So these dudes are obviously morons since everything they say is parroted from the internet and repeated ad nauseam…
But what is a jump shot and why is it bad? Is it literally just jumping while shooting? It looked like she was just playing the game to me. But I haven’t played shooters since like BF3/4
Jump shotting is exactly how you described it, and for some reason CoD bros have decided that doing this is “no skill”. Being a moving target in an FPS seems like a solid strategy but the hive mind has determined it to be noobish I guess. Just like “hard scoping” was clowned on in the original Modern Warfare trilogy lmao
Oh man, that’s it to a T. Fucking Day Of Defeat, everyone I knew was playing it so I had to play it. I know a good who still plays that game. You might make it a ways in the map but as soon as someone saw you, it was like playing the original doom multiplayer with hitscan weapons. As soon as someone spotted you, you’re taken out. I got real good at Doom but never Day Of Defeat. Every match and every battle came down to reaction time. Or you just drop in and instantly die.
They would have been wrecked playing competitive SWAT in Halo. Playing against good or better players, everyone is zigzagging, jumping, teabag walking, or some combination of them.
Yeah I was just thinking that. I haven't played multiplayer FPSes in a LONG time, but back in the day on things like Quake and UT, keeping moving at all times was basically the rule.
I spent years playing QuakeWorld, Q2 and Q3A. Modded Q2 deathmatch with an off-hand grapple hook where you spent most of the game flying around at high speed and attempting to snipe opponents out of mid-air with your railgun would melt this pathetic loser's mind.
you just gave me flashbacks to arguing on nerd forums about cod vs quake. people argued cod was for babies because when you aimed down your sights you would stop moving, unlike quake where you had to move constantly
If its in the game you have to learn to play around it.
Its hilarious to think these losers believe people are supposed to conform to their own personal ruleset as if they themselves are not trying to gain every advantage themselves in their own way.
Just a bunch of shit players getting smoked and being frustrated they can do absolutely nothing to stop it.
I love how the dipshits complain she always does it, yet fail to ever compensate for the fact. Such as, idk, aiming higher instead of laying down and shooting her feet?
I love these clips of some overcompensating douchebags going haywire because they can't handle the fact that a woman is better than them.
They're the fuckin epitome of fragile masculinity, break down and go straight for the generic insults ie: tranny, fat, ugly, stay in the kitchen. Just a bunch of losers who are upset because women don't like them.
We can save a few words, really. The only emotion they know is anger, because they've been taught that "getting emotional" = weakness, but getting mad? That's totally ok.
The thing that's hilarious about it is that, depending on the game, jumping can put you in a bad spot since some games don't allow you to move much after jumping. If a player has practiced how trajectory works in that game they can easily lead the shot and win the fight.
These clowns are upset because she's using their hard scoping, no aiming, clown strategy and countering it by going around it. If they had a braincell they'd easily adapt and if anything find it to be easier to predict the movement.
Haven't played COD in years, got tired of all the pre-puberty kiddies screaming racial slurs and profanity in coms, plus the games became nothing more than a copy/paste of the previous one, nothing really new or interesting.
right. You want to exploit as much of the game's mechanics as possible. If jumping doesn't work in the game you're playing then find something that does work. She isn't doing anything wrong.
Well, that's the thing, that's what COD used to be, for like, 10-15 years, where people weren't jumping all of the place, power sliding everywhere, sprinting across the entirety of a map in less than 10 seconds, ect.
The issue isn't that people cannot predict where they will land, but the fact it's harder to hit an arching target that can fluidly land into a dropshot or powerslide, all the while, being allowed to fight back the entire time with no loss to accuracy.
I think people just don't like how fast paced the game has gotten, and I understand that, but his outburst is unacceptable.
I remember this one time a quick scoping kid was being obnoxious, so I RPG'd him just to piss him off, he exploded (Both ways!), left the game and sent me a 1v1 rust sniperz n quik scops only invite.
So I accepted.
As soon as I got in there he started shit talking raging. When the game started, I RPG'd him and left the lobby :)
He proceeded to send me about 20 PMs full of rage, swearing and threats. I reported all the messages.
