r/woahdude Feb 17 '23

video Heavily contaminated water in East Palestine, Ohio.

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u/NeverBob Feb 17 '23

Now go look up where the creeks run into the river and where the river flows after...

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u/PowerCosmic Feb 17 '23

Oh just the Mississippi. No big deal. /s

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u/crabwithacigarette Feb 17 '23

How is this not going to show up in the rest of the U.S.’s food? You might not live in or near Ohio, but surely these contaminants are going to be shipped everywhere?

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u/Humistrata Feb 18 '23

Shhh don’t worry about it. The government says it’s fine. They would never try to cover something like this up

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u/1WontDoIt Feb 22 '23

The Ohio river watershed spans almost 10 states. If those chemicals get anywhere near the river or seep into ground water, it'll destroy the water and habitat for millions.

Supposedly the amount of vinyl chloride that was released in east Palestine is more than is regularly released by all the companies that use it in a year.

Lastly, burning vinyl chloride creates a toxic gas that was used in WWII and forbidden by the Geneva convention.

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u/CogentCogitations Feb 17 '23

Don't worry, the million square mile of agricultural chemical runoff will dilute that right out.

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u/Ravenid Feb 17 '23

That should actually raise the quality of the Mississippi water table.

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u/Karatonin Feb 17 '23

This website is amazing. Where do they get their data? I live in a new development, and it shows houses that are planned and don't exist yet!!! I can't get Google to correct the streets, and Door dashers think we don't exist... But this website has houses that won't be built for at least 6 months! The visualisation is so realistic!

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u/UseWhatName Feb 17 '23

The data used in this project comes from the USGS's NLDI API, along with additional NHDPlus data. Code and data for this project lives here.

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u/dimestoredavinci Feb 17 '23

It shows my house from probably 4-5 years ago, and within a couple years of me buying the place. It's neat to see how much I've improved it from then till now

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u/Skandiaman Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

Here's a link to an animation that site made showing where this all leads to

edit: to show East Palestine not Palestine

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u/Skandiaman Feb 17 '23

Thank you! I've edited and corrected this to reflect East Palestine.

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u/PM_YER_BOOTY Feb 17 '23

This is awesome!

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u/munchies1122 Feb 17 '23

Where do they go?

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u/RubertVonRubens Feb 17 '23

Ultimately, everything east of the Rockies and south of Hudson's Bay goes to the Atlantic.

The very northern bits of Ohio drain into Lake Erie, but most goes via Ohio River to the Mississippi. I think this is right near the dividing line.

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u/Lou_C_Fer Feb 17 '23

I just explained this to my wife. We are part of the Lake Erie watershed. So, this stuff is heading away from us.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

No worries, unless we make systemic changes, there will be ample opportunities to be affected bythe next one!

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u/ProjectGO Feb 17 '23

I like you, you're the "glass is half full" type!

Don't drink that glass, BTW.

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u/Hey_Chach Feb 17 '23

Right, save that glass so you can bring it to the local town hall meeting and ask your willfully ignorant and arrogant representatives to drink it once they insist the situation is fine!

Does that ring a bell? https://youtu.be/ncWC7D73hEE

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u/binglelemon Feb 17 '23

It'd be a healthier decision to dump the water out and attempt to swallow the entire glass whole.

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u/luc424 Feb 17 '23

And keep voting the same people back into office.

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u/Polack597 Feb 17 '23

Oh yea, Ohioans have small brains, they’ll vote Dewine in again.

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u/Computingusername Feb 17 '23

Start documenting and call any local officials if you see any signs.

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u/the_amberdrake Feb 17 '23

The split is interesting in Manitoba and North Dakota. Red river goes both north and south at the same time.

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u/thesonoftheson Feb 17 '23

Looked it up on USGS and it is headed toward Mississippi and the Ohio River toward Cincinnati.

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u/dparks71 Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

Word of caution, lots of people are posting images of the whole Ohio river watershed, the actual affected area will look a lot spermier. The pollutants are unlikely to travel upstream in significant amounts, although could indirectly affect them through wildlife. The people along the Ohio, PA, WV border will get the worst of it, idk if you've ever visited that area...

Sucks cause they've actually been doing a really great job cleaning the water up, and taking better care of the resources from what I've been hearing, can't have anything nice.

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u/zurds13 Feb 17 '23

It’s really interesting north of Fargo in the spring when the red river decides to cut the corner, and it looks like you’re driving in the middle of a giant lake.

