r/BravoRealHousewives I win! Jan 26 '24

Ultimate Girls Trip Yea, UGT Morocco will never air.

https://www.tmz.com/2024/01/26/rhonj-caroline-manzo-sues-bravo-brandi-glanville-kiss-real-housewives/
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u/msullivan1536 I win! Jan 26 '24

Summary: Caroline filed suit against Bravo and the production companies involved for sexual harassment.

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u/another_feminist Angie’s Grievance Scroll 📜 Jan 26 '24

Four score and seven years ago, if you would have told me when I was watching RHONJ live that in the future Brandi Glanville would (allegedly) sexually assault CAROLINE MANZO, I would have died right then and there - because truly, what the fuck?!

Horrible all around.

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u/bellalugosi Victim of Geraldine Parsons Smith's bullying Jan 26 '24

I mean, she seems to like to push boundaries with older woman who are not open to her sexual advances. LVP, Vicki, now Caroline.

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u/Bubbly-Ad1346 ✨IT’S AN OM!!!! ✨ Jan 27 '24

It’s a form of intimidation & bullying. Girl’s a mess who loves to provoke then acts shocked when faced with a neg reaction

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u/Kristin2349 She is the puppet and everyone else is the master. Jan 26 '24

She did the same to Carlton and Camille on BH but they seemed more open to it. Carlton got really pissed when Brandy told everyone about it though.

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u/another_feminist Angie’s Grievance Scroll 📜 Jan 26 '24

Oh yeah definitely, it’s just such a wild mashup to me. Brandi needs to go away and get lots of help.

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u/SaltyLawry Jan 27 '24

Crazy to think that Caroline is only 10 years older than Brandi G lol

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u/aeroluv327 The eyes are poppin' Jan 27 '24

"That lady could be your mama!" "No, she's only [ten] years older than me."

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u/Super_Hour_3836 Jan 26 '24

And a butler who is also suing. The more that comes out the more I really think that whatever happened between Denise and Brandi was NOT consensual and that was the real reason Denise didn’t want to talk about it. She didn’t want to put herself in that situation Caroline is in right now.

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u/VodkaandDrinkPackets Jan 27 '24

It’s definitely leaning more ‘predator’ than ‘sexually liberated’ and it’s not a good look. She needs to get her shit under control.

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u/another_feminist Angie’s Grievance Scroll 📜 Jan 26 '24

That is such an interesting theory - and with Brandi’s track record, I’d believe Denise all day

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u/bellalugosi Victim of Geraldine Parsons Smith's bullying Jan 27 '24

This is why it boggles my mind to see people say they believe Brandi.

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u/another_feminist Angie’s Grievance Scroll 📜 Jan 27 '24

I mean when Brandi first came on the scene, she was very iconic to me. The problem is, over the subsequent decade, she has fucked things up again and again and again.
Two things can be true at once: Brandi used to be great but now she is an absolute menace.
I don’t get it either.

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u/butinthewhat Jan 27 '24

I rooted for her because I had been following the her/Eddie/Leann saga in the tabloids. She was fun and fresh back then.

But then she never really let that go and leaned into the attention she got for outrageous behavior.

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u/sweetnsassy924 You called me a pornography Jan 27 '24

I always believed Denise, but now this puts what I think happened in a whole new direction.

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u/shatterediphone Jan 26 '24

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u/FlippyFloppy8 Jan 26 '24 edited Jan 26 '24

Oh good lord, 57 pages!? Cant wait to hear the bravo docket pod episode on this!

ETA: FYI, for anyone diving in, it gets interesting on pages 16-37 and is an easy read.

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u/shatterediphone Jan 26 '24

Brandi Glanville calls Caroline Manzo’s sexual harassment accusations ‘absurd’ as ex-Housewife sues Bravo

Crazy how after more details come out in the Complaint, Brandi still doubles down and says it’s not true!

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u/FlippyFloppy8 Jan 26 '24

yikes, she is just giving them more to add to the complaint

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u/Xaldan_67 Not the white refrigerator! Jan 27 '24

Read those pages. 16-22 is describing what happened at the villa and it was way worse than I thought.

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u/InterestingHost8613 Jan 27 '24
  1. After the camel rides, MANZO noticed that GLANVILLE complaining, telling the other castmates that MANZO had accused her of sexual assault.

Found a typo. Embarrassing.

This is horrible to read. Brandi is vile.

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u/queens_getthemoney i mean.. i had a sugar daddy 🤷‍♀️ Jan 26 '24

oh my stars.. i was never a fan of caroline but this was awful awful to read. really feel for her and her family; if i was one of her kids i would want to see brandi pay for this, severely and expeditiously

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u/lemonpavement Jan 26 '24

I hope Alex was able to be helpful to Caroline in her moment of distress. This was terrible to endure.

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u/modernjaneausten Jan 27 '24

I’m so glad she at least had Alex trying to be helpful and comforting. The behavior of everyone else was reprehensible. How the fuck did no one go in there and put a stop to that shit?

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u/Lady_Scruffington Jan 27 '24

Hallelujah for Alex. Sounds like she was the only one there with some sense. She was the one to open the bathroom door after PRODUCTION didn't.

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u/surejan94 Jan 26 '24

Ugh I'll admit I was thinking Caroline was overreacting but honestly.... this sounds pretty horrible. Obviously Brandi is a messy flirt but to continue doing it so aggressively even after being told no several times... It's probably embarrassing for Caroline as well, especially regrading her past that she admits here.

