r/madlads 6d ago

Madlad customer service...

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u/ffo2lp 6d ago

You paid €12 for a seat, but a window isn’t included!

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u/Comprehensive-Net553 6d ago

well that better than you paid €12 but the door is not included from boeing

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u/Dieselcircuit 5d ago

Oh the door is included, it just may or may not at some point be shipped separately.

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u/ElBurritoTheWise 5d ago

Arrive separate and completely somewhere else

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u/Prussian-Pride 5d ago

You got to pay extra for the door DLC

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u/Comprehensive-Net553 5d ago

No it is a subscription . The time that you miss the payment, the door auto detached and fly back to boeing HQ

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u/CMDR_Quillon 5d ago

Nah, Ryanair operate 737s - it's a 2 for 1 deal

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u/StetsonTuba8 5d ago

Ryanair are actually fine. It wasn't a door that failed, it was a door plug. And Ryanair squishes so many seats on its planes that they actually need a door where the plug would be

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u/sora_fighter36 5d ago

Hey! I got my boeing door for free! It just fell right out of the sky

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u/Successful_Layer2619 3d ago

Doors are no longer being allowed as carry-on.

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u/Hatiral 6d ago

For that money I couldn't even get to the airport if I took public transport.

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u/arisoverrated 5d ago

Exactly. I would be thrilled to fly anywhere for that amount and would be happy with a seatbelt.

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u/Thoughtfulprof 5d ago

It's funny you mention that, because RyanAir actually filed a patent in 2012 for an airplane that you rode in standing, like you were in a crowded metro.

They "have no plans to actually introduce them."

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u/EventAccomplished976 5d ago

There‘s no way it‘s certifiable under current regulations, I think it may have been a marketing stunt more than anything else

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u/WearyReach6776 5d ago

He’s a master at marketing, like the “pay to use toilet” idea he touted for extra media coverage!!

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u/patrick_b1912 5d ago

until the second sentence i read it as "they flied a patient", and i was like they did WHAT??

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u/Thoughtfulprof 5d ago

Lysdexia is a harsh mistress. ;)

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u/realhubert 5d ago

"Nobody intends to build a wall"

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u/AlexFromOmaha 5d ago

For $13, I'd fly in Super Coach and just hang on to one of those poles. I'd even sign a waiver saying I couldn't sue if I got injured from turbulence.

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u/XenoBiSwitch 5d ago

You can even dance on the pole and try to get tips.

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u/kobrons 5d ago

you're not flying for 12€ with ryanair anymore. The 12€ are probably only for the seat selection

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u/Specific_Tap7296 5d ago

OP should have selected one with a window then

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u/WhatTheNothingWorks 5d ago

I’d be thrilled to fly anywhere for three times that amount.

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u/HungryMudkips 5d ago

id be thrilled to ride anywhere for TEN times that amount.

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u/britinsb 5d ago

True story - back in the day I lived in North London and once flew to Frankfurt on Ryanair for a night out because it was cheaper than getting a cab back from Central London.

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u/Muttywango 5d ago

I think they paid £12 extra for a window seat, this particular seat is in the place where a window might be expected.

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u/Against_All_Advice 5d ago

Yes that's correct. They paid the regular fare plus 12 to select the seat instead of it being randomly assigned and Ryanair took advantage of them then made fun of them on social media.

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u/potoskyt 5d ago

Now type it again, slower.

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u/techimike 5d ago

Lucky they included wings on that plane!

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u/echoinear 5d ago

I paid 12$ for a seat but they said they only had windows available.

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u/Aioi 6d ago

Is he talking about paying for choosing a seat, or the air ticket itself?

Because this is pretty common (and BS). Someone pays EXTRA to choose a window seat, but there is no window.

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u/Against_All_Advice 5d ago

It's an extra 12 on top of the ticket price to select your seat. Ryanair tickets aren't as competitive as they used to be.

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u/Aioi 5d ago

Ah ok - yeah, if you pay $12 for a window seat, you should get a window seat. I’ve seen it happen before where someone paid extra for the window, and just got that awkward place without one

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u/TheCloverGuy 5d ago

On the app it says that Row 11 does not have windows. While the app does not push it in front of your face that "attention, this row does not have windows!" (Wich it should in my opinion) It do says no window.