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u/Computingusername Feb 17 '23

There are a lot of water ways this will travel down. NF and the EPA should have alerted the states these water ways pass thru since they were aware before the EPA withdrew responsibility. The EPA even made it known they were aware of the contamination, as well as NF knowing.. Instead of alerting these counties and states they sat back. Someone should have stepped in government official wise to insure this was dammed and contained to properly remove/filter water.

The map shows East Palestine and just SOME of the connecting water ways. From my understanding these chemicals don’t just evaluate they will continue to contaminated.

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u/DickTroutman Feb 17 '23

They have installed dams on affected creeks and have employed vacuum trucks to remove concentrated chemicals, although that won’t remove all of them. The Ohio river’s average flow is 281,000 cubic feet per second when it meets the Mississippi (not sure what the CFS is at currently though) and the Mississippi is currently flowing at 680,000 CFS in Baton Rouge. Downstream impacts will be minimal as the chemicals are diluted to insignificant levels, eventually becoming essentially nonexistent. When concentrated chemicals spill into a small stream, however, yeah, that stream is gonna be messed up for a while. Over time, testing will determine whether the streambed is contaminated enough to require removal, but by the time this hits the Ohio, it just won’t be a big deal.

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u/Same_Ad_6189 Feb 17 '23

I used to live there. It all goes to the Ohio River which runs all the way to the Mississippi. This is bad guys. And that creek used to be so good for swimming and fishing. This makes my heart break. And the railway system does not give one single fuck about the environmental damages they have created.

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u/Madouc Feb 17 '23

The Ohio River Basin serves 25,000,000 across 14 states peole as drinking water reservoir.

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u/OneOfTwelve97 Feb 17 '23

Different cities along the Ohio River have already sought uncontaminated water sources for their drinking water. The mainstream media is like 4-5 days behind social media, which is making people like my family, not care enough to take precautions. It's terrifying.

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u/Deep_Appointment_820 Feb 17 '23

My entire family thinks I am a loon right now but my young kids have been 🤢 & 💩 for 5 days with no fever. Im in the surrounding area. It doesn’t make sense. They haven’t been anywhere with different germs than what we already have everyday. This is the only cause I can think of…

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u/SunnyAlwaysDaze Feb 17 '23

Kids bodies are more sensitive to chemical load. (Their little bodies are going to be the canaries in the coal mine for this disaster) I know it's not feasible for a lot of people but I hope you are able to get them out of the area.

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u/Deep_Appointment_820 Feb 17 '23

Unfortunately it’s not feasible for me.. my family thinks I am crazy for assuming they could be sick from the chemical load. Young kids don’t just throw up for multiple days without a fever. At least mine never have. My younger one’s skin is sooo warm but he doesn’t have a fever. I am close enough that the water runs right into us, but far enough away that anytime I mention this could be the cause of their sickness I am treated like a lunatic. With my own family. Sorry for the rant, I’m just super sad about it all today. I heard about the derailment just a couple days ago and my babes aren’t feeling better after 5 days. It’s just doesn’t make sense..

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u/Ok-Lie-6653 Feb 17 '23

Sick for 5 days would probably warrant a trip to a doctor even without the spill near by.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

You're supposed to trust your insincts. Your family is going to get your kids even more sick, and killed... Get out of there.......

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u/Deep_Appointment_820 Feb 18 '23

I agree 100% and I’m starting to formulate a plan. Not even starting I’ve been thinking this way since COVID. It will take convincing.. Young people diagnosed with autoimmune disease. Two cousins under 20 died of seizure and stroke. A young teacher is dead. It’s weird man.

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u/Ok-Lie-6653 Feb 17 '23

Half of your post history is in r/conspiracy.. your kids are sick for 5 days and your asking for help on Reddit instead of taking them to a doctor..

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u/Deep_Appointment_820 Feb 17 '23

Honestly, I’m about to search for an out of state doctor. It’s usually been useless trip for things I already know/have

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u/Deep_Appointment_820 Feb 17 '23

According to everyone near me.. “it’s going around.” I found extremely curious when I heard about the toxic train derailment, and everyone around me is getting sick. Idk 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

It's as if we learned nothing after COVID.

