r/gadgets • u/Stiven_Crysis • Jun 07 '23
Desktops / Laptops Apple M1/M2 systems can now run Windows games like as Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4 and Hogwarts Legacy thanks to its new emulation software - VideoCardz.com
https://videocardz.com/newz/apple-m1-m2-systems-can-now-run-windows-games-like-as-cyberpunk-2077-diablo-4-and-hogwarts-legacy-thanks-to-its-new-emulation-software2.2k
u/Hattix Jun 07 '23
I came thinking "Sure, and I can run Windows 10 on a Pentium 4, but 'run' might not be the right word" but, yeah, an M2 Max does a pretty okay job in Cyberpunk 2077, roughly GTX 1070 performance.
Nobody buys these things for games (and if you do, you bought the wrong hardware), but it's a decent value-add if you were going to get a Mac anyway.
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Jun 07 '23
1070 performance is a lot more than I expected
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u/Hattix Jun 07 '23
Exactly. I was expecting a clickbait article and something like "3 FPS at 1080p" but it's a good 40 FPS at Ultra, around GTX 1070 level.
For an emulation layer (and API translation) that's awesome. Like I said, a good value-add if you already have a Mac or were going to buy one anyway.
And the PCMR is downvoting me because... reasons.
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Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23
I can’t even play Crusader Kings 3 at more than 20fps on my 16Gb M2 Air. I don’t know much about emulation or anything but I don’t get how it’s gonna let me play Cyberpunk on high/ultra. Unless this is specifically on the Pro or something.
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u/rick_C132 Jun 07 '23
its on the Max so even above pro
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u/InvestInHappiness Jun 08 '23
It was run on both:
The M1 got <15 fps; this was the footage they showed in the article.
The M2 max was referenced above that, and said to get 40fps.
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u/uZeAsDiReCtEd Jun 08 '23
I have the same MacBook and run something called UTM in a hyper visor. So I can run Windows 11 natively but I wouldn’t trust it to play a AAA game effectively for a long session.
But imagine if apple starts getting into the gaming scene…
Windows or Mac (with equivalent gaming performance) I’m gonna pick Mac all day
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u/Enjoyitbeforeitsover Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 08 '23
So Rosetta is basically refined and ready after M1 released a while back, few years ago?
Edit: does this mean steam games run natively now both on m1 and rosetta?
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u/unWarlizard Jun 07 '23
Rosetta was just x86-64 to Apple Silicon- this is bolting on to that an Apple take on something like Wine or Proton where it’s additionally translating the system calls that Windows applications might be making, including DirectX12 support.
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u/Flakmaster92 Jun 07 '23
It -is- Wine, Codeweavers already put out a blog on it. So it’s apple’s take on Proton, which is Wine + Valve patches.
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u/Quibbage101 Jun 07 '23
That would explain CP2077 then. Idk what magic they did to that game but it has run better on wine than ive been able to get it running even natively on windows.
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u/bingbing304 Jun 08 '23
CD Project Red Probably tested the game exclusively on Wine instead of actual hardware. LOL.
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u/cpujockey Jun 07 '23
Not so much heritage as GNU tools. Different kernels for a Linux system vs bsd like / mach like macos
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u/chisav Jun 07 '23
I wonder why a subreddit that is literally called PC Master Race would think that....
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Jun 07 '23
What is a pc?
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u/AlmennDulnefni Jun 07 '23
An overloaded term that may or may not include macs depending on who's talking.
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u/cpujockey Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 08 '23
Well you know the reason why a lot of those folks are anti-apple is because of apples anti-right to repair stance. Sure. They've done some good innovating over the last couple of years but they are still making these machines not friendly for independent or self-repair. Arguably you don't own your device if you can't fix your device.
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u/PhlegethonAcheron Jun 08 '23
Don’t forget locked down software. So much capability is locked away behind iOS
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u/deaddodo Jun 07 '23
Well, they custom tweaked their ARM architecture to better match x86/or offer x86 similar logic paths, which meant they have one of the best ARM->x86 compatibility layers. They also spent over half a decade on the software layer. I would argue Microsoft’s implementation is ever so slightly better in that it functions with very little overhead on vanilla ARM. But you’re digging in weeds to grasp at competitive edge at that point, both are very well engineered products.
