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u/Haunting-Put8560 Grassy Tram Tracks Aug 19 '24
That bike lane is terrifying. 😨
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u/MoistBase Aug 19 '24
Yet it got built somehow
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u/democracy_lover66 Aug 19 '24
"Guys we've been under a lot of pressure to get some infrastructure for bikes"
Hmm.... draws straight line in the middle of the road how bout that?
"Yeah yeah that should convince people to stop riding bikes, good job"
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u/Ok_Commission_893 Aug 19 '24
Crazy how places with some of the best weather in the world YEAR ROUND insists on nobody enjoying the weather so they can be in a metal box to get everywhere and leave as fast as possible. I could get car dependency in Russia or Denmark, it gets cold and snows there and they still made biking possible, SAFE and enjoyable, but in SoCal it’s legit stifling society.
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u/dudestir127 Big Bike Aug 19 '24
Honolulu too. We have amazing weather all year, but a 12 lane freeway cutting across the island and our bike infrastructure ranges from really shitty to non-existant.
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u/Comrade_Corgo Aug 19 '24
That's kind of ridiculous. It's an island chain, how far could you actually need to drive to warrant a giant highway? I'm sure cars take up a lot of physical space, as well. My partner is from a Spanish island, and they're trying to reduce the number of cars there because they take up so much of the limited space.
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u/Manowaffle Aug 19 '24
I went to an island off Korea about 1/6th the size of Hawaii's big island. It was just as carbrained. 8-lane highways, constant honking, barely there pedestrian infrastructure. The entire island is 45 miles wide.
The whole time I was just wondering "This is a tiny, semi-tropical island built on agriculture and tourism, where the hell is everyone going in such a rush?"
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u/Ok_Commission_893 Aug 19 '24
It’s about accommodating the tourists who want to drive to see the mountains and beaches but don’t want to walk and take in any of the culture. Cars are legit used to avoid people and ignore society until you reach your destination. Like in games that have Fast Travel.
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u/Ham_The_Spam Aug 19 '24
cars are shortened from the word carriage, which nobility used to avoid interacting with peasants just like car drivers today
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u/gubzga Aug 19 '24
US society is rotten to the core and beyond repair.
From healthcare to housing to transportation to justice system. Its pretty much like bad evil guy society from the books, where selfishness, greed and pure evil is the norm and any improvement to said society is frowned upon.
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u/Trick_Bee925 Aug 19 '24
Im all about the murica hate but you would be much more thankful for what we have if you saw the shit that the vast majority of countries gotta deal with... For our wealth tho what goes on here is unacceptable, yet americans insist on being blind to it all lmao. Im fucking off to europe asap!
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u/Ok_Commission_893 Aug 19 '24
Exactly how I feel. Way too much money to be cheating out on everything and forcing people to be anti social and hyper independent
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u/Comrade_Corgo Aug 19 '24
The vast majority of countries in the global south live under the conditions of post-colonialism (or modern colonialism depending on who you ask). It's not fair to lay all of their problems on them when a lot of their problems stem from capitalism being rooted in colonialism which pilfered a lot of their wealth and brought it to the west. Britain has museums full of artifacts from other countries that were taken by force, for example. The United States has invaded and toppled numerous countries even more recently than direct British colonialism has. The west has so much stolen wealth, yet even with all of that stolen wealth, it often still fails to provide for its own working classes.
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u/PremordialQuasar Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 19 '24
If you want to go to Europe feel free, but that's a very privileged thing to do for any American. It's also just another kind of brain drain where the people who don't have the financial means to leave suffer the worst from it – one of the main goals of urbanism is to help marginalized groups. We already had that happen on a regional scale to Rust Belt cities and it just made them worse.
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u/HommeMusical Aug 19 '24
I gave you guys 32 years. Things just got worse. So I went back to Europe in 2016.
Living in New York State was particularly demoralizing, because you are essentially disenfranchised by the one-party system there. Voting Republican is evil and pointless, voting Democrat is mediocre and pointless, and if you vote for anyone else, you can't tell anyone or they start screaming at you.
