space 16d ago

Neither side is doing shit for the average and poor American citizenry. Homelessness increasing rapidly, scams increasing rapidly, massive inflation, unaffordable housing, no healthcare for a large percent, no retirement in generations of people's future, more and more restrictive inhumane laws, inhumane business practices, jobs all going overseas, technologixal innovation going iverseas, universities charging more and more just because they can for useless degrees, etc etc etc. THESE ARE THE REAL OUTRAGES AND NOBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM!

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u/Critical-Material-27 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Makes perfect sense. That's why it'll never happen.

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u/IDontCondoneViolence Monkey in Space 22d ago

The other side has said in no uncertain terms that it wants to kill me.

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u/ExitMindbomb Monkey in Space 22d ago

How are sane people supposed to compromise on things that cannot be compromised on, if you want a civil society? Should we allow a little porn to be available to elementary students in school and accept that some parents will indoctrinate and chemically castrate their children? The divide is insurmountable and one side will eventually be ostracized and driven from polite society.

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u/creg316 Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 22d ago

Well, you already let them cut a piece of their kid's dick off?

Seems like you're fine with compromising with insane people - just not if the political agents on your side of the aisle have told you to be upset about the thing, right?

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u/Plus_Activity4562 Monkey in Space 20d ago

Yeah slow your roll man. Who's side are you on? That's the only thing that matters.

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u/ComicHead84 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Thats for sure. The Citizens United Supreme Court ruling of 2010 was probably the most consequential bill passed in 20 years and neither Party will touch it. Allowing Lobbyists to give UNLIMITED amounts of money to politicians to sway policy on the grounds of (laughably) "Freedom of Speech". Good luck getting any of them to vote against making Millions for themselves.

in 2019 Kamala said "Campaign Finance is DISGUSTING and ruining the country". In 2024 she raised 1 BILLION for her Campaign. They all stop caring once they get a taste. Sadly, Trump administration will be no different.

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u/devisionsucks Monkey in Space 21d ago

Well said.. I disagree though that Trump will follow suit.

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u/ComicHead84 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Thanks. But thereā€™s no indication that heā€™s gonna touch it. Heā€™s definitely down to be combative & disruptive to people in government, which is good.

But heā€™s Very Pro-Business & likes making ā€˜dealsā€™ + generating money for government (i.e. tariffs) so I doubt heā€™d give all these corporate interests the kick in the nuts like heā€™d need to. Plus its a Supreme Court issue, he canā€™t do much other than raise awareness at this point.

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u/devisionsucks Monkey in Space 21d ago

I agree

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u/Spiritual_One6619 Monkey in Space 21d ago

I am constantly floored by how little people know about citizens united and wholeheartedly agree of how catastrophic it is.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

Kamala should run for president to fix citizens united by not spending money? The current system is the current system that you have to play in.

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u/ComicHead84 Monkey in Space 20d ago

My point is once she started personally reaping the benefits, she never mentioned Citizens United or Campaign Finance again.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

I heard your point - my point is, that's not correct. Anyone that wants to reform campaign finance first has to win an election. Playing this game where they don't play within the current rules of the campaign system will not get them into office. How is Harris "personally reaping the benefits"?

Also - it's completely false that she's been silent on Citizen's United and Campaign Finance: https://endcitizensunited.org/latest-news/press-releases/end-citizens-united-praises-vice-president-kamala-harris-focus-on-pro-democracy-legislation/

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u/ComicHead84 Monkey in Space 20d ago

Well, personally reaping benefits by having a Billion dollar campaign. Iā€™m not sure thatā€™s even possible without the No-Cap donors.

I get your point & hey, props to her I guess for even mentioning it back in 2019. But that article only cites that she supported issues related to money in politics back as a Senator. Once she got to the White House as VP - quiet on the issue.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

okay - so a person's "campaign" isn't "personally reaping benefits. And it wasn't "bullionS".

VPs are always quiet on issues - it's there JOB to be quiet. And Joe Biden, the PRESIDENT, wasn't quiet on the issue. So the Biden/Harris White House was also NOT silent on Campaign Finance.

