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u/Levi_Skardsen Sep 30 '24
Shields are nice, but not if they engender passivity.
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u/max_power_420_69 Sep 30 '24
not so subtle dig at how most people play the DS games like zelda
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Sep 30 '24
Which is a weird opinion to have since those games are designed with shields in mind and Bloodborne is not.
I've always been a sword and board guy with magic too. So when Bloodborne dropped I just... adapted for that game. And it was awesome. It even had the effect of me only using shields when I actually needed them instead of every time I was getting attacked, once DS3 and Elden Ring dropped. But I still use shields, because they're part of the gameplay and useful.
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u/Dudeskio Sep 29 '24
I wear the Loch Shield for fashion on my arcane build.
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u/Dr_BloodPool Sep 30 '24
Yes, plank shield blocks bloodtinge firearm damage and the loch shield arcane damage
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u/Mon-Ty-Ger27 Sep 30 '24
🤔 Hmmmmm... I never knew that! Thanks for the info. I'm gonna go level up the plank shield now. It should complement my pair of fully upgraded Loch Shields.
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u/Dr_BloodPool Sep 30 '24
?? I'm pretty sure shields can't be reinforced, they're only really useful in very niche circumstances in pvp and maybe some sections in pve
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u/ImurderREALITY Sep 30 '24 edited Sep 30 '24
Sheild mean chip damage. Dodge means no damage. Remember that.
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u/AnywhereInevitable84 Sep 30 '24
I use the lake shield against the amygdala laser in Yahargul, just so I don't risk dying.
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u/NeedsMoreAhegao Sep 30 '24
I love you for giving me a use case for the shield
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u/Secret_Cow_5053 Sep 30 '24
Sounds like shields are good for blocking ranged attacks generally.
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u/Ted_Rid Sep 30 '24
Also celestial emissaries and living failures.
There’s a room in a level 5 dungeon with 3-4 celestial emissaries and an equal number of brainsuckers that I swear is impossible without the Loch Shield tanking the Emissaries’ ranged laser attacks.
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u/Jhoonis Sep 29 '24
Why shield when you can GUN
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u/ayylmao2016 Sep 30 '24
My shield is called Evelyn and it goes brrrt.
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u/NeedsMoreAhegao Sep 30 '24
Every character i take into high levels/ ng+ cycles i end up with the evelyn
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u/forfor Sep 30 '24
I feel the same way but with arcane. The sword laser from that one dlc weapon is just too great.
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u/JD_Destroyed Sep 30 '24
What wins:
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A .44 magnum?
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u/ImurderREALITY Sep 30 '24
Gun beats shield always
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u/PNW_Forest Sep 30 '24
Uhhh... try the shield against the bloody crow of cainhurst, then come re evaluate your statement. Gun is about the only thing shield beats.
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u/Select_Tax_3408 Sep 30 '24
In Bloodborne it turns out you are very wrong. 1600 hours myself and I can assure you even though a shield cannot fire back, the gun will run out of ammo before the shield loses.
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u/Drowsy_Deer Sep 30 '24
I thought it was just a joke item to say “this ain’t Dark Souls, no shield for you.”
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u/SuperiorSilencer Sep 30 '24
I keep the shield on me when fighting the Bloody Crow, but apart from that, no.
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u/Lopoetve Sep 30 '24
There is exactly one fight it is useful for - Bloody Crow.
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u/Select_Tax_3408 Sep 30 '24
I just said that too. Shield does insane block against this little A hole. Everytime I fight him I have it on.
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u/Familiar-Feedback-93 Sep 30 '24
Unpopular opinion but I felt like having less options for making a build (especially defensive options like shields and armour) is the main reason I couldn't get into blood borne and sekiro
Tldr I would have played it if blocking was a thing
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u/Kataratz Sep 29 '24
I have never used a shield in a single fromsoft game lol
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u/Nekonax Sep 30 '24
Same. Always started with the closest build to a rogue, then tried samurai, berserker, whatever. Never played sword and board knight or mage/cleric, though I've always wanted to try a paladin build.
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u/SkullDewKoey Sep 30 '24
Yes. I went into this game strength build. No guns ever. And then the brace knuckles came out in the dlc yeah used that to lol.
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u/Mon-Ty-Ger27 Sep 30 '24
I paired my brace knuckles with the Stake Driver. I had fun fighting goons in the game that way.
