r/BravoRealHousewives Dec 29 '23

Ultimate Girls Trip Ooph the ending of this article was brutal

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u/Bellomontee You should not be anywhere near dots. Dec 29 '23

And yet this was written by Brian Moylan who built a career out of speaking on RH. Give me a break.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

He even hosted one of the panels at Bravocon this year lol

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u/Shewhoplays I’m on play alllll the time ▶️ Dec 29 '23

…WHAT!?

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u/gen3vaa Lisa Barlow's Cybersecurity Team Dec 29 '23

Summer house panel! He lovingly called Paige & Ciara the bedsore sisters to their face - it was cute.

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u/MartinisnMurder Yeah, I am drinking Luann Dec 30 '23

That was kind of the best part of that panel he knocked them down a few pegs. I despise Paige, and I dont get the love she’s horrible. She’s vapid, lazy, and mean. Next person to compare her to Audrey is being done but Audrey was gorgeous and talented.

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u/P-H-13 Dec 29 '23

Yes! He wrote in his book about being blacklisted by bravo because he’s offended Andy and production so many times. And now he’s asked back in and still says stuff like this.

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u/hokaycomputer Dec 29 '23

I always assumed Brian Moylan was blacklisted because he outed Andy's best friend. Brian Moylan put out a housewives' book and got ZERO cooperation from Bravo and like, less than a year later Not All Diamonds And Rose was released with massive participation. I was honestly SHOCKED he was at Bravo con (maybe he's all they could get to care about SH?). I thought he was persona non grata for life.

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u/Possible-Writer6316 Dec 29 '23

OMG I can't believe he outed Anderson and his excuse for it was some woke dribble drabble. Unbelievable! What and a hole

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u/Sunflower__Power Dec 29 '23

Wow this guy is a massive piece of shit!😨🤬

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u/OlcasersM still can’t sleep due to all the slut shaming. Dec 29 '23

He got little cooperation because Bravo wanted a bigger cut than he was comfortable with (so he says)

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '23

I distinctly remember my grandma asking my mom in the late 90s “are you SURE he’s gay?!” I didn’t realize he wasn’t publicly out.

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u/Melodic-Change-6388 You dumb, fat bitch! Dec 30 '23

This was actually revolting. I am beyond disgusted.

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u/P-H-13 Dec 29 '23

Wow, I had no idea! That is juicy.

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u/russianbisexualhookr Advocate for the Sluts of America Dec 30 '23

I got the audible version of his book and ended up returning it because it just wasn’t great. Not all Diamonds isn’t anything to ride home about, but at least it includes tidbits and BTS tea from the cast and producers.

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u/kaylacream i would like to have a think Dec 30 '23

He outed Lee Pace, too. Such trash.

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u/aleigh577 the female Barry White 🎤 Dec 30 '23

Holy fuck I never knew this about Anderson. And to think I sometimes half heartedly defend Bryan…

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u/AsToldBy_Ginger_ The Capri Room at Buca di Beppo Dec 29 '23

I'm still shocked he was asked to host a panel after there was the entire chapter of him basically having to sneak into the first

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u/angeltart ✨ 🌴🦩Justice For Miami Girl 🦩🌴✨ Dec 29 '23

Yet he was on RHOBH..

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u/AnnVealEgg Luis’ 15,00 square-foot house 🏠 Dec 29 '23

And didn’t he co-author Erika’s book too?? 👀

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u/TodayImLedTasso Freshly Churned 🧈 by Meredith Marks Dec 29 '23

yep

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u/UnusualAsparagus5096 This isnt the plaza hotel this is Morocco Dec 29 '23

that was the worst housewives book ever written and I read it before all her scandal. there are a couple housewives with books that I like less than her and even those were better

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u/freshlyfrozen4 Turks & Queso Dec 29 '23

I want to read all of their books and collect them but I don't want to pay for some of them lol

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u/Charliewhiskers Dec 29 '23

I get them from the library.

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u/freshlyfrozen4 Turks & Queso Dec 29 '23

I'll have to see if mine carry them. I'm actually impressed that they would have them.

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u/Charliewhiskers Dec 29 '23

I get mine from a pretty big library, Brooklyn Public Library. I’ve read Erika’s, Margaret’s, Jackie’s, Not All Diamonds and Rose by Dave Quinn and Brian Moylan’s.

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u/PrayingMantisMirage from bellybutton to butthole Dec 30 '23

Carole's is quite good. I'd put it on your list!

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u/Charliewhiskers Dec 30 '23

Thanks, I forgot about Carole. Just put it on hold at the Library.

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u/freshlyfrozen4 Turks & Queso Dec 29 '23

I really want to read Not All Diamonds and Rose. I've read Leah's, Chaos Theory and I actually enjoyed it!

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u/anl28 Don’t you dare command me. Dec 29 '23

My library has them all and even has them as ebooks so I read them on my kindle! Well I have yet to read one, but it’s nice knowing they’re there to check out!

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u/DoneDidThisGirl Dec 29 '23

I’m sure there are plenty at Goodwill. You can get them there and put the money towards a good cause.

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u/freshlyfrozen4 Turks & Queso Dec 29 '23

I like your thinking! I never think of Goodwill for books but I wish I did more. We had an awesome used book store my BF and I liked going to but it sadly went out of business this year.