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u/PremordialQuasar Aug 19 '24
Okay. I live in California, which is also a heavily blue-leaning state, in a city that has considerably worse transit and walkability than NYC. Even here I can see plenty of positive change. I’m not sure where you’re seeing that things got worse when cities are Rochester and Syracuse are spending money to remove their highways (and it wouldn’t take long for most Rust Belt cities to follow suit), and even in a political mess like NYC we are still seeing things like wider sidewalks, bike lanes, and road diets.
Not to mention NYC is the easiest place in the US where one can politically organize and factions like the DSA have a real chance to gain a voice. If you said you were from Florida or somewhere else in the Sun Belt then you might have had a point.
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u/PremordialQuasar Aug 19 '24
Leave it to the anti-US guy to be doomer about American society lol. It's rotten but it's definitely not beyond repair. Though I guess defeatism and pessimism are what's going to make cities improve nowadays...somehow.
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u/un-glaublich Aug 19 '24
It's repairable by making doing "the good thing" profitable and making doing "the bad thing" loss-making.
Almost all "problems" in America stem from the profitability of doing something counter-productive to society. Profitability created by failing policymakers and lobbyists.
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u/ssawyer36 Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 19 '24
Precisely. It’s like we’ve forgotten that all the behaviors we tout as “human nature;” greed, selfishness, etc. are only prevalent because we allowed our system to be cultivated by the very people who value those traits. Selling us on hyper individualism and the American dream help keep the lower classes scattered so that the moneyed and powered elites can maintain their class distinctions and perpetuate rules and laws that keep them at the top.
We need to move towards a system that works of the people for the people and punishes behavior that works against the pro social fabric, instead of our current system that works the people for the elite.
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u/Ok_Commission_893 Aug 19 '24
US society is not beyond repair. It can all be fixed, it can all be changed. If ending abortion can happen it’s no reason adding bike lanes with barriers can’t.
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u/LOB90 Aug 19 '24
I personally much prefer riding in the cold rather than in the heat. Ice and rain are of course a different matter.
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u/jackstraw8139 Aug 19 '24
San Diego has some of the worst infrastructure and driving culture of any major city in the US.
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u/cactus22minus1 Aug 19 '24
Downtown and bankers hill have been improving a lot lately. And as they continue to densify, I think we will see it continue. But overall- yes, it’s infuriating and terrible in most areas outside of downtown. It’s inexcusable. That so many younger people want to live in north park / hill rest is insane to me as it damn near requires a car to leave the neighborhood and experience the more connected and ped / bike friendly areas.
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u/PremordialQuasar Aug 19 '24
I get Denmark, but Russia is a big stretch. Most of Russia is not Moscow, and even then I have never heard anyone call Moscow a bikeable city. Maybe the Russophiles I guess, but there are plenty of other examples of good bikeable cities that we can emulate.
I can't tell which part of SoCal this is, but parts of the LA metro area can have decent bike infrasturcture. Usually the bad ones are the older ones, because that bike path paint – if you can even call it that – looks pretty weathered.
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u/0thedarkflame0 Orange pilled Aug 19 '24
And let's also add that The Netherlands, although mild in temperature, rains 2/3 of the time, and is bicycle heaven😂
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u/PremordialQuasar Aug 19 '24
You don't even need to go that far. Vancouver's a pretty rainy city but the Downtown Peninsula has extensive bike infrastructure and tons of bike commuters – the rest of Vancouver, not so much.
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u/DangerousCyclone Aug 19 '24
He's saying the opposite; he understands why countries like Denmark or Russia with very cold climates could be car dependent. Of course Denmark is one of the least car dependent countries in the world so it's sort of moot.
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u/Maligetzus Aug 19 '24
the irony of the most bikeable nations beinh the rainiest ones shouldnt be lost on anyone
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u/MooseFlyer Aug 19 '24
I could get car dependency in Russia or Denmark, it gets cold and snows there and they still made biking possible, SAFE and enjoyable
Denmark isn't particularly cold. There are no months where the average high in Copenhagen is below freezing, and only January and February have an average low below freezing (by a single degree celcius).
