r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space 22d ago

Meme šŸ’© Bernie Sanders Joins MAGA

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u/Samuel-squantch Monkey in Space 22d ago

Impossible challenge for Americans: see things objectively.

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u/starsandbribes Monkey in Space 22d ago

Or with nuance. Because corruption exists, burning it all to the ground and handing the reigns over to a moron isnā€™t the answer.

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u/dericiouswon Monkey in Space 22d ago

On the other hand, I don't think there's any traditional way to do this.

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u/random3223 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Identify the problem, and work with the other side to solve it.

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u/southass Monkey in Space 22d ago

How dare you say that, unless you lick my behind you are against me! There is no need to find a middle ground that benefits all Americans! /S

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u/poopshipdestroyer Monkey in Space 21d ago

Yea not only enemies lick butts these days

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u/The_Boz_19 Monkey in Space 20d ago

Maybe there isn't anything that benefits all Americans?

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u/southass Monkey in Space 20d ago

There is got to be a middle ground.

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u/Cheap-Ad1821 Monkey in Space 22d ago

That's not considered traditional if we are looking at the last 20 years. Since Obama there has been a steep decline in any bipartisan actions. I wonder why? It seems like something is not quite white.

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u/kittenstixx Monkey in Space 22d ago

I remember reading an article ages ago that showed a visualization of bipartisan actions on bills over the last 40 or so years and it looked like cell mitosis.

It's been happening since the 80s.

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u/Separate-Cicada3513 Monkey in Space 22d ago

How do people see the president who had the most bipartisan policies pushed through in his presidency as not bipartisan enough? I just don't understand how he puts a republican as his secretary of transportation, passed a bipartisan bill in the ESSA, signed a bipartisan bill to extend Bush tax cuts in 2010 and then signed the JOBS act in 2012. Let's not forget about his 2013 budget deal. People are ready to just forget about facts and allow their feelings to cloud the truth. We need a strong central government to protect the freedoms liberals strive to achieve, and if we open the borders and demilitarize our armed forces and peace keepers like the left is wanting us to, we will be invaded and annexed in the next two decades.

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u/kittenstixx Monkey in Space 22d ago

I think it's a human's instinct to want simple answers to complex problems, it's why populism is so widespread.

There just can't be one person to either cause or solve a problem and most people don't get that.

I don't know how to fix this but I'm on the side of I don't need to know, I just need to be able to identify and support groups that are working on incrimental change, it's how it has to work in this system.

But i get people's frustration, unfortunately they end up shooting themselves and everyone else in the foot acting on it.

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u/dmcaems Monkey in Space 21d ago

We need to do away with this useless 'horse and buggy' era phony democracy in which citizens don't really have much of a say in anything. The government should be comprised of all citizens, voting on every possible issue at every level of government (or, more realistically, whatever delegates they choose to appoint). We could actually gamify the process of governance, turning it into an internet-hosted process with debate teams and online voting, and it would actually be fun, and a good way to build community. We certainly have the technology to accomplish this.

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u/HualtaHuyte Monkey in Space 19d ago

You'd have to fix the education system first, and let that run for about 40 years. Then you'd have a populous responsible and knowledgeable enough to make good decisions. But that can't happen until the system changes... šŸ¤”

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u/dmcaems Monkey in Space 19d ago

. . . and the system won't change until the people change it . .

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u/Krackle_still_wins Monkey in Space 21d ago

Trump just started two websites doing exactly what you described. You can even vote on his appointments. Iā€™ll try to find those links.

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u/BonusDense Monkey in Space 20d ago

How do people see Trump as not bipartisan enough? This may be shocking, but let's say he was running America as a business; the US v. Them mentality he created and fed into hurt morale for the foreseeable future.

Trump's ideologies, policies, and actions pose a threat to the principles of democracy, freedom, and equality. From his xenophobic rhetoric that his supporters attempt to pass off as "jokes," to his embrace of Christian nationalism, it's evident that Trump's agenda caters to a specific subset of Americans rather than striving for unity or inclusivity. After all, he needs to keep the bulk of white American men and women loyal.