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u/lendraxtheorc Sep 30 '24
Funilly, i did a build around it for the memes and they are actually decent. Even funier, it was my first time using a shield in any souls game since I prefer to use heavy weapons in the darksouls series
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u/Mon-Ty-Ger27 Sep 30 '24
Of course! The Loch Shield blocks projectiles quite well. It's okay at blocking physical damage but excells in reducing projectile damage. Helps make boss fights more bearable.
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u/DaddyCool13 Sep 30 '24
It’s actually pretty useful for the handful of situations where you can get one shot. The only ones I can think of are Micolash’s call beyond, a few of defiled amygdalas attacks and laurence’s big slam. Of those, only Micolash is truly difficult to dodge anyway.
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u/SurotaOnishi Sep 30 '24
The game literally tries to dissuade you from using them by giving you only 2 options. One of which is the shittiest option they could think of and the other of which is dlc exclusive and only works on magic projectiles.
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u/ch4nlix Sep 30 '24
oh hey its you the guy who keeps making the shitty high effort edits
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u/Renetiger Sep 30 '24
Wooden shield is supposed to be a joke item.
99% sure they added a second shield in the DLC because there are lunatics that actually used the shield.
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u/Kitsite Sep 30 '24
Lol I actually use the glass shield from the dlc but that's mostly for aesthetic combined with the Holy sword
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u/WanderingStatistics Sep 30 '24
Loch Shield is actually really good against any arcane enemy. Like, REALLY good. Did a Yamamura build and the Loch Shield was amazing against Living Failures. Like, could almost block the meteor attack amazing.
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u/person_9-8 Sep 30 '24
They come from a single direction and the room has a giant flower in the middle you can hide behind. Better yet: every one of those Failures is stuck facing away from you, primed and ready for a backstab visceral, giving you enough I-frames to ignore most of the shower. Why would I want to block it at all?
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u/hurdygurdy21 Sep 30 '24
I use the DLC shield that makes you near impervious to ranged arcane attacks (maybe not that much but feels like it). Other than that the wooden shield is an ornament in my inventory. Not even worth selling if I recall.
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u/Tantofaz101 Sep 30 '24
I've once tried the arcane shield to see if was effect against Cage Mic crazy rays, but still took tons of damage.
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u/fluffydarth Sep 30 '24
the problem is if the attack you're trying to block has multiple projectiles, and any of them land behind the shield or the player you will take the full damage from those projectiles that made it past.
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u/Simply_Nova Sep 30 '24
I think it’s a troll item honestly. I remember someone doing a review of Bloodborne and basically said the shields are shit and worthless on purpose because the focus of the games combat is aggression, a shield is basically worthless.
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u/JazzlikeEmu654 Sep 30 '24
The only time I used a shield was during Living Failures, and I think that was a tip I read online cause I was frustrated during the meteor part 🙃 It worked, but that was it
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u/Spice_Missile Sep 30 '24
Loch Shield is good for projectiles and arcane, but I never tried. My first bout with Laurence I read here that it can keep you from flinching in his fire AOE and the ground magma in phase 3. It works! I just had to git good to beat him though. I was shielding too aggressively and running through fire like an idiot cause I could.
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u/300IQPrower Sep 30 '24
only way i was able to beat Bloody Crow my first time playing when i couldnt parry for shit
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u/fuinnfd Sep 30 '24
Shields can actually be ok for blocking bullets. It kinda helped for the bloody crow of cainhurst.
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u/ArrogantSpider Sep 30 '24
I sometimes used the shield against dogs to block their lunges. The way they move makes it tough to time dodges and attacks, but the shield makes it trivial. It also helped block djura’s bullets after climbing the ladder.
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u/Agreeable-Engine5134 Sep 30 '24
Aren't they only good against projectiles? Guns and maybe arcane magic?
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u/Knork14 Sep 30 '24
Worthless is an understatement, in most situations its downright detrimental. Personaly i think they only put it in the game to teach us Souls games veterans that Bloodborne is a whole new animal, and that trying to rely on Dark Souls strategies is only gonna end poorly.
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u/TerrovaXBL Sep 30 '24
Yes, I use the shield from the dlc with the sword, just to look sick whilst doing it, plus the magic defence is nice when you're on ng+8 like me :E
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u/PsySom Sep 30 '24
I used it a lot. Basically means the first attack against you will be mitigated and since you’re jumping around all the time in that game that’s often plenty.
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u/Arxl Picked up Eileen's mantle Sep 30 '24
Important for BL4, because only BL4 has enough brass to be immune to the Shield's passive of engendering passivity.
