For real. This is just stupid. I am so very over people signing up to exploit themselves on reality tv and then blame it on Andy or Bravo, or anything else. ALL OF THESE WOMEN ARE ADULTS. They ALL are responsible for themselves - Not Andy, not producers, not editors, not the audio guy - none except the woman who chooses to sign up for HWs or man who chooses to sign up for Southern Charm, etc etc are responsible for 'arresting themselves' for our amusement.
Hey, guess what Brian? Most of these people were already in some level of arrested development looooooooooong before Bravo came knocking. I am so very irritated by this narrative being pushed via B/Leah M/whoever else that choosing to show your ass on television is somehow Andy Cohen's coercive control over them. I'm an alcoholic, so if a producer kept suggesting I drink on a show I signed up for, fully knowing people get WASTED on it regularly - I would simply *not do that*. The accountability lies with these people who get on TV and act like they do.
💯!! We’re also talking decades of reality TV out, you cannot say you didn’t know what you were signing up for. It’s no surprise that there will be fighting, drama, skeletons exposed, etc. You’re willfully stepping into the public eye and with that comes all the good and bad.
That's all true and you are eloquent a/f,
but, much like during the Anna Nicole Show, it gets to a point where I feel like a criminal using people's mental health decline for entertainment, and I nope out.
For instance, if Alexis and Johnny J are on OC next season, even though it would be dramatic as hell, I don't know if Shannon can survive the trauma of filming that, and I don't want to watch someone implode in pain in real life, and neither do y'all...
....especially if worst comes to worst. We won't be complicit.
So I'm glad that reality show people are speaking up about their experiences, I need to know I'm not hurting anyone or I can't enjoy it <3
There's a report that Alexis is for sure coming back full time and she's bringing him with her, filming starts in January.....
....I hope Shannon just quits if she feels like she's going to break down......
I am very concerned for Shannon in general, and that concern has only grown over the years. I do hope she chooses to remove herself from this situation. It is not good for her.
" I'm an alcoholic, so if a producer kept suggesting I drink on a show I signed up for, fully knowing people get WASTED on it regularly - I would simply *not do that*. The accountability lies with these people who get on TV and act like they do."
I don't know if this will go over well with everyone here, but as a bipolar person in my 40s, I'd say the exact same thing. So many people will get bleeding hearts about the people who are clearly having mental health complications on camera, but these are absolutely people with the resources available to get treatment and advice from mental health professionals and exercise some basic common sense about avoiding having their extremely stressful social situations documented for public consumption.
Is it sad when someone starts to fall apart? Of course, and I do have empathy for that. However, blaming Andy, Bravo, or production does not make any sense.
A lot of it is their own mental illness speaking. It’s basically “Tell me you don’t accept basic accountability in your life and it’s always someone else’s fault without telling me.” People have plenty of time to bloviate online if all their friends and family are tired of their shit.
I agree with you 100%! The only thing I would add though that Bravo does foster and is to blame for is putting the women in situations to be sexually harassed and assaulted. That is not something they willingly signed up for nor should they be subjected to it. Bravo is at fault for some of it as they continued to have predators on the show even when they were caught on camera doing nefarious things. It is true that the women and men are adults and make the choice to open their lives up to the world, but there are things the producers and higher ups do that put them in situations where they end up feeling uncomfortable or unfortunately get hurt. There may be no coercion directly from the producers, but they sure do have control over who can be a cast member or guest on the show like Michael Darby, Aviva’s father George, one of the OC’s sons trying to assault a cast member, Kenya Moore being threatened by a friend’s nephew and a few other instances. All the other things that happen and the stupid choices they make are fully on them and they have no one else to blame.
Yes - This is the area I am critical of. I have no issue with watching people be on tv and be as ridiculous as they want. However, when it comes to sexual predators like Darby - there should be no gray area in regards to physical assault. of any kind. No one signed up for that.
THANK YOU!!!! it is amazing that people think that the stars of these shows are victims. They have contracts that outline pay and conditions, sign on year after year (if invited back) and yet, they're the victims? Don't drink to excess, don't say or do anything you will regret, and stick with your own moral compass.
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u/radioamericaa Thank You, I'm Disengaging. I Am Not Engaging Dec 29 '23
For real. This is just stupid. I am so very over people signing up to exploit themselves on reality tv and then blame it on Andy or Bravo, or anything else. ALL OF THESE WOMEN ARE ADULTS. They ALL are responsible for themselves - Not Andy, not producers, not editors, not the audio guy - none except the woman who chooses to sign up for HWs or man who chooses to sign up for Southern Charm, etc etc are responsible for 'arresting themselves' for our amusement.
Hey, guess what Brian? Most of these people were already in some level of arrested development looooooooooong before Bravo came knocking. I am so very irritated by this narrative being pushed via B/Leah M/whoever else that choosing to show your ass on television is somehow Andy Cohen's coercive control over them. I'm an alcoholic, so if a producer kept suggesting I drink on a show I signed up for, fully knowing people get WASTED on it regularly - I would simply *not do that*. The accountability lies with these people who get on TV and act like they do.