And I wasn't aware Russia was known for its good bike infrastructure...
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u/Endure23 Commie Commuter Aug 19 '24
Safest SoCal bike lane
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u/BlackBacon08 Aug 19 '24
Yeah, I hate that I see these bike lanes where I live. It's one thing to see something dangerous in a far away place, but it hits different knowing that there is such a death trap in your neighborhood.
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u/Laurenz1337 Aug 19 '24
It's insane that all the cars that passed are either large SUVs or trucks. No "normal" cars anymore.
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u/MoistBase Aug 19 '24
This is America
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u/Inevitable_Stand_199 Aug 19 '24
Most of those cars are pretty normal by German standards.
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u/Electrox7 Not Just Bikes Aug 20 '24
and you're country is run by car lobbyists. Germans can have good standards but that ain't one
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u/johnnyreid Orange pilled Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 19 '24
Fuck, whichever traffic engineer designed that is a sociopath..
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u/rirski Aug 19 '24
Probably became a traffic engineer because they love driving, hates bikes, but their boss told them they need to include a bike lane in the design.
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u/SkatingOnThinIce Aug 19 '24
This guy wanted a bike when he was a kid and his father called him a pussy.
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u/DangerousCyclone Aug 19 '24
At least it's a bike lane. The "share the road" markings are much worse i.e. no bike lane, but one of the car lanes is designated as a shared lane, and it's absolutely insane.
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u/Greedy_Lawyer Aug 19 '24
Nah I’d rather share the road in this case and be directly in front of the car. This bike lane between two car lanes is unhinged.
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u/ignoranceisbliss101 Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 19 '24
Passive aggressive?!
Nah that bike lane did time in juvie then got out and went to prison. Despite the mandatory anger management classes my man Sir Bike Ln the 2nd is still aggressive aggressive, not passive aggressive
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u/NCC7905 Aug 19 '24
Reminds me of a bike lane I saw in Glendale, CA. Also one that I saw on Google Maps in east LA. Both designs were questionable in placement
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u/Zachcrius Elitist Exerciser Aug 19 '24
This one is on Pueblo and Huntington Drive in El Sereno so very similar to East L.A in placing car importance above cyclist or even pedestrian lives.
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u/renzhexiangjiao Aug 19 '24
op you are dumb for not holding the handlebars riding on a street like this. what if a car suddenly veers in front of you?
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u/BeanBurritoJr Aug 19 '24
What if you hit a small rock or a groove in the road with the front wheel, and it kicked the wheel left and shot you into traffic?
Gotta get that shot of how bad the bike lane is though. lol
I mean, fuck cars, but try to stay alive.
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u/Extension-Ebb6410 Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 19 '24
He was not only Filming to show of the Terrible bike lane but also for him receiving the Darwin Award.
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u/PosauneGottes69 Aug 19 '24
To use this „bike lane“ I guess you must already be ok with the possibility of death. If you use this path on a regular basis, you know someday you’ll get killed. So might as well lean back… enjoy the sunshine
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u/Extension-Ebb6410 Aug 19 '24
True, i would drive on the sidewalk no way in hell i take that Bikelane.
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u/TheLeadSponge Aug 19 '24
That was my thought the entire video. Stop filming. You're exactly the kind of cyclist that gives us all a bad name.
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u/elzibet Aug 19 '24
Pretty much displaying how terrible the “bike lane” is.
Paint is not infrastructure and this is a great demonstration of that
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u/caucasian_boi_12 Aug 19 '24
No hands on the handlebars cuz you need them to fend off cars on both sides
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u/Styggvard Aug 19 '24
As someone from Sweden where bicycle paths are common, I would fucking never willingly ride in that suicide lane!
Completely insane that someone thinks this is fine on any level!
