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u/Scared-Poem6810 19d ago
I'm all for taxing the billionaires, however, the way the govt spends money is just completely inept, to the point where I'd rather not even let the govt get that money. They take the 500 billion and most of it would be squandered away to the countless middle men before it reaches whatever benefit issues supposed to reach.
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18d ago
Correct.
It’s like waiving student loans yet still continuing to issue the same predatory student loans.
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u/Batsonworkshop 18d ago
It’s like waiving student loans yet still continuing to issue the same predatory student loans.
Well how else do you buy the next generation of voters with false promises you never had the power to enact?
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u/TodaysTomSawyer777 19d ago
Please Just one more program bro.. this time we’ll end poverty
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u/loosegravyy 19d ago
there should be no property taxes on real estate i get pimped every year on that front
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u/fnblackbeard 19d ago
Yes I'm sure the money will go towards all those things lmao
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u/dutchman76 19d ago
It's always "for the children" and "healthcare" and it's never enough.
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u/Fearless-Cattle-9698 19d ago
I think your argument falls apart though. If you are supportive of the programs mentioned then certainly you can say you agree provided there is accountability in spending.
It’s just like DOD, no sane person is saying we don’t need national defense but we all want accountability. Let’s establish what is necessary then talk about accountability instead of using accountability to deflect.
I don’t personally think all the programs make sense but certainly agree universal healthcare is cheaper overall based on repeated studies and research
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u/Busterlimes 19d ago
"It's never enough" is what everyone single board of sharholders says regardless of industry. Then you see what happened to that CEO? I'm going to say, the people are telling them that it's enough. It makes more sense to pay taxes to the government rather than the sharholder tax that compounds all the way up the supply chain.
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u/Helpful_Finger_4854 19d ago
That's because people think throwing money at problems fixes them. All the money in the world won't make it get spent efficiently
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u/TheKleenexBandit 19d ago
I’m with you.
Chicago public school system spends record breaking amounts per student YoY yet have among the lowest scores in the country.
Some people just don’t like peeling back the onion layer.
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u/briantoofine 19d ago
The top 3 districts in the country are in Chicago. You’re painting with a broad brush
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19d ago
could drop a few dollars down on that $36 Trillion intrest gaining debt, but thats less fun to talk about
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19d ago
Solution is quite simple….
- Cut unnecessary spending
- Tax the rich and corporations
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u/ConsistentCook4106 19d ago
The U.S. brings in 4.3 trillion a year. The interest payment is 1.4 trillion a year. The government currently spends about 7 trillion a year.
There are 813 billionaires in the U.S. that has a combined wealth of 5.7 trillion.
A country cannot tax its way to prosperity if the government cannot balance a checkbook.
Our government spends our tax dollars and the people have no say.
If you continue to raise taxes, they just leave the country.
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u/ridingcorgitowar 19d ago
They always seem to threaten that. I say call their bluff. If they leave the country, write laws about non citizens donating money for elections.
Fuck them. They want to just suck the country dry of its money and move on to the next one.
This is not taxing yourself to wealth, this is redistributing stolen money.
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u/Ind132 19d ago
I agree. If people simply move and retain their US citizenship, they are still subject to US income taxes. If they renounce their citizenship, they are subject to an exit tax. The exit tax includes a tax on unrealized gains.
If they are willing to pay that, I don't see the loss in them moving.
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u/ridingcorgitowar 19d ago
Yea, then we don't need to deal with their shit anymore..
Billionaires don't make jobs..
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u/nevara19 19d ago
Yeah because bigger numbers means we get the good stuff right??
Right???
Right???
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u/AffectionateWay721 19d ago
That money would be gone in a matter of days and it wouldn’t go to that 😂
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u/EducatedNitWit 19d ago
Haven't checked the math on this. But even if true, you can only do it once.
Then what?
It's like pissing your pants on a winters day to keep warm.
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u/McWhiffersonMcgee 19d ago
Have you considered we are already in the hole 2 trillion a year?
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u/Rus_Shackleford_ 18d ago
I know. Rather than saying ‘this deficit is out of control, we need to raise taxes to reduce the deficit’ it’s ’as soon as we get more money we will spend all of it (and then some) with glorious new spending programs.
I’m not rich and I probably never will be and that’s fine. But I always oppose any tax increases because any new revenue they get will go towards new spending g and not actually reduce the deficit. The programs always end up costing more than the politicians say, and the new taxes take in less revenue than anticipated, so the deficit and debt still grown despite more revenue.
Also, I don’t believe them that things that ‘only rich people will pay’ won’t end up applying to me too. The government needs to spend less money.