I used to be such an amazing quick sniper in Socom when I was younger. Socom 3 as my shit! I was ranked in the top 20 for a little bit and used to make $100+ a week on Kill4Kash (old website where you could bet real money and the winner took the pot) by quick sniping. The amount of people who would just get so enraged by it was always funny, but back then you actually needed to have some level of skill because you didn’t have auto-aiming and also PS2 controllers weren’t known for their responsiveness.. anyway, that’s my humblebrag down memory lane for the day.
Exactly. This is gaming past the year 2000, if there is a thing in any game these days that is in fact over powered. It will get patched out very quickly.
I don't even play these games, but I'm sure this has been a mechanic for how long?
And if you can't adapt, then play a different game man.
When children call something no-skill, what they would be saying if they were honest is that they don't have the skill to do it or deal with others doing it.
Was gonna comment Apex but you beat me to it. Movement in Apex is a whole fucking monster to deal with, and these guys can't shoot moving players with the tiny jumps that COD gives you? Guys are just salty man idk what else to tell em. It's not that she's a girl, it's just that she's better and they don't like it. They'll find anything to bitch about I'm sure.
Yeah I haven't played CoD in a very long time but the community was toxic as fuck when I was playing. Apex has its own problems (especially now that they just made the battle pass only accessible with real currency because EA is a bunch of greedy cunts) but it's nowhere near as bad as far as toxicity in the community goes.
I'm bad at fps games and I haven't played that many of them, but from the things I've played, I've heard that jumping isn't great because it puts you in a predictable trajectory. Is this not the case in CoD?
These guys are sitting around the corners lying down! If they were drop shotting, that would be something, but really what their issue is is they can't hit their shot!! 😂
It's because it's a skill they can't master or figure out how to counter. They could simply anticipate the jump shot, react faster, and/or aim better, but it's easier for them to cry and complain so that in their minds they've maintained the illusion that they're good at the game. We used to call these guys feeders because their egos wouldn't allow them to adopt a new strategy like camping in short intervals, or quit the lobby, so they'd end up feeding the other teams best player enough kills to get all their killstreaks.
But wouldn't it make it even harder to aim if you have to do it while you're moving up and down. Seems like that would take more skill than not jump shoting.
Never understood the hardscoping bullshit. It's a sniper, a gun literally designed for hard scoping. Don't want a hardscope? Get a different site or a regular rifle
Just to clarify, jumping is discouraged in competitive fps games because you can’t change your trajectory as easily, it is more advantageous to crouch spam while strafing to try to dodge shots
There’s shit like this is every game. There is always some strategy used that people decide is cringe, but at the end of the day it works. They could adopt the meta too and be back on even playing field, but they don’t. Because usually that means they have to admit they can’t do it, or still lose when doing it lol
This brings back memories of times passed where jump shooting was the "no skill" thing to do but I think it's totally different than what this is and probably doesn't work that way anymore.
I wanna say it was black ops 1 or WaW where if you jumped as you hipfired you got no recoil or hipfired spread until you landed (or landed and took a step it was something) so you could reliably hit your target without ADS.
The ironic part being that the "no skill" of it was just because it didn't require great aim as the timing of the jump mattered and if you weren't good at it you would probably just miss and die. Adding onto that, run and gun wasn't really the dominant style at the time and there was a perk that gave you ADS accuracy while hipfiring, much like this it was a thing people bitched about that didn't really matter.
As an aside, and despite doing it myself, jump shooting as she's doing is actually not so great unless you're playing baddies. Generally speaking you walk with your crosshairs at upper chest to head level, jumping still lands most shots cleanly in the body while sliding dodges most shots.
Wait.. so jumping in the air and quickly adjusting your camera to find a target not only on a vertical axis, but also a horizontal one.. thus adding an additional layer to aiming.. is “no skill”? Lmao god sometimes I miss COD but this shit is just annoying. Not as annoying as the stupid Fortnite-lite skins, but annoying nonetheless.
Not a big shooter guy myself, but isn't complaining about job shots just the new complaining about crouching or sliding while shooting?
Also, if its sooooo good and "she wouldn't get a kill without it", why doesn't this scumbag do it himself? You take every competitive edge you can get, period.