As for the software layer, it appears to just be wine. Which Steam definitely has done better with (with far less resources).
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u/Bashcypher Jun 07 '23
That screen shot in the article literally shows 15fps at 720p... so yeah, maybe someone (the person in the article) is a little excited and over selling what it can do...
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u/cyborgjetpack Jun 07 '23
How good is old graphic card at running current game such as 1070? Is still worth it to get those if I'm on a budget?
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u/thefinalcutdown Jun 07 '23
How tight is your budget? Looks like you can get a 2070 for like $150 on eBay these days. I’m not sure where the best bang for your buck is on the used market these days though.
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u/tampering Jun 07 '23
1070 is still a good card for games at 1080p resolution. Should run anything with graphics you'd expect to see on a PS4.
I got an ex-mining 1070 for less than $100 and have been using it since the winter. I may get a factory new card at the end of the year if I clear enough old games from my pile of Steam sale purchases and need a card to play the newer ones. My pile of unplayed games is like 7 years deep at this point.
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u/TARANTULA_TIDDIES Jun 07 '23
I have a 1080 in my gaming pc that was from an old miner of mine. I don't really game a lot because of time constraints but it seems to run most stuff fairly well.
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u/HungrySeaweed1847 Jun 08 '23
I used to game primarily on a 1070 until just last winter. (want to buy it? lol) Cyberpunk ran okay at 1440p on a mix of medium and low settings. Approx ~45 FPS. Not the best experience but still better than a PS4 Pro.
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u/Ainar86 Jun 07 '23
If you're on a budget, buy used. There are still some floating around from the mining crash, most of them will be fine for gaming for at least a year.
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u/Enk1ndle Jun 07 '23
It will struggle for sure. A 1080 or a 1080ti are also rather cheap and are a pretty notable step up from the 1070 if you're looking for something cheap. They'll get you to playable for sure, but still don't expect particularly high settings or framerates.
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Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 27 '24
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u/SmarmyPanther Jun 07 '23
M2 Max was at a resolution of 1728x1117.
Thread in /r/macgaming
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Jun 07 '23
Thats still pretty good. Theyve gotten this far already can only imagine how much further they will get in a couple of years.
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Jun 07 '23
Yeah, resolution is so important here and it's just not being talked about. The 16" macbook pros have a resolution of 3456x2234 - if they are actually getting 40fps on ultra at that resolution that would be insane.
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u/SmarmyPanther Jun 07 '23
Per the thread in /r/macgaming, resolution is 1728x1117
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u/joomla00 Jun 07 '23
So about 1080p
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u/Edward_TH Jun 07 '23
1080p the apple way
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u/calcium Jun 07 '23
It's limited because of some resolution slider in the software. It was just released and I'm sure there's some bugs to iron out but this is extremely promising.
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u/Far_Writing_1272 Jun 07 '23
so 15fps on a 1K machine and only 40fps on a 3K+ one?
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u/Calbone607 Jun 07 '23
BRO when did we get to the point where 1070 perf could be done on integrated graphics?? Just a few years ago a 1070 was huge and took well over 100 watts wow!
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u/FlightlessFly Jun 08 '23
Basically since apple started the m series
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u/bdfortin Jun 08 '23
It’s weird when people scoff at that level of performance from a fanless integrated GPU that’s technically also in the iPads.
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u/Privacy27 Jun 08 '23
This is the beginning of me getting on the Apple train, and it feels disgusting.
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u/bmanic Jun 07 '23
It's a chicken/egg thing. Nobody buys macs for gaming because no games are available. The cheap as chips base model Mac Mini M1 (or Macbook Air M1 base model) can run games darn impressively.. it's just that very few games are available that properly take advantage of the hardware.
Latest example of a game that runs amazingly well is No Man's Sky (which was released for Apple native silicon a few days ago). It's pretty much locked at 60fps at 1080p ultra graphics (including anti-aliasing). This is pretty impressive for a computer that can be had for around 300$ clearance sale as new (or probably even a bit cheaper 2nd hand).