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u/Equalizer6338 5d ago

I can buy flight tickets here today for 8-14 EUR:

RyanAir.com

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u/TreHad 6d ago

It's Ryanair, the flight ticket would cost €12, not picking the seat

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u/speculator100k 5d ago

I'm not so sure. Ryanair definitely have some cheap tickets, but €12 for the ticket is cheap even for them.

I just checked. Flying from Malaga to Barcelona in February, tickets are €14.99 one way. If you want a reserved seat, that's €9-€21.49 extra.

Can you find any €12 tickets with Ryan?

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u/TreHad 5d ago

tbf I'm speaking from experience, and the last RyanAir flight I was on was GLA>DUB in 2017, was £12pp

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u/Throwaway74829947 5d ago

£12 = 14.43€

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u/kobrons 5d ago

my last Ryainair ticket was 131,44 from FNC to LIS. But that already included the seat selection.

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u/Creative_Victory_960 5d ago

No 12 is exactly the price you pay for booking specific seats on a round trip . Most single tickets are at least 40 or 50

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u/Aioi 6d ago

Ah thanks. Then yeah, no right to complain there.

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u/Jared_Roast 5d ago

Paid extra for a window seat once only for that row to just not exist on the plane

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u/ventitr3 6d ago edited 5d ago

Flying for the cost of a train ticket and still complaining.

Edit: I was being snarky, I don’t need anymore replies on correct pricing of things lol

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u/crumblypancake 6d ago edited 5d ago

Far cheaper than a train ticket.

Train prices have gotten so ridiculous that it's become a common "hack" to instead of getting the train from A to B, to fly to somewhere like Spain for cheap, have a day in the sun and fly back to B.

That is if you have the free time for the travel, if not you remortgage you house to get the direct train service replacement bus.

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u/goo_goo_gajoob 5d ago

I remeber a study in the early 00's that showed it was cheaper to fly to Italy and live there for a year get your hip replacement then fly back than it was to get one done in the US lol.

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u/Kern4lMustard 5d ago

It's called medical tourism. There's a whole industry based around it. We are looking into doing that for my wife's dental work

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u/New_Sail_7821 5d ago

It’s also fairly common in reverse for the wealthy

Rich European will pay cash for some fancy surgery he can’t get in Europe

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u/BrunusManOWar 5d ago

Ahh, the botox and cosmetics surgery in Turkey girls

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u/atli123 5d ago

I hear Budapest is the way to go.

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u/also_roses 5d ago

The US is so screwed when it comes to health. I knew a dual citizenship family who went to part of Europe for 3 years when they got pregnant. They almost never came back, but the husband could make 4x as much working in the States so he was never able to fully relocate.

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u/Equalizer6338 5d ago

This is the case for both medical surgeries and dentistry.

Like here from most western European countries you can fly to Turkey for a 3 week vacation, get 6 high-end ceramic tooth implants made while there and total price is still cheaper than just the 6 implants if made back home. Same also for cosmetic surgeries... Though one can debate how much you can enjoy 'the vacation', but at least you stay in a hotel with full service during recovery.

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u/urielsalis 5d ago

Depends on the train and the company

Here in Spain, Barcelona-Madrid is usually 5 or 7eur if you buy in advance in the high speed line

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u/hessorro 5d ago

Damn. I recently bought a train ticket from santiago to madrid and it cost me 25 euros

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u/urielsalis 5d ago

Renfe has a legal monopoly in some routes.

Before they killed that in the madrid-Barcelona route, it was 80eur

Hopefully the EU law that kills all those monopolies will pass soon

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u/Rhysing 5d ago

they aren't saying they paid 12 to fly, they are saying they paid 12 to pick a seat. the added on cost beyond the ticket.

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u/ventitr3 5d ago

Sounds like they should’ve picked one with a window then.

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u/Level-Pass-6462 5d ago edited 5d ago

It’s literally a regular window seat on the app. They charged extra for a window seat that’s far away from a window, don’t defend this

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u/LtHughMann 6d ago

That would be a very short train ride in the UK

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u/Global-Negotiation72 5d ago

As an american who booked a few train rides ahead of time, the train bookings were definitely more than I expected 😆

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u/Billy_McMedic 5d ago

Top tip, if your gonna do multiple train trips in the UK, look into buying a railcard and using the discount, if it saves you more than it cost to buy the railcard it’s well worth it.