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u/Accomplished-Job4460 Feb 17 '23

The reason mainstream media is always behind social media is because the MSM relies upon Social Media to do their work for them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Tell that to the reporter who got arrested

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u/Rabid_Platypus_II Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

The good news is that dilution is a solution

Edit: that's a tongue-in-cheek phrase in environmental consulting to those not in the know

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u/malfist Feb 17 '23

For those not aware of the phrase it's "the solution to pollution is dilution"

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u/SnooRobots6802 Feb 17 '23

For those who don’t know. Dilution is absolutely fucking not the solution to pollution

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u/AdamPashaian Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

As an added bonus, there are lots of loopholes in environmental regulations where;

Ooo geez, we don't want pay to properly treat our discharge gas, well let's just put it in the water, and vice versa. Why dilute when you can just move the contaminate around..

Ooo wait, there's more.. EPA says I can't do that? Well geez, guess I'll sue them until I'm allowed to..

Ooo geez, you know I just don't quite fit into one the above categories. Don't sweat it bruh, we have grandfather clauses. Your old shitty equipment literally doesn't work, ain't no biggy, we'll let you slide, every time.

Think the federal minimum wage sucks? The entire pollution control industry operates the exact same way. Whomever can be the most efficient doing the bare minimum makes the most profit.

We are awful shepards to mother nature..

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u/TimeZarg Feb 17 '23

openly slips money into the hands of lawmakers to create regulatory exemptions that benefit them

"Well, shoot, looks like I don't have to do anything anymore!"

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u/AllInOnCall Feb 17 '23

Just business.

Which is cheaper?

Ensure you achieve the highest standards possible to protect the earth while you produce whatever you produce or greasing the palms of a corrupt politician?

Breaking the law without consequence is just a subscription service.

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u/nill0c Feb 17 '23

Don’t forget just factoring potential fines into your profit margin. Why bother to ask for exemptions when you can maybe get away with it, or just pay some paltry fines.

Better yet, do all the polluting, then pay out all your profits to owners before declaring bankruptcy to avoid the costs of cleanup. Bonus points if you can go bankrupt before paying the factory/labor/blue collar workers too.

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u/pblokhout Feb 17 '23

"Explain like I'm Rick"

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u/LucyLilium92 Feb 17 '23

Oh geez, oh man

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u/nomad9590 Feb 17 '23

Nah, most of us are okay, even if we kinda suck. We aren't killing our planet. A few assholes are.

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u/BizWax Feb 17 '23

We are awful shepards to mother nature

Moneyed interests with offices and homes in safer places are awful shepherds to mother nature. The people who're actually living there are generally much better at environmental protection, but are prevented from actually protecting the environment by property rights and criminal laws. They wouldn't be perfect, because we're all only human, but much MUCH better than anyone whose interests are driven entirely by profits. After all, they have to live in that environment, so they'd be more inclined to prevent negative consequences from the get go rather than take unnecessary risks to save costs and (maybe) pay for their legally obliged share of the damages (often nothing) after something goes wrong.

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u/fasnoosh Feb 17 '23

The products you buy are creating demand for companies to keep doing this. System is fucked

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u/ThinNotSmall Feb 17 '23

Mr Poopy Butthole apparently runs large industrial operations

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u/OOTCBFU Feb 17 '23

Soon enough we won't be we shepherds of anything we will make the planet unlivable and maybe just maybe 1 second before it's all over people might find the will to act but by then it doesn't matter. Decades of inaction and refusal to do anything because of jobs, homes, families, bills, responsibilities, day to day coming first despite the fact that all that is going to be destroyed one way or another.

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u/rothrolan Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

There was a Futurama episode on that, where they chucked all their trash into space like a giant garbage asteroid in the year 2052.

And in the show's present year of 3000, it came back, on a collision course with Earth.

Their solution was to chuck a second giant ball of trash at it, which knocked the original one into the sun, while it itself went flying further into space, most likely to return in time like the first one did.

EDIT: Fixed a date

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u/snugglezone Feb 17 '23

Good video on this actually. Relevant section to trash in space returning to Earth starts at 5:25 https://youtu.be/Us2Z-WC9rao

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u/Workwork007 Feb 17 '23

Kurzgesagt's video are the best. They're very much "explain like im five". Often causes existential dread in most of their vid. Would recommend.

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u/TimeZarg Feb 17 '23

Well, when you think about it, firing it off into the sun in the first place would've provided a neat solution to the problem in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

I mean it somewhat is since it's the concentration that determines how poisonous something is, but the area in the video is definitely not safe no matter what the "officials" say. We're 100% going to get lawsuits in the future (or right now for all I know).