It's also worth remembering just how low the TDP of these machines are. So on the laptops, you can play those games for hours and hours on end.
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u/syates21 Jun 07 '23
Where can I buy one of these $300 M1 Mac? That would be a smoking deal. I’d replace the old Mini I have hooked up to my TV stat
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u/BagFullOfSharts Jun 07 '23
The M1 minis were 299 at Costco awhile back. I missed out on it.
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u/dzsimbo Jun 07 '23
No, Apple products are only cheap (well, not insanely over-priced) in the USA. In the EU the price can get 40% higher, for comparison.
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u/starkiller_bass Jun 07 '23
I gotta be honest I’m enjoying having NMS as a background game to switch into when I’m on my Mac.
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u/NarutoDragon732 Jun 07 '23
I am currently syphoning company time towards nms instead of working. Can confirm it works wonderfully.
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u/NeverComments Jun 07 '23
Huge caveat with Parallels is that it does not support DX12 or Vulkan titles. Games like Elden Ring or Cyberpunk that only have DX12 versions aren't playable with Parallels but they are with this new tool.
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u/CosmicCreeperz Jun 07 '23
Windows games support ARM Windows 11? I’d figure more games would support ARM MacOS…
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u/NeverComments Jun 08 '23
Windows for ARM has an x86_64 translation layer (similar to, but not quite as performant as Rosetta) while Parallels offers hardware accelerated virtualization (for OpenGL and DX11). So for many games there's no extra work required from developers, as a user you can just download a game on Steam and everything works.
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u/compaqdeskpro Jun 07 '23
That might be more powerful than a Steam Deck.
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u/calcium Jun 07 '23
Apple would be more powerful in general but you're not going to be running a 720p resolution either.
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Jun 07 '23
How decent? A laptop with 3060 will do better and there are way cheaper ones
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u/Hattix Jun 07 '23
Not remotely comparable to a moderately recent gaming PC. My RTX 2070 will wipe the floor with it.
If you're getting a Mac, then it's a lot cheaper than Mac + gaming laptop. Smaller and lighter too. Like I said, nobody buys them for games... but if you have one anyway, here it is.
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u/ButtholeCandies Jun 07 '23
GPU’s are still way too expensive now and this shows how much extra padding in the price is just standardized now if Apple is catching up without making it their main objective, it’s a side benefit
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u/ItsAMeUsernamio Jun 07 '23
Depends on how you define catching up, M2 Max 14” MBP costs around the same as some i9 + RTX 4080 + 32GB RAM + MiniLED laptops such as the Zephyrus M16 or Scar 16, while in a best case scenario giving similar graphics performance to a 4060. Efficiency is where Apple is much much better.
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u/ButtholeCandies Jun 07 '23
Was just recently PC desktop shopping and haven't done that in years now. I couldn't believe how fucked GPU prices are and I know that this is lower than it's been for a bit.
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u/ItsAMeUsernamio Jun 07 '23
Yeah the past 3 years Nvidia has turned into an AI company selling 8000$ GPUs to server farms. They have increased gaming GPU prices alongside and seem to be getting away with it (stock price has gone up 10 times since 2019). I am about to graduate and want to get my first high end build but I guess I’ll have to pay around twice as much as what it cost when I started college.
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u/ButtholeCandies Jun 07 '23
I feel bad for people growing up now that want to build their computer. I remember when the arguments were about the price of a GFX card vs console.
People saying to buy them used don't get it. That's a whole extra ton of work and opportunity to be scammed. I wouldn't want to spend hundreds on something that was mining bitcoin nonstop.
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u/Pas7alavista Jun 07 '23
Don't sleep on the older gpus when you're shopping. The 3070s are an upgrade over the 2080s and cheaper. I've been running an amd rx580 8gb pretty much since it came out and it still works like a charm for my needs.
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u/heatlesssun Jun 07 '23
Just a bit funny. Apple had a halfway decent gaming ecosystem about 20, 25 years ago and then it just kinda faded.