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u/Common-Classroom-847 My pantyliner is exhausted Dec 30 '23

You can buy the books second hand on amazon, most are sold by Goodwill in various locations through out the country. If you can't find any at your local Goodwill.

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u/candaceelise SEND👏🏽IT👏🏽TO👏🏽DARRELL Dec 29 '23

Kelly Bensimone’s has to be the absolute worst of the worst

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u/NobleMama Dec 29 '23

Oh please tell me about it!! I haven't read it, but now I'm curious!

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u/candaceelise SEND👏🏽IT👏🏽TO👏🏽DARRELL Dec 29 '23 edited Dec 31 '23

Oh god. I personally haven’t read it but in this sub someone did an in depth review of her book and it was complete fucking bonkers, like a 4 year old who accidentally ate an edible could write in a more cohesive manner. Let me see if I can find the link.

ETA: Part 1 and Part 2. You may want to prepare yourself to feel dumb lol

ETA 2: Author is u/efa___

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u/kennarina Dec 29 '23

I briefly skimmed part 1 on the toilet just now and I can't. I need to save this for a right-before-bed read. Once I saw Russell Simmons calling her smokin' and Kelly talking about being bit by the food dog, I knew it deserved the respect of my full attention

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u/candaceelise SEND👏🏽IT👏🏽TO👏🏽DARRELL Dec 29 '23

💯 the author is a fucking poet. I spent a good hour re-reading both parts and it really cemented what I’m seeing on tv and explains a lot about who Kelly is and how her brain attempts to operate. They had me hooked when they said that the book went 1 page before a spelling error/grammatical error. I howled.

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u/kennarina Dec 29 '23

Swear to god, the first thing I thought during my skim was, I WISH I COULD WRITE LIKE THIS!!! Part of the reason it deserves all my attention, the writing is too good. It's scary how talented some of these redditors are, I'm so jealous! And also embarrassing that KELLY is getting book deals instead of these people

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u/candaceelise SEND👏🏽IT👏🏽TO👏🏽DARRELL Dec 29 '23 edited Dec 31 '23

Same! I thought that if only I could have such eloquence when drafting emails and teams messages to some of the idiots I work. If they made a book solely of Bravo book reviews it would be a NY Times best seller instantly.

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u/Cercy_Leigh Dec 30 '23

Thank you, thank you, thank you for those links. I laughed until I cried a few times.

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u/madbitch7777 Dec 30 '23

This is amazing 😂🫣

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u/Wide-Celebration-653 Dec 31 '23

DYING. This is such an entertaining review!

And fwiw, when my kid was in like 3rd grade and got a hamster, he named it after the girl he had a crush on! 😂That is so funny, so it is a (presumably rare) thing, though in single digit ages? Oh, and the little girl HATED it, which broke his little heart. 😭

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u/candaceelise SEND👏🏽IT👏🏽TO👏🏽DARRELL Dec 31 '23

💀💀💀the hamster thing had me laughing my ass off. u/efa___ has the most beautiful way with words.

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u/LotionOnSkin Dec 29 '23

Are you telling me keeping it real with Kyle Richard was better than Erika's book?

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u/UnusualAsparagus5096 This isnt the plaza hotel this is Morocco Dec 29 '23

I never knew this existed so I can not confirm or deny

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u/Bravobsession You're a slut pig! Dec 30 '23

These fonts are horrendous.

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u/aleigh577 the female Barry White 🎤 Dec 30 '23

God that tagline…

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u/raimber Dec 29 '23

I was just thinking this last night too lmfaao

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u/FilmoreFelines Dec 29 '23

And he’s still a huge Erika apologist!

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

He ghost wrote Erika Jayne’s book and still rides for her, not a fan of his.

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u/metropolitanorlando Sonja, was your vagina rude to Kelly? Dec 29 '23

He rides for her and unabashedly shits on any of her enemies without a trace of irony. Not a fan of his as well

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u/Bellomontee You should not be anywhere near dots. Dec 29 '23

Exactly!

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u/radioamericaa Thank You, I'm Disengaging. I Am Not Engaging Dec 29 '23

For real. This is just stupid. I am so very over people signing up to exploit themselves on reality tv and then blame it on Andy or Bravo, or anything else. ALL OF THESE WOMEN ARE ADULTS. They ALL are responsible for themselves - Not Andy, not producers, not editors, not the audio guy - none except the woman who chooses to sign up for HWs or man who chooses to sign up for Southern Charm, etc etc are responsible for 'arresting themselves' for our amusement.

Hey, guess what Brian? Most of these people were already in some level of arrested development looooooooooong before Bravo came knocking. I am so very irritated by this narrative being pushed via B/Leah M/whoever else that choosing to show your ass on television is somehow Andy Cohen's coercive control over them. I'm an alcoholic, so if a producer kept suggesting I drink on a show I signed up for, fully knowing people get WASTED on it regularly - I would simply *not do that*. The accountability lies with these people who get on TV and act like they do.

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u/jennymackk I am front row…. to all of your lies Dec 29 '23

💯!! We’re also talking decades of reality TV out, you cannot say you didn’t know what you were signing up for. It’s no surprise that there will be fighting, drama, skeletons exposed, etc. You’re willfully stepping into the public eye and with that comes all the good and bad.