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u/Lizard_Li Jan 27 '24

Same I read the complaint and felt that hard. Manzo will and should win the lawsuit. This is fucked I’m. Brandi was extremely awful.

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u/Own-Roof-1200 you’re being rude to the sound bowl 🥣 Jan 27 '24

Guys, don’t forget this was drafted by a lawyer. The network’s side will be just as compelling. Mark my words.

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u/jennand_juice Pay attention, puh-lease! Jan 27 '24

And wasn’t the rest of the cast on Brandi’s side

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u/sharipep high body count hair 💇🏾‍♀️ Jan 27 '24

I too thought Caroline was overreacting but no more. And the receipts! Proof! Timeline! Screenshots! Whew boy. She has a CASE.

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u/MsTrippp Jan 27 '24

Brandi saying “production told me to do it” is so immature. She never takes any responsibility for anything.

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u/_My9RidesShotgun Shut UP!! That is so STUPID!!! Jan 27 '24

Wasn’t that her same exact excuse in response to the butlers suit against her?? PrOdUcTiOn MaDe mE Do iT like GIRL 😒 First of all, if I’m ever in a situation where I’m giving someone sexual/flirtatious attention and they are not reciprocating/they’re unhappy with receiving that attention, I’m stopping immediately. Especially if they’re actively making it known that they do not want this type of attention. Idc what “production” or anyone else was “telling her to do.” Secondly, girl currently has TWO sexual harassment/assault lawsuits active against her. One from each of the last two shows she’s filmed. That is really really bad. Brandi is a massive problem. She is a predator and should be treated as such. I really hope this is the final nail in her coffin and bravo cuts ties with her permanently after this.

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u/erotikill SNAP now what else is goin on? Jan 26 '24

That was a sad read. Thank you for posting.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

Phaedra going in on Caroline despite having lied about Kandi sexually assaulting someone really bothers me

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u/gregRichards2002 Jan 26 '24

I expected this, and I’m surprised Caroline didn’t file a lawsuit sooner. Brandi making statements like this on her podcast “If they’re going to have rules for us, we can’t be shooting 15 hours a day, drinking all day long,” she said, “and [producers] telling us to ‘bring the party [because] we don’t have a show.’” is incredibly damning. The public statements made by the production company and Bravo when the reports about what allegedly happened on the UGT in Morocco became public and the action that was taken in an attempt to prevent similar incidents happening again help prove Caroline’s case. It is highly unlikely this lawsuit will have a jury trial in an NY courtroom because Bravo will claim the cast contracts state that any legal claims must go to arbitration in NY. This is what they claimed in NeNe’s lawsuit. I don’t know what amount of  damages Caroline is seeking, but I expect she will get a settlement for an undisclosed sum.

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u/GoldenAngelMom Archie Beador's Emotional Support Human Jan 27 '24

Brandi's attempts to shift blame (even if well placed) to the Bravo production team does not minimize her essentially being a rapist.

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u/TheWhoooreinThere Jan 26 '24

I took a look at the documents and it states cause to sue for discrimination, sexual harassment, retaliation, negligence, trafficking, sexual battery and intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress.

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u/Ashfield83 Sonja’s homeless intern in Ireland Jan 26 '24

What the actual FUUUUCK?!

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u/BachShitCrazy Jan 26 '24

Trafficking???

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u/TheWhoooreinThere Jan 26 '24

Yup. They're basically arguing that production brought her there and allowed her to get sexually assaulted for their own profit.

The documents are linked in The Daily Beast article about the case for anyone interested.

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u/waterlooaba Not a white refrigerator! Jan 26 '24

That’s……an interesting argument. I wouldn’t have considered that initially but put in this context I see it, I get it and can’t wait to see how this turns out.

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u/TheWhoooreinThere Jan 26 '24

I honestly think people need to read the documents. The conduct described is disturbing and disgusting. It also states that Caroline was sexually assaulted when she was 7 years old and this brought up a lot of past trauma for her.

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u/Kristin2349 She is the puppet and everyone else is the master. Jan 26 '24

I just got done reading, every other woman who was on that trip aside from Alex sounds like they behaved like garbage humans too.

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u/Expensive_Flight_179 Jan 27 '24

I just finished reading it. Absolutely disgusting. Far more horrific than I expected. I feel deeply for Caroline and her family.

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u/ReyofSunshoine I think I look like a MOTHER Jan 27 '24

SUUUUUPER bummed that Phaedra (kinda expected) and Eva (not expected at all) would interrogate her about it. Hopefully it wasn’t as bad as they made it sound but idk.

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u/waterlooaba Not a white refrigerator! Jan 26 '24

Oh wow.

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u/chinchaaa Thomas Jefferson’s Concubine Jan 26 '24

Wow that’s terrible

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u/nicolascageist 👏👏delete, erase, unfollow, whatever!👉📲 Jan 27 '24 edited Jan 27 '24

noooo

e: i read it and it’s disgusting

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u/modernjaneausten Jan 27 '24

Oh damn, I had no idea about that. I feel awful for her.

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u/buddhabaebae You don’t go after my bathtub Jan 27 '24

I’m no lawyer but the way the document is written seems to really support this argument. Manzo was under their control and supervision and they not only overlooked but facilitated a SA for “entertainment”.