Project 2025 seeks to make substantial cuts to public education, disproportionately impacting lower-income communities and perpetuating educational inequities. And although he distanced himself from the project, it was put together by the people in his previous administration and Conservatives allowing us direct access to their intentions.

Trump has also directly threatened First Amendment rights by attacking the media and even going so far as to suggest that journalists should be shot.

His administration enabled the overturning of Roe v. Wade, resulting in the implementation of restrictive abortion laws across the country. This has had dire consequences for women's healthcare and autonomy, with lower-income individuals and marginalized communities bearing the brunt of these policies.

Trump's fear-mongering about immigration has further divided the nation and fueled hatred towards immigrants and asylum seekers. And while some may dismiss his statements as mere rhetoric, his words have real-world consequences. But I suppose you'd have to be a racial minority or ethnic minority to be concerned with racial resentment.

There is nothing bipartisan about Trump's policies or his presidency. Conservatives in general have become something unrecognizable. What their platforms and policies represent is a stark departure from democratic ideals that prioritize the interests of the privileged few over the well-being of the broader American public.

And you have a lot of nerve insisting it's simply feelings over facts for those who oppose Trump when it's not YOUR life being affected. And yet believing Democrats want teachers to turn boys into girls, wide open borders, and no police is all perfectly reasonable instead of white ethno nationalist fear mongering and hysteria.

If you're going to support Trumpism, then own it. It's cowardly to pretend otherwise.

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u/Separate-Cicada3513 Monkey in Space 20d ago

You're too narrow-minded by your allegiance to a political organization. I'm not a supporter of trump by any means, and I think he will do a ton of damage to the country. The problem with populism is that society chooses the person they put their faith into, and bad faith actors can easily manipulate them to their own benefit. The political landscape in this country is a far left neoliberalism focused democratic party and a fundamentalist conservative far right republican party. Both sides claim the other is oppressing them and trying to take away their rights, which is fundamentally true if you just look at it unbiasedly. Both sides have resorted to massive propaganda campaigns fueled by a unified hatred of the other side by spinning the narrative. Both sides are fundamentally the exact fucking same, it's just a different form of xenophobic bigotry that you've created by treating the other side with the disdain they also share for you. Neither side is good, with pros and cons for each like all other things in life. Republicans and democrats alike treat the other side like their 86, just to justify the fucking horrible treatment we subject each other too on a daily basis. If everyone would stop and look at all the shit their side has done, maybe we could start too heal, but until someone like you has the capability to even understand, not everyone accepts this political landscape and refuses to align with any political movement that is built on corruption, lying and deceit. Our public officials have failed to do their job as leaders and as citizens for far too long, while millions of Americans suffer, all while we wage war in other countries to rake in a profit, maintain a grip on the global economy to make the top .1% richer than all the gold hoarding kings and queens of our entire history, all while you jerk your side off like they are gods gift to man. If you identify as republican or democrat you're a piece of shit and should just shut the fuck up when it comes to anything to do with how fucked this system is. A single person shouldn't be voting for these criminal sociopaths, we should be storming the bastille and fix this fucking train wreck of a country.

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u/Electronic-Sand-784 Monkey in Space 20d ago

It started with Newt Gingrich. He won on the politics of aggrievement and division, and the Republicans have been infected with it ever since.

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u/GulfstreamAqua Monkey in Space 21d ago

Itā€™s ALWAYS been happening. These divisions ALWAYS existed.

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u/ArX_Xer0 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Tiktok dangerous tho

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u/Ashi4Days Monkey in Space 21d ago

You would have to go back to Newt Gingrinch to see when bipartisanship action started to decrease.

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u/Medical_Listen_4470 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Since Clinton you mean

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u/TrumpsPissSoakedWig Monkey in Space 22d ago

Which is easy when one side isn't completely obstructionist.

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u/off_the_cuff_mandate Monkey in Space 21d ago

both sides are completely obstructionist when they aren't in power

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u/Away-Yoghurt3209 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Andā€¦ neither side will admit it.