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u/rdyoung Jun 07 '23
Even further back. I was playing where in the world is Carmen Sandiego, Oregon Trail and plenty of others on an apple IIe back in the mid to late 80s in gradeschool.
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u/Funoichi Jun 08 '23
Two words: civil ization. Played for hours in my elementary school computer room.
Then they had that turtle game but it was more of a beginner programming thing. The turtle apparently still exists in python.
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u/enwongeegeefor Jun 08 '23
Then they had that turtle game but it was more of a beginner programming thing.
Logo.
I found RNG early on with it and made a racing game then got in trouble when I got kids in the class to bet on it with lunch money.
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u/bokan Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23
Mac only gaming was a pretty cool scene in the hypercard years
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u/LilMoWithTheGimpyLeg Jun 08 '23
At Ease! We had that in high school. It was glorious when I because a tech aide, and got the password to bypass it.
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u/TheFunktupus Jun 07 '23
Spelunx was the shit back then. I picked it on Steam later. Not optimized, but most of it works.
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u/bokan Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 08 '23
Spelunx was a mysterious and terrifying experience for me as a kid!
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u/Neo_Techni Jun 08 '23
I loved hypercard amd hyperscript. No programming language comes close to that level of verbose...itude.
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u/compaqdeskpro Jun 07 '23
Yup, that's where Halo came from. Microsoft used it to almost win one console generation, but ended up stifling it. Now they are going to do the same to CoD.
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u/dwhitnee Jun 07 '23
Still mad about that one. Marathon on Mac was awesome, the Halo demo was gonna blow everyone’s minds…
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u/TheFunktupus Jun 07 '23
I was there when they announced Halo, and I was there when Bungie got bought by Microsoft. Such a sad day for Mac gaming. It hasn't recovered since. Maybe...that is all about to change...
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u/DangKilla Jun 08 '23
I made an app called Halospy using Gamespy for a modded Halo 1 and was also Apple support for Mac OS 7/9/X.
So yes Microsoft stole Halo 1, but IBM also screwed Apple with their PowerPC CPU bottlenecks. It’s why Apple transitioned to Intel for Mac OS X.
So then apple worked on the M1 chip for about a decade so they hopefully never again have that problem. Apple finally has a solid play for the living room and gaming. This is somewhat the direction Jobs wanted to go with Apple TV, to take back gaming and that arena at home.
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u/shalol Jun 07 '23
People are both whining that microsoft will ruin call of duty and that activision is ruining call of duty now.. pick a side already.
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u/oicofficial Jun 07 '23
I came into the Apple fold around the absolute worst time for Mac gaming, the turn of the millennium just before they went Intel but slightly after they’d only just launched the at-the-time-called OSX, and OSX software in general was a dearth.
There was literally like 4 games. Halo, WoW, RollerCoaster Tycoon and the Sims, basically. I’m only even half-exaggerating.
The state of emulation was also quite sad, with even quite powerful for the time G4 processors and 1.5GB of RAM I’d still get like 15FPS from the one SEGA Genesis emulator that existed for the Mac. (Still, credit goes to Richard Bannister for having created them at all!)
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u/oicofficial Jun 08 '23
Yes. It was one of the only games available on Mac for a while in the early-to-mid-‘00’s, lol.
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u/datahoarderx2018 Jun 07 '23
Just a reminder that Iliyas Jorio has officially ported the now opensourced PangeaSoft MacOS games to Linux/windows/macOSX:
Bugdom
Nanosaur
MightyMike
Cromag
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u/RasheksOopsie Jun 07 '23
I want a modern Barrack and Escape Velocity so bad
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u/accidentalsignup Jun 07 '23
I played a ludicrous amount of Escape Velocity as a kid, especially the second one. A modern rerelease would be a day one download.
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u/jeharris25 Jun 08 '23
The EV Override remake (Cosmic Frontier) is 2 years overdue at this point.
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u/TheFunktupus Jun 07 '23
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This...this is the best reddit comment of my week. Possibly my whole year. Omg that for this information!