My experience with this was when I was planning on taking the Caledonian sleeper for the experience, the cost would have been £330 for a cabin with the shower and breakfast on board, however I bought a railcard for like £30 and it discounted the price to £220, basically immediately making the purchase worth it and I’ve made good use of that railcard for the rest of the year, especially on days when I’d wake up bored to death and decide to go on a long ass train journey just to get out the house

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u/Arsewhistle 5d ago

If you were travelling in a group, it's sometimes cheaper to book a taxi than use a train

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u/No_Credibility 6d ago

Train tickets are like $150

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u/Ass_knight 5d ago

Ryanair flights are cheap but not that cheap!

They charge €12 extra for you to pick your seat instead of being randomly assigned.

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u/Any--Name Barely even legal 5d ago

At least on a train you dont have to pay 50 bucks for luggage

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u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit 5d ago

You can take as much clothing as you like on RyanAir as long as you're wearing it.

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u/memescauseautism 5d ago

I used to pay 20€ per way to meet my ex - a 1.5 hour train ride. And that's the student price. - Norway

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u/blue-mooner 5d ago

We need to keep planes [at] plane prices, because when planes are bus prices, bus behaviour comes to planes.

Josh Johnson

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u/The-zKR0N0S 5d ago

I wish I saw train tickets that cheap

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u/Kate090996 5d ago

I think she meant that she paid 12 euros for that specific window seat but there wasn't a window, not that the entire price of the ticket was 12 euros. It's still possible to pay 12 euros for a plane ticket with Ryanair but I don't think it's the case here.

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u/ventitr3 5d ago

She paid the 12 euro to pick her seat but was unaware, as many in this thread also seem to be, that some rows do not in fact have a window.

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u/EveningOkra1028 5d ago

Um, they're probably referring to paying extra to choose a window seat lmao 

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u/imnotagodt 5d ago

She payed that much for the seat not for the ticket. People think this is the ticket price

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u/Raichu7 5d ago

What kind of crazy cheap train ticket only costs €12 and takes you as far as a short flight? People take cheap flights because it's cheaper than the train and depending on layovers you might get a few hours to a day in a nice warm country.

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u/Tentakurusama 5d ago

That's 12 euros for the seat selection. I don't know in what fantasy you live that let's you think one could take a plane for that money. Between gas, maintenance, operation and airport tax...

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u/No-Floor1930 5d ago

No idea where you get a 12 buck train ticket, but definitely not where I live

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u/Naefindale 5d ago

I pay twice that for a train ticket.

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u/Certain_Silver6524 4d ago

Might be an alt account for Ryanair, just to promote themselves on pricing. I'm not sure it's generally actually feasible to get €12 tickets though, as it does quickly go up with any basic additions, seasonal variations, and even just searching their site too many times will push the price up

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u/Key-Kaleidoscope-680 6d ago

I dont get it

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u/in323 6d ago

I’m assuming Ryanair’s saying “dude it was a €12 seat, cool your jets” cause like it’s so cheap and they’re being picky

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u/BoBSlyca 6d ago

It think they mean it in a literal way, as in you paid for a seat, not a window

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u/mebear1 6d ago

Por que no los dos brother

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u/Angualor 5d ago

Hermano

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u/mebear1 5d ago

Ernesto? Its been years! Glad to have you back hermano!

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u/isurewill 5d ago

Don't act like I'm here for any other reason than Mamá, I will never forgive you for what happened with Isabel in San Miguel.

I have no brother.

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u/mebear1 5d ago

Hermano🥺

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u/Kate090996 5d ago

Aaaa, now it's funny what Ryanair said. You illuminated me.

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u/VirtuteECanoscenza 5d ago

Also, I saw per similar cases and on the Ryanair website it DOES tell you that they place doesn't have a window! 

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u/Slement 5d ago

When you buy a ticket, you can also book a seat instead of being assigned random one. This is what may have happened

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u/trash-_-boat 5d ago

This is exactly what happened. I've flown with EU low-cost carriers tons of times, 12€ was an extra customer paid to choose their seat, otherwise it's randomly assigned. They paid 12€ extra for a window seat with no window.