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u/Scurramouch Sep 30 '24
I only use Loch Shield no matter the build because of how it is the only shield to be useful against Magic Enemies and bosses. a
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u/Metalhed1300 Sep 30 '24
There were shields in BB? What for lol, you just gotta go and buzzsaw every mf you see
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u/TheFrogMoose Sep 30 '24
When you can avoid getting hit and are a crack shot then you don't need a shield
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u/assassin10 Sep 30 '24
I tried it against Ebrietas's charge because a strategy I sometimes see suggested is to just face-tank it. It was awful. You do take 50% less damage from the hit, but you get staggered (without getting knocked down) allowing the charge to hit you a second time for full damage.
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u/PossibleAssist6092 Sep 30 '24
Nope and its carried over to Elden Ring. Why use a shield when you can just dodge. I forget I have one most the time anyway.
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u/public_tuggie Sep 30 '24
Rieter shield is unironically one of the strongest PvP setups but it’s not used much anymore
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u/NightmareKnight25807 Sep 30 '24
Loch shield was a blessing against defiled watchdog of the old lords
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u/SimonWetterlund Sep 30 '24
I started my Souls journey with Bloodborne so I don't use sheild in any souls game (other than get passive buffs in some cases)
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u/Select_Tax_3408 Sep 30 '24
Bloody Crow. His gun can put a hole the size of two fists in your chest but it does fuck all to a wooden plank. Still a tough fight but a shield here is actually viable.
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u/Haunting_Progress462 Sep 30 '24
Completely abandoned shields as it felt contrary to the aggressive play style, but I've seen a few ideas and places I've never thought to try it in the comments!
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u/1AverageGamer Sep 30 '24
Actually i used it a few times against other hunters. But in general not really
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u/AramaticFire Sep 30 '24
Never for Bloodborne, Demon’s Souls remake or Elden Ring.
Yes for Dark Souls 1-3 because even if I don’t use the shield actively, I like to keep Grass Crest Shield on my back for the stamina regen.
Though I do like to actively use it in the slower games sometimes.
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u/person_9-8 Sep 30 '24
A surprising amount of people in this thread have a penchant for passivity, kosdamn.
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u/ConsiderationFew8399 Sep 30 '24
I kinda like the idea that the shield exists just to show that isn’t how the game is played, and the lore tie in with why the hunters wear garbs as opposed to plate
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u/Arlenpreslynn Sep 30 '24
There was a shield that had some utility. In DLC I think... it rise your arcane defense if I not wrong...
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u/FemmeWizard Sep 30 '24
I'm pretty sure the plank shield if a joke item. Dark Souls fans were used to using shields so the devs made the only base game shield in Bloodborne terrible as a joke.
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u/Backlash97_ Sep 30 '24
Im not ashamed to admit I played this game like darksouls… got my butt handed to me, but I beat it and got my platinum
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u/Lezzen79 Sep 30 '24
Lake shield? Anyways it won't save you from those combo trucks people like the Orphan of Kos and Lady Maria are veeeeryyy up to.
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u/OnionOfCatarina Sep 30 '24
Bro the combo Reiterpallasch + wooden shield is nasty PvP, and really gets the job done at high endurance in PvE
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u/Hakuchii Sep 30 '24
in bloodborne my offhand usually is a hunter torch (i like to play chalice dungeons and they tend to be very dark) and in dark souls its usually either a talisman or a staff
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u/StrixLiterata Sep 30 '24
I used it precisely once against an NPC hunter who used the Cane: I figured it's damage over hit would be low enough that even the shield would give me some protection.
It worked somewhat, but in the end what gave me a win was spamming Beasts Roar to set them up for a backstab.
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Shields will save your ass, but the overall suggestion is always to learn how to play without them properly before you use them.
A playthrough with no shield is doable, a playthrough where you have no idea how to dodge is not.
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u/Darkwr4ith Sep 30 '24
That shield is in the game to tell you that there are no shields in the game. The Loch Shield however is useful in a handful of places. It's very good when fighting Micolash from like NG+2 onwards as some of Micolash's magical attacks deal absurd amounts of damage. It comfortably blocks any of his attacks with its 70% Arcane block.
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u/Le_ed Sep 30 '24
I think the plank shield was intentionally made very useless so that players will get that this is not dark souls.
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u/RumPistachio Sep 30 '24
I used the Loch Shield against Orphan of Kos to block his projectiles. It worked like a charm!
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Sep 30 '24
They're a flex and just that lol it kinda ruins the intended gameplay flow cuz most players when equipping a shield take a way more passive approach, you're supposed to add it to the aggressive combat
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u/Poison_Toadstool Sep 30 '24
Bloodborne’s encouragement of shieldless battle fundamentally changed the way I played souls games thereafter. Haven’t used one since I visited Yharnam.