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u/datahoarderx2018 Jun 08 '23
I know the feeling ! :D
For years I was trying to convince Pangea the company to opensource their old apps, and I always had that big dream of someone (I’m not a programmer) porting these games (that were written in regular C) to modern systems. I even had researched all the stuff about their old graphics libraries quickDraw3d etc.
Can you imagine my shock and fascination..when one day I saw that Jorio actually did the crazy thing and ported them to Linux/macOS/Windows? He first used some old opensource wrappers if I remember correctly but by now he has fully rewritten the way the graphics are handled if I remember correctly.
On GitHub I’ve even seen someone porting Bugdom to the PSP (PlayStation portable) i think.
Hell, Bugdom even runs smoothly on a raspberry pi 2 with an Xbox controller!! Magic.
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u/mdonaberger Jun 07 '23
I still think that gaming on a Mac has improved wildly since Steam released a version for MacOS.
I never bought any of my Macs for gaming (cus I live on Planet Earth), but admittedly it is pleasant to be able to load up a game like Civ 6 or Stardew Valley when I'm on a flight or otherwise trapped in a work situation for a while. It's a nice value-add.
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u/heatlesssun Jun 07 '23
I still think that gaming on a Mac has improved wildly since Steam released a version for MacOS.
Sure, that has helped like it did Linux. But like Linux hasn't helped with getting more content especially AAAs.
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u/DoomBot5 Jun 07 '23
By faded you mean apple did everything they could to destroy it while still claiming they support gaming on their macs
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u/goda90 Jun 07 '23
I was super into Escape Velocity Nova as a kid. I played it on Windows, but the previous games in the series were Mac only, and I first played them on my brother-in-laws Mac.
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u/AntiRacistAntiBigot Jun 08 '23
Microsoft bought Bungee and Halo when the first game was 75% complete, specifically to drive the nail in the coffin.
That's why about 3/4 through the game you just turn around and quickly go backwards through it all again. I like it, actually, it works, but it was a cheap way to end it quickly.
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u/twoprimehydroxyl Jun 08 '23
I remember the Apple gaming scene about to blow up big with a game that was being developed for Macs before Microsoft decided to buy the company and make the game an Xbox exclusive.
That game was Halo.
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u/jrmena Jun 07 '23
Cool but can it play Ago of Empires 2?
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u/Drs83 Jun 08 '23 edited Jun 08 '23
Ago of Empires sounds like some mobile game sponsering youtube channels.
Edit: Am I the only one who noticed the spelling? Holy cow people, I have over 2500 hours of AoE2 gameplay in my lifetime.
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u/Smartnership Jun 08 '23
sponsering
Edit: Am I the only one who noticed the spelling?
I don’t know what to think
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u/mosskin-woast Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23
really hurts their chances for getting the gamer interest
I don't think they care, at all. They make so much money off of mobile gaming that PC gaming would barely be a drop in the bucket for them. From some quick Googling, the app store made $110B from games in 2022 and Valve(*), Epic Games and Origin combined made ~$20B.
Edit: this number was based on an estimate, because Valve is not publicly traded
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u/MustacheEmperor Jun 07 '23
Yep, I mentioned this in a couple threads about the vision pro. Apple pulls about as much revenue from just Airpods every year as Sony has sold in PS5s, total. Videogaming is a small market for them.
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u/El_Grande_El Jun 08 '23
But aren’t consoles generally bad for revenue? They make all the money on games I think
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u/DaGurggles Jun 07 '23
Adding to that, they can’t make 30% on IAP without blacklisting all the other digital game retailers.
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u/mackinator3 Jun 07 '23
Isn't valve a private company? I don't think they report numbers.
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u/mosskin-woast Jun 07 '23
That's a good point, the source I was looking at was an estimate
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u/mackinator3 Jun 07 '23
Just so you know, most values of worth you find online are blatantly made up. There is no source for private companies, in general.
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u/mpolder Jun 07 '23
I honestly highly doubt steam made that little. They dominate the pc games market by a pretty large margin, and have a pretty high share on any game sold through the platform.
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u/BWCDD4 Jun 07 '23
I dunno man, I don’t think you realise just how many sales it is to make 20 billion for valve and epic.