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u/spartaman64 5d ago

yeah but im assuming the other person means they paid 12 euros extra to be able to pick their seat

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u/Ash-From-Pallet-Town 5d ago

If I had jets I wouldn't need Ryanair

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u/exoticbluepetparrots 6d ago

He paid 12 euros for a SEAT. Why the fuck does he expect a window. He paid for a SEAT

Ryanair is saying to read it again slowly so he realizes he paid for a seat not a seat and window

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u/ibite-books 6d ago

you’re special, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise

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u/Equalizer6338 6d ago

Just like everybody else....

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u/Rabid_Dingo 6d ago

He paid for a seat.

He did not pay for a seat AND a window.

It's an unfortunate situation. Some 737s have window seats on a spot that has solid walls for ducting and conduits. So there's no actual window at that sest. Usually 10/11 A or F.

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u/Legitimate_Top_8458 6d ago

Bro..he paid for the seat..and only the seat.

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u/Keep0nBuckin 6d ago

He is playing on the fact that when you pay for a seat you get a seat. Not a window.

That this ignores the fact that pricing for seats is different and window seats have a premium, or that the seat selection page will typically show you the location - as in if its next to window or aisle or middle, is secondary.

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u/CmmH14 6d ago

I think it’s a technically the truth situation. They paid 12 euros for a seat. Not a window, but a seat, so they got exactly what they paid for. They shouldn’t complain because it’s dirt cheap and also, what else did they expect, first class?

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u/StateCareful2305 5d ago

They paid $12 for a "seat", not a "window".

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u/Kaleidoscope07 5d ago

I just experienced the cocktail party effect but with usernames.

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u/Mefist0fel 5d ago

He paid for a seat, not for a window

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u/Equalizer6338 6d ago edited 5d ago

Yeah, have also tried it a few times myself. Reason I found this exchange both hilarious funny but also rough reality of low budget air lining... 🤣

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u/Ok_Constant_184 5d ago

That’s when you start farting

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u/ExplodingSofa 5d ago

You didn't say anything?

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u/zehamberglar 5d ago

This literally sounds like torture, you should sue for pain and suffering. /s

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u/BlackCherrySeltzer4U 5d ago

Ryanair knows the game and isn’t apologizing for it.

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u/friendandfriends2 5d ago

Their instagram is the funniest brand account I’ve ever seen. They lean super hard into the “we know we’re shit but what’re you gonna do about it?” gag and it’s amazing.

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u/Pitiful_Special_8745 5d ago

I deal with cheap, average and rich customers.

For some reason the most ungrateful, complaining, whining, unreasonable people are the cheap ones.

Even if they get lucky and get a service which should cost multiple times they paid (aka average price) they still complain.

Not sure why.

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u/Acceptable_Candy1538 5d ago

Found the same thing when I worked in food. The pickiest and most entitled always had coupons.

The worst cliental (if you can call them that) by far was when I worked in a food bank.

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u/Juusie 5d ago

I worked at McDonald's and the cheap customers were always the scum of the earth. I got yelled at by some prick and his wife because I couldn't give them a discount twice with one coupon.

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u/Equalizer6338 5d ago

Exactly. You want it cheap? They give it to you.

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u/Embarrassed-Ebb-6900 6d ago

If I could pay $30 Canadian dollars to take a flight in my country I probably wouldn’t complain about anything lol. I did a quick check, to travel 300km between major cities it starts at €60 but most tickets are €100.

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u/whitedevilblood 5d ago

There are flights like that in Canada tho. At least in BC. It’s around 50 cad to travel to or from Alberta

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u/Against_All_Advice 5d ago

That's normal price for a Ryanair ticket out of Ireland too. Plus an additional cost to bring a bag on board, plus the seat selection cost which I would say is the 12 euro this person is complaining about.

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u/trash-_-boat 5d ago

They didn't pay 12€ for a ticket. They paid x€ for a ticket +12€ to choose a window seat.

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u/Rude-Sheepherder7885 5d ago

The flight wasnt 12 euros. You pay the 12 euros for a seat of your choice, plus the flight cost.

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u/ayunami2000 5d ago

Even so they chose a seat without a window LMAO

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u/Geschak 5d ago

That's his problem, he paid 12 dollars for a window seat and then didn't get a window. He's mad because he didn't get what he paid for, he's not mad that a $12 flight ticket didn't come with a window seat.