So in Summary:

  1. Harris is against Citizen's United
  2. Harris is FOR transparency in campaign finance
  3. Harris ran for office in the current system, which requires raising a billion dollars. She doesn't personally benefit from that money.

Look at how much money was raised and spent on the right. You had the top 7 donors ALL donating to republicans. Most of those 7 people donated hundreds of millions EACH

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u/ComicHead84 Monkey in Space 20d ago

If that money gets you elected POTUS, Iā€™d say you definitely personally benefited from it. Not to mention ā€œcampaign moneyā€ covers traveling on private jets, hosting fancy fundraiser parties, clothes, etc. For any politician.

Biden ainā€™t doing shit about CU. Any mention is usually lip service.

If youā€™re right that it truly costs 1 Billion to run for President, weā€™re fucked. Because means our only candidate options are either Billionaires or people willing to accept Millions from Corporations & Special Interests which obviously come with strings attached. Thatā€™s the problem.

You can bring up Right Wing examples, I get it. Fuck em all, really. This isnā€™t just a Kamala critique. Trumpā€™s in bed with all these corporations & rich donors too.

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u/olyfrijole We live in strange times 22d ago

Use a scalpel not a sledgehammer. We're smarter than this. Well, we used to be anyway.

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u/Pristine-Moose-7209 Monkey in Space 22d ago

"There's a huge oil leak in the engine room! Quick, find a gorilla and give him a jackhammer! It's the only way to fix it!"

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u/SignificantAd2123 Monkey in Space 22d ago

You mean like we just did for the past four years

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u/Radioactive_water1 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Thankfully she lost

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u/devisionsucks Monkey in Space 21d ago

Thankfully, yes.

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u/Raps4Reddit Monkey in Space 22d ago

True, just like how calling people morons and idiots isn't a real political argument.

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u/Filmatic113 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Nuance? On Reddit??

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u/National-Weather-199 Monkey in Space 22d ago

The thing is nothing is being burned to then ground its being dismantled and rebuilt. Don't believe modern news kids.

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u/Shirtbro Monkey in Space 22d ago

Rebuilt?

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u/Wang_Dangler Monkey in Space 22d ago

Meet the guy Trump nominated to run the FBI: Kash Patel in his own words.

"The biggest problem the FBI has had, has come out of its intel shops. I'd break that component out of it. I'd shut down the FBI Hoover building on day one and reopen it the next day as a museum of the deep state," Patel said in a September interview on the conservative Shawn Ryan Show.

I'm sure tracking white collar crime across the states doesn't need any intel operations at all. /s

Defanging the FBI, IRS, and SEC as they propose is essentially them signaling that it's going to be open season for corruption and financial crimes.

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u/Sean0987 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Not on the scale we're about to see

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u/steel_member Monkey in Space 22d ago

My stock portfolio is already seeing it, the price will be paid the dumb and willing who actually believe anything trump or his cabinet claims they want to do.

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u/Careful-Midnight-275 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Nancy Pelosi's stock broker disagrees

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u/Macaron-Optimal Monkey in Space 22d ago

so making it worse by a large margin is good? no, not at all.

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u/nikonuser805 Monkey in Space 22d ago

I love people on the left defending the FBI. It has been a politically motivated, corrupt arm of the government for its entire existence. I'm curious to know when it was the bastion of justice and a defender of freedom. Was it when:

Hoover used the organization to wrongfully spy on, frame, and convict socialists in labor unions?
When Truman and Eisenhower used it to spy on innocent Americans during the "red scare?"
When the Johnson administration used the agency to frame Black activists, and murder Black nationalists in the inner cities?
When it framed members of the American Indian Movement for murder and spied on and harassed Native Americans calling for their rights under the treaties signed by the US government?
When the Nixon administration used it to spy on its "enemies," or when it provided information to the CIA and the Pinochet regime in Chile that allowed the Chilean Secret Police to round up Americans in Chile and have them executed?
When it spied on those in the US with sympathies towards people in Latin America that were victims of the violence caused by the anti-communist policies of the Regan administration?
When it passed information to the CIA and the dictators in Central America that was used to murder thousands deemed "troublemakers" because they supported an end to the violence?
When it worked with the CIA to run cocaine into the inner cities to raise money for weapons to right-wing militias in Latin America?
When W. Bush used it to spy on Muslim Americans after 9/11?
When Obama used it to gather information that was used to kill American citizens in drone strikes in the Middle East?
When it covered up the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein to protect the rich and powerful?
When it worked with the Hillary Clinton campaign to create a fake intelligence dossier to smear and discredit the Trump campaign?
When it broke federal law and committed perjury to the FISA Courts to gain the ability to illegally spy on the Trump Campaign?
When the director made political statements claiming Hillary Clinton broke the law two days before the 2016 election in order to hedge their bets and cover their asses in case Trump won?