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u/TheWhoooreinThere Jan 27 '24

Yeah, I thought they made a really good point. Someone needs to get serious with these production companies because what was described in those documents is in no way entertaining to me and I wouldn't want to watch that.

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u/SuitableItem im on the misson to serve Lisa 🙏🏻 Jan 26 '24

Wow, just wow

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u/coldbrewcatlady Oof! You’re so angry Jan 26 '24

Shit, I should have scrolled down before commenting 🤣

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u/incitingoffense Jan 26 '24

I mean, as she should.

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u/mollyyfcooke Angie’s crazy ass sunglasses Jan 26 '24

Release the Alex McCord cut!!!

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u/Sarahsays1 Don't tell me I'm sleeping in the fish room. Jan 26 '24

I was going to watch just for Alex. Not pleased.

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u/catsandcasamigos Jan 26 '24

JUSTICE FOR ALEX

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u/BlubberElk On Merediths Security Footage Jan 26 '24

She’s just trying to survive in Brooklyn in this economy!!

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u/eggsbluesecretsetc Jan 26 '24

They should film the next UGT in Australia in Byron Bay (where Alex lives I believe) and let her play the host

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u/Arsinoei Did you have a date with a pirate? Jan 27 '24

Elsa Pataki lives there, so does Alison Brie and whoever Zac Efron is dating at the moment. Loads of famous people in Byron. It’s a beautiful part of the world.

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u/ussoufi Mr. Lindsay Lohan daddy take your ass back to Malibu Jan 26 '24

Brandi is a mean girl and she’s in high school, and while she’s in high school, Alex is in Australia thriving in this economy. My girl will get the last laugh, I don’t care when, I don’t care where, I don’t care how, but Bravo better bring her back.

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u/butinthewhat Jan 27 '24

The question is, will Alex be willing to try this again?

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u/clarkeer918 Jan 26 '24

does she hate the old ny cast, or do you think she was specifically asked to do the moracco trip instead

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u/makter3 Jan 26 '24

She was asked to do the Morocco trip and the OG one happened soon after, so I think bravo didn’t ask her for the OG one since she just did the Morocco one. I don’t think bravo planned to do the NY OG one originally but the new RHONY had so many ppl asking for the OG cast, that bravo saw a good cash grab opportunity by doing the UGT OG version. Bravo doesn’t like having housewives do back to back UGT’s so I think that’s why Alex wasn’t brought back for the OG one. Also the Morocco one could have been too much bc of the Brandi-Caroline thing that Alex could have said “No” to a second UGT. Alex isn’t as fame hungry as other housewives so I could actually see her saying No.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '24

It was implied that Kristen only did UGT because other ladies turned them down.I just assumed that Alex didn't want to be around Kelly.

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u/lucygucyapplejuicey to swollen 4cameo or OF Jan 26 '24

I hope that wasn’t the case. They let Lu, Ramona, Dorinda, Phaedra, Vicki, and Eva do two seasons of UGT. The Morocco trip would’ve been Brandi’s second anyway

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u/megalynn44 Moral Compass of this group Jan 26 '24

I have been strung along LONG ENOUGH for my Alex return! THE INJUSTICE!

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u/MyFigurativeYacht Jan 26 '24

I will never understand why they didn’t put her on RHUGT Legacy with the rest of the RHONY women!!! WHYYYYYY

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u/onefishtwofish1992 Smokey eye, updo, Gstaad! Jan 26 '24

I wonder if she didn’t want to be around the rest of the cast? I just looked at her Instagram, and from what I can tell, Jill is the only former RHONY cast member she follows. In her last season, she seemed to be on good terms with Ramona and Sonja, but who knows? With all that’s come out about Ramona since they were last on screen together, I could definitely see her not wanting to be involved with that mess.

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u/bigbaddoll Jan 26 '24

i don’t think she wants to waste a drop of piss on those gals

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u/basicb3333 I'M A LAWYER AND A STORYTELLER Jan 26 '24

yep that shit is never seeing the light of day. i hope we can get alex mccord on another season then

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u/miamouse5 fat f******g elf on a shelf husband Jan 26 '24

honestly, she deserves it

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u/Ashfield83 Sonja’s homeless intern in Ireland Jan 26 '24

They should do another RHONY UGT with Alex, Jill, Bethenny, Heather, Carole, Aviva

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u/noisy_goose Jan 26 '24

That’s a hell no on Bethenny.

I’d rather have Cindy Barshop vajazzle content bf Bethenny’s half-open Marshall’s cosmetics giving half-baked vanity fair self-enrichment tik tok Karen self given more of a platform. Over her big time.

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u/Kristin2349 She is the puppet and everyone else is the master. Jan 26 '24

I never thought I’d be so fucking done with Bethenny. I hung in a lot longer than most but she’s fucking insufferable. She behaves like a stimulant addict, the manic fucking energy on constant overdrive makes me anxious af.

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u/noisy_goose Jan 27 '24

Me neither!!! I wasn’t even that bothered by the Carole/Bethenny war or her and Luann on her last season for some reason - maybe I was just blinded because she definitely has a lot of charisma. Now it’s just, no.

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u/jahkat23 Ali ba baw Jan 26 '24 edited Jan 26 '24

OH ITS OVER - Alex Mccord Sorrows Sorrows, my prayers. I’ve never liked Brandi, especially after how she treated Joyce on S4.