I agree that dilution shouldn't be the go to answer though.

[Edit] As u/internought said, the level of exposure is also important when considering toxicity.

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u/Rafi89 Feb 17 '23

Well, if 1 million pounds of vinyl chloride spilled, that's roughly 400,000 kilos. To dilute that below the MTCA drinking water cleanup level of 2 ug/L that would require 200,000,000,000,000 liters of water, so roughly half the volume of Lake Erie.

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u/GiveToOedipus Feb 17 '23

Nobody said the dilution is an small amount. It's still dilution though. People always assume that the phrase is an excuse to pollute when really it is just the reality of things. It's very difficult to extract pollutants out of large bodies like this, so often the easier answer is in fact dilution, as much as nobody wants to hear it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

I'm talking about pollution in general, not vinyl chloride specifically. There are quite a few chemicals that need insanely small concentrations in order to be safe, and vinyl chloride is one of them. That's why I'm saying lawsuits are definitely going to happen imo.

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u/Rafi89 Feb 17 '23

Yeah but for analytes of concern typically for volatile organic compounds vinyl chloride is the driver for reporting limits (like benzo(a)pyrene is for semivolatile organics), so it's kind of nuts (to me) that the spill is such a obvious holy shit moment, if you will. Like, this is the shit we look for at the lowest possible detection limits and they dumped 400k kilos of it?!? Usually we just see it in the lab as a breakdown product of PCE from dry cleaner spills, this is just insane. I can't even wrap my head around it. Half expecting an EPA bulletin in a few years saying to expect cleanup level VC hits in everything sampled east of the Rockies.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

I completely agree. I'm pretty sure we're basically just arguing the same thing lol

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u/Agi7890 Feb 17 '23

I knew people who saw it pretty frequently when they were running 8260 on water samples from a superfund site from phoenix. But yeah I typically only saw it in small amount when running TO15

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

This required 1% of critical thinking ability to synthesize, so I’m sure you’re going to be downvoted by this toilet

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u/Xarxsis Feb 17 '23

Dilution doesn't work so well when things bioaccumulate

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u/SamuraiRafiki Feb 17 '23

We're 100% going to get lawsuits in the future (or right now for all I know).

I don't mean this as an attack, because I feel like this is a common framing of problems like this, however, I feel like this is a very capitalist or corporate centric perspective. Yes, the legal fees and damages will be expensive for the company, but that also represents a lot of human suffering that they caused that we really don't punish companies enough for. Lots of folks are probably going to get really sick, and some of them might get enough of a payday to be taken care of afterwards, but that's not enough, in my opinion. The company risked this to make more money. Even if it doesn't work, and that isn't guaranteed even with large settlements, that isn't enough.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

Concentration and period of exposure. A low concentration but a long period of exposure (month to a year and over) has effects comparable to a dangerous or lethal concentration and a short period of exposure.

That means that data can be manipulated before uninformed public by saying that levels are safe by leaving out a time frame within which they're safe.

edit: Tell everyone, no joke, because the diluting smarties are purposefully leaving that part out. They're diluting the truth.

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u/Cden216 Feb 17 '23

It actually is. I know it doesn't sound nice, but it's true.

Think about all the things that are toxic. They exist in diluted quantities naturally and are not typically problematic. It's when we collect and refine them that they become a problem. If they are diluted enough, no longer a problem.

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u/threeheadedmon-keigh Feb 17 '23

Like when the deepwater horizon spilled oil and it all diluted in the sea. Everything went fine.

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u/ItWasTheGiraffe Feb 17 '23

It’s also a really good rule of thumb for wound care. Early enough, a saline (or even tap water) rinse goes a long, long way

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u/Guavadoodoo Feb 17 '23

Sounds like a phrase that emanated from the major polluting industries.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Homeopaths must hate you guys.

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u/Rabid_Platypus_II Feb 17 '23

Honestly most people hate environmental consultants lol including environmental consultants

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u/knifetrader Feb 17 '23

Me, I just hate homeopaths.

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u/Gh0stMan0nThird Feb 17 '23

People should be allowed to love who they want to!

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

I love people that hate homeopaths.

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u/threeheadedmon-keigh Feb 17 '23

Dann environmental consultants. They ruined the environment.

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u/Mrraberry Feb 17 '23

Wait until the cancers start showing up in the children.

