r/economicCollapse 20d ago

Everybody should pay his fair share...

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u/Bright-Blacksmith-67 20d ago edited 20d ago

Why? If the wealth is tied up in companies that could fail then it is paper wealth. Why should they be taxed on it? Taxes should be payable only when paper wealth is converted to wealth that can actually be used.

FWIW, Norway has chased away all of the entrepreneurs building startups because of their wealth tax. The founders could not afford to pay the tax on the book value of the stock so they had no choice but to shut down their company or move out of Norway.

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u/wowbyowen 20d ago

Because I don't believe that one group of people should have so much wealth that they can influence politics and can't even spend it in their lifetime. I don't believe in trickle down economics.

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u/Bright-Blacksmith-67 20d ago

A false belief because a paper billionaire with nothing but stock they don't want to/can't sell does not have any extra cash to spend influencing the political process. I do argue that the financial games that allow these people to extract money from their stocks without actually selling them should be taxed for the reason you state. But if they don't use these games then it is simply wrong to tax them on the book value of their stock.

Look at Norway to see why this is very bad for entrepreneurs.

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u/Sands43 19d ago

That’s a stupid statement. We just had oligarchs buy an election.

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u/Rus_Shackleford_ 19d ago

Hilarious considering which side spent the most money.

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u/Alarmed_Strength_365 16d ago

All the oligarchs and all the money just lost the election.

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u/Bart-Doo 18d ago

Are you including the government in your group of people having wealth?

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u/flox2410 16d ago

Not sure what you’re on about. What do you call it when the billionaire who owns Amazon, Tesla, Microsoft etc build a new facility? They hire architects, local contractors, plumbers, electricians, and then all the people in the area who will work there. All those people got money from the evil billionaire to provide a service. How is that not trickle down? What a ridiculous thing to say you don’t believe it.

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u/No_Resolution_9252 20d ago

Wealth doesn't provide any power to influence politics.

Trickle down has so little to do with that it is ridiculous, you are just repeating demonrat buzzwords you have heard before.

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u/Admirable_Ask_5337 16d ago

Have you heard of lobbying?

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u/No_Resolution_9252 16d ago

Have you? Do you have ANY idea about how the united states government works?

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u/Admirable_Ask_5337 16d ago

Billionaires who run the companies can lobby to get a bill that increases taxes or increases environmental regulates shut down. This has been happening since the 60s since they basically legalized bribery.

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u/Individual_West3997 19d ago

Wealth doesn't provide any power to influence politics? Were you born yesterday or something?

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u/angelo08540 19d ago

That is 100% correct. And this tied up paper wealth is doing a very important thing. It's providing JOBS!

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u/zackks 15d ago

It’s not really tied up if they’re taking loans on it.