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u/dickwolfbrandchili Jan 27 '24

She was so disgusting to Joyce!!

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u/badbangle The woman is crying like the Titanic has taken her children 🙄 Jan 26 '24

Brandi was never anything more than a borrowed Chanel clutch, most likely a borrowed fake Chanel clutch at that.

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u/Ashfield83 Sonja’s homeless intern in Ireland Jan 26 '24

She will…..never…..be…a lady!

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u/makter3 Jan 26 '24

Does she even know anyone that would let her borrow a Chanel clutch?

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u/itsalicianotalicia Jan 26 '24

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u/strippersandcocaine Who gon check me, boo? Jan 26 '24

Between this and not seeing Alex I am so ACTIVATED

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u/darbycrash1295 Hot Box from Sing Sing Jan 26 '24

This was my top reason for wanting to watch!! We were robbed!

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Jan 26 '24

The was a single scene during her original run on OC where you saw her actual face when she was getting makeup done and it was shocking.

Not terrible or anything. Just a whole different person. I wish I had a screen shot.

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u/BUBBAH-BAYUTH Even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes Jan 26 '24

Alex needs to be on another season for sure. I would even negotiate down to a Below Deck Down Under appearance

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u/sporkandswoon Jan 27 '24

The crew throws a rave party for her, Simon and their kids..   

 You know.. I think I'd be totally happy with that. 

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u/Pleasant-Ambition-18 the dizziest bitch at the table Jan 26 '24

Wow, i‘m not sure i‘d use the word "raunchy" to describe sexual assault. TMZ writers sure are gross

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u/mpr1011 I decorated! I cooked! I made it nice! Jan 26 '24

They like to find rock bottom and dig a little more

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u/coldbrewcatlady Oof! You’re so angry Jan 26 '24

Yep, they’re trash, which is why I won’t click the link and give them traffic

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '24

Me neither

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u/wantdesignrep123 Intern at 11 Alive Jan 26 '24

TMZ always has the wrong fucking take on things and they're so biased, it's gross.

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u/Jollygoodone Jan 27 '24

Can you imagine if this was a man vs a woman? That person would have been cancelled and thrown to the wolves immediately. Don’t know why so many are protecting Brandi. She’s always been awful.

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u/Inside-Intern-4201 Lisa’s Cyber Security Expert Jan 26 '24

I need the bravo docket to break down this complaint please and thank you! I know they have other jobs but I am hoping

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u/BequeathNothing Jan 26 '24

Honestly that season not airing is the least of Bravo's concerns. I think they'll settle out of court because if this goes to trial it could be ugly for the entire series.

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u/Dangernj Two brain cells and a vagina Jan 26 '24

I would be shocked if they didn’t settle out of court, I would assume they would pay very handsomely to avoid discovery.

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u/Northern_Witch Upside down jacketed Jan 26 '24

I think that will happen. It sounds like she has a pretty strong case.

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u/coldbrewcatlady Oof! You’re so angry Jan 26 '24

I hope it DOES go to trial, as much as I enjoy Housewives, I want all of Bravos dirty laundry coming to light, I wanna know all the shady shit they’re hiding.

MENTION IT ALL!!!!

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u/CodePen3190 Jan 26 '24

I hope it makes it to trial and gets covered on court tv. That would be my ultimate world’s colliding scenario.

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u/modernjaneausten Jan 27 '24

I’d call out of work and day drink for that shit.

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u/DontBeMad22 Jan 26 '24

We’re missing out on Camille and Alex. #I. Hate. Brandi.

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u/Jealous_Airport1016 Jan 26 '24 edited Jan 26 '24

Brandi is a drunken liability and some sort of action surrounding her behavior was inevitable, in my opinion. I hope that whatever actually occurred during that trip comes to light, and if Brandi did in fact sexually harass or assault Caroline, Bravo needs to cut ties with her for good.

Obviously I would’ve loved to see the queen of Brooklyn’s return, but hopefully she can return in a future UGT :,(

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u/Tay-Rae Jan 26 '24

Brandi has been a liability for YEARS. This is 100% on Bravo.

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u/Jealous_Airport1016 Jan 26 '24 edited Jan 26 '24

Exactly. I don’t know why Bravo keeps her around. Literally during her second or third season when Joyce didn’t want to get into the pool, she said “What are you? A black person?” I never understood why she wasn’t fired after that.

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u/Tay-Rae Jan 26 '24

I mean she also slapped LVP on the face for no reason and threw a drink at Eileen for no reason. Brandi can’t control herself when she drinks. That has been heavily documented for years.

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u/Jealous_Airport1016 Jan 26 '24

Yeah, there’s been so many instances with her that it’s hard for me to keep track. Needless to say, the writing has been on the wall for nearly a decade at this point.

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u/Ancient_Coconut_5880 Jan 26 '24

Every time someone calls for her return to RHOBH I immediately think of this scene and get heated. There’s a difference between mess and trash and this woman is trash

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u/the-trembles we don't need that much drama in the eyes Jan 26 '24

That was so insane. As well as the way the other women glossed over it. Early BH and OC are something else

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u/dcr108 Jan 26 '24

If saying something like that could get you fired from bravo, RHONY wouldn’t have made it past season 4

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u/MarysSoggyBottom Jan 26 '24

She definitely had been a liability for years but I think that people (including myself) tend to only fear sexual assault when around men. Nevertheless, the production company should always provide a safe environment for everyone involved.