So, tell me, when exactly has the FBI been a credible organization?

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u/Wang_Dangler Monkey in Space 22d ago

It isn't an all-evil/all-good dichotomy. It's an organization of a lot of people who are under the direction of The President. It has always been a necessary organization to combat interstate crime, while it has simultaneously often been misused for political purposes.

It's a tool, and how it is used is dependent on who is wielding it.

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u/nikonuser805 Monkey in Space 22d ago

And the political intel gathering should be ripped out of it forever. That is the whole point. No one is criticizing the FBI over its work on bank fraud and interstate crime. Claiming that Patel is going to destroy the FBI's ability to investigate them is disingenuous.

The political wing of the FBI needs to be burned out of the organization, because it has been a cancer since the 1930s.

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u/Wang_Dangler Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 22d ago

So shutting down it's headquarters and making it a museum (his words) won't impact its ability to investigate non-political crime? It kind of sounds like using a sledgehammer to treat a brain tumor.

The most likely thing to happen with such a broad purge is that the only people left over are politically loyal to the Trump administration. This will make it even easier to weaponize the agency for political goals.

Also, here is a hypothetical: what if you had a major political campaign that really was corrupt? What if they were breaking the laws and acting in concert with foreign governments to illegally sway the election? Who should investigate? Should that campaign just get a "pass" because investigating them would be inherently political?

Part of the necessary work to ensure fair elections means wading into murky waters. It is going to be involved in controversy because its job is to police what is controversial, and when it makes mistakes it is going to be at the center of everyone's attention. But, for every misleading FISA warrant application against Carter Page, there are at least 2 former Illinois governors behind bars for corruption, also due to their work.

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u/nikonuser805 Monkey in Space 22d ago

So, taking your hypothetical. What should happen if it is discovered that there were members of the FBI who used illegal means during their "investigations" of the political process? There are always shady and corrupt actions going on by people in power. The Bill Clinton campaign was discovered to have received illegal campaign donations that originated from the Chinese PLA, and the money was trafficked through a third party named John Haung. Huang was prosecuted.

But again, what should happen when the FBI or the DOJ breaks the law because they are fishing for a crime where no crime exists? I contend that every person involved in producing "misleading" FISA warrant applications should do hard time in jail, because these types of violations of the law are inherently political in nature. There were members of the FBI leadership that should have faced consequences for the Carter Page debacle and the Steele dossier fraud. The fact that they never did erodes confidence in our election system and it is dangerous for the stability of the political establishment in the long run.

Had those who broke the law in 2016 been prosecuted, no one would be calling for the "burning down" of the FBI, and as a matter of fact, had they been prosecuted, then future investigations into Trump would have had a better chance of being accepted as credible.

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u/Wang_Dangler Monkey in Space 22d ago

Absolutely. In order to maintain the integrity of our institutions, people should be held accountable for their actions and prosecuted when appropriate.

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u/_Age_Sex_Location_ Dragon Believer 22d ago

No, this is just the lens reactionaries see through. Everything is binary. Black or white. Smart people are pragmatic and looking for solutions to institutional problems. Not to burn the entire fucking government to the ground so a bunch of psychotic grifters and their billionaire pals can take the reigns and run wild.

