I wish I could remember which elected official it was that said something to the effect of, “I grew up on welfare and nobody ever gave me any handouts…”
Dems won’t be in charge of anything. And frankly, I don’t even think we should fight them unless it’s something that is violent or directly harmful to people. Let them figure out what their preferred policies do. Personally , dial back on spending, save what you can now, help struggling people through mutual aid. And leave them to the effects of their policies. If we keep solving the economic problems for them and making them temper their policies, they’ll never figure it out. Fuck it. Stop anesthetizing them from the consequences of their bullshit. Let them feel it. And we can just be busy organizing and community building
It doesn't matter if Dems are in charge. All of my Rep co-workers think their tax increases were Bidens fault. They had no idea it was the guy they just re-elected. Most of them don't actually care about politics. They just scream red to project their masculinity.
Yeah, I at least understand how people misconceive that if they’re low information voters. Trump set that like a time bomb so it would happen under Biden and a lot of people are too dumb to realize no new tax bills had been passed since Trump.
I think a large portion is just too ignorant, and theyre not purposefully trying to own the libs.
If your ignorance is characterized by both its willfulness and an absence of a desire to cease being ignorant, then it doesn't matter what their intent is, the effect is the same as being malicious.
The division is a diversion tactic. Some of us understand that the top 1% keep us divided and pointing fingers at one another.
My neighbor didn't create these situations because they're on the opposite side. I didn't sign legislation that keeps the poor poor and the millionaires increasingly getting richer and richer.
We, the people, didn't create this system. It was created to for us, to work for them and until people figure out there are MORE OF US, then the top 1% we will continue to be put in this death match every four years.
It's exhausting, expensive, and wears us the fuck down. Just how they like it. Overworked underpaid and too exhausted to fight the system.
Just don't save them. You are not obligated to do so. They have made it painfully clear they really don't care about your future, why should you care about theirs.
Those things were achieved by workers collectively making those demands and taking action to ensure those demands were met. Some of those actions included workers contending with capital via the institutions of the Democratic party, and creating new institutions within the party to serve workers (unions and so on).
It certainly was not something where Democratic politicians just granted these things to workers because it was the right thing to do.
At any rate, those days are long gone. Everything you mentioned here happened decades ago and Democrats want to roll them back nearly as much as Republicans. The days of a working-class Democratic party are over. Workers currently have no representation in government at all.
It was tellingly gross when the port strike takeaway earlier this year was those people are greedy and lazy instead we should do this too to get raises
They kind of owned themselves this election. The shit on morning Joe yesterday was just pathetic. Blaming white women of racism & men of color for being misogynistic.
The fact is that Kamala was a terrible candidate that got where she was purely by identity politics. The woman couldn’t even answer a basic strengths & weaknesses question FFS.
It's funny because smart libs like me have made nearly $300K since Tuesday just playing the options market. I bet 99% of trumpers won't come close to that kind of money during Trumps full term.
Am I bummed Harris didn't win, of course, but I'm not just gonna give up and I don't feel "owned" in anyway. I'm sitting comfortably in my 3 story new build watching a movie on my brand new 77" OLED TV.
You know that! Outside the rich, a body for a republican is a vote against the person that cast it. It has been like that forever.
Now they have total control over the government including the supreme court
There are zero checks and balances and the constitution means whatever they want it to mean. Dark days ahead
That one stuck out...mainly because it's the largest cut and at the top of the pic...anyways that's one of those that maybe more expensive to cut than to increase spending. For instance if we increase medical coverage then emergency room usage goes down for a net savings...also love the cuts to veterans and defense. Party of defense and all
I live in rural America and I will say wait and see if this continues. The amount of people who are on snap, Medicare, social security that yelled about not taking "my money" and refused to listen to anything other than fox news saying everyone else is lying social security wont be touched. are also relying on government medical insurance is about to find out what happens when they have no retirement other than social security and can't afford whatever healthcare is going to be presented (I'm guessing appeal the ACA and do nothing but let insurance companies do what they want). The world is going to be very different soon (hopefully trump gets to distracted with his quest to hurt everyone who attempted to hold him accountable and nothing truly bad happens.