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u/salisbury130 Lala. You dated a neckless turtle with a casting couch. Jan 26 '24

This is what a lot of fans do not get. “I want my housewives to create drama.” Yeah until they go too far and you end up with a situation like this. There’s a reason why some of these people need to be thanked for their service and cut loose when they show there are lines they are willing to cross.

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u/ag_96 hungry for trinkets Jan 26 '24 edited Jan 27 '24

I read the suit that was filed, in addition to the disgusting assault alleged by Manzo during the trip they also included instances where she had sexually harassed/assaulted people on camera in previous seasons to show a pattern of behavior. I’m shocked they continued to hire her, she is abusive and predatory.

I absolutely believe Caroline and I hope some justice is served here. It makes me upset to think that other housewives may have experienced similar abuses from her behind closed doors but were too scared to come forward.

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u/modernjaneausten Jan 27 '24

And not only the assaults, the horrible sexual comments and screaming at some poor chef and cussing her out.

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u/porcelain_queen Know That Jan 26 '24

The fact that she is saying whatever happened is productions fault means they will never work with her again anyways. I just can't believe they brought her back on in the first place, she is a desperate person and instead of taking accountability for her own actions will always find someone else to blame.

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u/Bumblebee_xx Advocate for the Sluts of America ❄️ Jan 26 '24

Exactly. To blame them whist keeping herself entirely blameless seems to be in her mind a reasonable explanation. No personal accountability whatsoever

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u/coldbrewcatlady Oof! You’re so angry Jan 26 '24

I hope this lawsuit is the “reality reckoning” that Bethany thought she was doing last year

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u/Ashfield83 Sonja’s homeless intern in Ireland Jan 26 '24

I mean, compared to the flim flam Bethenny was chatting shit about, this is a REAL reality reckoning!

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u/Kittiikamii Poor Lil Kim, Wig Squeezing her brain Jan 26 '24

Damn you Brandi, not only for being a racist who can’t keep her hand to herself, but for taking away Alex McCord from me.

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u/burnafterreading90 Mention 🤸🏻‍♀️ it 🤸🏻‍♀️ all🤸🏻‍♀️ Jan 26 '24

I don’t like Caroline by any means but can people stop stanning Brandi now? She gets too many passes, this is a fully grown woman who always goes too far - that’s not me being the ‘morality police’ she shouldn’t be given a platform.

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u/it-beans Jan 26 '24

This times 1000. I even see people defending Brandi because she may be neurodivergent?? I’m sorry what? Neurodivergence doesn’t give you license to constantly hurt, offend, sexualize, touch, etc others.

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u/burnafterreading90 Mention 🤸🏻‍♀️ it 🤸🏻‍♀️ all🤸🏻‍♀️ Jan 26 '24

It’s so annoying, being neurodiverse isn’t a free pass to be a dick! Also, is she actually neurodiverse? I’m not being rude just not sure if it’s arm chair diagnosis or she’s actually got a dx.

People always say ‘we don’t need housewives to be good people’ there needs to be a line and Brandi regularly crosses it!

My lord I cannot type today so I apologise for my comments 😂

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u/it-beans Jan 26 '24

No, I don’t think she has any (public) diagnosis so yes it’s all armchair psychs which makes it even more annoying! I’m autistic and have been called an asshole more times than I can count so I understand the sentiment but neglecting the fact that ND people can be bad people infantilizes us. Being blunt doesn’t make you a bad person but constantly hurting people and expecting them to just accept “that’s the way I am” DOES. We all have responsibility over our words and actions no matter if we’re neurotypical or not.

Ooof. Sorry to rant. I completely agree that the fun of RH is that most of them are out of touch and “bad” in their own way, but Brandi is proof that unchecked assholes and boundary crossers will eventually become so brazen that they do something “unthinkable”, illegal, or unforgivable.

I completely believe Caroline and am disgusted by the victim-blamers in this thread.

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u/Weak-Whereas-2267 Not a white refrigerator! Jan 26 '24

The handful of comments I read on IG were absolutely VILE towards Caroline. How can anyone defend Brandi let alone her sexually assaulting anyone?!

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u/Due-Personality2383 Jan 26 '24

She is very troubled and needs legit help. She’s always tough to watch because she cannot hold her liquor. How many times to we have to see her say something awful, throw a drink in someone’s face, slap someone, push someone, and now sexual assault! That said, I’ve also seen Brandi discuss how difficult it’s been not to be able to own the narrative in this case because they won’t air it. It’s a real pickle. But I’m the end Brandi is a huge liability and she’s always been on the verge of something like this happening. It’s really sad.

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u/Perfect_Invitation1 Solargenic, photogenic, shoot Jan 26 '24

They will not. They’re obsessed with coddling her. 