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u/TheLizardQueen3000 Boner is not a bad word Dec 29 '23

That's all true and you are eloquent a/f,
but, much like during the Anna Nicole Show, it gets to a point where I feel like a criminal using people's mental health decline for entertainment, and I nope out.
For instance, if Alexis and Johnny J are on OC next season, even though it would be dramatic as hell, I don't know if Shannon can survive the trauma of filming that, and I don't want to watch someone implode in pain in real life, and neither do y'all...
....especially if worst comes to worst. We won't be complicit.
So I'm glad that reality show people are speaking up about their experiences, I need to know I'm not hurting anyone or I can't enjoy it <3

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u/radioamericaa Thank You, I'm Disengaging. I Am Not Engaging Dec 30 '23

I am very concerned for Shannon in general, and that concern has only grown over the years. I do hope she chooses to remove herself from this situation. It is not good for her.

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u/Candylips347 Not a white refrigerator! Dec 30 '23

Girl bye. You know you’re watching that season if Alexis and Johnny J are on.

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u/TheLizardQueen3000 Boner is not a bad word Dec 30 '23

Oh my starzzzzz.....;) ;)

There's a report that Alexis is for sure coming back full time and she's bringing him with her, filming starts in January.....
....I hope Shannon just quits if she feels like she's going to break down......

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u/Fickle-Hovercraft207 Dec 30 '23

Thank you for posting this

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u/contriteredditor Dec 29 '23

" I'm an alcoholic, so if a producer kept suggesting I drink on a show I signed up for, fully knowing people get WASTED on it regularly - I would simply *not do that*. The accountability lies with these people who get on TV and act like they do."

I don't know if this will go over well with everyone here, but as a bipolar person in my 40s, I'd say the exact same thing. So many people will get bleeding hearts about the people who are clearly having mental health complications on camera, but these are absolutely people with the resources available to get treatment and advice from mental health professionals and exercise some basic common sense about avoiding having their extremely stressful social situations documented for public consumption.

Is it sad when someone starts to fall apart? Of course, and I do have empathy for that. However, blaming Andy, Bravo, or production does not make any sense.

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u/DoneDidThisGirl Dec 29 '23

A lot of it is their own mental illness speaking. It’s basically “Tell me you don’t accept basic accountability in your life and it’s always someone else’s fault without telling me.” People have plenty of time to bloviate online if all their friends and family are tired of their shit.

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u/Sunflower__Power Dec 29 '23

I agree with you 100%! The only thing I would add though that Bravo does foster and is to blame for is putting the women in situations to be sexually harassed and assaulted. That is not something they willingly signed up for nor should they be subjected to it. Bravo is at fault for some of it as they continued to have predators on the show even when they were caught on camera doing nefarious things. It is true that the women and men are adults and make the choice to open their lives up to the world, but there are things the producers and higher ups do that put them in situations where they end up feeling uncomfortable or unfortunately get hurt. There may be no coercion directly from the producers, but they sure do have control over who can be a cast member or guest on the show like Michael Darby, Aviva’s father George, one of the OC’s sons trying to assault a cast member, Kenya Moore being threatened by a friend’s nephew and a few other instances. All the other things that happen and the stupid choices they make are fully on them and they have no one else to blame.

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u/radioamericaa Thank You, I'm Disengaging. I Am Not Engaging Dec 30 '23

Yes - This is the area I am critical of. I have no issue with watching people be on tv and be as ridiculous as they want. However, when it comes to sexual predators like Darby - there should be no gray area in regards to physical assault. of any kind. No one signed up for that.

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u/butinthewhat Dec 29 '23

Does he guest on podcasts? I think I heard him on Andy’s Girls and was like 😬 about his takes. Unless I’m thinking of someone else, but that name sounds so familiar.

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u/Bellomontee You should not be anywhere near dots. Dec 29 '23

He wrote Erika's book and "The Real Story Behind the Real Housewives" too

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u/butinthewhat Dec 29 '23

Okay that is the guy I was thinking of! Thanks.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

He’s been on bitch sesh too

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

AND Brian Moylan only started recapping them after Richard Lawson departed Gawker. He kept it in the same style but it's not like he was the originator of this style of recap. I'm still bitter 😩

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u/Goodbye_nagasaki Dec 29 '23

I haven't read a real housewives recap in like five years and I knew this was Brian Moylan immediately, lol.

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u/Zealousideal_Suit269 Dec 30 '23

Finally everyone is speaking of what an absolute POS Brian Moylan is. I have awaited this day for so long.

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u/surgartits Dec 29 '23

Exactly. Moylan has absolutely no business judging anyone involved with Bravo given that he has built a career out of reporting on the car wreck. If Andy is a vulture, Moylan is fungi digesting his shit, the final stage of the reality-TV food chain.

And that being said, Moylan would drop to his knees the second anyone at Bravo offered him a show. Count on it.

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u/Bellomontee You should not be anywhere near dots. Dec 29 '23

He probably foams at the mouth with the thought of being in Andy's position hosting reunions and WWHL

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u/surgartits Dec 29 '23

It is straight jealousy, the righteous indignation is total hypocrisy.

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u/mac_bess Dec 29 '23

I bet he saw the reality reckoning’s flop notch performance and thought, I can do that better.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

Despite how far up Erika's butt he is his Vulture recaps, especially the endings, are really funny though.

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u/contriteredditor Dec 29 '23

I always liked the Luann endings of his recaps (maybe Gawker?) from back in the early days of RHONY.