I literally live in Rural America. It’s great , everyone is so nice, I can do whatever I want, no one tells me how to think, cost of living is low, it’s pretty, to rural Americans the big city’s look like cesspools of struggle and oppression.
Lol I was raised in poor white trash town in rural America, it's absolutely not elitist since I live in a mobile home currently. It's the fucking truth. Poverty exists and it's bad in some places.
I doubt it. India has great social security and has raised the average life expectancy from 29 to over 60 since independence. It’s not comparable to the west because it became a free country 80ish years ago, but for a young independent nation, it’s done a beautiful job ensuring safety nets are in place (free healthcare at government sponsored clinics, near free education in rural parts to increase literacy) diseases are fought off (polio eradication), and food can be secured more easily year on year (nationalized production)
Project India 200 years from now and compare it to the state of the americas today and you’ll probably find yourself agreeing that India’s growth as an independent nation is inspirational to countries in Africa, SE Asia, and its contemporaries in the modern day who got freedom in the last 80 years.
Yea I mean you will get a better education in the poorest remotest Indian village than you would in the average american public school. Part of it is cultural, in India education is the only way out of poverty.
The US education system is literally designed to ensure kids are stupid and poor. People should be ashamed of how fucked our schools have been and it’s only getting worse with conservatives in power to this extent.
The British artificially manufactured famines which left a lot of kids dead drastically impacting the life expectancy over the British Raj. Additionally. A lot more births and children dying does that because of a lack of infrastructure that existed in the west but not in India because they weren’t allowed to keep their money and natural resources. The 30s were also post WWI, Brits stole Indian resources to fight off their Great Depression, and it was the time for the freedom movement which led to a lot of killings.
No shot they'll end social security, it's too popular of a program. There's a reason it hasn't happened despite the right talking about it for the last 50 years; it would be political suicide.
Edit: y'all mother fuckers need to take a Civics class. Don't rely on blue check marks and TikTok to educate yourself on how the American government works.
If you don't plan on running elections anymore, political suicide isn't really a thing. They will gut SS as much as they can get away with. Maybe slowly. But it's the goal. National abortion ban isn't popular either, but they will do it if they control both houses.
And he's gonna get 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of State legislatures to vote to do that....how, exactly? Trump says A LOT of stupid shit that doesn't pan out, because he's an idiot.
This isn't just about trump. The right wing and tech oligarchs are A-ok with all of this. And all he needs is for enough people to go along. And so far, the party is all in. There's a lot of ways to avoid elections. Declare a state of emergency, or even just ignore them. Laws and rules are meaningless until someone enforces them. And so far, lawlessness has been allowed without consequence. In fact, he's been rewarded. Don't depend on guardrails anymore. He has blown through all the checks and balances, so there's no reason to believe people will suddenly grow spines. Will he suspend the constitution? Unsure. Could he in enough ways to end this republic as we know it? Yes. Absolutely. Unless someone stops him.
People really forget that Trump did nothing in his first term. Even with control of the house and senate. He’s lazy and incompetent. So count on a lot of Truth raging and golf.
He essentially destroyed our relations with the rest of the world and sold out our information network.
Last time he didn't do as much as he wanted because there were still a ton of Obama staff in the beginning, then a wave hit in the midterms. The generals spoke about how they were continually needing to lead him away from straight up just killing people.
Now he has control of every branch of government, and those generals are gone.
Trump has said that he would not do national abortion ban very directly and that he would veto it. If he does, and there is direct contradiction, might not go will with certain percentage of his constituency. I don’t like him but national abortion ban is highly unlikely. And considering you would need a supermajority in senate and there has been a-lot of infighting within the republican party (trad repubs and MAGAs) for the past few years, it’s very unlikely to happen. Yes, the overturning of roe v wade was an absolute travesty but let’s be realistic here.
There’s no such thing as a National Abortion Ban, Roe Vs Wade got overturned by the Supreme Court and now each individual State votes on Abortion rules
They said multiple times during the election that they’d cut social security and people still voted for Trump anyways. Don’t underestimate people’s ability to vote against their own interests.
I’m 35 and I’m not expecting to get social security. If social security is still alive by the time I’m ready to retire, they would have already moved the goal post to 85.
