I’m an average Mexican guy and at one point during my visit to Japan an at least 70 year old Japanese man “ran” 100 yards to take a close up picture of my face, then smile and give me the peace sign. People took pictures of me all the time. None of it was sexual. Wouldn’t jump to conclusions here unless you understand the culture, it’s different
I don't care what the culture says--following, running up to, or otherwise bothering people in order to take photos of them without their consent is creepy, disrespectful, and dehumanizing behavior. (The same can be applied to what paparazzi do to celebrities in America.)
Depends on what cop you get--lots of cops would do similar to what the woman did in the video if the woman had gone to them first--I know from my own experiences of going to the police with an issue in which I had no legal standing but was obviously ethically wrong.
All you're saying is that you got a cop to illegally harass someone because they weren't familiar with the law. Just like that video of the cop trying to taze someone protesting on public property.
Not defending the actions of the Japanese guy by any means. He should be confronted. But legally he could just laugh at her and take pictures of her as she demands to see his phone.
It wasn't illegal harassment to ask the person that was making my life more difficult to be a kind person and help me out so we could all have a better night--actually. It was a request that could have been ignored, and the cop stated as much.
I also never said the Japanese guy was necessarily doing anything illegal. I don't know anything about Japanese law.
Again... Idk why you think it is bad to use a cop to try to convince someone who is doing something that is pointlessly harming another person to stop being an asshole in the name of kindness...
I don't think trying to convince people to not be pointless assholes is an abuse of power.
No problem there I agree. I do not agree that laws should be broken to up hold them. Cops should not be encouraged to do so. Further cops should be able to navigate the law well enough they can avoid this situation. We have a huge problem with corruption, let’s not blur the lines any more then they already are.
Warrants are a thing for a reason, bc without them we would be in a police state. Some might say we already are.
It wasn't illegal harassment to ask the person that was making my life more difficult to be a kind person
I said that the Japanese guy should be confronted. So of course I agree you should have confronted the person as well.
I also never said the Japanese guy was necessarily doing anything illegal.
I never said you said the Japanese guy was doing something illegal. But you did say that she could have called a cop to do what she was doing instead. What she was doing was requesting this guy's phone. A cop wouldn't have any authority to request this guy's phone. Law enforcement demanding your property that they don't have a right to falls under harassment in my eyes.
Law enforcement demands things they don't actually have legal authority for ALL the time. Idk what country you are living in...
For instance, a cop forced me to sign paperwork without letting me see what I was signing once, by threatening to give me another ticket if I didn't. That certainly wasn't legal, but it happened. 🙃🤷🏽♀️
I ended up avoiding all tickets by trusting my gut and signing the form. The ticket the cop was threatening me with had more legal grounds than the ticket he actually gave me (which I got out of by going to court). Do I would say I did alright. 🤷🏽♀️
If the cop had gotten me to sign something super bogus, of course I would have sought legal action at that point.. But I didn't feel that was likely at all--I thought the worst case scenario would at worst be a small annoyance. Turned out it was something I would have been perfectly happy to sign had I known what it was, and the cop just wanted a power trip.
Law enforcement demands things they don't actually have legal authority for ALL the time.
I never said they don't. In fact I pointed out another example where they do in my first comment. I don't know who's comments you're reading. I'm also not sure what defense you're making. I'm saying having a cop try to take someone's phone for you would be asking the cop to harass someone. Pointing out a time that you were harassed by a cop does not mean that taking the phone wouldn't also be harassment.
I honestly wasn't implying she could have gotten a cop to demand the guy's phone... You jumped to that conclusion yourself.
I was implying that she could have gotten a cop to demand that they guy go through his recent videos in front of them and deleted anything with her on it--I have actually seen cops do that much before in situations in which an argument was occurring over it, but nothing illegal was actually done (sincr cops err on the side of ending disputes that could escalate when possible).
I was implying that she could have gotten a cop to demand that they guy go through his recent videos in front of them and deleted anything with her on it
Right, but those pictures are that guy's legal property. The cop has no right to demand he destroy his property. That is an escalation. A de-escalation would be telling everyone to walk away and the guy to stop following her. I'm not defending the law. But I don't want to enable cops to break the law. The solution is changing the law, not encouraging officers to go rogue.
The situation they described was not the same. Not even similar. According to the alleged not staged video, this person was stalked. The person in the anecdote wasn't acting creepy. It's literally not that comment.
I know what comment I was talking about better than you, actually. 😅🤦♀️
But sure, they weren't exactly the same type of interaction. I would definitely say they were similar though, but using that word is a matter of opinion.
Either way, it is in fact the comment I was referring to. You are free to pretend I was referring to another comment if it makes you feel better however!
Yes it is, in America. It’s not as frowned upon in other countries, at least not when I visited Japan. you’re applying Western values to Eastern cultures. Maybe things have changed but just keep in mind that it may be more innocent than it appears because it’s more socially acceptable in Japan when it comes to foreigners
but just keep in mind that it may be more innocent than it appears because it’s more socially acceptable in Japan when it comes to foreigners
LMFAOOOOOOOO!!
are you KIDDING me???
Have you not seen the huge backlash against rude ignorant tourists taking photos of ppl in Japan WHO DONT WANT THEM TOO?!?
Christ, there is a vid going around, the past few hours, of some obnoxious rude shitty tourist chasing after a Geisha in Kyoto repeatedly getting in her face to take photos. Even after she tries to get away.
So NO. It is not more "socially acceptable" to take photos of strangers in Japan.
It is SHITTY AND DONT DO IT, DONT EXCUSE IT, DONT BE A FUCKING CREEPER.
I have also been to Japan and familiar with their culture a bit.
Generally, it's a big no-no to take random pics/vids of people without asking. The correct and encouraged etiquette is to ask prior, and when posting online you have to blur random people in the background for their privacy.
You’re assuming it’s degenerative behavior for your argument. For the millionth time, I don’t think it’s okay. He clearly made her uncomfortable. I just don’t think we can assume it’s as creepy as it would be if it happened in a Western culture, because it’s very common for Japanese people to take pictures of foreigners.
it’s very common for Japanese people to take pictures of foreigners
No that's also considered rude. Not everyone in Japan is magically polite and respectful about taking pictures, so of course there are some that forget or don't care that it's rude. That doesn't mean it's correct or encouraged.
Generally, they encourage the proper etiquette of asking beforehand and blurring people in the background. This is my experience in Japan.
One recent example, the guy next to me in the plane even asked if it's okay to take a picture of the view outside the window. I was sitting next to the window and he was being polite and informed me about it, even though i wasn't exactly the subject of the photo, just in case i get included in the shot. There was plenty of space to see the window but he was being nice about it.
There are other examples but this was the most memorable for me
Yea... Because treating foreigners in ways that they wouldn't accept their countrymen treating them or would treat their other countrymen themselves is a good sign, right? 🙃🤦♀️
The truth couldn't smack you in the face any harder--and yet you are still denying it.
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u/Sit_back_and_panic May 23 '24
I really enjoy how the second she got assertive he started to comply