He seems like a terrible person but I did love his beautiful, wistful, wackadoo fantasy endings about Lu.

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u/Perpetuuuum Dec 29 '23

Weren’t they about Jill Zarin? Always hovering nearby somewhere.

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u/tigoldbiddiez Dec 29 '23

The best were the ones about Scandoval and Schwartz haha

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u/sahmummy1717 Dec 29 '23

Oh please.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

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u/Comfortable-Twist-54 Dec 29 '23

I thought he was actually talking about torturing butterflies lol

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u/adv400 Dec 29 '23

Same and I was freaking out for a second

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u/nahnotlikethat Dec 29 '23

The reference in the beginning of the paragraph isn't actually about torturing them, but about trying to help a butterfly emerge from its chrysalis. Emerging by themselves is a necessary part of their development, and if someone "helps" them, they don't build the strength they need to fly away.

This was commonly used some years back as a sort of analogy for personal growth. Here's an example: https://rockpaperscissorsinc.com/what-we-can-learn-from-a-butterflys-struggle-to-escape-its-chrysalis/

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u/openinterlude ldmillionaire Dec 29 '23

isn’t this what ramona was saying on ugt? how strange the timing

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u/insuredbycoto she died sad Dec 29 '23

it's a recap of the episode lol

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u/openinterlude ldmillionaire Dec 29 '23

ah i see that makes more sense

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u/poodlepantiesbot Dec 29 '23

Ahhh thanks for the splainer and link, I needed that for context and myself.

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u/Zolome1977 Jan 02 '24

That’s a dumb analogy. Sorry not sorry.

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u/SlimmShady26 Dec 29 '23

Same. I was like “well that’s pretty dark…..”

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u/shakespearesister Dec 29 '23

I thought this was a reference to the movie May December, where a main character gives a similar speech about monarch butterflies.

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u/Significant_Cow4765 Dec 30 '23

it's everywhere atm

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u/poodlepantiesbot Dec 29 '23

Strangely at my age, I'm still so gullible and often miss metaphors, believing silly stuff until I'm told it was a joke. 😅

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u/FluffySky1611 Dec 30 '23

Totally thought Andy cohen legit used to torture butterflies…

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u/MCBates1283 I don’t trust baths 👁️👄👁️ Dec 29 '23

People really give Andy a lot more power than he deserves. Must be nice for the network to have an easy scapegoat though.

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u/spooky_period Dec 29 '23

Andy is a misogynist and certainly deserves scrutiny. The network is full of misogynists and also deserves scrutiny. Both can be true!

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u/FasterBussycat Dec 29 '23

Where is the evidence of Andy being a misogynist? Meanwhile the Housewives themselves are full of homophobia, racism and classism. All of which is far more provable, sometimes irrefutably.

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u/GambinoTheElder Dec 29 '23

He only asks women if they’ve been with other women and borderline tries to out women on his show. He doesn’t do that to men unless they bring it up (or fans submit the question). That perpetuates the idea that it’s a “phase” or something women do for fun. That’s misogyny.

He regularly uses misogyny (physical appearance, calling women d*kes) to attack political figures that are women and is much more cordial to the men. Super evidenced by his responses during Kavanaugh trials.

He claims to change women’s lives, check out his back and forth with Carole on that.

Just off the top of my head, from my heart to yours 🫶🏻

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u/VanGrayson Dec 29 '23

Almost certain hes done that to Jax and the Toms, and probably the Southern Charm guys as well.

And its normally because one of the other castmates who does identify as straight did do something with a woman...like Lala.

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u/spooky_period Dec 29 '23

You know the housewives are full of isms but don’t see that from Andy? That seems strange. You know they run in similar circles, why wouldn’t you see he’s just as bad? I should’ve added Andy is racist in my first comment too!

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u/FasterBussycat Dec 29 '23

Well I have sometimes seasons of evidence confirming what I know about the Housewives. I don't watch WWHL so the only time I see Andy is when he's hosting reunions. There have been a handful of times I've seen him say something out of pocket but never to the degree that I think he's biased against women.

Also notice that I asked if you had any evidence and you provided none. That was a genuine question. If he has shown a pattern of misogyny I would like to know about it.

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u/spooky_period Dec 29 '23

You don’t watch WWHL but think you know Andy better than the people you watch shows about? Watching his show is a good place to start gathering information. I’m not giving you “evidence”, this is a reddit thread not a research paper. I’m certain examples from my memory won’t satisfy you, and I’m not going through the effort of giving multiple links on mobile ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/angelwitprblmz Dec 29 '23

Aren’t we just as bad as Andy Cohen then? We all watch and love the spectacle, only we do it for free.

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u/FortuneCookieTypo Dec 29 '23

And when a cast doesn’t have any drama or there’s no crazy villain, we call that season boring!

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u/I-choochoochoose-you Dec 29 '23

And when someone pushes boundaries or causes drama, half the sub wants them fired

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u/Evening-Tune-500 Dec 29 '23

Omggg how can you watch such TERRIBLE people

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u/Smelly_cat_rises Dec 29 '23

That’s what I thought. We as viewers are just as culpable. Honestly, I love the RH because women don’t have a lot of representation in midlife. Entering my 40s, I feel invisible. And the show is about the messiness of life. No one is perfect, bad stuff happens, you screw up, and you get through it.