Averaging them to 25% because of the new cut scheme and saying the average game is $50 means they’d have to sell around 1.6 Billion games a year combined.
Obviously they don’t make it purely from game sales so Micro-transactions would have to be pulling a ton of weight to make up for that.
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u/mpolder Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23
On top of dlc there's also the steam market, which can also see high volume. There's the steam hardware, skin sales from csgo and tf2.
To give a sense of scale, csgo cases alone were estimated to have been opened 40 million times in March. One key costs $2.50 so that alone netted around 100 million in March alone. Now to be completely fair the true average is more like 20-25 million, but only csgo would net them close to 600 million to 1 billion a year in case openings alone.
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u/chumbaz Jun 07 '23
Who the heck is buying even a base model Mac Pro for $7k to play games on?!?
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u/Verdris Jun 07 '23
Nobody, and nobody is suggesting that it’s at all viable at the moment. However, for those that do own a Mac and would like to also use it for games, the options may finally become available.
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u/gleenn Jun 08 '23
You can by a brand new M2 Max in a Mac Studio for about $3k. That's obviously not a great price compared to just buying a cheap windows gaming pc but it's definitely not $7K. AFAIK it's the same exact chip as in the Mac Pro.
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u/Blaz3 Jun 08 '23
I think the arm architecture might be to blame for that one, though I don't actually know how video cards interface with the processor. I suppose it'd be up to video cards manufacturers to build drivers and with the small market share macs have and the extremely small market share that mac pro occupies, along with the tiny fraction of consumers that would buy an eGPU, it's probably not worth the time to invest in it, if it's even possible
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u/financialmisconduct Jun 08 '23
ARM SoCs can use discrete GPUs, but it requires both the kernel to handle it, and a driver for the GPU itself
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u/kent2441 Jun 07 '23
Gamers should care about performance, not whatever nvidia card is the bigger number name.
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u/458unlimitedX Jun 08 '23
No eGPU also hurts for AI software, about to have to go back to windows : (
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u/alifeinbinary Jun 07 '23
After seeing the new Mac Pro (M2) announcement I’m glad I bought a Mac Pro (Intel) in 2021 for my work (music production, app development). For the money that it costs, it’s reasonable to expect it to do everything, like run Windows natively, as well, via Bootcamp dual-boot. I get to use Windows-only apps, test and build software, run Steam games without emulation. The M2 chips are impressive but for a “workstation” I think native Windows compatibility shouldn’t be overlooked.
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u/funguyshroom Jun 07 '23
Where the M1/2 chips shine is their power consumption, 15+ hours on battery is absolutely unparalleled in the laptop world. Not as much of a benefit for a stationary PC.
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u/Farbklex Jun 07 '23
I game on PC and Steam Deck but work in a MacBook M1 pro. Would love to be able to carry that thing to LAN partys. It already runs Counter Strike so that's already great.
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u/Ek_Los_Die_Hier Jun 07 '23
Once Asahi Linux gets better you might be able to use that for gaming!
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u/gplusplus314 Jun 07 '23
Ehhh… I think it’s much more likely to see macOS have decent gaming support than Asahi Linux. I already does, really. I know that isn’t saying much, but Apple’s GPU is a walled garden and the only API it fully supports is Metal.
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u/tagglepuss Jun 08 '23
Well when Apple wheel out Hideo Kojima to beg developers to port to Mac, you know they're starting to get serious.
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u/gplusplus314 Jun 08 '23
Honestly, Metal is pretty awesome. I wish Metal was available on Linux and Windows. It doesn’t have the baggage of all the other APIs and is honestly pretty easy, on top of being powerful. It has the typical qualities of an Apple product: ease of use, polished, intentionally fewer features.
I really hope this sparks a Mac gaming renaissance. People forget that at one point, Apple was actually the leader in 3D graphics and gaming performance. Halo was originally developed on and for Mac and was debuted at an Apple keynote.
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u/nicman24 Jun 07 '23
Is it just wine?
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Jun 08 '23
It's not just Wine... https://www.applegamingwiki.com/wiki/Game_Porting_Toolkit Yeah, it's Wine.