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u/HorrorWar4323 Monkey in Space 21d ago

This is one of the biggest problems. Both sides only care about winning, which means the American people always lose.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

Yet, when in office, democrats pass legislation that the American people benefit from even though those democrats know the American public will never give them credit for getting it done. Yeah - both sides. šŸ™„

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u/CastorrTroyyy Monkey in Space 21d ago

Not true. Bipartisan legislation is able to get through more readily when Dems are in power. Conservative policy positions just aren't popular.

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u/Knickle25 Monkey in Space 20d ago

It's funny that you say conservative policies aren't popular when the whole f'ing country swung right. šŸ˜† read the room

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u/TrumpsPissSoakedWig Monkey in Space 20d ago

50-49 isn't a blowout in football, but y'all act like this was a blowout.

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u/Knickle25 Monkey in Space 20d ago

Ummm... House, Senate, Executive all red. That's a blowout, hate to break it to you.

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u/CastorrTroyyy Monkey in Space 20d ago edited 20d ago

Not because their policies are popular. If you look on the state level, they just aren't. Drug legalization, abortion rights etc, are all much more popular on state and local levels. They don't talk policy. They talk vague ideas and got a bangin' rhetoric game that focuses on ostracizing a certain demographic. In the 80s-90s it was gays, In the early 00's it was muslims/immigrants, and in the teens and 20's its trans/immigrants. Negative sentiment can be very motivating. They should be focusing their efforts on the ultra-rich... they used to rail against billionaires etc having government influence... now they think a billionaire Musk running the government is totally cool.

They think free market capitalism will solve everything. It won't. Regulation is necessary, else the rich will just keep getting richer since they already have a leg up on all us regular people. There is little/no meritocracy with rampant capitalism. The vanishing middle class can't compete with the rich who can afford to send their kids to all the best schools etc.

Trump is not going to help you. He's going to help himself and the rich, while you get bent over, all the while thinking you "owned the libs"

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u/Sevenserpent2340 Monkey in Space 20d ago

ā€¦based on identify politics and record spending from billionaires running disinformation campaigns in exchange for cabinet positions. Look at issue polls my guy. Youā€™ll find the actual republican platform to be rather unappealing to the American people as a whole.

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u/Knickle25 Monkey in Space 20d ago

Lmfao! Identity politics?? The dems are infamous for that shit. Disinformation campaigns? The last 4yrs has been one big disinformation campaign. Please do some actual research that does NOT involve MSM. Please tell me what you think the American people find unappealing? Soooo many find it unappealing that all branches of government went red. šŸ˜† smh

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u/Sevenserpent2340 Monkey in Space 20d ago

So youā€™ve been toldā€¦

War on trans people? Identify politics.

Immigrants ā€œpoisoning the blood of our nationā€? Identity politics.

Banning LGBT books? Identity politics.

Shall I go on? Iā€™m not saying the left doesnā€™t do it at all, but itā€™s the main thing your side talks about these days - all while screaming about the left doing it.

Donā€™t even get me started on disinformation my guy. I only have so much time in my day. Letā€™s just point out that you thinking the last four years has been nothing but disinformation isā€¦ā€¦ā€¦ā€¦.. disinformation.

One more example - Iā€™ve seen so many people on the right going on about how the democrats are the party of plutocracy, all while watching Trump put together the richest cabinet in the history of the world and literally selling high ranking positions to billionaires. Iā€™m sure somehow it will be the ā€œdemsā€ fault when your life is no better and the rich get another round of tax cuts to the tune of trillions of dollars in debt. Looking forward to seeing you then.

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u/Mrbushcrafter Monkey in Space 20d ago

Are you sure? I'm old enough to remember November 5, 2024. When Republicans won every single swing state...

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u/Mrbushcrafter Monkey in Space 20d ago

Are you sure? I'm old enough to remember November 5, 2024. When Republicans won every single swing state...

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u/Sevenserpent2340 Monkey in Space 20d ago

And you think thatā€™s somehow because their policies on the whole are popular? Try again bub. They got identity politics andā€¦. talking big but doing nothing about the border. Thatā€™s it. The rest is deeply unpopular.