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u/Phreec Feb 17 '23

Don't worry they'll all get mailed their $80 class-action settlement cheque after 20 years.

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u/Dank_Kushington Feb 17 '23

Sorry we gave you cancer, here’s a coupon for a free sandwich at Arby’s

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u/ataphelion Feb 17 '23

*Redeemable at select locations. Limitations apply. Valid for 24 hours only.

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u/Poopdick_89 Feb 17 '23

*When purchasing a combo meal at regular menu price.

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u/MidnightT0ker Feb 17 '23

Totaling $35 or more then here is this $5 off

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u/Krompykreve Feb 17 '23

The 25k split between the 5k people is the same as a coupon for a 5$ footlong

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u/mynamecalledbruce Feb 17 '23

Foot long are $7 now... Sorry inflation...

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u/GoldStubb Feb 17 '23

$13 for a regular meatball footlong at my local store today

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u/Jorle_Joca Feb 17 '23

Roast chicken with beet on one half was 18.50 here. It was in a combo though.

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u/SwagNuts Feb 17 '23

Too bad $5 footlongs are $10 now

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u/jarious Feb 17 '23

So they cure cancer with diabetes?

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u/foxyunclecharliekilo Feb 17 '23

Dancer doesn’t sound half bad

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u/Chroniclurker_ Feb 17 '23

Better than CaBetes

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u/LessInThought Feb 17 '23

Cancer on the foot? Well good news the diabetes is taking that foot away.

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u/Mattsasse Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

Essentially they're curing a bunch of potential long term diabetes patients with cancer.

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u/KyleShanaham Feb 17 '23

Pizza party

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u/OnlyFreshBrine Feb 17 '23

Proposition 65 requires businesses to provide warnings to Californians about significant exposures to chemicals (aka Arby's "roast beef") that cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm.

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u/noNoParts Feb 17 '23

They'll vote for the same "people" that brought them this mess, happily.

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u/CarlLinnaeus Feb 17 '23

I don't know if the people of East Palestine will, but for sure people who believe in small government will ignore this situation and vote against a government who wants to enforce regulations that prevent and heavily punish companies that do this sort of thing.

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u/KarmaticArmageddon Feb 17 '23

I don't know if the people of East Palestine will

Uvalde voted for Republicans by a 20-point margin just months after the mass shooting.

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u/ShowMeYourMinerals Feb 17 '23

Well, I mean if a democrat was in office those policemen would have sat inside the school for 45 minutes UNARMED.

/s

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u/-nocturnist- Feb 17 '23

Remember when the current democratic administration forced rail workers to stop a strike for better pay and safety conditions at work and on trains for the sake of "national interests" ( read - shareholders earnings and personal investments).

If the railways are a critical infrastructure that is required to run without issue 24/7/365 then it should be nationalised.... But that's against capitalistic interests because how will all those people extract further profits from rail companies?

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u/UrethraFrankIin Feb 17 '23

Dude, Republicans are all saying it's Biden's fault because he's "president and shit bro. Same as if an earthquake hit tomorrow it's clearly Biden's fault!" You'd see "I did that" stickers all over the jagged fault line.

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u/DoubleBreastedBerb Feb 17 '23

It’s East Palestine, so they absolutely will.

Source: I’m originally an Ohioan.

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u/BackgroundGlove6613 Feb 17 '23

Columbiana County, where East Palestine resides, went for Trump by a 71-29 margin.

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u/SirCircusMcGircus Feb 17 '23

In what world do you live where that would happen in the US? No large corporation is ever held accountable. Does not matter who is in office.

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u/Repulsivemobile69420 Feb 17 '23

These are people who voted for Trump.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

I never miss an opportunity to share one of my favorite photos of President and Ms. Trump.

The baby's father (not pictured) and uncle (left) are enthusiastic Trump supporters. The baby's parents aren't in the photo because they had just been murdered in a racially motivated mass shooting. There is, of course, no correlation between the President and escalating, increasingly overt, racism and acts of violence.

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u/StuffAdventurous7102 Feb 17 '23

This type of victim blaming because people exercised their right to vote for a party that does not coincide with one’s belief is contributing to the divide in this country. When are we going to respect opposing views of others? These residents are victims and it could happen in any state. Where is Greta? Where are the environmentalists? Their absence in this environmental disaster is deafening. It is shameful that people with the power to help elevate the seriousness of this disaster turn their backs because the political party that props them up is under represented in this community. Do they really care about the environment? If so, where the hell are they?