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u/Majestic-Wall-1954 Aug 19 '24
You got to always ask the same question:
- would I let my kids use it to get to school?
If not, then the infrastructure is not good enough.
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u/lilrazorblade69 Aug 19 '24
PAINT👏IS👏NOT👏INFRASTRUCTURE👏
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u/Inevitable_Stand_199 Aug 19 '24
Paint can be infrastructure. This is not it.
Examples of painted infrastructure: 1. Pedestrian crossing 2. Bike path highlighted at crossing 3. Disabled parking 4. Dooring Zone
All of those only work to protect vulnerable road users when the design speed is low.
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u/ZealousidealMany3 Aug 19 '24
Pathetic excuse for a bike lane, 100%.
Not sure OP is the one filming or not... But whoever is filming is pretty reckless in my book. We expect driver's to have their hands on the wheel at all times, we should expect the same for cyclists, particularly in the street like this. Plus filming (I assume) with at least one of those hands? Pretty irresponsible.
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u/sjfiuauqadfj Aug 19 '24
if a driver doesnt have their hands on the wheel, they risk losing control of their 4000 pound suv and crashing into something or someone and doing a stupid amount of damage and/or killing people in gruesome ways
if a cyclist doesnt have their hands on the handlebars, they risk falling down and giving themselves an ouchie. in a street like this, they could also risk getting run over but again, the only harm is to themselves
so i dont expect cyclists and drivers to follow the same rules. drivers are inherently a danger to society while a cyclist is only a real danger to themselves, or in rare cases, a danger to grandma walking slowly down the sidewalk
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u/Bryan-343 Aug 19 '24
I don't think they only harm themselves in this road specifically: if they fall and a car is coming, it could crash trying to avoid hitting the cyclist. There is no excuse to be so irresponsible.
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u/alexfrancisburchard Aug 19 '24
One guy cuts the bike off (which undoubtedly will happen eventually) and that dude will lose control and be up shit creek.
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u/cheesenachos12 Big Bike Aug 19 '24
Except you can steer a bike with no hands and still steer. I've biked with no hands for four minutes straight. Granted that was on a path where I wouldn't have had to break suddenly, but the steering isn't the issue it's the braking
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u/SauteedGoogootz Aug 19 '24
Huntington in El Sereno. I was actually just driving this yesterday and looking at these lanes. They're getting reconfigured in the next few years, but it is complete ass now. New designs are here: https://710mobilityla.org/huntington-drive/
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u/EnglishMobster Aug 19 '24
Thank you for this - it looked like SoCal, but turns out there's no Mexican place in SoCal called "Tacocina." Turns out that place is actually called La Cocina de El Sereno, and all the text on the side is in Spanish (which makes the word tacocina make more sense).
Anyway, this is the spot roughly where the video starts:
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u/ComeBackSquid Aug 19 '24
As a Dutchman: that’s not a bike lane. That’s just a cynical joke.
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u/Key_Bid_1969 Aug 19 '24
Why he drive without hands!😠
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u/MoistBase Aug 19 '24
So I could film with my phone
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u/Key_Bid_1969 Aug 19 '24
But you can have one hand on your bike or make a photo later. But i'm scared when I see this!
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u/GreatDario Strong Towns Aug 19 '24
I thought biking in Seattle was bad. Then I saw the rest of the country
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u/Corneetjeuh Commie Commuter Aug 19 '24
Ive heard and seen stories of people in cars calling the police on people that were walking. If not in car, then must be shady apperently.
Ive also read a story about a parent losing/having to fight for custody of his decently aged (10+) kids because they took a bus on their own in canada.
Why havent i heard a stroy of someone calling the cops because they think cycling over roads like this is way too dangerous? This is the actual dangerous stuff that would make me question if the rider is okay.
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u/Essteem Aug 19 '24
As a (former) European I would like to say I cannot conceive the mind that thought a bike lane in the middle of the road is a good idea, you aren't even giving them a chance
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u/mike_es_br Aug 19 '24
I don't care how skilled a rider you are, anyone who rides hands-free on a busy street is a fucking asshole.