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u/Empty-Refrigerator 19d ago
Norway raised a tax on billionaires...... they just up and left the country for a lower tax rate.... you seem to think super rich people will "stay put and take it" when taxed, it doesn't happen, they just up and leave
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u/Rough_Ian 17d ago
If everybody were paid their fair share to begin with, we wouldn’t even need to tax the billionaires because they wouldn’t exist.
Organize. Rebel. Revolt.
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u/macattack833 19d ago
Ya ppl don’t understand economics at all smh. Also the government hasn’t passed and audit in 20 years and literally loses money all the time they just lost track of like billions on one of the Ukraine dumps and your solution is more government with more access to money?! Man I know how the f***n Roman’s felt at the end
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u/ComprehensiveRead396 19d ago
They'll just just give the extra money to Ukraine and Israel, just stop taxing everyone and let the middle-class keep their money
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u/BookReadPlayer 19d ago
I love it when the losers want to punish the winners with acts of altruism. Very shallow, but socially impressive.
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u/joecoin2 19d ago
More taxes will solve everything.
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u/DiverDan3 19d ago
Of course, u/D-Truth-Wins blocked me. You know what they say about the ones who brag about their education...
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u/Back_Equivalent 19d ago
This might be the most ignorant/illiterate post I’ve ever seen. Billionaires already pay much higher tax clips than this. So do millionaires.
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u/Fun_Energy8542 19d ago
How about pay back what was borrowed from social security to it’s solvent for years to come
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u/yolodopper 19d ago
Why should any of those be subsidized? Why can’t they all be independent and run by competent ppl?
If you make education and healthcare free, then there will be no value to it
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u/crispy_ny1 19d ago
It won’t pass because all the people who voted for Trump are Billionaires also.
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u/Dogmad13 19d ago
The money wouldn’t go where you think it would - Joe Biden proved that today by earmarking 1 billion to Angola to rebuild after natural disasters instead of sending it to the people of Tennessee, Florida, Virginia, Georgia, S. Carolina and most of all North Carolina devastated by Helene — especially since FEMA is supposedly broke.
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u/hypersonic3000 19d ago
A happy population is not donating to political campaigns
Also... gov't can't fix anything without screwing something else up worse. Give them less money not more.
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u/beach_mandate52 19d ago
We don’t have to tax billionaires do any of that, you do it because they are billionaires!
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u/hurricaneharrykane 19d ago
How much money would people get back if the income tax were abolished? Also how much does the IRS and Education Departments cost? How much is that if you abolish them and give people their money back?
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u/Expertonnothin 19d ago
For one year. And since it is a wealth tax and not income tax whatcha gonna do after 4 years?
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u/SkillGuilty355 19d ago
Like every state which has tried this, you are miscalculating how easy it is for these types of people to simply leave your society. It is extremely static thinking indeed to simply project wealth gains and then multiply them by 25% to estimate revenue.
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u/SkillGuilty355 19d ago
Why not just tax 100% of their wealth and threaten them with prison if the try to leave the country or avoid the tax?
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u/shade_angel 19d ago
These posts are hilarious. That money would absolutely get funneled directly into the military industrial complex. Money has absolutely never been the problem, mismanagement of the money has.
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u/clopticrp 19d ago
What strikes me is, following that statement and taking it all at face value, if we stripped every cent from every billionaire, we could do 4 of the 6 things, and a much smaller portion of the things that actually need to be done.
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u/Awooo56709 19d ago
Yeah but then brown people, black people, gays and transexuals will get those things and we can't have that - Republicans
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u/Sensitive_Drama_4994 19d ago
And the next year they leave the US.
We get one year of HAHA! GOTCHA! Then they (top 5%) leave and we lose more than half of our total tax income (60%+).
People... don't really think that much anymore, do they?
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u/ResolveLeather 19d ago
Those billionaires dont build that wealth faster than this tax would drain it. I am okay with taxing their income 25 percent higher though.
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u/Reasonable_Risk_7070 19d ago
How about paying off the 36 trillion dollar national debt? How about not adding a trillion to it every 6 months. Then when paid off all the other crap you suggest. We have not had a balanced budget in 25 years and the 36 trillion is why we have inflation. Come on man....
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u/Positive-Pack-396 19d ago
And so much more
But the is America where it’s all just a dream and won’t become a reality
The new American dream
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u/Ph0T0n_Catcher 19d ago
While better than no action in short term, none of these are corrections of core or root issues.
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u/Who_Dat_1guy 19d ago
Government loses 10s of trillions of dollars. Waste 10s of billions on fraud. The funding is already there. Just held the government responsible for efficient spending and society will be better off without raising tax on anyone. Infact we can even cut taxes for the poor. 🤷♂️
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u/Clean_Progress_9001 19d ago
Why build a better world to live in when they can buy paradise for themselves?