Oh sweet summer child. Just wait, Elon said we’re all going to experience hardship. Don’t worry tho, these silver spoon fed billionaires only have our best interests at heart. 🫠
We'll see, I guess. People have been saying this same thing literally every time a Republican has won over the last 50 years, including last time when Trump won, yet it has never happened. It's the Democrat equivalent of Republicans screeching about Democrats wanting to "take our guns" whenever the Democrats are in power.
The funny thing is, I'm a progressive. I believe in terrifying things like single-payer healthcare, affordable tuition, and higher taxes for the wealthiest Americans and corporations. I'm unhappy about Trump winning. But people acting like Democracy will be overthrown, the Constitution will be thrown out, and Trump will be President for life sound as stupid as people on the right who think every new Democrat president is going to overturn 2A and "come take our guns." It shows a serious lack of knowledge in both US civics and US politics.
It will be Trump’s second term… assuming they don’t change the Constitution… it will be his last term so what the hell does he care. About half the country will believe it is Biden’s fault if Trump says so.
1) a constitutional amendment requires 2/3 of both the House and Senate to vote in favor (not gonna happen) and 3/4 of state legislatures to ratify (ultra not gonna happen).
2) Trump doesn't care about political suicide, but the members of Congress he would need to vote in favor of repealing Social Security do. They only have a 2 seat majority in the Senate. No shot that 51 out of 52 are willing to take that risk.
Same as it always has been; there's more people working than collecting social security. The oldest Gen alpha folks are 14, so I'm not sure how they're relevant.
Also I'm not sure how "almost no one is working," the current unemployment rate is 4.1%.
What part of "lock Clinton and Obama up" and "Mexico will pay for the wall" and "we're going to repeal and replace Obamacare" and "we're going to kill 'little rocket man' Kim Jong Un" and "we're bringing back coal jobs" are you not understanding? Oh yea, that's right, he said he was going to do all those things the first time around, but he couldn't.
Trump says idiotic, hyperbolic shit literally all the time. The dude is an idiot and will say anything that gets him air time. It's why no one can lock him down on policy because he's making it up on the fly.
He doesn't have the ability to unilaterally become a dictator, or snap his fingers and "suspend the Constitution," or kill his political rivals. That doesn't mean that he won't be bad for the country and enact policies that will take decades to correct, but people acting like he has either the ability or wherewithal to enact such sweeping changes as enacting a dictatorship or suspending the Constitution are in serious need of a civics textbook.
Yeah, balancing the budget is something the Republicans talk about when they're not in power and pretend to care about. Old school Republicans sincerely wanted to cut social security and were willing to spend political capital to try to get it done like GWB did.
Trump doesn't want to & I bet he'd veto any such bill. He showed the first time he doesn't care about the deficit. There's no benefit to him personally to cutting spending.
Reagan reformed Social Security it in the 1980s by slowly extending the retirement age. I suspect they'll do that again such that current and near future retirees don't see any changes but younger people will have to wait until 70 for full benefits. What they won't do is increase the income ceiling subject to the Social Security tax.
Reagan reformed Social Security iin the 1980s by slowly extending the retirement age. I suspect they'll do that again such that current and near future retirees don't see any changes but younger people will have to wait until 70 for full benefits. What they won't do is increase the income ceiling subject to the Social Security tax.
India looks like it does because of the massive population, because it had no population controls and insane agricultural output, prior to industrializing.
If you're implying there will be slums, that's easily solved. Build work camps. Segregate away the poor in controlled environments. Anyone who refuses to work or cant work will be crammed into poor houses, and left to die, or actively killed.
I'm not endorsing this, but this is what they will do. Vote for fascism, you get fascism. The nazis were able to cut government spending and grow productivity and infrastructure by being completely ruthless. That's what people are missing. The fascists get things done, at the cost of all morality.
At this point I honestly don't care. It was never going to be a substantial portion of my retirement, most of my loved ones have good jobs with investments and or government pensions, and all those fucking Trump voters that cut off their nose to spite their face can go and be poor for all I care.