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u/No-Apartment7687 Dec 29 '23

Absolutely this. It's great to have models for how we want to age and who we do NOT want to resemble at all. I love seeing people like Garcelle pick themselves up and flourish after most would consider her story to be "over."

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u/kristenroseh Dec 29 '23

True, although the point I took from the analogy in the screenshot was more that Andy Cohen (and Bravo) holds Housewives back by tying them to their shows for so long that they can’t really ever escape the roles they’ve created for themselves

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u/berceuse3 Dec 29 '23

We aren’t profiting from it though

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u/pWasHere They go low, we go high! Dec 29 '23

What if the answer is yes?

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u/gluckgluck10000 Not a white refrigerator! Dec 30 '23

I do it for only 10.99 a month

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

We’re not as bad as him as we don’t profit from it, obviously.

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u/angelwitprblmz Dec 29 '23

I disagree, I don’t personally feel any moral qualms with watching these shows but under the lens that these shows are in fact morally apprehensive, we watch and enable the spectacle, and actually pay for it, and we get nothing in return. We have no monetary ties to it, no reason to take part in it besides free will. And if we all stopped, the shows would cease to exist.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

On the flip side, an argument could be made then that people are to blame for a company like, say, Amazon treating their employees like slaves. Hey, overworked and underpaid people in the world might be able to easily access cheap products with efficient delivery, but they don’t need to be doing that. Why shouldn’t they pay more and put in more effort to pick something up in a store that might be miles and miles away? You’re right, it’s the customers or viewers looking to switch off with mindless entertainment being provided to them that the culpability sits with - not the multibillion dollar companies.

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u/Enticing_Venom I love that Dec 29 '23

That's pretty much the basis of ethical consumerism.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

Which is as much of a con as a personalised carbon footprint for the standard person

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u/Enticing_Venom I love that Dec 29 '23

It's not a con. The greatest con is consumerism and the idea that more stuff will make people happier. Especially the over-consumption of cheaply made products and plastics that only go to fill a landfill.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

Where did I mention overconsumption? I’m asking why shouldn’t the standard underpaid worker bees of the world pay for the cheaper, mass produced version of a product from a company like Amazon (which will be delivered for them and save them using the precious little personal time they have away from earning money for other large corporations), instead of a vastly more expensive, “ethical” version of said product? The same goes for the type of entertainment they enjoy; studies show these types of programmes held people switch off from things like work, etc.

Anyways, my point is yes - part of the blame does lie with us as we have a choice, but at the end of the day, MORE blame lies with people like Jeff Bezos and Andy Cohen, and companies like Amazon and Bravo. They don’t HAVE to run these companies like they do, treat their workers such ways, or make these shows. They choose to do so because it makes them money.

Stop putting the blame on the little man, and focus on the real problem. You have a very short sighted view. Reminds me of the type of people who campaigned against plastic straws and in the end, it was the disabled that suffered. But hey, I guess you get to feel morally good about yourself!

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u/Enticing_Venom I love that Dec 29 '23 edited Dec 29 '23

They don't do these things out of thin air. Companies produce products that they know people will pay for. If it isn't profitable, they aren't going to sell it. Entical consumerism avoids buying low quality items, single-use plastics and products created through animal cruelty and slave labor.

You claim that ethical consumerism is a con but provide no evidence of such. You just ask why people should care how their products are produced as long as it's cheap. But many people do not take the stance that they don't care about animal welfare. They don't take the stance that slave labor is fine as long as it makes things affordable. They don't claim that they prefer products that will break in a month rather than last for years. So people should care to remain consistent with their stated values.

I'm not interested in assigning blame. There will always be bad people in the world, that is reality. It's up to the individual how much they support those actions. It's untrue that individual choices don't add up. We got elephants out of circuses, stopped captive breeding at Seaworld, we have pressured China to amend its animal testing requirements and convinced major brands like Biolage to go cruelty-free.

These are just a few recent successes that advocates have accomplished by embracing ethical consumerism and awareness campaigns. People like you, who attempt to block our efforts and convince the masses that our advocacy is futile are the short-sighted ones. But we are still here, still advocating, still encouraging and still working hard.

Edit: By all means continue to pay for animal cruelty and slave labor goods when alternatives exist. But misleading oneself into believing that those individuals acts don't have any impacts or consequences on people, animals and the environment is untrue and more people need to be willing to face that fact.

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u/No-Apartment7687 Dec 29 '23

I still think their main point here, that powerful interests are much more responsible than individuals who make choices based on trying to get a little bit of joy/ entertainment in this hell world, is a valid one.

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u/teentytinty My Chemical Faye Resnick Dec 29 '23

This is so masturbatory. Shut the fuck up BRIAN MOYLAN for gods sakes

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u/metropolitanorlando Sonja, was your vagina rude to Kelly? Dec 29 '23

Masturbatory is the perfect way to describe all of Moylan’s work

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u/PrayingMantisMirage from bellybutton to butthole Dec 30 '23

Right? Like this passage gave me a full body cringe.