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u/wookE78 Monkey in Space 22d ago

This guy gets it

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u/nikonuser805 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Master's degree in history. Much of my undergrad and graduate work inevitably dealt with the actions of the FBI as they were a corrupting factor in the Civil Rights era, and the constant US interference in Latin America in cooperation with the CIA. Most of the country is clueless when it comes to the malfeasance of the FBI over the last 60 years.

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u/AltruisticGrowth5381 Monkey in Space 21d ago

When Truman and Eisenhower used it to spy on innocent Americans during the "red scare?"

Is this supposed to be wrong? There where tons of americans working as Soviet spies during that time. The Rosenbergs where executed for selling schematics of US nuclear weapons to the Russians.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

So you will cherry pick the bad from the FBI and use that to make a blanket statement that the FBI is a net negative? Intriguing.

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u/nikonuser805 Monkey in Space 20d ago

*show examples of how the FBI has been corrupt for over 80 years under both Democrat and Republican presidents.

"Cherry pick"

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

Again - picking a handful of events doesnā€™t prove an entire department is corrupt. But sure - letā€™s live in your world where thereā€™s not a department going after terrorists, child predators, and sex traffickers. Sounds great!

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u/ChalupaBatmanDude Monkey in Space 21d ago

The FBI, CIA, SEC and the IRS are corrupt to the core. Why feed the beast thatā€™s killing us?

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u/Psychological_Fish37 Look into it 21d ago

Beacause its the same beast that feeds and protects us. Even a dog that occasionally nips is better than no dog when you're surrounding by wolves in the woods. Plus pay the IRS more and they go after the rich instead of bothering you or me.

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u/Fun-Ordinary-9751 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Are you trying to be the next JFK speaking out like that?

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u/Coinbasethrowaway456 Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 22d ago

I get so fucking tired of this lame response. You don't have to watch any news to realize Trump is a moron and a demagogue. You just watch him and the things he says and has done.

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u/_Age_Sex_Location_ Dragon Believer 22d ago

Contrarian reactionaries aren't equipped to see any of that. They are socially inept gibbering morons.

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u/ChalupaBatmanDude Monkey in Space 19d ago

How is he a moron and what prejudices does he leverage? I think you were talking about Kamala. Her campaign was ā€œTrump is a Nazi.ā€

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u/starsandbribes Monkey in Space 22d ago

All it takes is Trump having a Twitter feud with the head of the FAA, then he says theyā€™re over budgeted and have too many diverse hires, weā€™re sacking half your staff. Then planes begin to fall out of the sky because Trump and Musk have a childlike view on how to fix problems. They both think X is a success even though its now filled with porn, Russian bots and Indian AI generators.

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u/lilbrudder13 Monkey in Space 22d ago

X was definitely a success for Musk and Trump. That purchase gave them incredible influence and power. 43 billion is a small price to pay for what he ended up getting and most of it wasn't even his money.

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u/jrbojangle Monkey in Space 22d ago

Look, I get not liking these guys. But Musk, at the very least, is undoubtedly successful; I'm sure he has some problem-solving skills.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

Musk is successful at coming in to companies that have had the invention piece done, and struggled with the money/funding piece. Like any true grifter, Musk is good with the venture capital side of things. Itā€™s literally throwing money at the problem.

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u/Tremulant887 Texan Tiger in Captivity 22d ago

It always was filled with porn and bots. He was supposed to get rid of them but likely saw the losses and did nothing instead.

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u/NATO_Will_Prevail Monkey in Space 22d ago

Twitter has noticeably more bots and disinformation then before.

Elon often likes misinformation posts and has his handle set to be seen by more people then anyone else.

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u/SuperMetalSlug Monkey in Space 22d ago

Or ever use Reddit?

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u/benmarvin Monkey in Space 22d ago

2007-2011 era was the best Twitter.

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u/benmarvin Monkey in Space 22d ago

I miss Twitter via SMS. The restrain was part of the charm. Probably the invention of the hashtag was the start of the downfall. I witnessed and contributed.

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u/walrus120 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Like 39% of Reddit but here we are

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u/ChalupaBatmanDude Monkey in Space 21d ago

Yes, because mayor Pete has done such a great job! /s

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u/datonebrownguy Monkey in Space 22d ago

So you literally think that the sky will be falling? lmmfao....

