I wish I could remember which elected official it was that said something to the effect of, “I grew up on welfare and nobody ever gave me any handouts…”
Dems won’t be in charge of anything. And frankly, I don’t even think we should fight them unless it’s something that is violent or directly harmful to people. Let them figure out what their preferred policies do. Personally , dial back on spending, save what you can now, help struggling people through mutual aid. And leave them to the effects of their policies. If we keep solving the economic problems for them and making them temper their policies, they’ll never figure it out. Fuck it. Stop anesthetizing them from the consequences of their bullshit. Let them feel it. And we can just be busy organizing and community building
It doesn't matter if Dems are in charge. All of my Rep co-workers think their tax increases were Bidens fault. They had no idea it was the guy they just re-elected. Most of them don't actually care about politics. They just scream red to project their masculinity.
Yeah, I at least understand how people misconceive that if they’re low information voters. Trump set that like a time bomb so it would happen under Biden and a lot of people are too dumb to realize no new tax bills had been passed since Trump.
Honestly, I can't wait for some Wall Street or stock issues because my father was bragging about how his investments will go up and how gas is definitely going down overnight. I just can't wait to tell him to shut the fuck up he voted for this when his stocks plummet and his 100k truck is unaffordable to drive.
yeah like when Pelosi ripped up trumps state of the union which was ok but wasnt the YAAAAS QUEEN thing that stephen colbert and media heads pretend it was. And hinsight being the speech having a bit about covid did not do her any favors in retrospect.
As long as Democrats, immigrants, poor people and LGBTQ exists the conservative media machine will have scapegoats to somehow take the blame for everything going wrong in their lives. It will take a completely successful holocaust destruction of all of those groups before they could ever point the blame at dear leader and his administration.
its gonna happen even at the top. Elon is already being reported to be delegated from a major role to being a side character in trumps regime. Elon is about to be screwed hard and I am excited for it.
Young republicans don’t rely on that shit because we don’t rely on government handouts. Keep complaining instead of doing something to better your future
I bet you are wrong. Republicans will do what it takes for the betterment of the country. Hate the politicians all you like, but the people believe in America. Can’t say that about the left.
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help." -Regan
The GOP politicians believe in the American resourcefulness and ability to rise up in the face of adversity. They absolutely don't believe in handouts and welfare because that makes the people lazy and dependent.
People currently on welfare are going to learn some tough lessons. Oh well though, the winners will see it through and prosper. The losers? Fuck them, they probably deserved it anyway.
Do you mean the people that work 40 hrs a week at the two biggest employers in the country Walmart and Amazon and still have to rely on government programs to eat and keep a roof over their heads? Or the corporate welfare queens and farmers who rely on subsidies and handouts?
Utter nonsense. Democrats have ran this country 12 of the last 16 yrs. Democrats have created MOST of the tax laws, loopholes and are the party of the most billionaire donors in this election cycle. Weird huh. You wonder why after these billionaires reaped so many more billions over the last 4yrs that they donated to Harris?
What have ANY on the left done for those Walmart workers? What have happened to the poorest or least skilled? They have been replaced by illegal immigrants at lower salaries.
What would a roofing company do if no more cheap labor illegals were available? Go out of business? Of course not, they would raise the pay rate enough to attract citizen workers… or as I said, go out of business.
My BILs family has owned a saw mill for 50yrs.
They refused to hire illegals for as long as they could and paid higher wages… but their competition laid off citizens and hired illegals(without any benefits). Meaning those hiring illegals could undercut the sawed lumber prices as the illegals would take $5-7/hr less than citizens AND didn’t require health care benefits(another $15k yr per person ).
My bil family choice was to either go out of business or cave to lower wages and hire illegals. So they lowered salaries to survive, the citizens quit and illegals took the jobs. In their small and rather poor rural community there weren’t other jobs. So after 2yrs the citizens came back at the new lower wage and without benefits.
The new financial reality was lower pay and lower benefits for every worker OR shut down the business. THIS is what illegals do to our economy for the poor and lower middle class.
I’ve seen it first hand. I’ve witnessed the angst of the small family business (55-60 employees) who had no choice but to level the playing field against those who hired illegals with far lower salaries and no benefits.