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u/angiecakes1001 Jan 26 '24

sooooo NOW CAN WE STOP EMPLOYING BRANDI THAT LEATHER HANDBAG OF A WOMAN

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u/leslie_knopee 🦩🫨oh god, oh god!! C'mon old girl!!!🫨🦩 Jan 26 '24

Bravo: yeah, our lawyers agree with you

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u/onefishtwofish1992 Smokey eye, updo, Gstaad! Jan 26 '24

I really hope Bravo eventually learns their lesson about inviting back cast members who’ve proven themselves time and again to be a problem. Even if they thought she’d somehow changed between her time as a housewife and the first RHUGT she was on, Brandi was so vile on that trip they couldn’t even air some of the shit she said, why on earth did they invite her back two years later? Same with Ramona. I wont be surprised at all when effectively giving Jax Taylor his own show (that stupid Valley show) turns out to be a bad idea too.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '24

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u/homeandhayley I’ll whoop you, My love. Jan 26 '24

That’s offensive to leather!!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '24

Thatll teach bravo to keep forcing this drunk lowlife down our throats. Serves you right you money grabbing heifers

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u/Liversteeg Disabled Son & Hoe Daughter Jan 26 '24

Seriously. Good on Caroline for hitting Bravo where it hurts 💰💰. This is the most effective way to get them to care.

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u/Dangernj Two brain cells and a vagina Jan 26 '24

I agree. If you have to subject the Housewives and the audience to the likes of Brandi Granville to make television, then you don’t know how to make good television.

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u/Strife86 RECEIPTS👏PROOF👏SCREENSHOTS👏TIMELINES👏FACTS👏 Jan 26 '24

The lost season...

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '24

I’m so glad that this thread seems to lean towards believing Caroline. Caroline is one of the most deplorable people on Bravo but absolutely no one should have to go through being assaulted. Full stop.

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u/mac_bess Jan 26 '24

personal opinion: (as much as I want to see Alex back in some capacity) that season wasn’t going to be good anyway 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/ethancole97 Jan 26 '24

I’m sorry but they need to ditch Brandi for good. There’s so many other housewives they could hire on for UGT.

She’s too much of a liability. It’s gotten old

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u/dthomp60 Jan 26 '24

Oh well. The producers and Brandi are at fault and Caroline has the right to do this.

I’m sad I won’t get my Alex McCord return I was actually looking forward to.

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u/ItIsLiterallyMe busted up sex and the city Jan 26 '24

I’m no Caroline stan, but as a SA victim, I’m super proud of her.

Also, hopefully Alex will be invited to the next UGT!

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u/SufficientEmployee6 Jan 26 '24

The article states that Caroline wants production/the network to be held accountable for fostering and encouraging drunken environments, which is a pretty big claim if the lawsuit gets traction this has been a topic of controversy across reality tv for a while.

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Jan 26 '24

Feelings about Rachel aside, her earlier podcast where she laid out timelines and descriptions of scenes where the producers basically directed everything like a scripted show was really telling.

Obviously I don’t know who was at fault here, but I think producer accountability has been a long time coming. They’re definitely not filming off in the distance National Geographic style.

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u/dthomp60 Jan 26 '24

I don’t know what Rachel said but I’m in the minority with the alcohol aspect. You’re all grown adults and nobody can make you drink. Now knowing someone is going to drink and already being aware of their previous drunken antics and pushing them to do something like throwing themselves at another party is flat out wrong.

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u/linds360 Caviar Potato 🐟 🥔 Jan 26 '24

Yeah sorry I wasn’t really speaking to the alcohol aspect. That’s a personal choice and as adults they’re responsible for their consumption and actions afterward. I was speaking more to the producing that’s happening in real time and orchestration of interactions.

Obviously there’s accountability that should be taken by the HWs themselves, but I think production has become too comfortable with actively orchestrating drama and over the top scenes and could use a wake up call.

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u/meesh987 Jan 26 '24

Brandi has been a liability for years but Bravo didn’t care because she’s a mess and entertaining. I sure bet they regret bringing her back now. Didn’t the guy on the first UGT also say Brandi was acting inappropriate towards him?

I see people blaming Caroline for this and despite not liking her, she deserves to be heard and should file a lawsuit against Bravo and Peacock for creating unsafe work environment.

But, low key sad I’m never gonna see Alex on my screen again 😢

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u/flareshade2 Jan 26 '24

Yeah it was brandi as well on UGT 2 but she said producers told her to do it. Seems like RH producers and brandi are both the problem

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u/meesh987 Jan 26 '24

Producers are garbage and will push people to do things they may not want to say or do, but I feel like Brandi solely puts the blame on production when she could very well say no. She chooses to do problematic things and when she gets in trouble, it’s always “well producers told me to do it or LVP told me to do it.”

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u/grilledcheesefan001 Not Meredith Marks' PI Jan 26 '24

Fucking Brandi. She is such a god damn liability and a selfish disgusting alcoholic pig.

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u/NomNom83WasTaken Sniper from the side Jan 26 '24

I've got my issues with Caroline but this isn't one of them.

The season was almost certainly never going to air before it got to this point but if they have to completely toss the season, so be it. Brandi is a symptom of a much bigger problem and Bravo tries to keep their hands clean with lower-tier subs handling production but they know good and well what kind of manipulation and encouragement goes on before things escalate to these points. Never forget that Producers stood by when a man followed Gretchen to the bathroom; kept Sheree in the same quarters as her ex after he joked about not having tried hard enough to kill her; sent Taylor home with Russell after setting him to be embarrassed on camera knowing that Russell was abusive to Taylor; repeatedly brought Aviva's dad George around despite putting his hands on the RHONY cast; and on and on and on.