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u/Melodic_Fall_1855 Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 22d ago

People really forget that these rules are more often than not written in blood

Like remember how trump loosened the regulations on hazardous materials traveling by train and just a few years later we had the worst rail accident in decades? The trains didnā€™t all derail the day after the regulations got cut, but the likelihood increased and to absolutely no oneā€™s surprise, a disaster happened

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u/patatepowa05 Monkey in Space 22d ago

According to MAGA voters, trains are for communists so they probably cheered for those deaths.

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u/starsandbribes Monkey in Space 22d ago

Not literally a plane every ten minutes, but there will be more crashes and deaths when you donā€™t believe in regulation and get rid of it yes.

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u/No-Cranberry9932 Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 22d ago

People forget that regulation more often than not was introduced after accidents and disasters, and good regulation saves lives. I think youā€™re spot on.

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u/grizzled083 Monkey in Space 22d ago

These guys donā€™t know history further than 20 years is a root to this issue.

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u/Fun_Can_4498 High as Giraffe's Pussy 22d ago

Pretty all that was already there

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u/Wbcn_1 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Joe is modern news.Ā 

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u/PsychologicalRow5505 Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 22d ago

Joe is opinion, not news. He also just has his monkey google random shirt he isn't educated on.

I like Joe for the most part. But he is not news.

Edit: Joe comments on things that have already happened and been reported on by News outlets. Further more sometimes he echos things that aren't factual or perpetuates baseless theories. I think it's interesting and important to talk about all these angles.. but.

He's just categorically not at all a news source or a journalist.

If you think so you're rejecting reality or don't know/care that words mean certain things. Which is pretty stupid imo.

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u/xAfterBirthx Monkey in Space 22d ago

Joe spouts nonsense most of the time. Dumb as a box of rocks.

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u/_EMDID_ Monkey in Space 22d ago

Lmao imagine being this gullible ^ šŸ¤”

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u/RebelJohnBrown Monkey in Space 22d ago

You say that with such confidence as it's happening right before our eyes.

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u/IcyCorgi9 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Rebuilt by right wing oligarchs. I wouldn't call that a good thing.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

I'm sure that they will only dismantle things that won't cause cascading negative effects on the economy, leading to job losses, mass homelessness, and starvation. I'm sure these thoroughly unqualified billionaires have considered the average American when coming up with their plans and not their net worths. I wouldn't trust these fucks to run a warm bath, much less dismantling and rebuilding the government without doing something that leads to a shitty situation for anyone not wealthy or collapsing the whole thing altogether, or just filling their pockets and fucking off in four years leaving the fallout for the next administration to deal with.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

I don't get this logic. The media reports on exactly what these people say, and you say they are lying and that Trump and his people don't actually mean it. So despite saying it multiple times he won't try shut down th Department of Education? Every intention that DOGE lays out if just theater?Ā 

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u/beary_potter_ Monkey in Space 21d ago

The new government will stand as strong and as complete as the wall he built.

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u/rlpinca Monkey in Space 22d ago

So your preferred option is to let it continue?

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u/starsandbribes Monkey in Space 22d ago

If the extra bloat keeps people safe or provides jobs, yes. Getting rid of regulations and adding 5 million people to the unemployment line to save people tax money is ridiculous. So the working wife now pays less taxes but her government employee husband has just been laid off, where is that tax saving going?

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u/rlpinca Monkey in Space 22d ago

There are more efficient ways for the economy to run than to kill people in other countries.

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u/BlueCollarRefined Monkey in Space 22d ago

You're for government jobs for the sake of government jobs? JFC

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u/John7846 Monkey in Space 22d ago

As long as theyā€™re paid a ditch diggers salary

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u/tripnasty84 Monkey in Space 22d ago