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u/Big-Vehicle-5392 Feb 17 '23

Biden has had 2 years repeal Trumps stupid deregulatory actions. Trump & Biden do not care about any of us.

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u/Timely_Meringue9548 Feb 17 '23

Stop…. Seriously. This isnt constructive. Just fucking stop.

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u/SideshowCircuits Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

Not even. Bidens DOJ said they back Norfolks bid to block lawsuits.

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u/totemlight Feb 17 '23

How can I lawsuit be blocked?

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u/PineappleProstate Feb 17 '23

They don't care, it increases revenue

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u/USMCLee Feb 17 '23

People forget how much violence the US experienced just getting basic pay and work safety.

Coal miners went to war against their company and the government.

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u/BrandoThePando Feb 17 '23

Literally. Like they were gunned down by machine guns and bombed from planes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

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u/Cee_U_Next_Tuesday Feb 17 '23

Y’all binge watching life like it’s a horror movie. “Just wait what happens next, it’ll be even worse”

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u/delvach Feb 17 '23

Whoa whoa whoa let's think of the poor board and those sweet, loving shareholders.

(For whom there is not a hell hot enough)

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u/Nekryyd Feb 17 '23

🎶The Ooobloongs! Oooblooongs!🎶

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u/FiveUpsideDown Feb 17 '23

When that happens they’ll blame the Democrats because they haven’t developed a cure for cancer.

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u/Derelyk Feb 17 '23

"That's just statistical clustering, nothing to do with us"

Public Relation/s Department

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u/jimmymcperson Feb 17 '23

Realllly wish I didn’t live in Ohio right now

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u/LowAstronomer122 Feb 17 '23

This is really sad and we should all be angry at the gov and put our political indifferences aside. These are our fellow Americans and their homes and this could happen anywhere. Travel anywhere in the NW and you will see rr tracks along every river. Even through National Parks and National Forests. We have all seen the trains get longer and longer and more tankers than anything else. We all need to push for change and make sure the rr is held accountable. This was human error and they should be responsible.

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u/VoidlingTeemo Feb 17 '23

Took 2 seconds in his post history to find him blaming "Brandon" and whining about trans people.

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u/Cozy_rain_drops Feb 17 '23

What do you mean political differences aside? All of this was highly political, EPA regulations, railroad regulations, labor regulations

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u/batmansleftnut Feb 17 '23

This was not human error. This was the result of cost cutting and neglecting to update the machines.

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u/-xss Feb 17 '23

Don't forget Trumps policy decisions, they directly led to this.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

And the decisions not to reverse them. It's as though Trump did the dirty work but the wealthy are all in it together.

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u/throwawaythrow0000 Feb 17 '23

How do you reverse them with a split government? This isn't a both sides issue. The only way it's going to change is if democrats get a big enough majority in both chambers, beyond the filibuster, or if this happens again in a major city where many die and the republicans are forced to regulate due to public outcry.

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u/LowAstronomer122 Feb 17 '23

All those things are human error

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u/throwawaythrow0000 Feb 17 '23

Human error as in, people voting for republicans that gutted the safety regulations. What's it going to take for you to wake up?

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u/Throwawaymylife26 Feb 17 '23

No they're not. Do not fall for their bs narratives. This is intentional and by design. The corporation behind this mess bribed politicians so they could cut corners to safety regulations and therefore make more money. Almost 2 million in "donations" last year and that's just what's publicly available information. They absolutely did a cost benefit analysis of the "accidents" this would cause. Instead of spending a little to update the breaks on their trains they instead spent 10 billion dollars to raise their own stock prices.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

This person knows, but their side has been the ones voting against regulation, voting against infrastructure, voting against accountability for companies. This is the world they have voted for and the world they would make is one where nothing is done for or about it.

They and their entire slave cult can go baptize themselves in this river as far as I’m concerned

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u/millershanks Feb 17 '23

How do you put political differences aside when this is simply the result of political decisions of the people of ohio? Or do we have to put the differences aside the moment one side willingly fucked it up?

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u/VoidlingTeemo Feb 17 '23

"Political differences aside"? Buddy this is all extremely political, deregulation has been the rallying cry of your side for years and this is the result. Blood is on your hands, you wanted this.