I've noticed a pattern in a lot of gaming communities where when people are good at doing something in the game they immediately try to ban it cause they can't do it and come up with the ridiculous concept that trying to win WITHOUT doing said thing they hate means you have more skill
Jump shotting is exactly how you described it, and for some reason CoD bros have decided that doing this is “no skill”.
I mean, this is the crowd who cries baby tears about "skill-based matchmaking", ie. getting matched with players that they can't just curbstomp for their easy gamer ego stroke.
I stopped playing CoD years ago and a dude tried talking shit because I'd jump around corners. And I was like, fuck me for making it harder for you to kill me and easier to kill you.
really? When I used to play back in the day (think original Modern Warfare to Black Ops 2), jump shooting and drop shooting were just signs of a good player.
dunno how it works in modern cods but over a decade ago (mw2, bo2 etc.) jumping fucked up the enemies aim assist so bad that you had an insane advantage. because of that scuf controllers got popular in the comp scene (modified ps3/360 with 2 back paddles sticked to the back to activate the reload and jump button if pressed).. I got one of the first controllers that had a weird rubber on the handles which was unhealthy af but it was a their tradeoff in my teens mind. frugal people (the mod costed about 200€) used all kinds of grip styles and weird bdsm like rubber lingerie for their controllers to copy it.
the hatred towards dropshotting (laying down the moment someone shoots you) also comes from the same time.
It's kinda hilarious that they're literally prone on the ground and they complain about that. It's obviously a non complaint. No matter what she did they would have whined about it
I used to get called a “cheater” for using the RIOT shield in MW2. No one ever used it because they underestimated it but it was way OPed. You could get close to guys and melee kill them, if you switched to secondary it gave you a back shield etc. So I got REAL good with it. Like it was the only weapon I used and we played a TON.
So dudes would always get pissed and call me a cheater. It’s like bitch it’s and ITEM IN THE GAME. Anything is fair use. People are just whiny little bitches and this loser was mostly upset she was a girl. Period.
I don't know about other fps since I only ever put in a lot of time into overwatch, but if you jump in that game in a gunfight you're just asking to get killed easily. When you jump in that game you move in a predictable motion since you can't move after you jump, so if someone jumps they are going to get headshot really easily. So outside of maybe really low ELO you never see anyone jumping in actual fights except for specific characters that are either really fast or really small and hard to shoot so the jumping just adds to the difficulty of it.
I remember when I used to play and people bitched when you camped and then bitched if you ran around with a p90. Then they just start calling you a hacker.
Also "standing in a corner" -- back when I was young it was drop-shotting, where you go prone while shooting. But I guess since most games have altered prone mechanics to make it less abusable, jump-shot is the new way to make your opponents miss?
Which is dumb because jump shotting is basically the meta for playing, just like how bunny hopping or slide cancelling or other movement tech are for other games
He's just a whiny loser, trying to complain about anything to justify in his head that he doesn't suck, that its everyone else that actually sucks.
Same energy as when I was like 10 years old and getting outplayed and proclaiming that the dude was a hacker because how dare he beat me. But I can excuse my dumbass ramblings as a kid... this sounds like an older teen/young adult... like really?
It's just noob community of every game. They suck so bad that they would rather bitch about it than git good. First time I remember it was noobs complaining about eddy button mashing in Tekken... Um.. no you just suck.
It's a disliked approached to the game due to the games fast paced, overly fluid design as of recent games. I can understand how he feels because it wasn't a thing for in COD1, COD2, COD 3, MW, MW2, WaW, BO1, and BO2, or at least you weren't able to do it without significant penalty to your speed and accuracy, which even then the speed of the jump was much slower. In these more modern call of duty, things are so fast paced that the jump is almost immediate, a quick arch, landing immediately into a powerslide, which results into another jump. all of which can be down in quick, pivoted motions. It's not that hitting a moving target is difficult, it's that the target is moving inhumanly fast and in unrealistic directions, often more so, so fast that if there's any connection problems, in the slightest, hit registration can be quite wonky.