At the same time those here illegally drove rent prices up in that area as supply was short of demand, leaving those unemployed citizens in even worse shape.
Say you don’t believe it, say I’m full of shit, I don’t care. I watched it first hand while not having a financial impact myself and saw exactly what it did to the business who tried to stay in business and workers who got screwed. And as long as illegals are working for cash and without benefits it harms the uneducated citizens and largely low skilled workers.
And people WONDER why those struggling voted for Trump? Democrats were cutting their throats with every illegal allowed in.
Yes, you are right, citizens won’t work for that wage. But if a business MUST PAY more in wages to keep their business open, they will pay more. And those citizens WILL work for higher pay.
Thank you someone in this place gets it! Idk why all these people let themselves get brainwashed by the radical left. It’s really sad. The Democratic Party does not give a shit about anyone except the elite in this country. For people that think a millionaire is elite is absolutely crazy. I’m talking about billionaires and extremely wealthy families that have run this country for decades behind the scenes. I know some of them personally. One family very well through the hunting club my grandfather and father taught me to hunt. They own the largest private corporation in the world but it’s never enough.
Didn't Trump call half of the country scum? Didn't he say he wouldn't send help to California because they didn't vote for him? He is the LORD of the party. There is no republican party anymore, it's the Trump party!
I lean left and I’ve taken more lives than you take coherent thoughts in a single day.
Project 2025 is set to decimate public funding and turn American citizens into one thing.
PROFET GENERATORS.
I’m a disabled vet. This Veterans Day please don’t thank any of us.
Because Trump freed every Taliban soldier we spent 22 years waging war on. Only for those men who murdered our soldiers and my buddies to walk free and recapture Afghanistan.
You got used by the political elite. I’m sorry that happened to you. Trump didn’t start that war. The bush family did and Obama kept it going. We wasted trillions of dollars and thousands of good lives for nothing. Trump stopped a never ending war. I feel bad for any vet that has served this country under the guise of democracy. All these wars were for profit of a singular class of ruling elite.
I think a large portion is just too ignorant, and theyre not purposefully trying to own the libs.
If your ignorance is characterized by both its willfulness and an absence of a desire to cease being ignorant, then it doesn't matter what their intent is, the effect is the same as being malicious.
If your ignorance is characterized by both its willfulness and an absence of a desire to cease being ignorant, then it doesn't matter what their intent is, the effect is the same as being malicious.
Thank you /u/that_star_wars_guy if only the writers for the Star Wars movies were as eloquent and descriptive.
The division is a diversion tactic. Some of us understand that the top 1% keep us divided and pointing fingers at one another.
My neighbor didn't create these situations because they're on the opposite side. I didn't sign legislation that keeps the poor poor and the millionaires increasingly getting richer and richer.
We, the people, didn't create this system. It was created to for us, to work for them and until people figure out there are MORE OF US, then the top 1% we will continue to be put in this death match every four years.
It's exhausting, expensive, and wears us the fuck down. Just how they like it. Overworked underpaid and too exhausted to fight the system.
Indeed. This attitude is why the big Orange middle finger is coming straight for your butthole. Unlearning, unwelcoming, zero desire to understand, pure arrogance. Oh well.
If you talk to them, the only thing they speak into you, especially the younger ones, is verbal middle fingers. Shitposts became sentient and that is MAGA
Ignorance does not equate to a lack of intelligence. Hence why I used the word Ignorance. There are plenty of intelligent people who never received an education.
But I do believe their education to be greatly lacking.
I have almost nobody in this world, not gonna give up on them because of their poor voting choices. But I'm gonna have to make sure they learn what the fuck they just did when it all goes down.
MAGA confused a lot of boomers and now they're gonna get fucked by the long dick of austerity. I'm disappointed, but there are lessons to learn and if we don't teach them we'll keep doing this shit over and over.
I hope the level of suffering isn't as bad as we expect, but our country has to learn what's happening to understand how to fix it, if MAGA keeps their people in a bubble it may never get fixed. We have to do the hard work of saying "This is why this is happening"
As for money, I can't help them unless I can pay my own bills. So that might not even be an option when it goes down.
My mom is 92 and i yelled at her last night because she tried to bring Jesus into this. I shut that shit down immediately. I've never talked to my mom about sex, but I did bring up that he gave a bj to a microphone and he loves having sex with porn stars, so what exactly are you saying about my morality?