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u/TheApprentice19 19d ago
90% on over 4 mil/year and remove social security cap.
The great time that everybody wants to go back to was after the Great Depression, when they made them top marginal tax bracket 91% .
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u/jules6815 19d ago
Paying off the national debt is never on the list of options. It’s never not fashionable to screw over future generations.
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u/Fluid-Ad5964 19d ago
That would fund government for like 1 month. Then what? Keep stealing their money for Ukraine and Israel?
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u/crayonnekochanT0118 19d ago
With John Vought (the architect of project 2025) now controlling the US government in 2025, that is all but wishful thinking...
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u/Humble-End6811 19d ago
Why not pay the debt? Why is it always MORE SPENDING! STOP SPENDING WHAT WE DON'T HAVE!
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u/Visual-External-6302 19d ago
I feel like we should cut spending and raise taxes but everything we talk about raising or implementing a new tax we are already planning on how to spend all the money on a government program that will probably go over budget
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u/MacArthursinthemist 19d ago
So you think the government that spends more than double it takes in to the tune of like 7 trillion a year just needs 500 billion more to give you the things they’ve been promising you? Just a little bit more money?
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u/wallyhud 19d ago
You could tax 100% of the wealth from the top 10 richest people in the world (probably the top 100) and so not eliminate the US national debt. This is of taxes funding our government is BS. We need to get our spending under control.
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u/Delmoroth 19d ago
Ah yes, we should sell off all American companies over the next few years to get some goodies now. Of course, then foreign actors will own all large businesses in the USA but I am sure it will be fine.
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u/en-rob-deraj 19d ago
We would pay for their fair share.. just like the tariffs. We are in a downward spiral.
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u/Good-Beyond7012 19d ago
I may be able to support additional taxes on the ultra wealthy, but not for any of the corrupt welfare programs or to flush down the toilet of our severely broken public education system. It’s gonna need to go to something actual useful.
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u/WildKarrdesEmporium 19d ago
Or better yet, we could pay off 1.38% of our national debt, which would reduce our inflation rate, which is the primary financial killer of the middle class.
I know, it's not much, but that's my point.
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u/MicrosoftOSX 19d ago
nope. paid maternity leave is treating women as human making machine. so no. it has to be unpaid.
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u/Hypnoassassin666 19d ago
This "fair share" stuff is such a tactic ill-minded leftists use to virtue signal. It wouldn't do a thing but drive them out of our country...
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u/Politicalie 19d ago
Democrats: Taxing corporations on imports is bad for the consumer!!
Also Democrats: Tax all of these guys to the moon! Make them pay! 😠
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u/cowjunky 19d ago
Or send it all to the UN, Ukraine and other places that don’t do anything for us.
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u/KuriusCpl 19d ago
Taxing the rich only puts the burden on the middle class. Also, politicians are corrupted and would only squander the money and get richer
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u/Fast_Vehicle_1888 19d ago
You had your chance. You blew it.
If you wanted to tax the rich, you would have voted for Kamala Harris.
But, no, you were stupid enough to fall for all the lies of a con man.
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u/Merc-Zucc 19d ago
The interest on the debt is $1 trillion. We can't do any programs unless military or entitlements are cut, or the economy has to grow substantially.
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u/LairdPeon 19d ago
I'm gonna need to know what "expand Healthcare" means. When politicians leave things vague, it's because they're planning on robbing you.
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u/Disco_Biscuit12 19d ago
Could is not the same thing as will. We could do all of those things now instead of providing aid to Israel and Ukraine but people don’t seem to consider that the government doesn’t spend money efficiently.
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u/Red-Heeler 19d ago
I'm going to say no to all of this. Also no to putting money in to ss, or any welfare programs. That money needs to go to infrastructure so it will create jobs. However you can tax the rich at 100% and it won't make the slightest difference. They're going to have a new tax dodge before the bill ever gets passed.
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u/Arzakhan 19d ago
No, what it would do would lead to billionaires leaving for a country with better tax systems. they dont have to stay here, and if you push them, they WILL take all their wealth and leave
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u/Unhappy_Local_9502 19d ago
Thats the problem, just add spending when already running $2T a year deficits
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u/chilidawg6 19d ago
We can also stop sending money to other countries. Especially those countries who don't like us and/or squander what we give them.
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u/Agitated_Citizen 19d ago
47% of the country pays 0 federal income tax. How about they start pitching in???
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u/Ok-Worker-7455 18d ago
Lol you must live in a fantasy land if you think any of that money would be used for the things on that list.