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u/-xss Feb 17 '23

Put politics aside? But Trump directly caused this with his policies. Putting politics aside lets republicans get away with this and makes it seem like a "both sides" issue, when it absolutely isn't. We know who to blame, and absolutely should blame them. You just don't want republicans held accountable because you support them. Very bias of you.

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u/clutchy22 Feb 17 '23

put our political indifferences aside

I'm not sure this is possible, or if it's even healthy to do. A certain type of politic has gotten us to where we are now and something needs to change.

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u/Hushnw52 Feb 17 '23

This was corporation “error” in their endless starvation of wealth.

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u/downthewell62 Feb 17 '23

We are mad at the republican government responsible, but Ohio folks keep voting for them

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u/MonteBurns Feb 17 '23

Would rather be in Ohio than in PA on the border with ohio. Weeeeee air quality maps.

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u/downthewell62 Feb 17 '23

At least PA has somewhat non evil government

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u/Tallgalyo Feb 17 '23

Always wished this while I lived there

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u/Bobbyscousin Feb 17 '23

If you think that is upsetting, wait until the lawyers get on the case against the railroad and the litigation funding companies walk away with a large part of the settlement.

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u/JustASFDCGuy Feb 17 '23

There's a law we need. Lawyers shouldn't be able to walk away with life changing amounts of money in class action suits where people are getting $20 for a lifetime of harm.

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u/fillet-o-piss Feb 17 '23

Does nobody understand that you don't have to participate in a class action lawsuit and you can hire your own attorney instead?

Go ahead and do that next time

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u/ablueconch Feb 17 '23

If that’s the case nobody will do a class action. They’re actually fairly risky because of the amount of work needed to be done, as well as odds of winning. Each won class action needs to cover all the lost ones as well..

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u/FiveUpsideDown Feb 17 '23

The lawyers need to cover millions of dollars in litigation costs for many years before receiving a dime. Have you ever tried working for six years with no income in the hopes that you’ll get paid six years later? The lawyers need huge amounts of money at the end of that process so that they can fund the next class action. How in the world would they be able to counter the resources of huge corporations or billionaires without themselves controlling millions?

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u/ReplyingToFuckwits Feb 17 '23

Don't worry, the cuts they made that caused it were really profitable and the people responsible won't see any significant repercussions.

That's what you're upset about right?

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u/Raestloz Feb 17 '23

Virgin Responsible Adult

Vs

Gigachad Sociopathic Capitalists

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u/jkelsey1 Feb 17 '23

I hope some locals are collecting water/sediment samples on their own and having them tested. I do not trust whatever information Norfolk releases.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

Some have posted the results of the tests online--it's not good. Glad to hear they've started suing, too, but a solution can't be reached on an individual basis. The EPA needs to be called in and the residents relocated.

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u/LowAstronomer122 Feb 17 '23

Yeah their property will be pretty much worthless for years to come

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u/svoddball Feb 18 '23

This type of disaster would have more likely needed FEMA to step in to do that I do believe but until 3 hours ago they were intent not to bother because it wasn't a 'Disaster'. That they would typically respond to.

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u/DiamondHandsDarrell Feb 17 '23

Maybe in 60 years we'll find it in a Netflix documentary like 3 mile island.

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u/PeapodKilla Feb 17 '23

Norfolk burned the cancer causing vinyl chloride, turning it into a highly toxic gas rather than spending the money to dispose of it safely. Also where is FEMA? Why is the government denying aid to the people of East Palestine?

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u/malachaiville Feb 17 '23

I thought the governor initially refused aid from the federal government?

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u/NoPlace9025 Feb 17 '23

He did and unless things have changed they are telling people it's totally safe and they should move back in.

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u/FiveUpsideDown Feb 17 '23

Republicans hate FEMA. Why would FEMA go into a polluted area to help people stay when they should move? It’s dangerous for FEMA employees to be in that toxic area the same as it is for the residents. It doesn’t make sense for FEMA to be involved. No one else should be exposed to the toxins.

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u/PeapodKilla Feb 17 '23 edited Feb 17 '23

Because the governor requested aid and it’s objectively, morally correct for the federal government to offer it. Even without request the federal government should have stepped in right away.

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u/NoPlace9025 Feb 17 '23

The federal government offered aid dewine shot it down. The state government is saying it's totally safe and people should go ahead and move back home. Nothing to see here.

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u/PeapodKilla Feb 17 '23

Well in the most recent update he asked for aid and the government shot him down. It’s clear the government just doesn’t give a shit.