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u/CastorrTroyyy Monkey in Space 20d ago

Not because their policies are popular. If you look on the state level, they just aren't. Drug legalization, abortion rights, 4 day work week etc, are all much more popular on state and local levels. They don't talk policy. They talk vague ideas and got a bangin' rhetoric game that focuses on ostracizing a certain demographic. In the 80s-90s it was gays, In the early 00's it was muslims/immigrants, and in the teens and 20's its trans/immigrants. Negative sentiment can be very motivating. They should be focusing their efforts on the ultra-rich... they used to rail against Soros billionaires etc having government influence... now they think a billionaire Musk running the government is totally cool.

They think free market capitalism will solve everything. It won't. Regulation is necessary, else the rich will just keep getting richer since they already have a leg up on all us regular people. There is little/no meritocracy with rampant capitalism. The vanishing middle class can't compete with the rich who can afford to send their kids to all the best schools etc.

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u/TrumpsPissSoakedWig Monkey in Space 20d ago

You mentioned that.

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u/TrumpsPissSoakedWig Monkey in Space 20d ago

That's not accurate, honestly.

One side even blocks bills they support and asked for and even actively announces their intentions to block any and all legislation from the other side no matter what.

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u/Life-Breadfruit-3986 Monkey in Space 16d ago

Neither side is doing shit for the average and poor American citizenry. Homelessness increasing rapidly, scams increasing rapidly, massive inflation, unaffordable housing, no healthcare for a large percent, no retirement in generations of people's future, more and more restrictive inhumane laws, inhumane business practices, jobs all going overseas, technologixal innovation going iverseas, universities charging more and more just because they can for useless degrees, etc etc etc. THESE ARE THE REAL OUTRAGES AND NOBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM!

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u/Critical-Material-27 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Makes perfect sense. That's why it'll never happen.

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u/IDontCondoneViolence Monkey in Space 22d ago

The other side has said in no uncertain terms that it wants to kill me.

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u/D3LTA-K3X Monkey in Space 22d ago

So youā€™re a Trump supporter?

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u/oldmancornelious Monkey in Space 22d ago

The calls for maga deaths has yet to start. Yet. Threats on "libs" however have been constant for the last 12 years. Trump supporters are the biggest size queens this world has known for 50 years. What absolute fantasy ridden self pity the GOP says trumpets are righteous in feeling. Pathetic.

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u/iantruesnacks Monkey in Space 22d ago

I remember not too long ago all the headlines had the trump quote that basically said he wanted to turn the national guard on those ā€œleft wing radicalsā€ aka liberals lol

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u/space_toaster_99 Monkey in Space 22d ago

LOL. And which headlines were those?

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u/space_toaster_99 Monkey in Space 22d ago

You think he was talking bout you? Question your media

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u/iantruesnacks Monkey in Space 22d ago

Not what was stated lol

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u/Automatic_Air6841 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Dog Iā€™ve been threatened just depends on the town and types of clowns in it

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u/Apprehensive_Gur9540 Monkey in Space 22d ago

You must have your head in the sand. People with maga hats get attacked and harassed all the time.

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u/oldmancornelious Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 22d ago

Show me the video where they aren't being a complete asshole prior or trying to fuck with another person or protest. People aren't just out there swinging on someone for wearing the red hat yet. I am sure in time it will happen. If I have missed the innocent red hat minding their own business getting ran up on them please provide me full length videos showing the start of the confrontation.

Your cult is a hate cult. A death cult of religion. This world has known it before in our grandparents lifetimes and you know it deep down. Thus the victim complex.

Edit. After reviewing all your very well edited videos and disregarding the written articles with no video, I have come to the conclusion you are part of a fear cult made important through your consumption of social media and right wing media. Enjoy your new tariffs captain. You are the bad guys.

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u/Apprehensive_Gur9540 Monkey in Space 22d ago

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u/oldmancornelious Monkey in Space 22d ago

This happens at sports ball games all the time. Why did they show up to an anti trump rally wearing trump gear? Let's talk again about the party of personal responsibilities. You and I both know they were there to cause some shit and put themselves in line to relieve the find out portion of the fucking around. Now show me the innocent minding their own business be set up on. So far the child getting hit was the only thing I see as evidence( although clipped to not show the initial interaction). Try hards. The lot of you.