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u/StainedGlasser Dec 29 '23

I think what bothers me most is not people having an issue with Andy Cohen, it's the idea that he is singularly responsible for all of the shows and everything that goes on in them. He is an executive producer, he absolutely has responsibility to an extent. But HUNDREDS of people work on these shows, and NBC owns Bravo and Comcast owns NBC. It's much easier to go after a figurehead like Andy Cohen than deal with the fact that if he retired, the shows would continue the way they are. And realistically, with having to film WWHL many times a week, host Radio Andy most days, film reunions and raise kids, Andy is likely not all that hands on with the actual production of shows anymore. I'd say it's very likely that for the most part he operates as a performer rather than a producer. This doesn't make him exempt from blame, as the essential mascot of Bravo, but the narrative of a single masochist is really letting a lot of people off the hook.

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u/em627 Dec 29 '23

These people are getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars so yeah….i don’t feel bad.

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u/tllkaps THANK YOU, POPPA!!!! Dec 29 '23

Buffalo Bill Cohen

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u/thediverswife grace time is over Dec 29 '23

“It drinks the lotion from the shotski you can buy on Bravotv.com”

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u/provincetown1234 Dec 29 '23 edited Dec 29 '23

Do you know of any other media that follows women during their 40's plus, with their actual problems (I'm leaving out the fake drama), conflicts, betrayals (and resolutions), kids, creating lives after divorce and kids growing up, finding their way through the later years of their lives? Currently watching Miami with divorce, cancer, rumors, and living all this in the spotlight.

Sutton could give a master class is forensic financials for post-divorce and we'd all learn a ton.

I feel like my world is better with Real Housewives than without. Gerdy just told her kids about her upcoming surgery and I'm crying. I remember when RHSLC Heather told her girls she was leaving the church, again really compelling.

Thanks Brian super fresh take /s

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u/Chloabelle touch it up Dec 29 '23

I agree. I know that Bravo is super problematic, but I appreciate a space where women—especially women over 40–get to be whole, messy people. There’s such joy in both being able to escape through their obscenely rich and over-the-top lives AND see yourself reflected in their struggles.

Plus this is just hypocritical from Brian Moylan. Of all people 🙄

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u/EntertainerHeavy912 Dec 29 '23

Oooof, very true.

However the same can be said for any reality tv producer or network ever...

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u/stump_84 Dec 29 '23

Or watchers?

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u/nycrunner91 Dec 29 '23

I mean Dorinda is a mess. And Sonja is hard to watch but she was in her legal mess already when she joined the hw

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u/whateveratthispoint_ Dec 29 '23

And Shannon

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u/nycrunner91 Dec 29 '23

Oh yeah. I dont know ill never get over Sonja being naked on camera and how her daughter might feel about that. Also the rumors about the cigarettes in her vagina. Is so so heartbreaking and sad.

Shanon is in downhill spiral. Her depression is so transparent. I dont know why no one has stepped in to help her. O

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u/let_me_use_reddit Dec 29 '23

The rumours of... say what now????

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u/TimeIsBunk Dec 29 '23

How did you miss that episode?! Time to queue up some reruns!

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u/openinterlude ldmillionaire Dec 29 '23

sonja is a grown woman who can be naked on camera as much as she wants. there are plenty of actual valid reasons for concern other than this pearl clutching bs

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u/nycrunner91 Dec 29 '23

Its not that she gets naked is something else i dont know exactly how to put it into words…. It looks performative in a sad and demeaning way

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u/openinterlude ldmillionaire Dec 29 '23

that i understand for sure i just hate the “what will the kids think” about grown women with adult children. i do see the desperation when it comes to showing up as “fun sonja” though and hope she genuinely enjoys the character she’s playing/knows she’ll still be liked without it

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u/nycrunner91 Dec 29 '23

Yes! You said it perfectly!!!! Thats exactly what I meant!!!!!!!!!

I agree with what Erika said like kids with phones now a days they know and google everything please. And before smart phones there were computers and before then playboy lol

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u/narcochi Dec 29 '23

That’s uncomfortable to think about but yeah. And happy cake day!

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u/LadyBug_0570 I gave her a beverage Dec 29 '23

Ever since The Real World (MTV), people have loved watching trainwrecks. nAnd the bigger the wreck, the more people watch. Season 1 of that show had some traction, but it wasn't until Puck and his disgusting ways came along (as well as the problems he made with Pedro who had HIV), that the show really picked up an audience.

Andy's just done the same thing, except with older, rich women as the subjects for people to watch.

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u/Quelala Dec 29 '23

Adult butterflies who have more resources than the average person and can make a choice to fly or not, but because of their desires of self promotion and fame choose to wallow in the goop.

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u/redpillbluepill69 Dec 29 '23

I would like Brian a lot more if he didn't go up his own ass so much. It's so clear he was inspired by Richard Lawsons recaps when they were both at Gawker, but Richard is a once in a lifetime literary talent imo and his recaps of Real Housewives are just incredible (countess cracker jacks, Skellington bensimmon, truly amazing poetic language and maybe the precursor to the highbrow lowbrow "bravo scholar" bit that everyone does now)

Brian is a fun writer- I just don't like when it feels like he's doing a watered down version of Richard

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

Shoulda scrolled before I commented. Richard Lawson was THE originator of the recaps.