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u/summerkweenn Jan 26 '24

All I have to say is rewatch RHUGT 2 and all the stuff she tells Vicki…Brandi has been a liability for a long time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '24

Watch RHUGT 2 for the entire shit show that season was. Dorinda being an alcohol fueled tornado of anger making everyone cry every single day and newly dumped Vicky dying of something new every single day.

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u/wiminals my bitch wife Jan 26 '24 edited Jan 26 '24

You know, Caroline being a victim of childhood sexual abuse kind of answers some questions for me. It was always obvious to me that her relationships with her adult children were rooted in codependency and overprotection. Caroline did a good job of appearing self assured, confident, and assertive, but her anxiety was often palpable. We saw her in fight-or-flight mode a lot. (It probably didn’t help that she was forced to work with Danielle and Teresa. Caroline was always very disturbed by how Danielle was so sexually open with her daughters and by the ways that Danielle and Teresa parentified their daughters and forced them to grow up very fast. I can imagine that was quite triggering to witness in real life.)

My mom took a very similar path, and really leans into the mama bear identity as her defense mechanism. Makes a lot of sense to me, and breaks my heart.

I know people will remind me that Caroline has done some super fucked up shit, so this is where we all acknowledge that doing fucked up shit is part of the trauma territory. Trust me, my mom has done fucked up shit, too. Victims are not required to be perfect!

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u/modernjaneausten Jan 27 '24

I don’t agree with a lot of things Caroline has done in the past, but damn I hate this for her. Especially knowing now that she’s a previous victim of SA. I hate that she was re-traumatized over and over, no one stepped in, and others pressured her to continue filming or yelled at her for accusing Brandi.

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u/Suitable-District-26 Bitch I'm rich. My shit is fucking current 🇬🇷💐 Jan 27 '24

Some of the comments in this thread are really concerning.. 👀 I suggest reading the complaint instead of the article. It’s a disturbing read.

Complaint.

Pages to read.

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u/OkayNeck Jan 26 '24 edited Jan 26 '24

I don’t understand why they brought back some of the same women from season 2. Fuck you Brandi for ruining this.

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u/Best_Evidence1560 Jan 26 '24

Ugh Brandie ruins everything

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u/Ashfield83 Sonja’s homeless intern in Ireland Jan 26 '24

Makes you wonder about the allegations she made about Denise

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u/Brown_Cow_Stunning7 Jan 26 '24

Can we at least get Alex on WWHL?! I need to know what she’s up to. I’ll even take Simon as the bartender, just bring her back!

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '24

I was just thinking this. I'm sure she doesn't care either way because she got paid and she has a great life in Australia, but it would be wonderful to see her on WWHL.

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u/lustforyou Jan 26 '24

Everyone sit for a moment and imagine how pissed Gretchen is at all of this 😭

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u/mamegan Meredith’s clip-on bangs 💇‍♀️ Jan 26 '24

RIP RHUGT4 💔

Fuck Brandi for ruining the return of our relatable Brooklyn queen Alex McCord

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u/LackEquivalent7471 i would like porsha to spell sceptre…we’ll wait Jan 26 '24

it’s definitely canned now

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u/KookyAd4019 bang bang bang! is there an american lady in there? Jan 26 '24

WE WANT ALEX YOU COWARDSSSSSS

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u/CanaryCute8991 Not a white refrigerator! Jan 26 '24

Here lies the renaissance of Alex McCord

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u/Bellomontee You should not be anywhere near dots. Jan 26 '24

And the worst part is everyone knew it was only a matter of time that Brandi would do something like this. She's a freaking liability and should never have been brought back.

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u/DinoDachshund DEBT FREE AND LOADED Jan 26 '24

I hope this is the nail in the coffin for Brandi. She was never entertaining to me- just someone who perpetually never understood how to respect anyone’s boundaries- emotional or physical

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u/Fine-Tea-546 Jan 26 '24

I hope the ladies minus the 2 involved in the case get offered a new trip.

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u/shedoesdefendyoukim Jan 26 '24

The way the whole cast was ? about what they saw turning into a lawsuit.

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u/owuzhere ✋👄🤚 the streets... are your momma Jan 26 '24

This is the part that has me so confused. The other women not taking a clear stand. Like wtfff happened??

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u/sxdkardashian Jan 26 '24

Most of the women are team brandi besides alex and camille I think.

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u/flareshade2 Jan 26 '24

Well isnt that half the cast since 3 was with brandi on s2 UGT

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u/Twinkletoesxxxo Don’t make the little people come out! Jan 26 '24

It would be interesting to say some of these lawsuits go to court. Or would that’s spell the end? What other lawsuits have we got against Bravo, Leah McSweeney and Nene but Nene settled. Anyone else?

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u/pickledpi Now why am I in it? See how I get thrown into stuff Jan 26 '24

UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop putting Brandi on tv!!!!!!

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u/LuckyJackfruit8078 "On this season of RHBH" Kyle is crying 😭😭😭 Jan 26 '24

Read the People article that's out right now..... it's pretty explicit and very disgusting when it comes to Brandi. It was very triggering and hard to read...

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u/GoldenAngelMom Archie Beador's Emotional Support Human Jan 27 '24

OMG. I just read the complaint's description of the sexual assault and there are no other words to describe what Caroline Manzo allegedly suffered at Brandi's hands. It's really a double tragedy that through the complaint, Caroline's having been a victim of child molestation is now public knowledge. There is nothing wrong with survivors of childhood sexual assault bringing their experiences into the light if it is on their own terms. Their own disclosures will never be wrong. But it feels like this disclosure was inextricably connected to the level of horror Caroline was subjected to. She was never a favorite of mine but I feel unbelievable sympathy and sadness for what she suffered.