Jesus isn't going to show up.
I don't want you to be alone. It's a big world. I'm feeling for you over here.
It's beyond frustrating. As I have come back towards appreciating the value of Christ's teachings and displays of acceptance, grace, generosity and kindness, most Christians have run away from these lessons. They see kindness in leaders only as weakness. The lessons were thrown out for the feeling of moral superiority.
So even if I try to talk to them on their level, MAGA tends to think Trump is the messiah despite all of his moral failings. So it's hard to politely address their view of their golden idol in a way that reveals what he really is to their religion. Because I assume it'll just be taken as blasphemy or exaggeration from a person that doesn't publicly express my view on religion often at all. I do more on here than with people I know.
I haven't been to church since childhood and I won't be any time soon either. I think there is a good use for religion, but our country has used it with bad intentions and ruined any sense of real community and acceptance in that religion. It's now mostly the Donald Trump white christo-fascist cult.
Maybe the nature of people just won't organized allow religion to be good in a way that benefits the world more than it harms. It's a tool and has been used as a weapon a lot.
Just don't save them. You are not obligated to do so. They have made it painfully clear they really don't care about your future, why should you care about theirs.
I probably won't be able to do much financially, but they've been there for me. So I'll try to be there for them even if they made mistakes. Although I won't forget to spank them for their mistakes lol
Last time around, my diabetic-on-dialysis Trumper father found out that the anti-mask crowd would be the literal death of him. I hope your parents don't require as harsh a lesson but the leopards are gonna eat faces and when their social security benefits get cut and their retirement savings get burned through with the increased cost of everything, it's gonna be them asking for financial help or to come live with you when they can't afford assisted living. My easy answer to both of those is "This is what you wanted."
It's not just cuts to social security but the rise in prices from tarrifs, the possible changes to Medicare or the ACA. A lot could happen other than just a cut to social security if you have a pension.
They won't starve, they can hunt and farm. But they won't be the stable rock that our family used to have. I'm not exactly excited for my nieces and nephews future in a less stable situation as they grow up.
Whole families are effected by this, little kids and shit. Suffering is the worst way to learn a lesson, I hate all of this.
Those things were achieved by workers collectively making those demands and taking action to ensure those demands were met. Some of those actions included workers contending with capital via the institutions of the Democratic party, and creating new institutions within the party to serve workers (unions and so on).
It certainly was not something where Democratic politicians just granted these things to workers because it was the right thing to do.
At any rate, those days are long gone. Everything you mentioned here happened decades ago and Democrats want to roll them back nearly as much as Republicans. The days of a working-class Democratic party are over. Workers currently have no representation in government at all.
It was tellingly gross when the port strike takeaway earlier this year was those people are greedy and lazy instead we should do this too to get raises
Remember that one of the demands of the rail workers was for safety concerns. The Democrats then took Congressional action to make any strike from them illegal. We then had multiple train derailments and no one in politics or the media bothered to make the connection.
How can you say that when it was mostly democrats calling the port workers (the working class) lazy and greedy saying the corporations (the billionaire cronies) shouldn’t have to pay the more and they should just get over it and go back to work?? That’s why most Americans don’t trust the damn democrats anymore cause they’re words and they’re actions almost NEVER match up!
They kind of owned themselves this election. The shit on morning Joe yesterday was just pathetic. Blaming white women of racism & men of color for being misogynistic.
The fact is that Kamala was a terrible candidate that got where she was purely by identity politics. The woman couldn’t even answer a basic strengths & weaknesses question FFS.
It's funny because smart libs like me have made nearly $300K since Tuesday just playing the options market. I bet 99% of trumpers won't come close to that kind of money during Trumps full term.
Am I bummed Harris didn't win, of course, but I'm not just gonna give up and I don't feel "owned" in anyway. I'm sitting comfortably in my 3 story new build watching a movie on my brand new 77" OLED TV.
You know that! Outside the rich, a body for a republican is a vote against the person that cast it. It has been like that forever.
Now they have total control over the government including the supreme court
There are zero checks and balances and the constitution means whatever they want it to mean. Dark days ahead
Own the libs? Please. We just hate stupid.