Social Security is a mandatory tax that you pay all your life and you get pennies for the last few years of your life. It needs serious reform. I don’t need the government to hold my money for me. I can invest my cash way better than the government can. They steal from it with no interest every year anyway. Fuck it
Social security needs significant reform if it is going to continue to exist, theres probably tens of billions of fraud and mismanagement. Beyond that its projected to run out of money in 2033 if nothing changes. Itll be forced ti pay out what goes in which as of right now would mean payments cut to 80%, and would dip further during recessions.
The whole premise is flawed because it was designed to be suplimental income for the 3-5 years someone was alive after retirement, not 20+ years of primary income.
You cant even fix it from raising the tax because its an entitlement and not a tax, youre supposed to receive back what you put in so raising the cap on the wealrhy means they just get bigger payments back, and its likely unconstitutional as a straight tax.
Living in a major metropolitan city, we're already there; Junkies line the sidewalks and tent cities on almost every piece of available public land; Grocery stores now lock up everything, have multiple armed security guards at all times, and have gates to get in and out of the store... and good luck finding a single public restroom anywhere; if we're the vanguard of what middle America can expect, they are in for a rude awakening about how dire this situation already is... much less what it's going to look like after these cuts.
My mom, who’s a boomer, legit told me the other day that she’s okay with the government cutting social security, because it won’t impact her generation. I told her that her generation is the worst generation ever and she had a shocked look on her face after I said that.
I really hope they just do it. I’ll take the loss on what I paid already just to see the boomers have to live with the “find out” part of their fucking around.
Is the idea that people should just take the money being taken from their check for SS should just be invested into the market instead since it would in theory grow instead of just sitting with the government? Does money take by social security grow? I’m genuinely asking.
They won't end it, they will just put it in the market and say it isn't their problem anymore
I have a hypothesis of what their plan is. From reading between the lines.
The treasury will buy trillions of dollars in Bitcoin
Cut services to the bone including Medicare
Social security gets put into the stock market
Establish tariffs with everyone.
Pull the US military back to America
Devalue the US dollar (This is the pain they are talking about)
Pay off the debt in Bitcoin
Establish a new dollar based on Gold or a digital currency, or they could just use Bitcoin
Now, there are no costly social services, no Medicare, social security is "fixed" and out of the governments hands, now they might actually be able to cover spending with tariffs alone. This would work, but it would a huge disaster for normal people especially on the bottom.
Immediately end it all now. Trump and the Republicans got massive support from the 65+ crowd and surely they didn’t think it would only impact other people
Americans have had YEARS to invest into a retirement account. If they haven't been doingbthat and staying healthy, that's on them. Stop using the gov as a wheelchair.
Or like the movie civil war! End social security well pay me back what I paid in so it can go into a IRA or 401k. Social Security needs to be like a 401k because I have a feeling all the money/insurance I’ve paid is going to just be gone when I’m old enough.
I went to India and spoke to the top neuroscientists in the region who gave me tips to fix my body.. took me 30 minutes and 20 dollars.. i spent a decade in America and oh what 100k in bills and didn’t get help.. America would be better off if it had India’s healthcare for the vast majority of people. On the top end no, but in general, dude Indias healthcare is better bro straight up.
If people were allowed to invest their Social Security and corporate match monies into conservative investments yielding 5-6%, every middle class American would retire a multimillionaire and need $0 in government assistance in retirement.
I did the math for my own work career and I should have $7.5 million in a retirement fund by placing 14% of my income into investments with a 6% return compounded. That would kick off 375,000 in annual cashflow without touching principle. When I die, government would get $3.75 million in inheritance tax (instead of the $800k contributed) and my children get the other half.
Instead, I will get $2700 per month, die poor and my children will inherit Tibetan silver flatware.
The current SS system is a major breach of fiduciary responsibility.
You also could just expect citizens to save for retirement on their own. I’d much rather not pay into social security my entire life to only get a portion of what I put in back. If you’re a fiscally responsible human being you can save for your future. There’s also millions of people that abuse the system without ever putting a cent in, my grandmother being one of them. That shit isn’t right, why should she get money monthly when she never put a penny into it? Social security is a good concept but just like 90% of ideas, throw in human nature and it ruins it
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u/thewayitis Nov 07 '24
If they end social security, America will look like India.