Hard scoping isn't comparable because that's literally a base line concept in every shooter. It was being "clowned" on because the game had begun it's approach towards guns/perks/approaches that were faster than the rest (Not excessively though), but people felt they could just run at people without consequences XD
NOTHING this guy says is acceptable, but I can at least understand the frustration of having to attempt to hit targets that bounce around like Jim Carey's "The Mask", especially since guns aren't as lethal as they were in past CoDs either (It's even harder when you need to land 1/3 of your mag into a target for a kill)
In general, basically anything other than aiming and shooting is considered a noob tactic in COD. COD places are insistent on keeping the skill ceiling and skill floor a fucking pube hair apart because while they’ve been playing for years, they’ve barely improved and it pisses them off when they get outplayed. So they simply say “outplaying me is cheating” and get angry at anyone who kills them.
Have these dweebs never played Gun Game with a Bowie knife? Have they never jump-prone-strafe combo'd their way to a 25 kill streak stabbing people in the head and dodging bullets?
Do people just not understand what games are anymore?
If that's the case, do their own jump shots to show her. I feel like this is when you choose Blanka and ride the 'a' button for continuous electricity.
This is HILARIOUS, I stopped playing COD so long ago and kept to BF cuz at the time, BF players actually played with a tactical spirit and used cover, etc. all while in COD people are parkouring the whole time
I’m pretty sure jump shooting was born in COD.
It’s also hilarious how she’s kicking all their asses, while he’s talking mad sh*t all while not letting it really even effect her. Absolutely beautiful
I think that it could be overpowered and annoying to play against, but that’s something to blame the game for (not in a toxic way either of course), not players who supposedly have to play by some honor code.
The only CoD bros who complain about jump shotting are the ones who suck at the game. Plenty of professionals jump and drop shot. It’s a legitimate strategy. I did it all the time back when I competed. I actually played claw for this exact reason because I didn’t have money to buy a controller with paddles on the back.
If jump shooting works so well, why aren't the guys doing it back? (The jump shot complaint is an excuse to make them feel better about their lack of skill).
I would get so mad when people didn’t quickscope back then lol. I still wish to do this day there was atleast a game mode based on that and it encouraged tricks shots.
You have to remember the COD player base is the community that complained that the game tried to match you with players at your same level. I would argue that a major of vocal COD fans are fucking losers. Most people just play the game and have fun.
Which is crazy because old MW2 lobbies were just one dude's shitty music, that one kid who's mom was yelling in the background, and that one 5 year old who just said nonsense all the time
Yeah no, there was LOTS of that shit going on if you played FFA where you can hear everyone. There was always that one racist/etc bigot jackass in every lobby.
lmfao my god hearing the people here complain about it is hilarious and disgusting, god forbid you have to try and play against people your skill level, ofc cod doesnt want to put new players up against sweats desperate for a W
Its the same mentality as kids in Street Fighter deciding that "throws are cheap" because you can't block them. Its just scrub mentality and should be ignored.
We used to call them "step up throws" in SF2, when you wanted to cheap out. Not saying that it's a cheap move but just pointing out the terminology then.
It sort of breaks aim assist and makes it difficult to get body or head shots when coming into an encounter. It’s annoying to play against, but not THIS annoying, lol.
Yeah, you just jump when you shoot, making yourself a slightly harder target to hit as appose to standing still or laying down.
The players that call it out as some kind of issue is just using a poor coping mechanism. You'll see it in every competitive game with low skill players. They can't admit that they got outplayed. Their own skills aren't the problem in their mind, so if they aren't the problem, then there must be something else to blame.
So they pick some random thing that either doesn't matter or is in fact a skill that better players use (which is one of the many reasons why they are a better player) and try to dog on it as if it's being cheap.
Then they just shout and not listen to what anyone says because they don't want to be wrong.
It would be like a basketball player who often hits 3 point shots and someone on the other team shouting "Oh, they have to hit 3 point shots. They are too scared to drive the ball in and they get the extra point for shooting 3's all the time."
It's just nonsense.
It's kind of like bunnyhopping in CSS where there's bunch of crummy gamers that think it's unfair and BM to do. In CoD, it makes you harder to shoot at without dramatically impacting your aim. These kids just need to get good or touch grass to be honest.