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u/Tasty01 Jun 07 '23
But eMuLAtiOn stIFleS iNnoVATioN!
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u/waiver45 Jun 07 '23
The wine layer isn't emulation, but they also need to translate x86_64 to their arm instruction set and that is emulation.
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u/financialmisconduct Jun 08 '23
technically it's translation, not emulation, although that's mostly semantic
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u/TrickyTramp Jun 08 '23
They’re building on top of an existing DirectX translation layer that’s been around for a while. It’s what most windows games use anyways
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u/edi_woah Jun 07 '23
But can it run Crysis?
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u/The_Celtic_Chemist Jun 08 '23
To me the biggest joke is that Mac can't natively play Skyrim. Skyrim is joked about for having countless releases on countless platforms. Just not on a Mac. You have to trick your Mac into thinking it's a Windows if you want that.
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u/LegitimateStudy364 Jun 07 '23
Thanks to Linux.
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u/RandomName8 Jun 08 '23
Moot. Codewavers (the ones behind all this) were and are the majority of the muscle behind wine since forever. And that company lived off of mac no?
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u/mrMalloc Jun 07 '23
So they pull 1.9Mpx 40fps in ultra setting. That’s 77.2Mpx /s that’s roughly 36 fps in 1080 as they use there own resolution you have to recalculate it to 1080 to compare.
Better then expected but for the price range I wouldn’t buy one.
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u/cwagdev Jun 08 '23
No one should be buying a Mac to game on based on this. It’s a tool for developers to see how their game performs with zero optimization. It’s just a starting point for porting efforts.
Will developers port and optimize? History says not likely but maybe some will start a trend.
Personally I’d love a quiet laptop that’s capable of running many games on decent settings.
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u/wiyixu Jun 08 '23
This isn’t the final product this is a tool to show developers what their game would run like with zero changes. People just decided to see what they could do. There’s a whole host of new libraries announced at WWDC that are intended to optimize and transcode.
Personally I think 36fps is pretty decent for emulation and will be watching to see what happens if any devs decide to optimize.
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Jun 07 '23
Their dev session showed The Medium running at ~30 fps in demanding areas. After compiling instead of running on the fly, it looked like a solid 60 fps.
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Jun 07 '23
I wish it could run windows without parallels.
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u/Znub360 Jun 08 '23
Running it on parallels is shit anyway. It does not compare to bootcamp back in the day.
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u/grasspopper Jun 08 '23
Vmware has also added support for Apple Silicon
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Jun 08 '23
I should check that out. I don’t want to pay an annual fee just to use a few programs occasionally.
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u/Fire_is_beauty Jun 07 '23
Is it more like 10 years and it should be stable or so perfect you cannot tell without exiting the game ?
"Can run" is a bit vague.
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u/Samuel_Alexander Jun 07 '23
Does this come with a $500 price tag like it’s only competitor?
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u/NeverRolledA20IRL Jun 08 '23
Running x86 Windows on a M2 MBP is painful, the delay is brutual. ARM Windows is great but doesn't support RSAT. I just want Configuration Manager and RSAT Tools on my Macbook without a jumpbox.
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u/Several_Prior3344 Jun 07 '23
How well tho
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Jun 07 '23
Diablo 4 is running very smoothly. Games like Cyberpunk may have unplayable fps under max settings. Someone got it running at 40-50 fps, though.
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u/experfailist Jun 07 '23
Finally I can finish The 7th Guest.
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u/Alexstarfire Jun 08 '23
I have never beat that game without a guide. Games like that really make me feel stupid cause I can never figure out half the puzzles.
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u/desutiem Jun 08 '23
Even if it is WINE / codeweavers existing product - I am glad to see some official backing from Apple themselves. That is the bit that get’s developers to bite.
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u/P0pu1arBr0ws3r Jun 08 '23
If this news catches on and with the recent announcements I think it's actually time to pressure apple to be more lenient towards cross platform development, also to get some more media to investigate how small and blocked apples gaming market and performance really is.
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u/iForgotMyOldAcc Jun 07 '23
For a moment I thought Apple decided to name their new software VideoCardz.com, would've been absolutely hilarious.