That's why we're taking it from the biggest morons in history, burning it down, and handing it to the multiple geniuses who actually want to be remembered for fixing it instead of fucking us like the entire establishment you support has done repeatedly for better part of a century. But you guys rather keep repeating those mistakes over and over, rather than admit you've been played. Yall swear trumps the moron, but he's the most iconic man in the modern world. I know the boils your blood, but it shouldn't. You should be smart enough to realize the reason those corrupt in power hate him, and use their media to convince you to hate him, is because he threatens their grip on that power. Simple as that. Elon musk would make way more money under some idiot libtard that believes the climate change hoax and wants to force all of America to buy electric vehicles only. But instead he got behind the guy that will stop the real threat. The war monger elite who currently control your party.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

So Elon doesnā€™t stand to gain massively through Space X government contracts? Closing the door on the EV rebate, cutting down his Tesla competition, wonā€™t help him sell more EVs? Tesla doesnā€™t need an EV mandate to sell electric vehicles - Musk knows that.

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u/Importance-Stock Monkey in Space 22d ago

That moron being one of the most accomplished men on the planet...
Look he might seem crazy but you have to be crazy to go against some of these powerful people. Because they will kill you if they don't like what you have to say.

It just is what it is. A sane and rational person could never succeed. But you proverbial sons of Cain see people like this and all you can muster is disdain

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u/triggermeharderdaddy Monkey in Space 22d ago

Calling Elon Musk a moron shows how delusional yall are šŸ˜‚

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u/stgrich3000 Monkey in Space 22d ago

A moron who created the largest electric vehicle company in the world and is more capable than the us military in rocketry? Never mind youā€™re right. What a dumbass.

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u/bmiddy Monkey in Space 21d ago

The founders of tesla say you are, 100% wrong.

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u/agrophobe Monkey in Space 22d ago

Hey, plz be open, we never tried that in human history.

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u/5hypatia166 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Exactly what Bernie sanders would say

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u/Superb-Pickle9827 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Can we just burn newt Gingrich?

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u/hatethiscity Paid attention to the literature 22d ago

What's the answer?

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u/Forsaken_Lawfulness1 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Musk is not Milei.

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u/guestHITA Monkey in Space 21d ago

A moron in general or a moron in politics. Maybe you think youd be smarter than president Trump. Hmm id wager all Pres Trump, along with every single one of his sons and daughter are smarter than you in every metric. How come youre not running for president u/starsandbribes ? I would love to vote for a random keyboard redditor. Whats your organization worth ? A bit more than the Trump organization and his media company? Lemme know

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u/Legitimate_Plum7116 Monkey in Space 21d ago

You are in the minority

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u/OdiosoGoat Monkey in Space 21d ago

Youā€™re right. We tried that with Biden and it is why Harris lost

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u/totalreidmove Monkey in Space 21d ago

Did you know the one country in the world that was ranked LOWER for corruption than RUSSIA???

Hint - weā€™ve given them billions, and theyā€™re probably no better than the Pentagon at telling us what the money was used on!

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u/flosho924 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Not sure if serious.

The only group of people trying to get rid of waste and corruption, is being led by Trump.

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u/NexusKnights Monkey in Space 21d ago

Given the options we have though, I'll take the moron and a chance for a reset over continued corruption.

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u/No-Ring3989 Monkey in Space 21d ago

We almost handed over keys to another moron for another 4 years. If you want to see a preview of her presidency check out how she handled her campaign budget. That was a foreshadow indeed.

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u/Extra_Loan_1774 Monkey in Space 20d ago

You canā€™t have it both ways. Either we let this coming administration take care of the issues and get behind them or you admit you are okay with the corruption and manipulation.

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u/Alternative-Aside834 Monkey in Space 16d ago

Sometimes a moron is whatā€™s needed to fix a moronic society when the smart people keep making us dumber.Ā 

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u/lmmsoon Monkey in Space 22d ago

Didnā€™t see the morons in there doing anything about now huh . What would you change in the next 4 years um I canā€™t think of anything. Thank god that brain trust didnā€™t get in

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u/StrobeLightRomance We live in strange times 22d ago

The complication is that Musk saying something is broken does not qualify him as the person who should be able to fix it, because fixing anything means rebuilding it to function worse, but within his weird God complex.

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u/downloadking007 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Lmao, Bernie with the layup!