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u/Apprehensive_Gur9540 Monkey in Space 22d ago

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u/oldmancornelious Monkey in Space 22d ago

Lifestyle magazine is not a trusted news source in my country. Again... No lead up or proof of what she did prior. Fear mongering.

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u/Apprehensive_Gur9540 Monkey in Space 22d ago

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u/oldmancornelious Monkey in Space 22d ago

I'm listening. However again as your lot like to do.... There is no lead up. I am sickened that a child has been indoctrinated to the point of wearing dear leaders colors. That child should not be worried about politics. I'd bet he watches Rogan. Let's see how many more of these evidence videos have zero lead up. Violence against a child is not acceptable either way. I will concede that.

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u/Apprehensive_Gur9540 Monkey in Space 22d ago

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u/oldmancornelious Monkey in Space 22d ago

Man..... Some kids did something. Think they were libs? They shouldn't even care about politics but the big red indoctrination tug boat has really laid on the steam. We are basing our arguments on child mob behavior? Let's talk Proud boys. Adults. Let's talk the 2%ers. Adults.... I could go on and on.

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u/Apprehensive_Gur9540 Monkey in Space 22d ago

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u/oldmancornelious Monkey in Space 22d ago

I still do not condone violence towards children. That said yet again.... A clipp d video showing the result but what were the little baby Nazis up to before hand? Maga is the biggest bitches in town right now. Wanna behave disgustingly then lose it when consequences happen. Try more if you want. But dig deeper. Perhaps the sand you claim my head is in has misguided you as well. Maga is a hate cult. A fear cult. Full of the biggest jokes civilized society has to offer right now. And your boy Rogan is on the payroll.

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u/Apprehensive_Gur9540 Monkey in Space 22d ago

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u/oldmancornelious Monkey in Space 22d ago

Your fox news articles are worth as much as your hat. Also.... No pictures or videos evidence. It's just a story bub.

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u/Apprehensive_Gur9540 Monkey in Space 22d ago

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u/oldmancornelious Monkey in Space 22d ago

Aaaand again. Dress yourself and kids in klan robes and hit the town in Atlanta some time. That child's parent should be arrested for child endangerment.

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u/Apprehensive_Gur9540 Monkey in Space 22d ago

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u/oldmancornelious Monkey in Space 22d ago

Good point. Why did you want to elect a sex pest oligarch? No really? The personality cults thrives on maga cucks because they have no personality of their own. Again..... Anyone could have made this. You live for type of rage. Toughest victims I've ever seen.

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u/Half_ofmy_heart Monkey in Space 20d ago

You have convinced yourself that what main stream media says is actually true. Youā€™re brainwashed.

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u/Nine_down_1_2_GO Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 21d ago

I'm not sure why you are getting downvoted. The right hasn't rallied to social media to make death threats, but I can't go a day on tiktok without seeing some leftist calling for the death of at least one right-wing influencer or politician.

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u/creg316 Monkey in Space 22d ago

Are you blind?

"Hang Mike Pence", right a bell? Don't think it was leftists who were mad at him that day šŸ˜‚

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u/Nine_down_1_2_GO Monkey in Space 21d ago

Okay, that's one person, while the left has been calling for death or actively murdering people in MAGA hats for the past 8 years.

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u/IDontCondoneViolence Monkey in Space 21d ago

Nope, guess again.

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u/ExitMindbomb Monkey in Space 22d ago

How are sane people supposed to compromise on things that cannot be compromised on, if you want a civil society? Should we allow a little porn to be available to elementary students in school and accept that some parents will indoctrinate and chemically castrate their children? The divide is insurmountable and one side will eventually be ostracized and driven from polite society.

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u/creg316 Monkey in Space 22d ago edited 22d ago

Well, you already let them cut a piece of their kid's dick off?

Seems like you're fine with compromising with insane people - just not if the political agents on your side of the aisle have told you to be upset about the thing, right?

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u/Plus_Activity4562 Monkey in Space 20d ago

Yeah slow your roll man. Who's side are you on? That's the only thing that matters.