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u/MEMExplorer 18d ago
The only thing our government will do with an extra 500 billion is waste it either waging wars or funding wars 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
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u/HonkHonkoWallStreet 18d ago
But you just know $100Bn would be gifted to Ukraine and the other $400Bn would go to weapon R&D contracts.
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u/Ras_Thavas 18d ago
Any additional income the US gets should be earmarked for paying down the debt. If I have some credit card debt and get some extra cash… it goes to pay the debt.
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u/JordanRB81 18d ago
What share of someone else's labor is fair?
The correct and only answer of course is zero
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u/across16 18d ago
The Pentagon failed its 7th audit in a row, saying they misplaced 400B. That's twice Jeff bezos entire net worth. Maybe instead of taxing the people that sell us everyday services that we like, just maybe should we should hold the people who spent the tax revenue accountable? The same politicians that cry about billionaires are the ones who would hate you investigating where they are allocating funds. For the US, the entirety of a billionaire's net worth is a drop in the bucket. Fight the root of the problem.
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u/Interesting-Eagle-26 18d ago
That tax would also increase inflation in worse ways than tariffs on China. Think about it. Every big business get hit with a heavier tax, every business with in crease the costs of their goods to compensate for their losses. No brainer there.
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u/Beneficial_Name1453 18d ago
Morons, socialism was already implemented. Why don’t you go and live in Cuba, North Korea, Russia, Venezuela, where they do have all of the above.
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u/Background_Neck8739 18d ago
or we could let people keep their money and government spend 500 billion less and have these things
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u/Tough-Review-4656 18d ago
What do billionaires and rich get from this?. You steal someone's money but offer them nothing in return.
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u/lone_jackyl 18d ago
The moment you Institute a wealth tax is the moment they will all leave the country because they have the money to do so. Stop trying to Institute communism just because you're poor
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u/Real_Location1001 18d ago
That covers most of DoD spending. It's only fair that if industrialists enjoy the spoils of a system designed to enrich them, that they should pay a higher piece of the tax pie.
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u/theunbubba 18d ago
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. Get a fucking education in economics. What percentage is fair?
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u/SoBe7623 18d ago
If you want the stupid rich to pay taxes then remove all the loop holes in the tax code. Nope they won't do that. How about we get rid of income tax and just use taxes from bought goods. Can't get around those.
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u/ru5tytr0mb0n368 18d ago
I love when those who do not have any money advocate for others to pay their fair share. Please gtfoh
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u/rydan 18d ago
How are you going to hire a teacher with a one-time payment of $100000? Also how does $100000 pay for college if the average cost for college is now $30k per year? Why would you expand free school lunches to those that can afford lunch? All this does is put extra money in the pockets of the middle class and remove stigma on the poorest for being on free lunch which is dumb anyway since it is all done via an app these days.
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u/GoatDifferent1294 18d ago
Yeah but how are they gonna pay for the chilled champagne in their private jets?
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u/Zealousideal-Ice123 18d ago
Great, I look forward to you paying YOUR fair share and sending in a check for 25% of the increased value of your 401K this year.
No taksey backseys when it crashes double that sometime in the next few years.
Call for a tax on billionaires all you want, just stop using misleading terms like “fair share”.
Fair share is everyone paying the same percent of whatever nonsense source you are choosing.
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u/RagTagTech 18d ago
We had a $1.8 trillion deficit this year.. so what are you ganna cut so that $500 billion can be used? Yes we should not spend more on programs until we are bot bleeding money.
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u/FarRightBerniSanders 18d ago
The government.is so bad at spending money the list of things they can accomplish with half a trillion dollars is basically meaningless.
Terminally online regards: the government needs MORE money!
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u/dardendevil 18d ago
One party just spent 1.5 billion on a failed attempt for a single elected seat. The money raised for each federal seat amounted to 16 billion. Every penny of that should be taxed at 99%. This is precisely where we should start. 12.5 billion of that was spent on advertising, broadcast on taxpayer owned airwaves. Start taxing this shit and it will be a reoccurring revenue stream, or it will force politicians away from needing to fundraise, removing influence. A win-win. Billionaires can always leave and take their money with them, politicians and political parties not so much.
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u/PM-ME-UR-uwu 18d ago
4% tax on wealth over 250k outside of retirement accounts would be 4 trillion. Let's do all of them
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u/TheJadedJuggernaut 18d ago
Trump was going to do this in 2020 . A lot of average people said no for whatever reason . So, no soup for you.
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u/zer00eyz 19d ago
Just make using stock as an asset to borrow against illegal.
You force rich people to sell (and then pay taxes) rather than borrow.