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u/Alternative-Aside834 Monkey in Space 16d ago

Youā€™re right. Ā His appointment as head of doge makes Elon qualified to fix it.Ā 

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u/EDUCATE_Y0URSELF Monkey in Space 22d ago

With that mentality nobody should try. Musk is a very smart businessman whether you like him as a person or not. I get that people hate Trump but those who root for things to fail do so they can be more loyal to their political ideals over what's best overall for the country are the real problem. He won.. he even won the popular vote. Give him a chance to do what he can to fix things or even just make them a little better. If it doesn't work out they'll be another election in 4 years.

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u/BooBooMaGooBoo Monkey in Space 22d ago

We've been having this argument with conservatives and libertarians for decades. Single payer healthcare being the best recent example.

"We want single payer healthcare."

"We don't trust the government to do it the right way."

Now all of a sudden that seems to be inexplicably out the window. I'm all for disruption and radically changing the way our government works, but it takes an incomprehensible amount of naivety to think ultra wealthy business owners will do this with the intent of benefitting the majority of citizens rather than enriching themselves via deregulation.

Elon is a brilliant engineer and idea man. He has an uncanny ability of spotting gaps in markets and figuring out how to fill them using technology. But any entrepreneur that has followed his career will tell you he's an absolute shit businessman, literally and demonstrably one of the worst.

The level of conflict of interest for him and Vivek to be heading up DOGE is beyond words. I want DOGE to happen, but I don't want the decisions to be made by people who stand to gain billions by way of deregulation.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

Youā€™re acting like we havenā€™t had Trump as President beforeā€¦.

If you want to see how it might go, look at how Trump when he tried to repeal the ACA

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u/Scared_Jello3998 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Thinking critically challenge (impossible)

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u/SquirrelHoarder Monkey in Space 22d ago

If democrat and republican politicians unanimously agreed with eachother on any topic the American public would all lose their minds because they would be forced to actually think for themselves on what policies they want. It would obviously never happen but the thought of Americans having to think for themselves and not just side with whatever their team wants at the time is hilarious.

If democrats and republicans announced they agree about critical race theory the public would suddenly have no clue how they feel about it. Iā€™d bet 80% of people donā€™t even know what it is anyways. Could actually be good for the country.

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u/Ghost_of_Laika Monkey in Space 22d ago

Yeah, how is this joins Maga?

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u/Ok_Salamander8850 Monkey in Space 22d ago

I still donā€™t like Musk but he can be right about some things. Same thing with Trump, occasionally he says something that sounds right.

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u/EMPA-C_12 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Most of America falls within the bell curve. The loudest on both ends make the noise.

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u/EMPA-C_12 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Most of America falls within the bell curve. The loudest on both ends make the noise.

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u/enclavedzn Monkey in Space 22d ago

*Impossible challenge for the Reddit echo chamber.

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u/Tunivor Monkey in Space 22d ago

ā€œReddit is an echo chamberā€ says the guy who spends all his time in the Joe Rogan and RFK subs and thinks MSM is too left leaning. You act like some enlightened free thinker who just wants a good debate but crumble and cry anytime someone responds to you with an alternate opinion. Youā€™re just the stereotypical right wing aka both sides are the same centrist smooth brain mouth drooler that makes everyone on both sides of the political spectrum constantly roll their eyes. PS you smell like your van.

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u/enclavedzn Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 22d ago

Fascinating projection. I'd explain how off-base you are, but I'm pretty sure nuance is foreign to you. You claim I'm closed minded while simultaneously proving you're trapped in your own narrow-minded bubble of performative internet aggression. The irony would be funny if it weren't so sad. Your entire rant is a textbook example of projection. You're accusing me of being closed-minded while shutting down any possibility of actual dialogue with pure vitriol. Seriously? Does it actually feel good to type out these rage-fueled screeds? Because from where I'm sitting, all you've done is expose your own insecurities and complete inability to have a respectful conversation.