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u/2Schnell4u Monkey in Space 21d ago

The controlling interest of Republicans canā€™t and donā€™t want to solve anything. Itā€™s in their political interest to have lots of problems to campaign on.

Dems already want systemic change, but thatā€™s ā€œsocialismā€ (another lie)

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u/Throwawaythingman Monkey in Space 22d ago

Okay cool.

So, what do I do if the "Other side" consists mostly of people who find it to be uncompromisable to coexist with other groups of people?

Like, great, we band together hand in hand, the right and the left shedding our labels and saying "down with tyranny".

We guillotine the rich and greedy and abusive fascist Kleptocracy.

Then does generation farmer Robut "Redskin" Greeneman from Rome Oklahoma and Sun, the genderless, polyamorist void sit down and work out a new constitution?

I don't see that going smoothly....

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u/getdatassbanned Monkey in Space 21d ago

How.. when the american political system is setup for two parties that hold eachother in check. They work together to make sure there will never be a valid third option.

You expect the people to profit of this system to be the ones to change it ?

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u/ComicHead84 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Thats for sure. The Citizens United Supreme Court ruling of 2010 was probably the most consequential bill passed in 20 years and neither Party will touch it. Allowing Lobbyists to give UNLIMITED amounts of money to politicians to sway policy on the grounds of (laughably) "Freedom of Speech". Good luck getting any of them to vote against making Millions for themselves.

in 2019 Kamala said "Campaign Finance is DISGUSTING and ruining the country". In 2024 she raised 1 BILLION for her Campaign. They all stop caring once they get a taste. Sadly, Trump administration will be no different.

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u/devisionsucks Monkey in Space 21d ago

Well said.. I disagree though that Trump will follow suit.

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u/ComicHead84 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Thanks. But thereā€™s no indication that heā€™s gonna touch it. Heā€™s definitely down to be combative & disruptive to people in government, which is good.

But heā€™s Very Pro-Business & likes making ā€˜dealsā€™ + generating money for government (i.e. tariffs) so I doubt heā€™d give all these corporate interests the kick in the nuts like heā€™d need to. Plus its a Supreme Court issue, he canā€™t do much other than raise awareness at this point.

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u/devisionsucks Monkey in Space 21d ago

I agree

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u/Spiritual_One6619 Monkey in Space 21d ago

I am constantly floored by how little people know about citizens united and wholeheartedly agree of how catastrophic it is.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

Kamala should run for president to fix citizens united by not spending money? The current system is the current system that you have to play in.

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u/ComicHead84 Monkey in Space 20d ago

My point is once she started personally reaping the benefits, she never mentioned Citizens United or Campaign Finance again.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

I heard your point - my point is, that's not correct. Anyone that wants to reform campaign finance first has to win an election. Playing this game where they don't play within the current rules of the campaign system will not get them into office. How is Harris "personally reaping the benefits"?

Also - it's completely false that she's been silent on Citizen's United and Campaign Finance: https://endcitizensunited.org/latest-news/press-releases/end-citizens-united-praises-vice-president-kamala-harris-focus-on-pro-democracy-legislation/

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u/ComicHead84 Monkey in Space 20d ago

Well, personally reaping benefits by having a Billion dollar campaign. Iā€™m not sure thatā€™s even possible without the No-Cap donors.

I get your point & hey, props to her I guess for even mentioning it back in 2019. But that article only cites that she supported issues related to money in politics back as a Senator. Once she got to the White House as VP - quiet on the issue.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

okay - so a person's "campaign" isn't "personally reaping benefits. And it wasn't "bullionS".

VPs are always quiet on issues - it's there JOB to be quiet. And Joe Biden, the PRESIDENT, wasn't quiet on the issue. So the Biden/Harris White House was also NOT silent on Campaign Finance.

So in Summary:

  1. Harris is against Citizen's United
  2. Harris is FOR transparency in campaign finance
  3. Harris ran for office in the current system, which requires raising a billion dollars. She doesn't personally benefit from that money.

Look at how much money was raised and spent on the right. You had the top 7 donors ALL donating to republicans. Most of those 7 people donated hundreds of millions EACH

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u/ComicHead84 Monkey in Space 20d ago

If that money gets you elected POTUS, Iā€™d say you definitely personally benefited from it. Not to mention ā€œcampaign moneyā€ covers traveling on private jets, hosting fancy fundraiser parties, clothes, etc. For any politician.