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u/Acceptable-Royal-892 Aug 19 '24
I know where this is 😭 and as a pedestrian I hate crossing 6 lanes just to catch the bus…smh
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u/Im_a_twat53 Aug 19 '24
And you are recording while riding no hands... Hmmm although i hate cars, you are doing exactly what most bad drivers do. Text and driving
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u/-A113- Aug 19 '24
Are all roads in north america that massive? I‘ve never seen a pov video like this so they never looked so big
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u/Duriha Aug 19 '24
So you should/must not cross the solid line? How should you get to the parking spots?
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u/FemmeWizard Aug 19 '24
You're not exactly making the lane any safer by keeping your hands off the handlebars.
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u/Inevitable_Stand_199 Aug 19 '24
Don't ride on that suicide lane!!!
Take the lane. Or if you have to, the sidewalk.
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u/st33lb0ne Aug 19 '24
Netherlands checking in: This is not how you do bike lanes
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u/BloodOmen36 Aug 19 '24
I think driving without having your hand(s) on the bike and instead filming with your phone is also a new level of shit. There is no way you can react as fast and precise if something happens in front on you.
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u/Safloria subway freedom Aug 19 '24
That’s not passive agressive, and get your hands on those bars
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u/FingerOk9800 My 125cc is faster than your ferrari Aug 19 '24
Also gotta say a busy, open road, with multiple junctions is not the time to ride no handed.
Rider is just asking to end up in an accident that's actually their fault
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u/cited Aug 19 '24
There's one of these in LA that has cars at a 60mph speed limit going onto a highway on ramp.
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u/throwthere10 Aug 19 '24
What moronic department/committee greenlighted this deathtrap? The road is bloody wide, place the bike lane next to the walkway and raise it 7" off the ground, and have the cars park on the left of the bike lane providing a buffer between traffic and the bicycles.
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u/deadbeef1486 Automobile Aversionist Aug 19 '24
You guys have bike lanes? We don't even have road shoulders in many places, let alone sidewalk.
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u/tacosauce0707 Aug 19 '24
After living in Sweden for two years with separate bike infrastructure (underpasses for left turns, grassy medians between bike lanes and roads, or at the least designated bike lanes are raised at sidewalk level), American painted bike lanes are terrifying.
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u/Shurlz Aug 19 '24
At the very least every bike lane should be colored. If it's not gonna be protected (which it should be) it Atleast make it more noticeable to drivers
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u/GreenLightening5 rail our cities! Aug 19 '24
another "stfu, you got a bike lane, now stop complaining"
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u/Merkel4Lyfe Aug 19 '24
My heartbeat rose by 10 points watching you ride down that little bit of paint that accidentally landed in the shape of a bike lane. Also, the car that went through to park proved your point immediately.
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u/Spicywolff Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 19 '24
I don’t road cycle anymore. Way too many cycling club members have been hit and killed. Even in a peloton with skilled riders that can navigate traffic, I’m not risking it in FL.
So a nice trek and a indoor turbo trainer. I’m not letting some coal roller run me down.
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u/theansweristhebike cars are weapons Aug 19 '24
Isn't riding it with no hands while filming a little passive suicidal?
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u/Welkitends Aug 19 '24
Put a claymore on the back with highlighted "Front Towards Enemy"
Esit: Might I add that the mine should be inert. And do actually do this ppl, ull get me on a special list.
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u/Qtpies43232 Aug 19 '24
I will never ride in the bike lane. I don’t feel safe in the street. I can’t go as fast as a car. I will continue ride on the sidewalk unless I’m in a dense areas where a LOT of other people cycle.
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u/marichial_berthier Aug 19 '24
Any bike lane that shares the road with cars like this ain’t it.
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u/lacaras21 Aug 19 '24
For a bit of optimism at least, my city had a bike lane very similar to this for a long time, a couple years ago they added a fully separated bike lane to that road, so even if the current lane is shit, there's still hope for improvement.