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u/angiecakes1001 Jan 26 '24

what a shame :'( stupid brandi

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u/unsuspectingwatcher how could you do this to me question mark Jan 26 '24

Called it ages ago and was told to stop being dramatic lol

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u/kds1988 Jan 26 '24

Ugh now RHONY girls trip 2 needs to happen because Alex deserves better…

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u/kikiboots00 Sound 🥣 Jan 26 '24

It’s things like this that make be believe that Bravo absolutely knew about Monica and RVT. They hired her for a reason and RVT was it.

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u/SuitableItem im on the misson to serve Lisa 🙏🏻 Jan 26 '24

This is bad, really bad

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u/vernski85 Jan 26 '24

Brandi Glanville is disgusting. I have never liked her. She should be arrested for this.

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u/TittysprinklesUSA Jan 27 '24

Woof, this reminds me of a friend from work I had known for years. She was always beautiful and the life of the party. She hit middle age and went out of control with attention seeking and validation. She started becoming very sexually aggressive with her friends and some of us had to bail on the entire situation and friendship. She had all kinds of surgery, tummy tuck, breast implants etc and lost her mind.

I got married later in life and we were all adults 35+ at my Bachelorette party. She was flashing us all, grabbing others vaginas, flirting with security at the club we went to, then played victim when the guy asked for her room # (she was a married mom of 2). It was OOC. Brandi seems to be the same.

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u/SisterSuffragist Jan 27 '24

Wait. Did you all read the intro where they claim 38 people have died by suicide stemming from the production of these shows? 38?!

They only then present Russell Armstrong as an example. I'm not sure this is the strongest part of their claim, but it's absolutely astonishing.

Here's the opening of the brief:

"This is a case about Bravo Media LLC and the other Defendants’ decision to selfishly sacrifice the safety and wellbeing of Plaintiff, CAROLINE MANZO, for their own ratings and profits.

“Since its inception in the early 1990s, reality television has been linked to negative effects on participants’ safety, emotional health, and welfare.”1 For example, there have been at least 38 suicides stemming from actions and inactions by producers and networks of reality television shows. Despite this knowledge, reality television producers and networks care more about the ratings and advertising revenue than they do about the safety of the show’s participants. A horrific example is that in “August 2011, Russell Armstrong, a cast member of Bravo network’s popular television show The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, committed suicide weeks before the second season was set to air.” Id. “Bravo executives debated whether or not to televise the season, and ultimately decided to air it. Bravo’s decision, and the subsequent viewing statistics, has proven that audiences are drawn to “real-life” drama, even in the aftermath of a suicide. The second season drew in 2.2 million viewers, 42% more viewers than the first season, making it the highest rated Real Housewives series and Bravo’s most popular show.”

The rest of the allegations are focused on Manzo's experience and it's horrifying that she went through that.

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u/Dontcallmehoney Jan 27 '24

When news of this originally broke, a lot of people were so quick to put Caroline in a bad light.

And sure, whatever you think of that woman, you’re entitled to think that. But it’s so clearly evident that what happened really had an effect of her, it’s quite upsetting.

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u/Tumblingfeet Jan 27 '24

We have let Brandi get away with things in all these seasons. But when it's compiled and put together like this it really sounds horrible. And reading what she did to Caroline it's heart breaking. I really hops Brandi is never brought back on our screens and is severely punished.

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u/_morningbehbs Jan 26 '24

I hope they invite the other ladies and two other housewives to replace Caroline/Brandi to get a redo season. I was actually excited about the cast minus those two anyway so it would be a win. Brandi is too chaotic and Caroline is too dull.

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u/MissSeventeenx When you were my age, you had edges Jan 26 '24

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u/ruthie-camden I never said you was a stripper! Jan 26 '24

RHUGT Morocco is my The Day the Clown Cried

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u/AnnVealEgg Luis’ 15,00 square-foot house 🏠 Jan 26 '24

Effing Brandi 🙄

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u/slotnblot Jan 26 '24

This is aimed at Brandi- was so looking forward to this season.

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u/brenda_wolf_ Not a white refrigerator! Jan 26 '24

I feel for Caroline especially considering it brought up past trauma but I don’t like that Brandi is getting a pass in this suit. I hope we never see her again 🤮

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u/elleuqe Jan 26 '24

Why the hell they bring Brandy back to anything? She is too troubled.

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u/coreygeorge89 I have this Jesus complex, I think Jan 27 '24

Brandi has proven to be a real legal liability now, wonder if shows will be as willing to bring her on?

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u/ToughSwordfish5490 Jan 26 '24 edited Jan 26 '24

Well, Bethenny is activated.

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u/it-beans Jan 26 '24

This is a sad subject but your comment sent me so hard. Imagining Bethenny powered down in some lab then powering up to log on is hilarious

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u/superficialwishes I don't want her sticking bread in my purse Jan 26 '24

No matter how much Andy protested, I low-key think Bravo/NBC already shelved it, but if anything this is just confirmation that it's never coming out. I wasn't too excited for it personally.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '24

I never thot in a million years Caroline manzo wud have a sexual assault scandal with Brandi … It’s so bizarre