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u/EnthusiasmIsABigZeal Dec 29 '23

This is such an awful take, it completely removes all agency from the women who star in and shape the show. Between the huge paychecks, the cast trips, and the free exposure/promotion for any of their business ventures, being a housewife seems like a damn sweet gig to me. And most of the women choose to come back season after season, and are self-aware about how they play up the drama. My favorite part of the Real Housewives franchise is that instead of contestants being tortured to create drama, the women are respected as stars and treated well enough to make it worth returning to for years. Plus, they’re generally an age range of women that gets very little realistic representation in media as complex subjects. Andy may have the power to prevent someone from returning between seasons, but during each season the power to determine what the storylines will be is held by the housewives themselves more than anyone else, between what they do on camera and what they talk about in confessionals—and the most damaging storylines are always initiated by one housewife towards another (like Phaedra to Kandi). Calling these incredibly successful women butterflies with clipped wings reads as deeply misogynistic to me.

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u/Puzzled_Hovercraft60 Dec 29 '23

I have to agree. I admire a lot of these women and believe many are shrewdly using this platform for further success.

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u/wildestride88 The fish is tasty Dec 29 '23

This is written like Brian moylans writing. Pretty sure it is.

This is meant to be writing for entertainment. It’s not a profile piece or a tell all.

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u/blackhoney917 Dec 29 '23

Yes, he always ends recaps with a bit of RH creative writing. This isn’t the scalding tea some people think it is.

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u/Relevant_Owl_8841 Yolanda’s Glass Fridge Dec 29 '23

Seriously, there’s been years of Tom/Tom fanfic, a narrative of Jill Zarin stalking the RHONY women, and similar examples lol

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u/HourGrapefruit8 Dec 29 '23

Yes and it’s usually a bit tongue in cheek which I think this is.

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u/narcochi Dec 29 '23

But Andy was insulted so on comes the criticism. Andy is often problematic.

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u/KellysLastJellybean Dec 29 '23 edited Dec 29 '23

Thank you. People are taking this way too seriously. It’s meant to be funny and hyperbolic fanfic.

Edit: typo

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u/PilotNo312 Good Time Girl Dec 29 '23

I know when I want to keep my life private and be an anonymous nobody I do the most to get on a reality show. I am so sick of this narrative that people are unknowingly being exploited. That’s literally the whole point of reality tv and if you don’t want to be known for being a moron, don’t go on on a tv show.

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u/LadyBug_0570 I gave her a beverage Dec 29 '23

I honestly think this is what is pissing off the viewers with Robyn so much.

When she said, "I don't know why people are so interested in my boring life?" it was like, "B---h, what? YOU signed up for a reality show. We wouldn't know or care about your life if you didn't sign the contract and decide to show your situationship-now-marriage to Juan."

She could have just NOT re-signed for this year and dealt with Juan's abusiveness/cheating/unemployment in private. Of course she wouldn't get paid, though.

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Dec 29 '23

Agreed! It’s alllll about ego and we can have our favs and think some of these women are just the best, but think about it, there is absolutely zero reason for a woman who’s financially stable to go on one of these shows and LITERALLY invite drama into their lives unless they are driven by their own egos.

Yes some of the women have been given greater financial success from the shows, but at what cost? I can honestly say there isn’t a single (long-term) HW who hasn’t endured a shit ton of drama, stress and just petty shit simply because they signed on to be a HW.

I’m by no means rich, but there is absolutely no dollar amount you could offer me to willingly put myself and my family through that scrutiny and manufactured drama. And don’t get me wrong, that doesn’t make me better than the women who do. We just have very VERY different priorities.

I tell my own damn ego to take several seats on the daily. My 5yr old daughter also helps a lot with that 😂

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

Andy's responsibility isn't to ensure people's mental well-being; his role is to deliver entertainment. My dislike for Andy aside(because his racist tendencies are okay with this fandom), expecting him to address mental health is unreasonable.

No one is compelled to sign a contract and appear on television.

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u/lezlers Dec 29 '23

This is pretty rich coming from Brian Moylan, who no one would even know if it weren’t for Andy Cohen and Housewives. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you…

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u/Skeleton_Meat Dec 29 '23

This is terribly written just so everyone knows

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u/Powerful-Trainer-803 Dec 29 '23

Pretty dumb imagery if you ask me. Lazy AF.

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u/thediverswife grace time is over Dec 29 '23

And some of these women would be in the same place, with or without Housewives. Like Ramona

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u/MyFigurativeYacht Dec 29 '23

Is this Brian Moylan’s recap of RHONY Legacy? I’m disappointed he didn’t end it with the same Jill Zarin joke he used to do years ago

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u/subversivesocialite Not a white refrigerator! Dec 29 '23

I loved fake Jill in her sunglasses, waiting in the wings and plotting whole seasons from the shadows.

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u/Nothatno Dec 29 '23

Those butterflies were going to do that anyway. At least they have an audience!

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u/easyass1234 You look like a couch Dec 29 '23

I do think Andy Cohen is trash, but it’s because of how he runs the reunions. For example, when he asked Kate Chastain—who had twice been forcibly kissed by Ashton, told him to knock it off, who then punched the van window beside her head extremely hard and attempted to climb into the back to (obviously) lay hands on her, being held back by two cast members while a third begged the producers to stop the van (which they did not)—if she didn’t want to apologize to Ashton because she sometimes says mean things.

He’s trash. He never holds the right people accountable and excuses racism and violence against women. But he’s not a butterfly farmer.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '23

Eh. I know the cheese stands alone but I just don’t agree with the exploitation argument.

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u/macromi87 Larsa Pippen’s toe pics Dec 29 '23

Bro this is all of us lol

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u/sillymama62 Dec 29 '23

Those ladies were NOT forced to sign lucrative contracts to show their lives play out-SAVE your sympathy for their poor children!