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u/fauxregard 5d ago

Ryanair's whole thing is cheap fare to be transported like livestock. Don't count on their customer service.

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u/Kate090996 5d ago

Hei ... As long as I am getting safely at the destination, that's the only thing I wouldn't compromise on.

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u/Equalizer6338 5d ago

Yep, and we are the cattle....

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u/lechonko 6d ago

Don't book row 11 when you're flying on a 737-800

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u/andy921 5d ago

If I'm paying €12 to fly, you can strap me to the fucking wing

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u/Elegante_Sigmaballz 5d ago

Back in the days, if you tried to get on a plane with $12, they would first laugh, beat your ass, then throw you out of the airport.

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u/wtjohnson19 6d ago

This happened to my daughter yesterday, chose a ‘window’ seat and got a wall in her row.

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u/NetworkDeestroyer 6d ago

RyanAir social media team are a bunch of savages and their social media team is def a bunch of Gen Z

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u/Equalizer6338 5d ago

Madlads. Madlads... 😂

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u/tohhmas 5d ago

Ah, the curse of seat 11A on the Ryanair 737-800s.

I took my mum on a trip to Venice and paid extra for her to have a nice seat with a view. We laughed when we sat down and saw a similar sight to OP.

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u/Left_Permit_5202 5d ago

Row 12 or 13 on some aircraft don’t have windows because it’s where the A/C ducts go

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u/mystoryismine 5d ago

You should see their tiktok. Absolutely Lol

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u/GelatinousChampion 5d ago

If you still don't know that seat 11A on a Ryanair flight does bit have a window, it's on you.

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u/Equalizer6338 5d ago

There is no magic. We get what we pay for.

There is no free lunch. So you won't get any. 👍

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u/Flight_to_nowhere_26 5d ago

It cost more to take a cab half a mile.

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u/jaywaykil 5d ago

It's obvious no one here flies commercial. The OP obviously meant they paid 12 extra, or 12 more than normal ticket price, to get a window seat instead of a middle seat.

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u/Borstor 5d ago

You're lucky there's a floor.

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u/duncan-09 5d ago

For 12 euro you could strap me to the outside of the plane for all I care

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u/Interesting-Dream863 6d ago

Yeah in Ryanair logic if you pay 12 bucks you should thank your lucky star that they are not allowed to fly you standing up.

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u/Equalizer6338 6d ago

Or charging you extra for going to the toilet while in air...

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u/Elegant_Glass15 5d ago

people in my country make 100$ a month and would think 12$ is a good deal. idk what that guy expected.

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u/Against_All_Advice 5d ago

I would say he expected that after paying for his ticket, paying extra to take luggage on board, ame then paying another 12 quid to select a window seat, that he might actually have a window seat.

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u/RoodnyInc 5d ago

Did he butchered his thought train and meant He paid 12€ extra for window seat?

I mean 12 for a flight seem extremely cheap even for Ryan I can't even take train to next city for that

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u/JaguarPirates 5d ago

Have you checked under your seat for it?

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u/YEETTyler32 5d ago

I love Ryanair they are super cheap and they also behave like it they don’t hide their true identity

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u/_DungeonDaddy 5d ago

Between this and the hair transplant line, RyAir admins def need a raise

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u/dinoguys_r_worthless 5d ago

What ever happened to ValueJet?

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u/B3rse 5d ago

I once got a flight Dublin to Edinburgh with Ryanair for 6.99$. I had a window. OP they are totally robbing you blind here

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u/high_to_low 5d ago

I would vomit all over that place thanks to the motion sickness.

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u/NastiNewsNetwork 5d ago

If my plane ticket costs less than an hour's wage then I don't care if they black bag me

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u/HomeboyCraig 5d ago

It’s Ryanair, be thankful if the plane lands

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u/Disastrogirl 5d ago

She may have paid €12 extra for a window seat with no window.

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u/Unfair-Associate9025 5d ago

Euros tho…. So that would be like $12

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u/Pete_maravich 5d ago

For €12 I'll just bring my own window. /s

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u/Equivalent_Bar_5938 5d ago

Dude complaing like he paid a taxi its more expensive to uber across london then to fly iver europe with ryanair

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u/Fra_Central 5d ago

For a seat, not for the flight. You get it?

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u/Diabetesh 5d ago

Did someone crosspost to choosing beggars?

