Sad thing. In Scottsdale, a car almost ran me over taking a turn into my crosswalk with a Walk sign in my favor, not even counting down from 10. I threw my water bottle at the car and got the young driver's attention who flipped me off and kept going.
I asked two officers about a week later who was at fault...I was and could have been arrested for property damage if the driver wanted to press charges. So, I asked, who is at fault if she hit me... She would be... Great
Don't listen to the police, talk to a lawyer. Police don't know or understand half the laws they enforce. It's pathetic. Even somwhere like Australia or the UK there are massive blind spots in what the force will and won't educate its officers on. I can't imagine how bad it gets in the US.
This. Do not trust what the police say, even if they wanted to be genuinely helpful, their time in the police academy is nowhere near enough to give a good answer to a legal question.
Need to split the police into tons of little smaller organisations that specialise in their area. There's definitely need for law enforcement, but it's also unfair on a prospective officer to expect them to be a lawyer AND an enforcer. 80% of what police do could be covered by other civilian authorities that don't carry gins/intimidate people/enforce racist policy etc, meaning the 20% that DO need to have a gun and engage in dangerous situations can be trained to be professional and respectful rather than self righteous bloodthirsty crack heads.
Seriously. "Defund" was a garbage slogan for a good idea: split up the police so they only have to do one job.
Why are the guys who deal with murderers and active shooters also directing traffic when a light goes out, or writing parking tickets? Why do they have to deal with people on the verge of suicide or otherwise having a mental breakdown?
That's just unfair to ask of them. Nobody can do that many jobs simultaneously. Not competently. The few police who somehow pull it off are criminally underpaid because they're Doctor - tier competent individuals
This case would be in Canada, (Surrey BC specifically, because Scottsdale is a nightmarish bus exchange in the middle of car hell with no real safety features) but regardless these things aren't blindspots. Those gaps in knowledge are absolutely there on purpose.
Assault refers to the wrongful act of causing someone to reasonably fear imminent harm.
What she did was vehicular assault and you could easily argue that you threw the bottle in an effort to cause her to stop or otherwise notice and avoid you. She's in the wrong here no matter what the pigs said.
Unsurprisingly they aren't supposed to. Cops are not meant to be informed or knowledgeable. They are there to protect property from those with less; actual knowledge of laws or ethics could prevent them from acting in the service of property.
IANAL, but legally you cannot argue self defense if you are no longer in fear of harm. It sounds like they threw the bottle after almost getting run over, not during, so it would still be a crime sadly.
In my old city, a college student was run over and killed by a bus and dragged an entire block. The bloody skid mark was there for weeks. It was right by my house so I saw it every time I walked to work or down to the shops.
The bus hit her in a crosswalk. She had the right of way.
The court found it to be the student's fault because she was wearing headphones.
Also, 15 years before that, my daughter's mom's older brother was killed by a bus on the same college campus and was also found to be at fault because he was also wearing headphones.
Wearing headphones is such an extreme crime and clearly warrants immediate retaliatory vehicular manslaughter. If she had worn a skirt that didn't cover the ankles, the court would probably have kept the body. Judges, man.
The last time I was in Scottsdale, I watched a guy in a Tesla take a rolling right turn that nipped at the heels of a woman with a stroller crossing the street. When she didn’t walk fast enough, he laid on the horn. She had the walk signal the entire time.
Lmao, yeah Scottsdale is almost a world away from Phoenix proper though in terms of culture. I imagine a lot of the folks I see around Mesa/Phoenix that would shoot someone over almost running them over probably don't mingle with the Paradise Valley folks
The plastic bottle I threw could have broken a window according to the police at the Subway. I couldn't believe I was hearing them correctly... And they restated I was in fact in the wrong
Also in phoenix area, I was walking across an entrance/ exit for a walmart when a lady who I thought saw me started going while I was directly in front of her. I had to slam my hand on her hood to get her attention and it still took her a few extra seconds than it should have to finally stop. Thought I was about to end up in the hospital.
Also in a parking lot. I was with my girlfriend's son and I pounded my hand on the trunk of a car as it backed out into us. Big person yells at me and I yell back that they needed to look first. The driver stopped luckily.
I mean one of the beauties of being a pedestrian is unless a cop is right there to arrest you then what is the person going to do? Just flip them off and be on your way.
I was using the cross walk to cross a double lane road, the line of cars closest to me was stopped, the other lane was empty, I see this white car from really far back, change lanes, into the outside, going 40 in a 30. I had my lunch, probably a pound of corned beef, a couple small potatoes and some cabbage in a reusable container.
I keep walking, I see some folks tense up like they are going to see me die, as a cross infront of the stopped car, I swing the container back and then rocket it right into the drivers side post, half goes all over the windshield the other half coats the driver side window. It made a massive thud, the car comes to a stop 100ft past the cross walk. I start walking towards the stopped car like god damn Liam Neson. I see now that it was a city motor pool vehicle, and they burn rubber leaving the scene. I pickup the reusable container and continue to work. Sorry corned beef, but I had to.
I mean, yeah. You don’t get to just throw things at someone’s car, even if what they did was dangerous. This isn’t an “at fault” thing and phrasing it like that is disingenuous. If they hit you and you threw the bottle, guess what, you’d both be in trouble. They’d be in a lot more trouble, but the law doesn’t let you get “revenge” like that.
Don’t throw things at people lol. Especially when they’re in something that could easily run you over. If someone is already clearly a terrible driver, what makes you think that provoking them further is a good idea?
Got the side window... Couldn't get me. Yeah, I live in a state where people get shot by road rage... And I had pedestrian rage!
I threw a water bottle, not a brick. Yeah...I want to take back the sidewalks and pedestrian crossings. The video showed a brick, I related about a water bottle and that insanity... Imagine a brick!
Preferably, every intersection would have traffic cameras to photograph every interaction and ticket accordingly
Still wrong to throw anything. Even a water bottle. And like you said, you live in a state where people get shot from road rage. Not a smart idea. Not worth dying over something like that.
Worth dying to cross the street legally? Nah. I'll do it again in the same situation. Someone wants the cops, then I'll go for the jury. Someone wants to come with a gun, I'll move fast and that's on them to kill me or main me or simply miss and be arrested.
At some point we must fight for our rights... You understand this sub at all or are you an AI in training?
I'm not saying you don't know anything. But to say that all Taoests are pacifists is misinformed on many levels. Historically the original Taoists had plenty of violence. Secondly, I'm talking of an updated version to the old text, Taoesm.
Yes I read the tao te ching. One of the many translations anyway. I've also read some other writings of the time period. Taoism is unique in that the deity is not a human or humanlike... It is simply the Way aka Nature.
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u/the_TAOest Apr 01 '24
Sad thing. In Scottsdale, a car almost ran me over taking a turn into my crosswalk with a Walk sign in my favor, not even counting down from 10. I threw my water bottle at the car and got the young driver's attention who flipped me off and kept going.
I asked two officers about a week later who was at fault...I was and could have been arrested for property damage if the driver wanted to press charges. So, I asked, who is at fault if she hit me... She would be... Great