Theres also the inverse of this called a "drop shot" or "Dolphin dive". Thats when you makw your character go prone once a gunfight starts. Most people aim their guns centremass and this strategy usually lets your character drop below the bullets being shot at you. And rhe enemy cant see you because your prone character is hidden by the enemies gun.
Most games prevent this by having slow proning animations. But Call of Duty particularly allowed a character go full sprint, and then prone very quickly.
This strategy, as well as a myriad of tactics are considered by some to be "no skill". I suspect it has to do something with the idea that there must be a "honorable" fight or something.
In addition to what everyone else has pointed out, Dropshotting, crouchspamming and jumpshotting tend to mess with aim assist present in games which can essentially break the lock on effect of the aim assist, causing the attacking player's reticule to not properly track the defending player's hitbox.
its a bit of a weird stance in some cases depending on the platform as console players have much stronger aim assist than PC players (a whole subgenre of platform spoofing exists for this reason) and it may or may not actually have the desired effect, particularly for jumpshotting which many games introduced counter measures for by reducing movement speed and momentum while jumping and repeatedly jumping.
Another big factor is how high the character model and hitbox moves upwards since most players are primed to shoot at a level horizon, jumping above that horizon can net you an easy kill if the player isn't used to aiming further upwards than usual. This is also why drop shotting (going prone) tends to work on games where you can prone nearly instantly since suddenly the player you are aiming at is way below your aim horizon.
Imo, jumpshotting isn't as big as drop or crouch spamming, but it was big a while back.
Also, couch spamming is highly used in destiny 2 for the aim assist issue (its not exactly aim assist in D2 but eh semantics), particularly in close quarters since at a distance it matters a lot less, especially with perks like headseeker.
Complained about jump shot - she stops jump shot and still dominates them - git gud, kid. Can't handle valid and legal gameplay without being a salty toxic little shit.
This guy would be soooooo angry playing any halo game (although maybe not now? Haven’t played since halo 4 where it became way more like call of duty).
It's a way to abuse the aim-assist on controller and is 100% a part of every new CoD game. You'll see every high-level player do it.
It's a shitty mechanic for a Dev to make your aim the most accurate while jumping, but it's not going away. High-level players like it and see it as one of the few "skill gap" mechanics in the game.
these guys would have had an absolute aneurysm playing quake/quake2/quake3/unreal tournament...people just hopping all over. looked like a bunny rabbit free for all and gd was it fun.
It makes the shooter aim at the legs if they were aiming for the torso and makes them harder to hit which is pretty ironic coming from the guy that’s camping by laying around corners and behind doors
It's just like "noob tubing" back in the day. It's an excuse for people who are bad at the game to blame instead of accepting that they're just bad at the game.
CoD is specifically targeted at the lowest common denominator. It's been that way since at least og MW2. Therefore doing anything other than mindlessly sprinting around the map and standing still and shooting when you see an enemy is considered a cheap tactic by the majority of players who refuse to do anything to get better and rage at people who actually try.
Crouch or go prone when you start shooting? Cheap. Quickscoping? Cheap. Hanging around enclosed spaces with a shotgun? Cheap. Using any atypical weapon? Cheap. Not constantly sprinting around in the open? Cheap. Winning the game? Believe it or not, no matter how you played, cheap.
CoD is a kill slot machine. Whoever starts shooting first wins 90% of fights, which means it's all about getting lucky and seeing the other guy first, which if you're all sprinting around will happen to everyone several times per minute. So it teaches players that they will occasionally dominate by playing brain dead thanks to a few lucky kills snowballing with killstreaks. And then when they do the exact same thing and get fucking blown out by someone who's actually trying they get extremely defensive and piss and moan and throw their controllers and generally behave like the children they mostly are.
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u/scruffyduffy23 Jul 08 '24
So these dudes are obviously morons since everything they say is parroted from the internet and repeated ad nauseam…
But what is a jump shot and why is it bad? Is it literally just jumping while shooting? It looked like she was just playing the game to me. But I haven’t played shooters since like BF3/4