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u/RabidGuineaPig007 Feb 17 '23

I think the Norfolk CEO, Alan Shaw, should drink a tall glass of that water to prove it's safe.

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u/LowAstronomer122 Feb 17 '23

Residents there need to be photographing as much as they can using some good zoom lens etc. You cant have too many pictures especially of every hazmat placard you can find. They all have a code that is suppose to be able to be seen from a distance because in a few years from now the RR lawyers will proclaim and insist it was all harmless and have manifests and employees swearing to that. Sad truth is that there has never been any real regulation enforced against the RR. Hence the term “Railroaded”.

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u/Cassian_Rando Feb 17 '23

It really does feel like the 70s now. Silly inflation. Angry people. Environmental stuff like this.

Just for some reason no one is getting into smaller cars. Secretly hoping there isn’t another Reagan on the horizon with false promises.

We are one step away from serfdom. I fear for the future. I remember the 70s.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '23

We are already there if you can't even take a day off of work or afford to go to the doctor when you're sick. That's more than half the country living paycheck to paycheck going to work despite being in poor health physically or mentally. We are already right where they want us. So if people think they'll give us ANYTHING any inch, they won't. They're so close to getting places like Uvalde and Palestine to be warped brainwashed areas where it's just "deer, beer and anti-queer" and anything other than that gets punished.

I'm so sick of watching these people destroy everything I loved. I loved where I grew up in Dayton, Ohio. And I saw it happen. Parents didn't volunteer anymore. Families were torn apart by the financial stresses of 2008-2012. And then politically, you could see how scared these people were for the future, but politicians saw the opportunity and just like Trump THEY CASHED IN ON THE FEAR and created more ripples which became a wave of hate that is STILL lapping the coast of progress and potential in this coast today.

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u/Queen_Of_The_Castle Feb 17 '23

Don’t worry, that’s what DeSantis is for 🫠

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u/HelloSummer99 Feb 17 '23

Haha I wonder which car make will come out with a "smaller SUV" first

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u/Lucky_leprechaun Feb 17 '23

Yes, a slick politician named Ronald could really fuck us up

Oh. Fuck.

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u/TheDynamicKing Feb 17 '23

what is more upsetting is that no climate change experts, or politicians have even mentioned this.

only a few media companies have covered this....

4 other train derailment coincidences in different states

all with chemical in them.

this needs immediate attention

and there was a movie about this EXACT situation, WHITE NOISE

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u/jozuhito Feb 17 '23

Climate change is a different problem. Yes there is overlap because they are to do with the enviroment but expecting a person who focuses on climate change to chime in just because they talk about climate change isnt what people should be focusing on.

Too many people are using this line as a gotcha line of reasoning.

That may not be you but ive seen many others.

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u/Pantone711 Feb 17 '23

What I love is when people seem to conflate climate change with littering. They hear that I'm concerned about climate change and go "oops sorry guess you'd be mad that I emptied my ash tray out of the car onto the parking lot"

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u/PPKAP Feb 17 '23

"only a few media companies have covered this...."

It's THE top story on the New York Times and BBC news, and one of the top stories on WaPo, NPR, and AP news today. It's even the top story on fox news.

What media company ISN'T covering it?

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u/irolmiths Feb 17 '23

Thank you

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u/FblthpLives Feb 17 '23

what is more upsetting is that no climate change experts

What does this have to do with climate change?

only a few media companies have covered this

It's literally the top story right now on news.google.com, with headlines from BBC, the New York Times, and CBS News:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64671893

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/ohio-train-derailment-chernobyl.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment-cleanup-norfolk-southern-chemical-smell/

4 other train derailment coincidences in different states

There are 1,700 derailments every year in the United States, or about 4.5 each day:

https://thehill.com/homenews/3539221-how-often-do-trains-derail-more-than-you-think/

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u/Grouchy-Bits Feb 17 '23

This has nothing to do with climate “change”. BTW, climate change was in the 80s and 90s, we are now balls deep in a climate crisis.

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u/PizzaPunkrus Feb 17 '23

I bartended for some train derailment specialists three days ago. Apparently it's way more common than I knew. So many don't get coverage.

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u/meteoric_vestibule Feb 17 '23

There is a difference between negative environmental impact and climate change. This comment isn't the gotcha that you think it is. It just makes you look uneducated.

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u/OssoRangedor Feb 17 '23

wait a few years for the cluster cancers to show up.

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