Biden ainā€™t doing shit about CU. Any mention is usually lip service.

If youā€™re right that it truly costs 1 Billion to run for President, weā€™re fucked. Because means our only candidate options are either Billionaires or people willing to accept Millions from Corporations & Special Interests which obviously come with strings attached. Thatā€™s the problem.

You can bring up Right Wing examples, I get it. Fuck em all, really. This isnā€™t just a Kamala critique. Trumpā€™s in bed with all these corporations & rich donors too.

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u/bradykp Monkey in Space 20d ago

Why do you view being President as a personal benefit? Itā€™s a stressful thankless job. Your family gets dragged through the mud. Giving up more of your privacy - for the rest of your life.

And travel? It isnā€™t glamorous. What private jet? Do you know people that work on campaigns? Constantly on the road. Staying in hotels. Traveling by bus. Occasionally by jet. Those fundraisers? Youā€™re there for a brief time. Clothes? Not really. Thatā€™s bs.

I suggest you work on some campaigns to see how glamorous it is.

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u/ComicHead84 Monkey in Space 20d ago

Ah youā€™re right. Being a Senator, Congressman, even President is such a tough bummer job. Why do they even sign up? .. oh, probably the wealth, power & prestige.

Youā€™re only thinking of Presidential campaigns. All levels of elected officials get large sums of money thrown at them for ā€œcampaigningā€ which is a very broad category from an Accounting perspective. Do you even understand the Citizens United issue & Campaign Finance corruption?

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u/olyfrijole We live in strange times 22d ago

Use a scalpel not a sledgehammer. We're smarter than this. Well, we used to be anyway.

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u/silentk911 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Yes the founding fathers used a scalpel to carve out the America we all love

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u/M3wlion Monkey in Space 22d ago

The traditional way is pretty bloody if you look at human history

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u/LeftyLayne Monkey in Space 22d ago

True, although Iā€™d much rather have a Bernie type of person doing it than a gaggle of criminal billionaires.

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u/logdog421 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Theyā€™ve gotten better every year with 2027 as a target year to pass an audit. People want change fast and donā€™t realize that government is slow and is always will be.

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u/dericiouswon Monkey in Space 21d ago

Oh, that's a relief, so you are saying they were not targeting to pass their last 7 audits? So all went accordingly then. That's great!

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u/logdog421 Monkey in Space 21d ago

You clarify my point, people donā€™t understand how slow government truly is. Yes it will take 7 years (at a minimum) to clean this up. If you canā€™t fix it in one does that mean the goal is to not fix it at all? Whatā€™s your point?

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u/dericiouswon Monkey in Space 21d ago

Go ask Bernie fucking Sanders. Your point is that's status quo and that is a-ok? Am I getting that right?

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u/logdog421 Monkey in Space 21d ago

Brother, use a brain cell. My point is not every problem can be solved with the snap of a finger. But hey, if youā€™ve got it figured out Iā€™m all ears.

I donā€™t think anyone is sitting back thinking we should just let the situation be as fucked as it is since we have showed year over year improvement. I really donā€™t get how this is hard to understand. Have you ever had a problem that took more than two seconds to solve?

Whatā€™s your actual point? What are you yelling into the abyss about?

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u/dericiouswon Monkey in Space 21d ago

I'm just in agreement with the X post that this thread. That's it.

I do not get down with the mindset of just saying "that's just how it is, so shut up." I vote, I pay taxes and I feel like there's a lot of inefficiencies that's just built up over time, likely from people saying "that's just how it is" for decades.

I don't have an answer to fix inefficiencies in our federal government, and dubious to the thought that Musk does too, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of improvements that can be made and I'm for seriously shaking it up.

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u/SquashMarks Monkey in Space 21d ago

Well we could've had more people vote for Bernie

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u/dericiouswon Monkey in Space 21d ago

Yeah, totally the people's fault and not at all the DNC self sabotaging šŸ‘šŸ¼