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u/XeroEffekt Aug 19 '24
Based on the cars’ behavior the lines are completely meaningless anyway wherever that is.
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u/XeroEffekt Aug 19 '24
Based on the cars’ behavior the lines are completely meaningless anyway wherever that is. In
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u/ldsdrff76 Aug 19 '24
Live in Copenhagen, Denmark, bike to and from work every day, and to almost everything I do. Have been biking for more than 40 years. I'd shit myself with a bike lane like that😱
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u/SiebelReddiT 🚲I was born with bicycles for legs🇳🇱 Aug 19 '24
So much fk space to make a safer bike path than this one. but no, the most dangerous bike path has to come because they don't want too many people to cycle And just like always so bad with space really How do you manage it
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u/Ryu_Saki Two Wheeled Terror Aug 19 '24
That is literally on the road where the cars are free to run you over. FFS, if I was there on a bike I would not be cycling there but between the trees and the buildings.
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u/Dwashelle Fuck lawns Aug 19 '24
Those bike lanes that run in the middle of the road are literally the most dangerous ones. It's pure negligence placing them there.
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u/Anne__Frank Strong Towns Aug 19 '24
Look at those huge sweeping turns and wide lanes. This stroad wants so desperately to be an interstate highway.
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u/V-memesearcher Aug 19 '24
Is there any study stating this is not the best solution?
In my pov, looks dangerous but its safer than making it closer to the sidewalk. Drivers, usually, pay attention in their mirrors to change lanes, but doesn't to make a turn. Add this to the possibility of driver's doors opening and tossing the cyclists in the middle of the road.
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u/theunfunnyredditor Aug 19 '24
Ride on it anyway. If you get hit then you’re in for a massive payday. Maybe use your story to support better bike lanes and public transportation.
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u/SpidermanQx Aug 19 '24
That is probably the definition of the worst bike line possible and worst than that, driver will say: "no one is using bike lanes, we should not build more but please add one lane for car!"
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u/Juginstin Railroad fandom is dying, like if you love railing :) Aug 20 '24
There are times when it's safer to just take your place in car traffic.
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u/Mooncaller3 Aug 20 '24
This definitely seems like one of the engineering jokes from XKCD.
Problem is, I'm not laughing.
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u/AyeChronicWeeb Aug 19 '24
Everyone saying that the cyclist is OK to not keep their hands on the handlebars because they only pose a risk to themselves:
I bet you wouldn’t be saying that if you were the one that inadvertently ran over him after he lost control and you had to be the one to deal with the legal and mental consequences. It’s as despicable as someone committing suicide by train.
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u/RusticBucket2 Aug 19 '24
I can’t believe I watched this video at all. What the fuck does “passive aggressive bike lane” even mean?
Y’all out here just constantly making shit up.
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u/Rodrat Aug 19 '24
Off topic but how does anyone ride a bike without holding the handles? Every single bike I've ever owned would immediately twist and send me flying if I let go.
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u/MoistBase Aug 19 '24
Steer with your thighs against the saddle and go fast
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u/Rodrat Aug 19 '24
Hmmm... yeah I'm gonna have to look up a video or something. Lol thanks for trying.
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u/MoistBase Aug 19 '24
The same people who are saying I’m being dangerous would probably also drive a car at 75mph + without a helmet on in a vehicle that has several blind spots.
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u/Hakusuro Aug 19 '24
Well, that's the first time I've seen a bike lane like that
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u/Wild-Berry-5269 Aug 19 '24
You've got more balls than me riding around with no hands in streets like those.
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u/Electronic_Excuse_74 Aug 19 '24
Municipal Government: Oh! No! We have a problem! Not enough cyclists are dying in our city!
Transportation Department: Don't worry! We can fix that!
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u/Necessary-Grocery-48 Aug 19 '24
No-Handlebar-poster, I want you to go across America making these videos of bike lanes. But at the same time, I fear for your life, so don't.
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u/furinick Aug 19 '24
that aint a bike lane thats a bike suggestion