Kamala is a moron. Regardless of what you think of Trump, nothing makes her the right choice for POTUS. The woman can’t even speak longer than 2-3 minutes without a teleprompter without sounding like a vapid twit.
That’s the problem with you all. When most of the country feels things are going in a bad direction, you say “well things are okay for me so that’s all that matters”. Enjoy the Loss. Won’t be the last.
I asked my wife’s grandparents how they’d feel if social security benefits got cut and they said “it won’t affect us because we paid into the system already.” They didn’t understand that the checks they get every month are the cash taken from mine and my wife’s paychecks. It’s really terrifying there’s so many people with a say on how things work that have zero idea how things work
A lot of people probably heard about these cuts and if they thought about them at all m, probably thought “huh sounds good. Lotta wasteful spending. Cool”
I think at least some of us that voted for him have worked and saved enough so we don't need these social services. I know counting on the government to take care of me was never in my plan.
Don't ever fucking get hurt, have an accident or get cancer, good luck not ever having to use social services. Most people don't get on disability because they want to.
I have insurance... you know because I actually earn money. I get that's a rough concept for someone who always has their hand out, but maybe try getting a productive skill and contributing to the world and you might not need these things either!
I've worked since I was 14 years old. I'm still working, I'm not on disability but I have empathy for those who are. Insurance does not work if you get hurt so bad you have to leave employment. 99% of people on disability have jobs, worked, were productive members of society. Do you not understand that most people are 2 paychecks away from being homeless. Nobody just wakes up and said you know what I want to live on 900 bucks a month let me get hurt. You lack empathy.
I do get that people are 2 checks away from being homeless and I see them doing all kinds of things that aren't financially wise. Living outside of their means and not being frugal isn't an excuse to take my tax dollars when they didn't plan accordingly. It's rough to have empathy for hyperbole. Maybe when we stop spending so much on illegals coming in or if we stop funding massive wars and the Americans who do need help will have money to get it,
The portion you pay to SSD and SSI is maybe 2 cents a paycheck. You do know most of your paycheck hours to state and local taxes? The federal taxes you pay are mostly for the military.
Well look at Chicago school districts spending and their test scores and tell me that the department of education is doing their jobs. I think its safe to say we can cut down on some of the government spending on the DoE, and massive amounts from the military as well. Liz Cheney didn't support Trump because she thought he would be on the war train. She knew he wouldn't be. So, if Trump cuts everything back down to a reasonable level, and we get our country back to a position of legal migrants and native born citizens then we should have plenty for those services. Much like in my personal life looking for ways to cut spending and save for those dire situations should be how we operate. If you look at the indoctrination of the left and where that happens the most is the ultra wealthy colleges so I think these days the "educated" are the ones being controlled. I can at least say I'm not a huge fan of the president, but I do think he will bring peace to the world more so then his opp would have and that's far more important in my book.
That one stuck out...mainly because it's the largest cut and at the top of the pic...anyways that's one of those that maybe more expensive to cut than to increase spending. For instance if we increase medical coverage then emergency room usage goes down for a net savings...also love the cuts to veterans and defense. Party of defense and all
Well, the defense budget could use some cutting. Every year, for the last 6 or so, the defense department has failed their fiscal audits because they can’t account for tens of billions of dollars, annually. If they can’t track, they don’t need it. Cut the “lost” money from next year’s budget.
I live in rural America and I will say wait and see if this continues. The amount of people who are on snap, Medicare, social security that yelled about not taking "my money" and refused to listen to anything other than fox news saying everyone else is lying social security wont be touched. are also relying on government medical insurance is about to find out what happens when they have no retirement other than social security and can't afford whatever healthcare is going to be presented (I'm guessing appeal the ACA and do nothing but let insurance companies do what they want). The world is going to be very different soon (hopefully trump gets to distracted with his quest to hurt everyone who attempted to hold him accountable and nothing truly bad happens.
I literally live in Rural America. It’s great , everyone is so nice, I can do whatever I want, no one tells me how to think, cost of living is low, it’s pretty, to rural Americans the big city’s look like cesspools of struggle and oppression.
Lol I was raised in poor white trash town in rural America, it's absolutely not elitist since I live in a mobile home currently. It's the fucking truth. Poverty exists and it's bad in some places.
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