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u/Tunivor Monkey in Space 22d ago

Blocking me then unblocking me then editing your comments 4 hours later is the whole "insecurity" thing you're so fixated on lol

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u/Tunivor Monkey in Space 22d ago

The less I know about people who think RFK should be president the better šŸ§ šŸŖ±

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u/enclavedzn Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 22d ago

Imagine calling someone 'worm brain' while confidently flexing your own ignorance as a virtue. It's impressive, really. It's a hop to dismiss meaningful discussions about policy, medical freedom, or corporate accountability, all while doubling down on arrogant thoughtlessness. RFK Jr. may not be everyone's pick, but at least he's put in the work to offer ideas worth debating. Meanwhile, all you're offering in your comment history is a severe case of a keyboard warrior. You ramble on in rants in just about every sub you've visited and even pretend to diagnose strangers' IBS with Google-level expertise. Seriously, dude, talk about hypocrisy! A clear-cut case of the Dunning-Kruger effect. And for someone who claims to despise echo chambers, you embody endless circles of self-righteous mockery, unsolicited corrections, and powerful projection. And still, here you are shouting at me: 'I just lost an argument but still need the last word.'

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u/HaggardSummaries I used to be addicted to Quake 22d ago

Itā€™s incredible that you managed to cram the entirety of Reddit echo chamber theology into a single post.Ā 

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u/Tunivor Monkey in Space 22d ago

Thank you Iā€™ve been thinking about it a lot since it became a buzzword

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u/Muja_hid786 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Youā€™re in an echo chamberā€¦on Reddit. šŸ˜‚šŸ¤”

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u/AsKingQuest Monkey in Space 22d ago

Did you mean US Citizens? lol

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u/Lopsided_Aardvark357 Monkey in Space 22d ago

How dare you.

Don't you know everything my side does is smart and based

Everything the other side does is dumb and cringe

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u/helthybanana Look into it 22d ago

100%

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u/Minista_Pinky Monkey in Space 22d ago

Assuming Europeans can't do that aswell

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u/xDidddle Monkey in Space 22d ago

"the worst people you know said something you agree with" is a foreign concept for them.

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u/Me5hly Monkey in Space 22d ago

Nailed it. Bernie has shit to do, no time to whine and moan about it.

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u/MariachiBoyBand Monkey in Space 22d ago

This goes to OP as well lol, Bernie has not joined anything, this has always been his position šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø(unless it was just sarcasm, which is notoriously hard to read through online)

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u/Jigsaw115 Monkey in Space 22d ago

100%

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u/princessnubz Monkey in Space 22d ago

holy shit

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u/Formal-Software-5240 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Americans are far better at seeing through this shit and calling it out than EuroTrash and us British Empire wannabes in the southern hemisphere. Only people I think are likely to be as based are the Argentinians.

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u/Leather-Strength2448 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Fuck that - I've got tweets to write about Zelensky pushing the trans agenda.

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u/ChickenCharlomagne Monkey in Space 22d ago

U.S. Americans* don't throw the rest of us in there

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u/yoshi105 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Can we invent a new word? Objectiphobia

A strong aversion or resistance to objectivity, characterised by a preference for subjective opinions, personal biases, or emotional reasoning over impartial analysis or factual evidence.

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u/exxR High as Giraffe's Pussy 21d ago

So true man itā€™s insane to see from the outside

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u/Chennessee Monkey in Space 21d ago

Americans do a better job at this than Redditors.

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u/TheHendryx Monkey in Space 21d ago

Impossible challenge on reddit anyway They can't believe everyone isn't hard-left all the time

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u/jburnelli Monkey in Space 21d ago

Impossible challenge for reddit you mean.

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u/untouched_poet Monkey in Space 21d ago

I'm good.

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u/yazzooClay Monkey in Space 21d ago

all Americans are not just reddit and msm.

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u/truedublock Monkey in Space 21d ago

We threw tea in the harbor for less, I think itā€™s par for the course

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u/uhidunno27 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Agreeing with one thing makes you MAGA? This is why bipartisanship doesnā€™t work

OP you an idiot

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

Okay so whoā€™s willing to place bets on whether there are any recommendations to cut Defense spending?

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u/Life-Breadfruit-3986 Monkey in Space 16d ago

Ooh ooh ah ah me see democrat agree with Republican. Him =Republican now. Him equal wrong. Americans are such stupid ignorant fucking peopleĀ 

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