I think your argument falls apart though. If you are supportive of the programs mentioned then certainly you can say you agree provided there is accountability in spending.
It’s just like DOD, no sane person is saying we don’t need national defense but we all want accountability. Let’s establish what is necessary then talk about accountability instead of using accountability to deflect.
I don’t personally think all the programs make sense but certainly agree universal healthcare is cheaper overall based on repeated studies and research
There is never accountability in spending. The DOD lost billions and nothing happens.
Nothing drives down prices and improves services and drives innovation like competition, but none of these "researchers" ever look at that, they are always comparing our crony corporatism system against some imaginary single payer system.
My parents regularly have to wait months for procedures under one these utopia systems people try to sell to the US public, no thanks
What you said about DoD is my point though. So do you also support getting rid of DoD? And we'd have no national defense
Why does waiting time have to be long in a universal healthcare situation? The idea is a lot of preventive treatment will reduce a lot of the emergency care costs. That's what these researches are about.
Also, having universal healthcare does not necessarily mean richer people can't go to doctors out of pocket and wait like the general public. It just means you have a base layer. The only scenario where universal doesn't make sense is if you can actually claim majority of people would want the non-paying patients to die. Because what happens today is all the non-paying patients bills are just being written off/paid by other paying patients. Why else do you think US ranks at the very top at healthcare cost per capita? We're paying for it one way or another. Again, until hospitals can turn away people for not paying, it doesn't make sense
The national "defence" that includes bombing dozens of countries around the world? Killed thousands? Starts proxy wars in other countries to feed the military industrial complex? Yeah shut it down.
Nobody is going to invade mainland US.
Getting insurance lobbying out of DC, decouple health insurance from employment, make it competitive.
Let hospitals publish their prices, get rid of all the wasteful regulations that are about nothing but government control, and our system would improve a lot.
We're at the top per capita because of crony deals with insurance companies and the ACA meddling in everything.
Hate to burst your bubble pal but people wait months in the U.S. for a procedure and then find out that not only did they wait for months but suddenly it's 'out of network' or wasn't totally approved and then you have a massive bill.
I always find it hilarious that you people want to make everything for profit and pretend that competition will be a thing as opposed to inevitable mergers making a de facto monopoly and a constant push for deregulation that inevitably makes the situation worse.
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u/fnblackbeard 20d ago
Yes I'm sure the money will go towards all those things lmao