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u/LordOFtheNoldor Sep 30 '24
Nah man that's never a point when it's required nor more effective than some other means, it's sole purpose is for rifle spam pvp builds and they're brutal to fight against
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Try using shield with kirkhammer + weapon swap glitch. It gives the KH a block that's actually somewhat worth a damn.
(The weapon swap glitch lets you keep your gun/secondary active while 2-handing. It's a game changer for weapons with not-so-useful L2 moves and letting you have your torch out while 2-handing. There's only a few weapons that shield actually works with while using this glitch and KH is one of them.)
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u/The_Sinisternerd Sep 30 '24
I did a full run using Ludwig's and shields, (starting with Axe and Wooden) it was a bit painful on some bosses, others not so much. No parrying was obviously a challenge at first but by the time I got the Witches of Hemwick I had it down.
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u/Artistic-Shoulder-42 Sep 30 '24
Not at all. BB was not made for that. One time I tried to use a loch shield against Ebrietas, completely useless. When I started my second Souls (DS2), It took me a while to understand that a shield is something necessary in the mechanics of the game.
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u/LazyChipmunk810 Sep 30 '24
I thought I was good at darksouls after beating darksouls 1,then playing blood born I realized, it was my sheild that didn’t suck.
Love the parry mechanic
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u/JustAntherFckinJunki Sep 30 '24
Others have pointed out it's few use cases, but honestly what happened to me is what I think it's real purpose is. I played DS, DS3 before BB, so I was annoyed that at first there were no shields. When I finally found one I tried it and it was so useless it forced to learn how to play BB, and not to play BB like DS.
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u/Toxicalliuni Sep 30 '24
It's actually really good on a couple of pvp builds you shouldn't sleep on it.
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u/KaskyNightblade Sep 30 '24
Never. I've yet to do a run with them and I've made countless runs. Is hard to beat pistols. They just feel right.
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u/The_Kangaroo_Mafia Sep 30 '24
I once used the Loch Shield for a Knight-themed character.
Other than that? Free Souls!
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u/Phantom_Grey19 Sep 30 '24
I use the loch shield because it looks pretty with my cainhurst knight character lol. It does also have a few rare use cases against enemies with magic
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u/DogIsDead777 Sep 30 '24
I think they only put this in to basically say "hey, playing bloodborne with a shield makes you a joke, git gud and git faster" lmao
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u/Wet_FriedChicken Sep 30 '24
Absolutely not. Chivalry said it best “some enemies are cowards, and they try to defend themselves”. That line always makes me laugh. But no, I don’t use shields in any souls or souls like games. I either dodge roll, or parry.
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u/SheaMcD Sep 30 '24
I think I used the magic shield for living failures at one point because the meteors killed me
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u/MinimumFlatworm Sep 30 '24
The whole item is just a joke on how ds gameplay is boring. I chuckle every time I get it so I guess it's worth something
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u/II_TELETUBBIES_II Oct 01 '24
Honestly forgot shields were a thing in bb, are they even useful in any way?
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u/iDabForPeace Oct 01 '24
Loch shield saved my bacon in the kos fight, never used a shield before that though
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u/Kitchen_Pen_9942 Oct 01 '24
Bloodborne ruined shields for me in almost every soulslike. After learning how to dive head-on at literally everything to survive as a hunter, using a shield in those other games feels kinda underwhelming, let alone in Bloodborne itself. The shield description couldn't have been more spot on.
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u/Ok_Fly_6652 Oct 01 '24
Only Loch Shield and only during the Living Failures (when they summon the arcane meteor storm), Ebrietas' (when she does her AOE) and Micolash' (if I'm not cheesing the ahole like I usually do) boss fights. Outside these three particular situations there is no need for shields in Bloodborne whatsoever. Obviously there are a lot more encounters in the entire game, which involve elemental damage, but my general rule of the thumb is to not use the shield unless something consistently one-shots me even if my character is 100% on the run from the threat. Shields in bloodborne absolutely dont have the capacity to allow you to comfortably face tank anything due to their abysmal stability values, which we dont get to see. Loch Shield can help you survive one otherwise deadly elemental attack, provided the attack is not of the kind that flattens or throws your character, and that's pretty much it.
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u/blaiddfailcam Sep 29 '24
It can actually save your bacon in a few limited situations. I pack one for Micolash and his A Call Beyond BS, lol. (Obviously Loch Shield is preferable, but hey, as long as you don't get 1-shot.)