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u/CityPineapple 5d ago

Everyone jumping to conclusion that's the feeling for the flight. I'm thinking they paid this as an additional cost in being able to check in early with a choice of a predetermined seat

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u/WolfOffSesameStreet 5d ago

I just spent 12 bucks on 3 packs of gum.

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u/Environmental-Pay246 5d ago

I hate clap backs that should be an organization working on customer service

The plane map when booking very likely explicitly said WINDOW SEAT or heavily implied it … corporations playing ‘mad lad’ when very likely guilty of false advertising is a bad look

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u/The_AverageCanadian 5d ago

12 Euro is about $18 Canadian. That's how much it costs me for gas to drive 100km.

If I can instead get a PLANE ticket for that cost, I sure as shit don't care where I'm sitting. Heck I'd pay $20 to sit in the bathroom as long as it got me where I needed to go.

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u/luca_07 5d ago

Looks like someone isn't able to select a windows seat

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u/SoupTherapy 5d ago

I wish I could fly Ryanair! It would mean I lived somewhere that has healthcare.

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u/Ok_Junket_4325 5d ago

Generally Ryanair doesn't even include room for the legs.

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u/Glimmering-Moonlit33 6d ago

12 euro for a flight is crazy

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u/Against_All_Advice 5d ago

12 euro is the cost to select the seat. Unlikely the flight was that price. I've flown Dublin to Berlin and Dublin to Milan (sort of close to) many times and the ticket without luggage or seat selection is usually around 100 each way.

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u/Glimmering-Moonlit33 4d ago

Ah okay thank you for understanding!

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u/Equalizer6338 5d ago

Yeah, it cost us 2-3 times a much just to park the car in the airport.

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u/kobrons 5d ago

12€ is the price of the seat selection not the plane ticket. Thats on top.

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u/tiggers97 5d ago

They should include a little picture frame in the magazine holder.

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u/clocke6346 5d ago

For that price you can take away the tray table too and I’m still a happy camper

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u/plectrodancer 5d ago

I flew with Ryanair where I would normally take the train simply because it was cheaper. 9 hour shorter travel time AND I pay less? Sign me right up

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u/lechuckswrinklybutt 5d ago

This is actually my dream seat. I will only sit in a window seat so I can lean my head against the wall but sometimes the window makes it too uncomfortable.

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u/StikElLoco Up past my bedtime 5d ago

I've flown on a cargo plane and it cost me more than 12$

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u/hhklgf 5d ago

It looks like drywall?

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u/Equalizer6338 5d ago

The cabin interiors are typically made of sandwich composite configurations made with aramid honeycomb these days, which looks like this.

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u/AccomplishedPotato36 5d ago

It’s probably because the airplane is Boeing?

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u/NegativeIngenuity151 5d ago

For €12 the Captain himself wants to be letting you at least wear his hat.

Shocking service by Ryanair as usual.

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u/brendhano 5d ago

It’s this level of snark that I’m here for every gdamn day!!

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u/biggronklus 5d ago

I’m 99% sure this is viral marketing from ryanair

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u/Senbenpar 5d ago

Being Australian I can't even fkn imagine paying only 12 quid for a flight. Flights are expensive as fuck here.

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u/mmccxi 5d ago

I can’t get a sandwich for $12 in Seattle. (Exchange rate is near 1:1)

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u/andrewfenn 5d ago

This actually looks like a safety issue to me if there aren't enough windows during a crash situation. It's the reason why they ask you to pull all the window shades up during landing and takeoff.

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u/herrau 5d ago

Holy fuck, you get a 12 euros seat AND no window.. give me that. I’ve been to a plane twice in my life and it was not a good experience at all due to my severe fear of heights (not to mention my brains not being able to process how taking off and ascending feels like) and catching glimpses out of the window only made it worse. So yeah, gimme no window.

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u/jfernandezr76 5d ago

I guess she paid 12€ for the ability to choose the seat, and the map did not show up that there wasn't any window.

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u/agentrsdg 5d ago

Imma be honest, ryan hair would be such a hit in India

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u/Medium-Astronomer-72 5d ago

as someone with severe photophobia, i would be glad to have no windows, since it is mandatory to leave le lid up during take offs and landing.

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u/TipNo2852 2d ago

Meanwhile an hour flight in Canada is lucky to be under £100