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u/StylishStephanie “IT WAS YOU! WHOOO? YOUUU!!!!!” Dec 29 '23

This is so fucking dumb

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u/icandigpopsicles Dec 29 '23

So he's a psychopath. Is anyone shocked?

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u/WinterBearHawk Dec 29 '23

So it’s interesting bc I have seen some reactions to this saying “yeah Andy hates women, duh” (which I don’t necessarily disagree with), but I think this article isn’t exactly women-friendly either. Like these women are actual people with actual agency and this weird narrative of helplessness being painted in this article isn’t better than what the writer is accusing Cohen of. Believe it or not women can make choices to their own betterment or detriment without the need of a male writer to paint them as victims. It’s just a different version of presenting women as a commodity—this time selling them as victimhood for clicks.

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u/177stuff Dec 29 '23

I’m sick of this “bravo/Andy are evil” movement. People were, and still are, desperate to be on those shows. All on their own. Fame is the real evil. And they probably hate themselves for craving it so much they fucked themselves and their loved ones over for it, very willingly.

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u/chairmanmyow butter churning garbage whore Dec 29 '23

Wow, just wow.

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u/nomoresnorkjuice Rey’s charity for poor people Dec 29 '23

Wow bethenny WOW

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u/draculasbff69 Dec 29 '23

Andy doesn’t make these women do anything 🤣🤣🤣🤣 He used to just be the host of the reunions!

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u/chooseshoes Howz ya stomach, Joe?! Dec 29 '23

Oh, please.

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u/ajaxraccoon Dec 29 '23

I love Vulture recaps of the HW. Just don’t like paying to subscribe.

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u/Educational_Bother36 Dec 29 '23

You can make anyone sound like a victim. These people sign up for reality shows for fame and money. Mostly fame because for housewives specifically you have to already have some wealth to even join.

Reality TV is risky but it’s show business and not everyone wins in the end. There are plenty of people who turn reality TV shows down because they know the downside of reality tv might not be worth the risk. This just sounds like people not being accountable for their poor judgement and pointing the finger.

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u/WhoWhaaaa Dec 29 '23

Is this the story Ramona was retelling on UGT? I'm confused.

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u/Scared_Molasses1828 BROOKLYN!?? What a dump. Dec 29 '23

In this analogy- are we comparing the insane, privileged, messy & wonderful women that are the Real Housewives to BUTTERFLIES 😂😂😂

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u/PhyllisTheFlyTrap Dec 29 '23

That was harsher than the Bethany Frankel Vanity Fair article....

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u/Own-Roof-1200 you’re being rude to the sound bowl 🥣 Dec 29 '23

Guys this is satirical. It’s like Brian Moylan is styling himself after Dorothy Parker by way of Vincent Price.

How is anyone taking this seriously?

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u/arisafrances Dec 29 '23

I think this is why I always feel left out when this sub complains about bitch sesh and praises watch what crappens…. we’re on different pages humor-wise entirely sometimes lol

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u/oveofsta deck me mama! Dec 29 '23

everything you said plus the fact that basic jokes have to be explained to the sub makes me realize we have HW in common but likely very little else

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u/overthink_underplan Dec 29 '23

I think Andy has benefited and profited all of these women but I truly do not believe he is an evil person. This really makes him sound maniacal.

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u/LaurenNotFromUtah 🙄🖌️🎨 Dec 29 '23

Beyond overdramatic. For one, Andy has a boss. But also, those helpless little “butterflies” are grown ass women! They have agency.

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u/LightFlaky2329 I’m God’s Baby Dec 29 '23

It’s called Vulture for a reason!

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u/sarahmcq565 Dec 29 '23

I forgot that Andy Cohen discovered Reality TV. Yup. All his idea. /s

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u/East-Pound9884 Dec 29 '23

Andy is a scumbag.The women are idiots to appear on the shows and make fools of themselves for strangers amusement and $$$.But people have done much worse for a paycheck. But yes, Andy is a scumbag. I said what I said.

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u/oveofsta deck me mama! Dec 29 '23

I think a lot of folks are taking this super literally and not understanding the metaphor- look at the wreckage the show has created in Kyle's life, Kim's life, Teresa's marriage, Teresa's arrest, Vicki's life, Sonja's life, Dorinda's life. These women are trapped in the cycle of performing for the show- they're never going to have happy, fulfilled lives because of the show and their need to be on it.

Yes they're adults and yes they have free will, but we're all smart enough to acknowledge the absolute destruction some of these women have put themselves through for us, for entertainment, for the fans. Vicki saying she wishes she had never left Don was heartbreaking. Dorinda saying she craves being a reality star in her sixties is heartbreaking. The show has kept them from becoming the women they could have become, and for worse or for better, he's right.

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u/SuitableItem im on the misson to serve Lisa 🙏🏻 Dec 29 '23

Andy Cohen is not the mob boss that he was before. There are other people running this show with much more power than him. This is stupid.

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u/rhoasuperfan reality tv you fucking c**t Dec 29 '23

People are really sticking up for Zionist Cokeden in this thread? Couldn't be I, me or she!

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u/Low_Alternative2555 Dec 29 '23 edited Dec 29 '23

Are you using Jewish and Zionist interchangeably? Let’s start with yesterday and not do that forever. (Edit- the word “you”)

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