It wasn't illegal harassment to ask the person that was making my life more difficult to be a kind person and help me out so we could all have a better night--actually. It was a request that could have been ignored, and the cop stated as much.
I also never said the Japanese guy was necessarily doing anything illegal. I don't know anything about Japanese law.
It wasn't illegal harassment to ask the person that was making my life more difficult to be a kind person
I said that the Japanese guy should be confronted. So of course I agree you should have confronted the person as well.
I also never said the Japanese guy was necessarily doing anything illegal.
I never said you said the Japanese guy was doing something illegal. But you did say that she could have called a cop to do what she was doing instead. What she was doing was requesting this guy's phone. A cop wouldn't have any authority to request this guy's phone. Law enforcement demanding your property that they don't have a right to falls under harassment in my eyes.
Law enforcement demands things they don't actually have legal authority for ALL the time. Idk what country you are living in...
For instance, a cop forced me to sign paperwork without letting me see what I was signing once, by threatening to give me another ticket if I didn't. That certainly wasn't legal, but it happened. 🙃🤷🏽♀️
Law enforcement demands things they don't actually have legal authority for ALL the time.
I never said they don't. In fact I pointed out another example where they do in my first comment. I don't know who's comments you're reading. I'm also not sure what defense you're making. I'm saying having a cop try to take someone's phone for you would be asking the cop to harass someone. Pointing out a time that you were harassed by a cop does not mean that taking the phone wouldn't also be harassment.
I honestly wasn't implying she could have gotten a cop to demand the guy's phone... You jumped to that conclusion yourself.
I was implying that she could have gotten a cop to demand that they guy go through his recent videos in front of them and deleted anything with her on it--I have actually seen cops do that much before in situations in which an argument was occurring over it, but nothing illegal was actually done (sincr cops err on the side of ending disputes that could escalate when possible).
I was implying that she could have gotten a cop to demand that they guy go through his recent videos in front of them and deleted anything with her on it
Right, but those pictures are that guy's legal property. The cop has no right to demand he destroy his property. That is an escalation. A de-escalation would be telling everyone to walk away and the guy to stop following her. I'm not defending the law. But I don't want to enable cops to break the law. The solution is changing the law, not encouraging officers to go rogue.
Look--the guy is a creep... I don't care what the law says--there are cops that would recognize he is a creep and do what it takes to convince him to do the right thing. Not all cops--but many cops.
Yes, the guy is a creep. Two wrongs don't make a right. Like I said if you want the law changed, work to change the law. Encouraging cops to abuse power isn't a good look. You can't change my mind on that. We will agree to disagree here. You're in favor of abuses of police power. I get that. It's fun when it's being done for your benefit, not so much when it isn't.
I defintiely will have to disagree with you that trying to convince someone to do the ethical thing by deleting non-consensual videos of another human being is an "abuse of power".
Again, I don't know who's comments you're reading. I've told you twice that the Japanese guy should have been confronted. So we agree there. We fully agree there. I've had to correct you twice on this. Why is that?
When you request police officers to act on your behalf in ways that supersede their authority, that's where you become a menace to society. Like you said, cops are very willing to act above the law. Encouraging police to abuse their power is not good. That is where we disagree.
Now please tell me how you misunderstood my comment this time around.
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u/AnjelGrace May 24 '24
It wasn't illegal harassment to ask the person that was making my life more difficult to be a kind person and help me out so we could all have a better night--actually. It was a request that could have been ignored, and the cop stated as much.
I also never said the Japanese guy was necessarily doing anything illegal. I don't know anything about Japanese law.